while the Cheoy Lee is not the dedicated ocean passage boat that the
Tayana is,

The Cheoy Lee is probably a better ocean passage boat than the Tayana, except
that the 36 foot CL has an installed genset, which usually -- on that size boat
-- makes the boat more top heavy, and also puts it off its lines. The Tayana
starts top heavy.

The Cabo Rico 38 is also a bit top heavy.

All three of the boats look very nice, and any of the three would probably do
you very well for the kind of sailing you might actually like.

I would recommend you stay away from the teak deck in a boat almost 20
years old. Teak decks, because of the screw holes (used to hold the
teak down), are prone to causing saturation and/or delamination of
the underlying deck core material unless the boat has been well
maintained for the entire 20 years. Just because it looks good
doesn't mean that the underlying deck and core are in good condition.
Repairing a saturated core is a major (read: expensive) job.

The PS Crealock is probably the best quality but, as you are seeing,
that comes at a high price. It's also pretty small inside (IMO).

Don't compromise on the boat. You can always stretch out the purchase
of the extras.

Eric

"Wendy" wrote in message ...
I had a close look at four boats today, all offered through brokers. The
experience was a pleasurable one; the brokers were pleasant enough and quite
helpful. The weather was a bit cool for my taste, though. Anyway, here's
what I looked over in the order in which I saw them, along with my thoughts:

Cheoy Lee Pedrick 36, 1985 Model: This boat is simply a very good looking
boat; it has loads of visual appeal and has been well-kept. The teak deck
is in quite good condition, as are the topside fittings and rigging.
Belowdecks, the engine is easily accessible, the cabin layout is sensible
and not ostentatiously ornate. She has a genset, which is a plus, but no
stove- a definite minus (one could easily be added, however). She's
radar-equipped, no SSB or GPS. She would be a fine live-aboard and coastal
cruiser, and should handle longer range cruising as the tankage is more than
adequate. I'd like to research Cheoy Lee's more; I liked this boat. At an
asking price of less than $60,000 she is well within my budget.

Pacific Seacraft Crealock 34, 1990 Model: Nice boat; she has a spartan
interior and a non-nonsense air about her. This boat is clearly designed
for ocean passages. Living aboard would not be difficult, but again the
boat is designed to go anywhere, not sit on a dock. At just under $100,000
she is out of my price range, so I didn't really seriously evaluate all her
features.

Cabo Rico 38, 1981 Model: She was once a nice boat, but neglect has sadly
hurt her. The below $80,000 price reflects the condition she's in; it would
take a lot of work to bring this boat up to snuff. The teak deck is shot.
I would take a pass on this boat; I don't want a project.

Tayana 37, 1982 Model: Wonderful boat, she has lots of room and is built
like a tank. She has a Perkins, which I like as I have lots of experience
with them. She's air-conditioned as well, a must in Texas. Very beamy and
not at all claustrophobic, the boat is clearly designed for comfort and
safety. She is equipped with a wind generator as well as a wind vane
steering system. She has no navigation station; the large quarterberth is
designed as an aft stateroom. I would prefer a nav station, but a fold down
table sort of thing could be easily added by a carpenter. Electronics
consists of an SSB; a radar and GPS system would have to be added (I am a
Garmin GPS junkie, I'll freely admit that Her asking price of $85,000 is
within my budget, though I would have to scrape for any planned add-ons.

It should be apparent that the first and last boats I looked at were the two
which appealed most to me. I have distinct reservations about a teak deck,
and while the Cheoy Lee is not the dedicated ocean passage boat that the
Tayana is, she would no doubt provide years of performance and satisfaction.
The Tayana represents security, comfort, and hominess. She has many of the
features I would like in a boat, and probably represents the better
investment of the two. It's quite clear to me that I am not exactly sure
what I want at this point in time, although I am sure that as I continue to
research and actively start sailing that this will become self-evident
before I buy. I understand now why searching for a boat can take quite some
time.

Wendy

The underlayment of teak decks on Tayanas is built up of softwood
squares individually isolated by dams of polyester. If such
underlayment does get wet it usually doesnt not spread accross the
whole deck as would be the case with ''sheets' of core filler.
Not that you cant get a soggy deck on a Tayana; but, if you do the
damage wont be as catastrophic as would a deck with continuous
underlayment filler. Teak deck maintenance isnt all that bad if you
kkep up a gentle and consistent regime of maintenance. Hell, I bet you
expend more time scrubbing a glass deck than a teak deck owner does in
periodically looking for loose bungs.

Give me a teak deck anytime. So what if it makes the boat a bit more
top heavy, **nothing** is this world has the non-dkid ability of bare
teak.

On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:35:11 GMT, Rich Hampel
wrote:

The underlayment of teak decks on Tayanas is built up of softwood
squares individually isolated by dams of polyester. If such
underlayment does get wet it usually doesnt not spread accross the
whole deck as would be the case with ''sheets' of core filler.
Not that you cant get a soggy deck on a Tayana; but, if you do the
damage wont be as catastrophic as would a deck with continuous
underlayment filler. Teak deck maintenance isnt all that bad if you
kkep up a gentle and consistent regime of maintenance. Hell, I bet you
expend more time scrubbing a glass deck than a teak deck owner does in
periodically looking for loose bungs.

Give me a teak deck anytime. So what if it makes the boat a bit more
top heavy, **nothing** is this world has the non-dkid ability of bare
teak.

The opposing view, and no doubt a boat I would love to visit because
it looks so nice. This gentleman knows the problems with teak, knows
how to deal with them, knows the best case scenario, and considers the
net benefit worth it.

I do not, although I've seen nice teak over metal decks that would put
me off less than teak over cored decks.

To each sailor his or her own. The less wood on the outside, the
happier I am, but that's me and is totally from the upkeep point of
view.

R.

Rich Hampel wrote:
Give me a teak deck anytime. So what if it makes the boat a bit more
top heavy, **nothing** is this world has the non-dkid ability of bare
teak.


I've heard a lot of people say this, but it's not true in my
observations. This is probably heresy, but to me it has always seemed
like a teak deck is among the worst surfaces. I don't expect anybody
else to agree, but I am telling only what I have seen to be true.

I've heard "A teak deck is best when barefoot" when it has been proven
to me by painful experience that a teak deck will get blistering hot in
the southern sun. I've heard "A teak deck is incredible non-skid" said
by a crew who had just returned from the foredeck on their hands & knees.

In short, I own a boat with a teak deck... they're beautiful but they
are not practical in any way... the maintenance is awful, the surface is
unreliable, and if it's screwed down over cored fiberglass it's a
lurking rot instigator. Our teak deck is coming off in the near future,
to be replaced by either plain fiberglass with painted non-skid, or
perhaps those industrial textured non-skid materials.


wrote:
The opposing view, and no doubt a boat I would love to visit because
it looks so nice. This gentleman knows the problems with teak, knows
how to deal with them, knows the best case scenario, and considers the
net benefit worth it.

I do not, although I've seen nice teak over metal decks that would put
me off less than teak over cored decks.

To each sailor his or her own. The less wood on the outside, the
happier I am, but that's me and is totally from the upkeep point of
view.

A little wood here & there is nice, but whole layer of it over the deck
is a bit much. Might as well build the whole boat out of the stuff

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .

In short, I own a boat with a teak deck... they're beautiful
but they
are not practical in any way... the maintenance is awful, the
surface is
unreliable, and if it's screwed down over cored fiberglass it's
a
lurking rot instigator. Our teak deck is coming off in the near
future,
to be replaced by either plain fiberglass with painted
non-skid, or
perhaps those industrial textured non-skid materials.

A friend of mine has a Choy Lee that had the deck problem and
he removed the teak and replaced it with Treadmaster. I have it
on
my boat, which I love, but it is awful on bare feet.

Leanne
s/v Fundy

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .

In short, I own a boat with a teak deck... they're beautiful
but they
are not practical in any way... the maintenance is awful, the
surface is
unreliable, and if it's screwed down over cored fiberglass it's
a
lurking rot instigator. Our teak deck is coming off in the near
future,
to be replaced by either plain fiberglass with painted
non-skid, or
perhaps those industrial textured non-skid materials.

A friend of mine has a Choy Lee that had the deck problem and
he removed the teak and replaced it with Treadmaster. I have it
on
my boat, which I love, but it is awful on bare feet.

Leanne
s/v Fundy

Rich Hampel wrote:
Give me a teak deck anytime. So what if it makes the boat a bit more
top heavy, **nothing** is this world has the non-dkid ability of bare
teak.


I've heard a lot of people say this, but it's not true in my
observations. This is probably heresy, but to me it has always seemed
like a teak deck is among the worst surfaces. I don't expect anybody
else to agree, but I am telling only what I have seen to be true.

I've heard "A teak deck is best when barefoot" when it has been proven
to me by painful experience that a teak deck will get blistering hot in
the southern sun. I've heard "A teak deck is incredible non-skid" said
by a crew who had just returned from the foredeck on their hands & knees.

In short, I own a boat with a teak deck... they're beautiful but they
are not practical in any way... the maintenance is awful, the surface is
unreliable, and if it's screwed down over cored fiberglass it's a
lurking rot instigator. Our teak deck is coming off in the near future,
to be replaced by either plain fiberglass with painted non-skid, or
perhaps those industrial textured non-skid materials.


wrote:
The opposing view, and no doubt a boat I would love to visit because
it looks so nice. This gentleman knows the problems with teak, knows
how to deal with them, knows the best case scenario, and considers the
net benefit worth it.

I do not, although I've seen nice teak over metal decks that would put
me off less than teak over cored decks.

To each sailor his or her own. The less wood on the outside, the
happier I am, but that's me and is totally from the upkeep point of
view.

A little wood here & there is nice, but whole layer of it over the deck
is a bit much. Might as well build the whole boat out of the stuff

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:35:11 GMT, Rich Hampel
wrote:

The underlayment of teak decks on Tayanas is built up of softwood
squares individually isolated by dams of polyester. If such
underlayment does get wet it usually doesnt not spread accross the
whole deck as would be the case with ''sheets' of core filler.
Not that you cant get a soggy deck on a Tayana; but, if you do the
damage wont be as catastrophic as would a deck with continuous
underlayment filler. Teak deck maintenance isnt all that bad if you
kkep up a gentle and consistent regime of maintenance. Hell, I bet you
expend more time scrubbing a glass deck than a teak deck owner does in
periodically looking for loose bungs.

Give me a teak deck anytime. So what if it makes the boat a bit more
top heavy, **nothing** is this world has the non-dkid ability of bare
teak.

The opposing view, and no doubt a boat I would love to visit because
it looks so nice. This gentleman knows the problems with teak, knows
how to deal with them, knows the best case scenario, and considers the
net benefit worth it.

I do not, although I've seen nice teak over metal decks that would put
me off less than teak over cored decks.

To each sailor his or her own. The less wood on the outside, the
happier I am, but that's me and is totally from the upkeep point of
view.

R.

In her original post she said it was the Cheoy Lee that had the teak
decks, not the Tayana.

"Cheoy Lee Pedrick 36, 1985 Model: This boat is simply a very good
looking
boat; it has loads of visual appeal and has been well-kept. The teak
deck
is in quite good condition, as are the topside fittings and rigging."

Did they build them the same way? I don't know.

Eric

Rich Hampel wrote in message ...
The underlayment of teak decks on Tayanas is built up of softwood
squares individually isolated by dams of polyester. If such
underlayment does get wet it usually doesnt not spread accross the
whole deck as would be the case with ''sheets' of core filler.
Not that you cant get a soggy deck on a Tayana; but, if you do the
damage wont be as catastrophic as would a deck with continuous
underlayment filler. Teak deck maintenance isnt all that bad if you
kkep up a gentle and consistent regime of maintenance. Hell, I bet you
expend more time scrubbing a glass deck than a teak deck owner does in
periodically looking for loose bungs.

Give me a teak deck anytime. So what if it makes the boat a bit more
top heavy, **nothing** is this world has the non-dkid ability of bare
teak.