On Jan 2, 7:30*pm, "Scotty" wrote:

You're wrong Bob.


Wrong about what?

I dont think I all that off on the How to be a Captain part. Or was
joe that guy who bragged bout being a crewboat oerator in the
80s....?
Seems the obivious is painfully appearent.
Bob

On 2008-01-02 17:56:52 -0500, Joe said:

Who said it's over Doug?, as soon as I have water to float a friends
trawler were off to beat the salvors and get my boat and coffee. Roger
is right, we had 35 fters that took out a wheelhouse window and cracked
one side of the wheelhouse. Noaa was off by 30kts of wind and 15-20 ft
seas. The vid the USCG took were mid day as things laid down (25ft).
The USCG refused to only evac terry she was injured , sprain ankle, and
skipper and they said worse weather that night. I left the genny
running and deployed a drouge first, went to an anchor then rigged a
spare main sail as a para that finally held us to a 6kt drift.

I'll update you all as soon as I get my boat back.

Please do. Really hope you can retrieve her.

Do I properly assume you'll be modifying the wheelhouse a bit before
you do that trip again? ;-)

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On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:14:25 -0800, armchair Admiral Bob wrote:

snip

Why not share some of your no doubt well-intentioned concern with Joe
directly...you big-mouthed arsehole.

*plonk*

wrote in :

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5422694.html

I always get a kick out of the media sniping about the cost of the rescue
in all of this. The cost of the rescue was Zero because we ALREADY planned
to pay the crew, maintenance, CG budget even if they never rescued Joe. If
they hadn't rescued anyone, they would have burned the fuel and airframe
times doing PRACTICE rescues, anyways, the public never thinks about. The
cost of Joe's rescue, was .0000000000125% of the cost of rescuing ONE Iraqi
from his government torturers. The media doesn't start mentioning that
until well after the 50 billion dollar mark in war expenditures, after the
war is mostly over, because they have to have SOME credibility in the
middle of the DoD propaganda campaign they've been running since 9/11

"It's all HIS fault and HE should pay!"

He did....MANY times over in a lifetime of taxes.

Larry
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On Jan 3, 6:10*am, "mr.b" wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:14:25 -0800, armchair Admiral Bob wrote:

snip

Why not share some of your no doubt well-intentioned concern with Joe
directly...you big-mouthed arsehole.

*plonk*



Storm brewed trouble for trio
Texans have 5 tons of coffee afloat in the Gulf
By Ruth Rendon
Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle


"...To make matters worse, Terry Butcher, 50, .....does not swim and
was terrified of getting into the Gulf waters even with a life
jacket...."


Now why would a NON swimmer and "...terrified..." of the water want to
sail a boat? I met a bunch of coon asses in the GOM. They worked
offshore simply cause thats the only place they could make more than
minimum wage. No skills... no education... no love of the water....
Even met a coon ass in dive school who wanted to be a oil patch diver
cause day make da good money. Problem was mr. Bima couldnt swim. Kinda
funny watching him peddle that bike underwater going no where. He was
scared of the water too.

But your right. I dont know the man nor the details. Just the painful
obvious few bits of information. Cops like to say, "consistant
with...." as in, "the facts are consistant with......"

Dave wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:23:10 +0000, Larry said:


The cost of the rescue was Zero because we ALREADY planned
to pay the crew, maintenance, CG budget even if they never rescued Joe.


And the cost of driving a Ferrari 15 miles is about $4.00, right?


What is your problem, Dave?

wrote in message
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On 3 Jan 2008 13:40:02 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:23:10 +0000, Larry said:

The cost of the rescue was Zero because we ALREADY planned
to pay the crew, maintenance, CG budget even if they never rescued Joe.

And the cost of driving a Ferrari 15 miles is about $4.00, right?

I don't think the USCG uses a Ferrari for rescues. When you invite
guests over for a visit, does your mortgage payment change?




Yes... if the guest is a lawyer like Dave.

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In article
,
Bob wrote:

Now why would a NON swimmer and "...terrified..." of the water want to
sail a boat?

Why not? There are many aboard ships who do not swim well. Being
terrified by the water is not the worst attitude.

At least judging by the people who get caught by avalanches over here,
or who die paragliding from the mountain tops, there are two groups at
risk: the ones who did not have sufficient training ("beginners") - and
"cracks", who have so much experience that they loose respect.

Pulling out at the right time is a very healthy attitude.

How far do you get in cold water?

After all, at least in colder waters, it does not help much. Going into
the water is always the very last resort, ask any member of the USCG I
guess. At least the German equivalent (http://www.dgzrs.de) strongly
advises against, because of the risks of cold water - and cold for that
purpose starts at below 25 degrees Celsius. Death by hypothermia is NOT
the only or the biggest risk, there is cardiac arrest by the shock of
entering the cold water, there is quick loss of muscle power even for
very healthy young men etc.

The loss of body heat means on the contrary that you should NOT swim
once you are in the water, provided you have a good rescue vest. And:
Have you ever tried to swim after a boat?

If you want to read more about it, see
http://www.tc.gc.ca/marinesafety/TP/.../chapter-1.htm
for a good summary (recommended reading!).

Also good advice from any rescue organization: If you see that you will
need help, by all means call early enough before darkness falls - it is
so much easier to find and rescue people with the help of daylight.

Plus: It is always easy if you are not actually involved.

Now before you start jumping on me: I do swim, but have no intention
whatsoever to do so when on sea or even with a bigger boat on a lake.

Now to the unlucky boat owner Joe, his wife and his brother: All the
best, I wish you luck rescueing the boat and getting on with what you
had in mind.

Marc

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On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:48:53 GMT, wrote:

I don't think the USCG uses a Ferrari for rescues. When you invite
guests over for a visit, does your mortgage payment change?

They use helicopters with a purchase cost of at least $2 or 3M, and a
flying cost upwards of $2K/hour. The purchase cost is baked in but
the flying costs are not.

On Jan 3, 12:58 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
....
They use helicopters with a purchase cost of at least $2 or 3M, and a
flying cost upwards of $2K/hour. The purchase cost is baked in but
the flying costs are not.

I live right next to a CG base and they fly their helicopters
virtually continuously. I guess they send air assets to a distress
call less than once a month. Is it really better to pay them to check
out the bikinis on Waikiki than it is to have them saving some
lives?

-- Tom.