On Jan 8, 12:11*am, Red wrote:
http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt...=ap-d8tvsnt80&...
This article is about crime on the coast in northern Mexico against
Americans and other foreigners. Was wondering if the cruising grounds of
Mexico has any of these problems. Anyone been there that can shed a
little light?
Red

Mexico lives on it's tourist trade. You as a Gringo may get smaller
meals, crappy service, and be way over charge for everything. You will
have to pass out money to every person wearing a uniform but it's not
quite criminal, it the way things are done.

Just visited Isla Mujeres, Cancun, and skirted the whole east coast.

Fuel is cheap..but not even the Mexican customs will accept Mexican
Peso's, they want US greenbacks. Bring 20 copies of everything!!!!!!

Joe

On Jan 10, 8:42 am, Joe wrote:
On Jan 8, 12:11 am, Red wrote:

http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt...=ap-d8tvsnt80&...
This article is about crime on the coast in northern Mexico against
Americans and other foreigners. Was wondering if the cruising grounds of
Mexico has any of these problems. Anyone been there that can shed a
little light?
Red

Mexico lives on it's tourist trade. You as a Gringo may get smaller
meals, crappy service, and be way over charge for everything. You will
have to pass out money to every person wearing a uniform but it's not
quite criminal, it the way things are done.

Just visited Isla Mujeres, Cancun, and skirted the whole east coast.

Fuel is cheap..but not even the Mexican customs will accept Mexican
Peso's, they want US greenbacks. Bring 20 copies of everything!!!!!!

Joe

Yes, the Mexicans have a strange way of doing things. I have being
there several times but after all it's their country and since we took
half of it during the Mexican American war, they feel very particular
about the way we think we should have special treatment because we are
"AMERICANS". We took half their country, the same way Saddam Hussein
took Kuwait, the only difference is that there was no third country to
push us back! Read our history.

http://www.historyguy.com/Mexican-American_War.html

"By the time President Polk came to office in 1845, an idea called
"Manifest Destiny" had taken root among the American people, and the
new occupant of the White House was a firm believer in the idea of
expansion. The belief that the U.S. basically had a God-given right to
occupy and "civilize" the whole continent gained favor as more and
more Americans settled the western lands"

wrote:

"By the time President Polk came to office in 1845, an idea called
"Manifest Destiny" had taken root among the American people, and the
new occupant of the White House was a firm believer in the idea of
expansion. The belief that the U.S. basically had a God-given right to
occupy and "civilize" the whole continent gained favor as more and
more Americans settled the western lands"

Unfortunately, little has changed, except maybe to expand the idea. Now
the US has a God-given mandate to "democratize" the planet.

Cheers
Marty

On 2008-02-10 00:58:10 -0500, Marty said:

Now the US has a God-given mandate to "democratize" the planet.

Cheers
Marty

Sorry, but though I may disagree with many/most "US" mandates, the few
times that un-representative (the US is a republic, not a democracy)
governments have advanced individual initiative are all due to the
despot being a "really good guy": less interested in accumulating
personal power and money than actually advancing the rest of the
country. They might have been more comfortable in established republics.

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On Feb 9, 11:19*pm, wrote:
On Jan 10, 8:42 am, Joe wrote:





On Jan 8, 12:11 am, Red wrote:

http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt...=ap-d8tvsnt80&....
This article is about crime on the coast in northern Mexico against
Americans and other foreigners. Was wondering if the cruising grounds of
Mexico has any of these problems. Anyone been there that can shed a
little light?
Red

Mexico lives on it's tourist trade. You as a Gringo may get smaller
meals, crappy service, and be way over charge for everything. You will
have to pass out money to every person wearing a uniform but it's not
quite criminal, it the way things are done.

*Just visited Isla Mujeres, Cancun, and skirted the whole east coast.

*Fuel is cheap..but not even the Mexican customs will accept Mexican
Peso's, they want US greenbacks. Bring 20 copies of everything!!!!!!

Joe

Yes, the Mexicans have a strange way of doing things. *I have being
there several times but after all it's their country and since we took
half of it during the Mexican American war, they feel very particular
about the way we think we should have special treatment because we are
"AMERICANS".

Who's asking for special treatment? I just wanted to be treated like
every other tourist or person buying a meal in a resturant. I'm
polite, respectful and willing to pay cash. It was quite clear that
because you are Americans you get the special crappy service reserved
for Americans. And it's not like I snuck over the border and was
looking to take work away from any Mexican. It's not like I did not
pay port fees, immigration bribes, customs tarriffs and inflated
Gringo prices. For pleasure and spending dollars I'll go elsewhere
where there is not an attitude problem.

The best advice to visit Mexico by boat is do all your own cooking,
pay a local guide to buy everything for you. Or be willing to pay more
for less of everything.

*We took half their country, the same way Saddam Hussein
took Kuwait, the only difference is that there was no third country to
push us back! *Read our history.

Remember the Alamo...
http://www.thealamo.org/


Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
...
Who's asking for special treatment? I just wanted to be treated like
every other tourist or person buying a meal in a resturant. I'm
polite, respectful and willing to pay cash. It was quite clear that
because you are Americans you get the special crappy service reserved
for Americans. And it's not like I snuck over the border and was
looking to take work away from any Mexican. It's not like I did not
pay port fees, immigration bribes, customs tarriffs and inflated
Gringo prices. For pleasure and spending dollars I'll go elsewhere
where there is not an attitude problem.


Joe, I've never been treated as you describe and I've been going to Mex. for
30 years.

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On Feb 10, 12:14*pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

...

Who's asking for special treatment? I just wanted to be treated like
every other tourist or person buying a meal in a resturant. I'm
polite, respectful and willing to pay cash. It was quite clear that
because you are Americans you get the special crappy service reserved
for Americans. And it's not like I snuck over the border and was
looking to take work away from any Mexican. It's not like I did not
pay port fees, immigration bribes, customs tarriffs and inflated
Gringo prices. For pleasure and spending dollars I'll go elsewhere
where there is not an attitude problem.

Joe, I've never been treated as you describe and I've been going to Mex. for
30 years.

--
"j" ganz

Well good for you Johnathan. I've been going there a long time as
well, with my first trip in 1972. Many trips in the 80's and then
worked for Pemex in the bay of De Campche for a couple years in the
early 90's. I enjoyed every trip until my last one. The food sucked,
the Marinas sucked, and the officals were a pain in the ass and failed
to provide a proper Zarpa when departing mexican waters. I put off
going to Vera Cruz because that week a drug gang cut the head off a
federal trooper and left it in his barracks. My broker was afraid we
might be mistaken for drug runners and everyone might be murdered. You
in Mexico.

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
...
On Feb 10, 12:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

...

Who's asking for special treatment? I just wanted to be treated like
every other tourist or person buying a meal in a resturant. I'm
polite, respectful and willing to pay cash. It was quite clear that
because you are Americans you get the special crappy service reserved
for Americans. And it's not like I snuck over the border and was
looking to take work away from any Mexican. It's not like I did not
pay port fees, immigration bribes, customs tarriffs and inflated
Gringo prices. For pleasure and spending dollars I'll go elsewhere
where there is not an attitude problem.

Joe, I've never been treated as you describe and I've been going to Mex.
for
30 years.

--
"j" ganz

Well good for you Johnathan. I've been going there a long time as
well, with my first trip in 1972. Many trips in the 80's and then
worked for Pemex in the bay of De Campche for a couple years in the
early 90's. I enjoyed every trip until my last one. The food sucked,
the Marinas sucked, and the officals were a pain in the ass and failed
to provide a proper Zarpa when departing mexican waters. I put off
going to Vera Cruz because that week a drug gang cut the head off a
federal trooper and left it in his barracks. My broker was afraid we
might be mistaken for drug runners and everyone might be murdered. You
in Mexico.

Joe


I've experienced the same thing in LA...

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wrote in message
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:30:32 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message
...
On Feb 10, 12:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

...

Who's asking for special treatment? I just wanted to be treated like
every other tourist or person buying a meal in a resturant. I'm
polite, respectful and willing to pay cash. It was quite clear that
because you are Americans you get the special crappy service reserved
for Americans. And it's not like I snuck over the border and was
looking to take work away from any Mexican. It's not like I did not
pay port fees, immigration bribes, customs tarriffs and inflated
Gringo prices. For pleasure and spending dollars I'll go elsewhere
where there is not an attitude problem.

Joe, I've never been treated as you describe and I've been going to Mex.
for
30 years.

--
"j" ganz

Well good for you Johnathan. I've been going there a long time as
well, with my first trip in 1972. Many trips in the 80's and then
worked for Pemex in the bay of De Campche for a couple years in the
early 90's. I enjoyed every trip until my last one. The food sucked,
the Marinas sucked, and the officals were a pain in the ass and failed
to provide a proper Zarpa when departing mexican waters. I put off
going to Vera Cruz because that week a drug gang cut the head off a
federal trooper and left it in his barracks. My broker was afraid we
might be mistaken for drug runners and everyone might be murdered. You
in Mexico.

Joe


I've experienced the same thing in LA...

What did you use to stick your head back on?




Monster glue of course!


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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 21:19:05 -0800 (PST), said:

http://www.historyguy.com/Mexican-American_War.html

Very interesting. One must be cautious about anything written by
historians
in academia these days, because their draft-dodging history gives them a
perspective influenced by that personal history.

Seems to me the parallel missing but begging for mention in the article is
the history of the Balkans following collapse of the Ottoman Empire.


By that logic, everyone should be cautious about anyone, since everyone has
a history that gives them a perspective influenced by their personal
history. So, basically you're saying trust no one. I support that.

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