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What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon
your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained by it. 1. She must be easy to handle. 2. She must be comfortable. 3. She must be seaworthy. 4. She must be fast. 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boat from 35 to 45'?
I vote for the Camper Nicholson 39 and 40. Center cockpit with passageway
aft, good sea boat, sloop and ketch rigged. I own one. Ansley Sawyer SV Pacem CN 39 Ketch |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 21, 10:10 am, kupono wrote:
I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained by it. 1. She must be easy to handle. 2. She must be comfortable. 3. She must be seaworthy. 4. She must be fast. 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. I vote for the Atlantic 42; I own one. -- Tom. PS. Don't you think everyone is going to list their own boat? |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruisingboat from 35 to 45'?
Ansley Sawyer wrote:
I vote for the Camper Nicholson 39 and 40. Center cockpit with passageway aft, good sea boat, sloop and ketch rigged. I own one. Ansley, I was looking at pictures of those boats and was curious - what's with the wheel offset to port? In a center cockpit boat I would think a centerline wheel would make more sense, no? Do you find this arrangement workable/comfortable/ease of manuvering in port, etc ? Red |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 21, 11:46 am, Dave wrote:
... but most of us probably know the difference between an "Offshore Cruising Boat" and a boat that meets our needs. I think I know what you are saying. But, while most of us probably _know_ what an offshore cruising boat should be I suspect that many of us might not _agree_ on it. Cheers, -- Tom. |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruisingboat from 35 to 45'?
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What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boat from 35 to 45'?
Is it a given that this is supposed to be a sailboat??? Just so you
know -- there are several power boats that meet your specification. kupono wrote: I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained by it. 1. She must be easy to handle. 2. She must be comfortable. 3. She must be seaworthy. 4. She must be fast. 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. Michael Porter Marine Design mporter at mp-marine dot com www.mp-marine.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruisingboat from 35 to 45'?
kupono wrote:
I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained by it. 1. She must be easy to handle. 2. She must be comfortable. 3. She must be seaworthy. 4. She must be fast. 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. Why are you insisting on "offshore" in the title, but then simply say "favorite cruising boat" in the body? The truth is that the vast majority of cruising is done in boats that are not generally considered good offshore boats. Although I certainly wouldn't argue with the criteria, I find it interesting the Eddy and Duff don't make an offshore boat, they specialize is dinghies and daysailers. As seaworthy as a Stone Horse may be, it still isn't an offshore boat. And of course, my boat, a PDQ 36 catamaran, is the ideal cruising boat, although I don';t think of it as an offshore boat. |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruisingboat from 35 to 45'?
Dave wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:27:43 -0500, said: I think with some freshening up, Dave's boat (CS27) could safely do a trans-At. I think Dave himself might need more than a "freshening up" to make the trip in that boat, though! I would never claim that either my boat or I is suited for a trans-Atlantic trip. And I don't feel the need to prove anything by trying it. It's suited for what I do--mostly single-handing in a triangle defined by New Haven, Block Island and the elbow of the Cape. Indeed, CS27s have sailed around the world, done trans-Ats, trans-Pacs, but I wouldn't make one my first choice for such an endeavor. Cheers Marty |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruisingboat from 35 to 45'?
Marty wrote:
Indeed, CS27s have sailed around the world, done trans-Ats, trans-Pacs, but I wouldn't make one my first choice for such an endeavor. Cheers Marty I have only two requirements i a larger boat. Inboard diesel and a wheel for steering... |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boat from 35 to 45'?
On 2007-12-21 15:10:44 -0500, kupono said:
I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained by it. 1. She must be easy to handle. 2. She must be comfortable. 3. She must be seaworthy. 4. She must be fast. 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. #5, "beautiful" is purely subjective, but our admittedly ugly-duckling Xan (see below) fulfills every other criteria, except that her physical size is a bit below your specified lower limit. I don't know a better boat for two for the Chesapeake and Bahamas. More properly, we haven't found a boat less than 41' that was a material upgrade from her, and we have been actively looking for the past 15 seasons. One Hunter 34 struck our fancy, but it required substantial fixes only a decade into its life. The Cabo Rico 37 looks great, but we can (and have) sail rings around that crab crusher. Hell, we regularly pass catamarans under chute. (Xan doesn't cede to any boat under 40', and will give a good fight to those who are longer.) -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 21, 12:10*pm, kupono wrote:
I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained *by it. * * 1. She must be easy to handle. * * 2. She must be comfortable. * * 3. She must be seaworthy. * * 4. She must be fast. * * 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. this is the one for me, 86x23x8 Ahhh, no thats a boat. A bit over priced at $250K. a year or two ago these were going for 180K cause so many on the market. http://www.americanmarineyachts.com/..._054_large.jpg Oh, and so beautiful! bob |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 21, 12:10*pm, kupono wrote:
I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained *by it. * * 1. She must be easy to handle. * * 2. She must be comfortable. * * 3. She must be seaworthy. * * 4. She must be fast. * * 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. ANd here is anohter GREAT boat asking price $140K !!!!!!! http://www.americanmarineyachts.com/..._037_large.jpg Now wha tcould ya do with 120'??? Pull your head out of your white plastic yacht ass and consider a real boat! Bob |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 22, 4:10 am, kupono wrote:
I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained by it. 1. She must be easy to handle. 2. She must be comfortable. 3. She must be seaworthy. 4. She must be fast. 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. 1. how much u want to spend, the worlds largest freighter is handled by 13 men only, most of them for cleaning and cooking, automatisation is the world, it costs 2. how old are u? a mans age in feet boat length is an old rule of thumb, still comfort levels are something personal, fakirs have a different lifestyle compared to a princess on a pea. 3. some swear on iron or lead ducks, a hole and they sink, but if they return after a capsize, they are mostly upright, I believe in Catamarans, they might end up upside down, and this is how the are sometimes found, sunken monohulls are mostly not found any more. Both varieties have seaworthy and less seaworthy examples 4. well, then look into a modern trimaran and do not expect any comfort, not even paint on the carbon hull. maybe a bucket as toilet. I went for a balsa/honeycomb cat, 43' 8800lb plus payload 1000sqft upwind sail 5. well, if all women like the same guy, what will all others do? for some a tank is beautiful, some love soft lines, some baroque ones ;-) my last cat was a shangri-la-nova 47', German designer Nissen with help of a guy (Pieske) cruising around the world for 15 years, homebuilt but so beautiful someone forced me to sell, even when it was ten years old, better he would have stolen it, then the insurance would have paid more. **** happens. Now after ten years owning a cat I know what I liked, basically the same, it was a perfect design, just a little heavy, but rock solid. This one is smaller, much lighter, just fits like a tight jeans, 43' Schionning design. for me the Australians have some of the best cat designers when it comes to pleasing lines (Grainger, Lidgaard, Spirited Design), there might be other good designers too, but I did not like how the yachts look like. You write CRUISING, means you spend most of the time at anchorages, occasionally a passage, living on board. Nothing beats a well designed Catamaran for that. no rolling, no gimbaled stove, at anchor peaceful, yes, uphill sometimes noisy, but that is no long fun on a mono either, but on a cat you still cook when on a mono you secure everything. And in a marine you live first floor and not in the basement. My opinion.... |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruisingboat from 35 to 45'?
Red wrote:
Ansley Sawyer wrote: I vote for the Camper Nicholson 39 and 40. Center cockpit with passageway aft, good sea boat, sloop and ketch rigged. I own one. Ansley, I was looking at pictures of those boats and was curious - what's with the wheel offset to port? In a center cockpit boat I would think a centerline wheel would make more sense, no? Do you find this arrangement workable/comfortable/ease of manuvering in port, etc ? Red Allows for a wider hallway to the aft cabin. |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 21, 10:20 pm, izibizi wrote:
... This one is smaller, much lighter, just fits like a tight jeans, 43' Schionning design. for me the Australians have some of the best cat designers when it comes to pleasing lines (Grainger, Lidgaard, Spirited Design), there might be other good designers too, but I did not like how the yachts look like. ... Schionning's boats are lovely. I got to walk around "Pat's Cat" in Vanuatu. A sweet boat, but as you say a tight fit. I think she was 48' as built (extended for inboards) and she had less room inside than my Atlantic 42 (which is small by cruising cat standards). I'm was raised on the East coast and like a traditional sheer line. The reverse sheer with large radius is light and can be lovely but it can also be wet. I think Choi, Newick and White, just to name my favorates, have drawn some beautiful multis "up over", as it where. -- Tom. |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 21, 3:01*pm, Michael Porter wrote:
Is it a given that this is supposed to be a sailboat??? *Just so you know -- there are several power boats that meet your specification. kupono wrote: I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained *by it. * *1. She must be easy to handle. * *2. She must be comfortable. * *3. She must be seaworthy. * *4. She must be fast. * *5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. Michael Porter Marine Design mporter at mp-marine dot comwww.mp-marine.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Power boats are welcome, though I'm a sailboat kind of guy. I'd just like to see personal convictions spread all over this thread. I would like to see more arguments defending the choices though. Regards |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 21, 4:08*pm, jeff wrote:
kupono wrote: I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained *by it. * * 1. She must be easy to handle. * * 2. She must be comfortable. * * 3. She must be seaworthy. * * 4. She must be fast. * * 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. Why are you insisting on "offshore" in the title, but then simply say "favorite cruising boat" in the body? *The truth is that the vast majority of cruising is done in boats that are not generally considered good offshore boats. Although I certainly wouldn't argue with the criteria, I find it interesting the Eddy and Duff don't make an offshore boat, they specialize is dinghies and daysailers. *As seaworthy as a Stone Horse may be, it still isn't an offshore boat. And of course, my boat, a PDQ 36 catamaran, is the ideal cruising boat, although I don';t think of it as an offshore boat.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sure, why not. Coastal cruising boats are welcome as well. Just qualify what kind of cruising your choice is suitable for (in your opinion). I personally am more interested in offshore capable boats. Regards |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 21, 11:12*pm, Bob wrote:
On Dec 21, 12:10*pm, kupono wrote: I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained *by it. * * 1. She must be easy to handle. * * 2. She must be comfortable. * * 3. She must be seaworthy. * * 4. She must be fast. * * 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. this is the one for me, 86x23x8 Ahhh, no thats a boat. A bit over priced at $250K. a year or two ago these were going for 180K cause so many on the market. http://www.americanmarineyachts.com/..._054_large.jpg Oh, and so beautiful! bob I have to say that's one fine looking boat. |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 21, 11:16*pm, Bob wrote:
On Dec 21, 12:10*pm, kupono wrote: I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained *by it. * * 1. She must be easy to handle. * * 2. She must be comfortable. * * 3. She must be seaworthy. * * 4. She must be fast. * * 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. ANd here is anohter GREAT boat asking price $140K !!!!!!! http://www.americanmarineyachts.com/..._037_large.jpg Now wha tcould ya do with 120'??? Pull your head out of your white plastic yacht ass and consider a real boat! Bob I could go broke feeding it fuel. |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 22, 12:20*am, izibizi wrote:
On Dec 22, 4:10 am, kupono wrote: I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained *by it. * * 1. She must be easy to handle. * * 2. She must be comfortable. * * 3. She must be seaworthy. * * 4. She must be fast. * * 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. 1. how much u want to spend, the worlds largest freighter is handled by 13 men only, most of them for cleaning and cooking, automatisation is the world, it costs 2. how old are u? a mans age in feet boat length is an old rule of thumb, still comfort levels are something personal, fakirs have a different lifestyle compared to a princess on a pea. 3. some swear on iron or lead ducks, a hole and they sink, but if they return after a capsize, they are mostly upright, I believe in Catamarans, they might end up upside down, and this is how the are sometimes found, sunken monohulls are mostly not found any more. Both varieties have seaworthy and less seaworthy examples 4. well, then look into a modern trimaran and do not expect any comfort, not even paint on the carbon hull. maybe a bucket as toilet. I went for a balsa/honeycomb cat, 43' 8800lb plus payload 1000sqft upwind sail 5. well, if all women like the same guy, what will all others do? for some a tank is beautiful, some love soft lines, some baroque ones ;-) my last cat was a shangri-la-nova 47', German designer Nissen with help of a guy (Pieske) cruising around the world for 15 years, homebuilt but so beautiful someone forced me to sell, even when it was ten years old, better he would have stolen it, then the insurance would have paid more. **** happens. Now after ten years owning a cat I know what I liked, basically the same, it was a perfect design, just a little heavy, but rock solid. This one is smaller, much lighter, just fits like a tight jeans, 43' Schionning design. for me the Australians have some of the best cat designers when it comes to pleasing lines (Grainger, Lidgaard, Spirited Design), there might be other good designers too, but I did not like how the yachts look like. You write CRUISING, means you spend most of the time at anchorages, occasionally a passage, living on board. Nothing beats a well designed Catamaran for that. no rolling, no gimbaled stove, at anchor peaceful, yes, uphill sometimes noisy, but that is no long fun on a mono either, but on a cat you still cook when on a mono you secure everything. And in a marine you live first floor and not in the basement. My opinion.... This thread is about you, not me. I want your opinions. Mine suck. I couldn't afford a boat the length of my age anyway. I do like multi- hulls though. |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 21, 12:10 pm, kupono wrote:
I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained by it. 1. She must be easy to handle. 2. She must be comfortable. 3. She must be seaworthy. 4. She must be fast. 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. While I like my Crown 28, and feel it's "offshore-capable", my Dream Boat is a Sceptre 43. Fast, comfortable, all the amenities (including a wine-cellar)... Only about $300-$400K depending on options... druid http://www.bcboatnet.org |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
kupono wrote:
I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained by it. 1. She must be easy to handle. 2. She must be comfortable. 3. She must be seaworthy. 4. She must be fast. 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. Some years ago I posted a copy of Edey & Duff's essay here. Still worth consideration IMHO... their Stone Horse is a lovely boat but it's a bit small for most people to consider for more than weekending. My favorite cruiser is our 36' tugboat, in which my wife & I are currently cruising the Great Loop... not the same as crossing an ocean and this would not be the boat for that. However we are very comfortable, certainly easy to handle (and another consideration along those lines is "easy to maintain"), not fast but OTOH we get there. Beautiful? Well, I find the Winnie W's looks pleasant and we occasionally get compliments... http://sports.webshots.com/album/550708407IeSjaU "Seaworthiness" is also rather subjective... our boat is not built for battling rough weather, and so it's primary "seaworthiness" characteristic is the skipper's ability to hear weather forecasts. In eight months (over 5,000 miles) of full time cruising we've had weather that was difficult only 5 times, and all five of those were due to being in a hurry and setting off with a marginal (or in one case, just plain bad) forecasts.... at the time we were willing to take the hit and we would not set out at all with more than a slight risk of real danger... One factor that is very important, but rarely discussed (at least, that I've seen) is the cruiser's radius of action. How long can you go out, in either miles or in time, and stay in your desired cruising area? For a powerboat, that is heavily dependent on fuel capacity & efficiency. For sailboats & powerboats alike, other considerations are draft, ground tackle, stores, water capacity, holding tank capacity.... then lesser items like "can you dry towels aboard without turning the cabin into a swamp." A really marvelous way to cruise, and my family did this for years.... get a trailerable racing class boat, go to regattas and either camp or stay with friends. You get to sail a lot of different places, and learn a lot of good skills too. Sort of like touring on land in a sports car & staying in hotels, instead of buying an RV! Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boat from 35 to 45'?
"druid" wrote in message ... While I like my Crown 28, and feel it's "offshore-capable", my Dream Boat is a Sceptre 43. Fast, comfortable, all the amenities (including a wine-cellar)... Only about $300-$400K depending on options... druid http://www.bcboatnet.org Since you are talking dollars I assume you are in USA. Why would anyone in USA pay $300/400 for a boat of that size when the used market in USA is running at a level where the prices for really nice boats are ridiculously cheap by European standards? Ok, if money is no object but that does not apply to most people. |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
Consider just about any design by Robert H. Perry, or other reknown
offshore designer: Tayana, Valiant, Baba, Tashiba, Panda, etc. * * 1. She must be easy to handle. Most Perry boats are full 'buttocked' so that the stern dosnt squat and have a lot or reserve buoyancy, etc., have reasonable stability, are 'seakindly' - slow rolling, less pitching, etc. etc. Easy to handle depends 95% on how the individual owner sets up all the sailing hardware, etc. You must be aware that long distance cruising boats and racing boats are purposely designed for their venues --- the differences would be equal to the comparison of a stable 747 versus a totally unstable fighter jet. Easy to handle means many different things. Most blue water design boats are known for 'tracking ability', not for turning on a dime inside a marina fairway, etc. I'd favor a split underbody with the rudder at the very far end of the stern over a modified-full keel. * * 2. She must be comfortable. Seakindliness or dockside entertaining .... look at the stabilitiy ratios, roll periods, etc. etc. * * 3. She must be seaworthy. Simply look for a mechanical/structural 'factor of safety' of about 4:1 for any offshore boat. Once you get down to the final-cut of selection, join the various email, etc. 'owners groups' and ask about their dirty underwear. Most of the above listed are proven blue water boats. Seaworthy depends a LOT on the skill/knowledge of the skipper. * * 4. She must be fast. Most of those above within your length criteria will vary from 135 to 170 PHRF .... of course these are mostly cutter rigged (true cutters and sloops with added staysails) so you have to *really* already know how to shape and trim for fast sailing as cutters are not easily sailed with just a 'sloop' mentality. Fast also depends on water line length and bow shape (how it performs in waves, etc. based on the bow's 'half angle', etc.) * * 5. She must be beautiful. Perry is probably most reknown for his 'beautiful' shear lines, etc. If you're serious about such a boat, suggest you make your preliminary selection 'cuts' then contract one of the major designers for 'consulting services' to aid in the end-game of your selection, especially when you close down on the final few; and, especially when you are thinking about contracting with a surveyor - thats when such consulting services will pay off in spades - as the designer will have all the history of what worked and what didnt, whats lasted the test of time and what needs to be replaced or upgraded, etc. based on the age or when the boat was built during the production series. They are usually 'most critical' with their own designs. Such can save you a lot of $, heartache and selecting the wrong boat for your exact needs. You might want to review first several books of "boat design criteria" as would be published by the various 'designers', etc. to help in "what" type of boat you want. Amazon, and many of the various marine-booksellers, etc. has them. ' hope this helps |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
http://sports.webshots.com/album/550708407IeSjaU
WaIIy wrote: You have a fine boat. Your thruster project was quite ambitious and there aren't many that would attempt to make a hole like that in their boat. Excellent job on that. Thank you (blush). One reason why I was willing to saw a big hole in the boat is that over the past 4 decades, I spent more time & money fixing up old beater racing-class sailboats to be competitive... including a lot of fiberglass work making them lighter & stiffer... so I was fairly confident that at the very worst, I could just fiberglass the hole shut again. ;) Wayne.B wrote: Good points in favor of considering a fuel efficient powerboat. The original poster did not specify power or sail but there is a cultural bias towards sail in this forum. Oh yes! However some of the other biases have loosened up over the years... I don't have the time to be as active as I was a few years ago, but it looks to me like the Crab-Crusher Mafia has lost a lot of their traction. One of the "issues" regarding powerboat cruising is that relatively few people look carefully at the trade-off between speed & fuel efficiency. Speed is great, we often wish we could make shorter time of some of the less-pleasant transits; however a lot of fellow Great Loopers are burning more than 3X the fuel we are, and have to stop every couple of days to tank up. We go several weeks between fill- ups! That said, after 11,000 nautical miles of experience we are very happy with cruising our Grand Banks trawler, as are many other people. It has at least twice the interior volume of a comparable sailboat, a great deal of system redundancy not found in most sail boats, is faster than any sailboat we have ever owned, invariably gets compliments on appearance, carries enough fuel and water to be totally self sufficient for several months if necessary, very comfortable, and easily handled with one or two people. Something to consider if you are not intent on crossing oceans, although there are cruising trawlers that will do that also. Yep, and even with fuel prices rising, more people are going on power cruising rallies & flotillas so that many of the challenges are easier (less intimidating). Some pictures he Boat, Dock, Tiki hut, etc. - http://share.shutterfly.com/action/w...AaOGTlo0Zt2LlI Abacos Cruise - http://share.shutterfly.com/action/w...AaOGTlo0Zt2LjQ We checked out the dolphin video... awesome! BTW I would also like to give Wayne B. and his good wife a public "thank you" for ensuring we had a great time when we cruised thru their home town. DSK |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boat from 35 to 45'?
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:06:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
BTW I would also like to give Wayne B. and his good wife a public "thank you" for ensuring we had a great time when we cruised thru their home town. You are quite welcome of course. We consider SWFL a wonderful cruising area this time of year and are always happy to show it off. Are you back to NC yet? |
What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 28, 6:40 am, "Edgar" wrote:
"druid" wrote in message ... While I like my Crown 28, and feel it's "offshore-capable", my Dream Boat is a Sceptre 43. Fast, comfortable, all the amenities (including a wine-cellar)... Only about $300-$400K depending on options... druid http://www.bcboatnet.org Since you are talking dollars I assume you are in USA. Why would anyone in USA pay $300/400 for a boat of that size when the used market in USA is running at a level where the prices for really nice boats are ridiculously cheap by European standards? Ok, if money is no object but that does not apply to most people. Nope - Canada. There are more countries in the world than the US that use "dollars" for currency (Can and Aus, for two...). The Sceptre is built in Richmond, BC, so there aren't many in the eastern US, where the "bargains" are. Ya gets what ya pays for... I looked at buying an Islander 28 in Calif and shipping it up - I ended up buying a Crown 28, which I think is a better boat anyway (and again: built in North Van, so there aren't many in the US). So buying a boat in the US isn't what it's cracked up to be... druid http://www.bcboatnet.org |
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