On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 03:48:05 GMT, "Wendy" wrote:

I had a close look at four boats today, all offered through brokers. The
experience was a pleasurable one; the brokers were pleasant enough and quite
helpful. The weather was a bit cool for my taste, though. Anyway, here's
what I looked over in the order in which I saw them, along with my thoughts:

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Cheoy Lee Pedrick 36, 1985 Model:
Pacific Seacraft Crealock 34, 1990 Model:
Cabo Rico 38, 1981 Model:
Tayana 37, 1982 Model:
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Wendy


Oddly enough Wendy, we're in the same boat, as it were. The way I approached it was to first buy
the two-volume Practical Sailor "Practical Boat Buying". It was/is a quick way to make a list of
boats that might fit your needs. In my case, engine access is a biggie. I also read all the boat
reviews I come across.

The other suggestion I offer is to make a list of "needs" and "wants". (Works well when buying
a house too!)

My example:
1. Fin keel (coastal cruising in sometimes tight waters)
2. Good engine access
3. 30 - 32 feet (I'll be single-handing most of the time)
4. Sloop or cutter rigged (no experience with ketch)
5. Don't care about the electronics...I'll retrofit w/ new
6. Tiny galley OK.

You get the idea.

Keep us posted with your progress...good luck.
Norm

engsol wrote:
The other suggestion I offer is to make a list of "needs" and "wants". (Works well when buying
a house too!)

My example:
1. Fin keel (coastal cruising in sometimes tight waters)
2. Good engine access
3. 30 - 32 feet (I'll be single-handing most of the time)
4. Sloop or cutter rigged (no experience with ketch)
5. Don't care about the electronics...I'll retrofit w/ new
6. Tiny galley OK.

You get the idea.

Keep us posted with your progress...good luck.
Norm

Norm makes good sense. Just for comparison, my list includes:

1. Draft amenable to ICW and Bahamas -- 5ish feet is fine, although I
could live with 6 with some additional stress.
2. Rigged for single-handing (although I'm thinking 35-42 feet)
3. Cutter or ketch
4. Galley you can really cook in
5. Island berth in owner's cabin, preferably aft
6. Ability to shower without soaking the head, particularly the toilet
7. Accessibility to machinery
8. Storage
9. Nav station or other accommodation that can be a real desk for
working, including seating (that is likely to be customized) that
provides decent back support

I'm looking at the IP 370 and HR 40, probably new. If this all works
out, I'll sell my house and roll the bulk of the proceeds into the boat.

dv

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"Dave Skolnick" wrote in message
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engsol wrote:
The other suggestion I offer is to make a list of "needs" and "wants".
My example:
1. Fin keel (coastal cruising in sometimes tight waters)

The Cheoy Lee offers this, the Tayana does not

2. Good engine access

Both boats have this, though I have to give the nod to the Tayana, which has
a Perkins as opposed to the CL's Universal.

3. 30 - 32 feet (I'll be single-handing most of the time)

I'll live on her, so I'd prefer 36-37.

4. Sloop or cutter rigged (no experience with ketch)

I'm with you here, I don't want to deal with two masts. The Tayana is a
cutter, which is probably easier to handle than the Cheoy Lee sloop.

5. Don't care about the electronics...I'll retrofit w/ new
6. Tiny galley OK.

Same here. I'll give the edge to the Cheoy Lee in these departments.

Norm makes good sense. Just for comparison, my list includes:

1. Draft amenable to ICW and Bahamas -- 5ish feet is fine, although I
could live with 6 with some additional stress.

At 5'8" the Cheoy Lee is comfy; one would have to take care in sounds and
protected anchorages in the Western Caribbean.

2. Rigged for single-handing (although I'm thinking 35-42 feet)
3. Cutter or ketch

Easily done with the Cheoy Lee, although she is a sloop.

4. Galley you can really cook in

I'd give the edge to the Tayana here, but either boat would do. The Cheoy
Lee would require the purchase and installation of a stove- another $1500?

5. Island berth in owner's cabin, preferably aft

Want comfy quarterberth at sea, both boats fit this requirement.

6. Ability to shower without soaking the head, particularly the toilet

The Tayana; no contest here.

7. Accessibility to machinery

Both the same, though again the Perkins appeals.

8. Storage

Comparable, probably more on the Tayana.

9. Nav station or other accommodation that can be a real desk for
working, including seating (that is likely to be customized) that
provides decent back support

No nav station in the Tayana. No back support in the Cheoy Lee, but how
much time will I spend at the nav station? Probably not much.

I'm looking at the IP 370 and HR 40, probably new. If this all works
out, I'll sell my house and roll the bulk of the proceeds into the boat.

My funds will probably come from an inheritance, though one never knows
about these things. I'm putting the house on the market this spring.

I didn't really mean this mail to be a rebuttal of the points the two of you
brought up, but more of a personal consideration of these points. I do like
the approach you take as concerns needs and wants. In that vein, not
necessarily in order of importance:

1. Visual appeal, from a personal standpoint. I want to fall in love again
everytime I see my boat.
2. Sailability- she should be forgiving, but a good performer easily taken
out for an afternoon or a month.
3. Nav station upgradeable with my personal electronic choices. As a pilot
this is important to me.
4. 35' minimum as I will live aboard; cutter or sloop rigged.
5. Capable of transatlantic/circumnavigation.

Seems like I just described the new Island Packet 37 I noticed this weekend
for sale. For $250,000 bare. sigh.

Wendy

"Dave Skolnick" wrote in message
news:7EfTb.14505$u_6.2617@lakeread04...
engsol wrote:
The other suggestion I offer is to make a list of "needs" and "wants".
My example:
1. Fin keel (coastal cruising in sometimes tight waters)

The Cheoy Lee offers this, the Tayana does not

2. Good engine access

Both boats have this, though I have to give the nod to the Tayana, which has
a Perkins as opposed to the CL's Universal.

3. 30 - 32 feet (I'll be single-handing most of the time)

I'll live on her, so I'd prefer 36-37.

4. Sloop or cutter rigged (no experience with ketch)

I'm with you here, I don't want to deal with two masts. The Tayana is a
cutter, which is probably easier to handle than the Cheoy Lee sloop.

5. Don't care about the electronics...I'll retrofit w/ new
6. Tiny galley OK.

Same here. I'll give the edge to the Cheoy Lee in these departments.

Norm makes good sense. Just for comparison, my list includes:

1. Draft amenable to ICW and Bahamas -- 5ish feet is fine, although I
could live with 6 with some additional stress.

At 5'8" the Cheoy Lee is comfy; one would have to take care in sounds and
protected anchorages in the Western Caribbean.

2. Rigged for single-handing (although I'm thinking 35-42 feet)
3. Cutter or ketch

Easily done with the Cheoy Lee, although she is a sloop.

4. Galley you can really cook in

I'd give the edge to the Tayana here, but either boat would do. The Cheoy
Lee would require the purchase and installation of a stove- another $1500?

5. Island berth in owner's cabin, preferably aft

Want comfy quarterberth at sea, both boats fit this requirement.

6. Ability to shower without soaking the head, particularly the toilet

The Tayana; no contest here.

7. Accessibility to machinery

Both the same, though again the Perkins appeals.

8. Storage

Comparable, probably more on the Tayana.

9. Nav station or other accommodation that can be a real desk for
working, including seating (that is likely to be customized) that
provides decent back support

No nav station in the Tayana. No back support in the Cheoy Lee, but how
much time will I spend at the nav station? Probably not much.

I'm looking at the IP 370 and HR 40, probably new. If this all works
out, I'll sell my house and roll the bulk of the proceeds into the boat.

My funds will probably come from an inheritance, though one never knows
about these things. I'm putting the house on the market this spring.

I didn't really mean this mail to be a rebuttal of the points the two of you
brought up, but more of a personal consideration of these points. I do like
the approach you take as concerns needs and wants. In that vein, not
necessarily in order of importance:

1. Visual appeal, from a personal standpoint. I want to fall in love again
everytime I see my boat.
2. Sailability- she should be forgiving, but a good performer easily taken
out for an afternoon or a month.
3. Nav station upgradeable with my personal electronic choices. As a pilot
this is important to me.
4. 35' minimum as I will live aboard; cutter or sloop rigged.
5. Capable of transatlantic/circumnavigation.

Seems like I just described the new Island Packet 37 I noticed this weekend
for sale. For $250,000 bare. sigh.

Wendy

engsol wrote:
The other suggestion I offer is to make a list of "needs" and "wants". (Works well when buying
a house too!)

My example:
1. Fin keel (coastal cruising in sometimes tight waters)
2. Good engine access
3. 30 - 32 feet (I'll be single-handing most of the time)
4. Sloop or cutter rigged (no experience with ketch)
5. Don't care about the electronics...I'll retrofit w/ new
6. Tiny galley OK.

You get the idea.

Keep us posted with your progress...good luck.
Norm

Norm makes good sense. Just for comparison, my list includes:

1. Draft amenable to ICW and Bahamas -- 5ish feet is fine, although I
could live with 6 with some additional stress.
2. Rigged for single-handing (although I'm thinking 35-42 feet)
3. Cutter or ketch
4. Galley you can really cook in
5. Island berth in owner's cabin, preferably aft
6. Ability to shower without soaking the head, particularly the toilet
7. Accessibility to machinery
8. Storage
9. Nav station or other accommodation that can be a real desk for
working, including seating (that is likely to be customized) that
provides decent back support

I'm looking at the IP 370 and HR 40, probably new. If this all works
out, I'll sell my house and roll the bulk of the proceeds into the boat.

dv

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