Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

It being November .. I always think "huum, maybe this winter I will repower"

And so I start to look around.. the ususal suspects: Beta, Yanmar,
Universal.

I stumbled.. or I should say they stumbled upon me .. the Phasor engine.

It is a Kabota.. pretty much seems like a Beta.. Since Beta are Kabota..

What do ya know?

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:07:15 GMT, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
wrote:

It being November .. I always think "huum, maybe this winter I will repower"

And so I start to look around.. the ususal suspects: Beta, Yanmar,
Universal.

I stumbled.. or I should say they stumbled upon me .. the Phasor engine.

It is a Kabota.. pretty much seems like a Beta.. Since Beta are Kabota..

What do ya know?


Not much but the Kubota's have a good reputation. Is Phasor the
importer and/or marinizer?

In my experience the single most important factor in an engine
decision is the availavility of parts and service because sooner or
later you will need both. Yanmar and Westerbeke probably lead the
pack in that respect. I believe Universal is now Westerbeke.

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

Wayne ,, just goofing on the net and what I've found is that the Kubota
engine is what Beta uses.

Beta makes the Marine changes.

So,, then this Phasor email shows up..

I look and the Phasor is pretty much the same as the Beta..

I'm thinking .. Kubota engine, so parts are Kubota.. but Phasor does the
marine changes.

What I think is happening is: some smart guys are figuring out the Beta
system and copying it. Why not.

Take a look at the Beta.. Kubota engine and associated parts.
Take a look at the Phasor .. Kubota and associated parts.

Both have the heat exchanger ..etc.


Beta has been advertising like crazy the last few years. Let's face it, the
buyer is paying for all that advertising.

If someone can use the Beta ideas, the Kubota engine, make the changes in
the USA.. with our weak dollar the oversea's engine's are
going to get real expensive ..

Who knows.

==
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:07:15 GMT, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
wrote:

It being November .. I always think "huum, maybe this winter I will
repower"

And so I start to look around.. the ususal suspects: Beta, Yanmar,
Universal.

I stumbled.. or I should say they stumbled upon me .. the Phasor engine.

It is a Kabota.. pretty much seems like a Beta.. Since Beta are Kabota..

What do ya know?


Not much but the Kubota's have a good reputation. Is Phasor the
importer and/or marinizer?

In my experience the single most important factor in an engine
decision is the availavility of parts and service because sooner or
later you will need both. Yanmar and Westerbeke probably lead the
pack in that respect. I believe Universal is now Westerbeke.

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message
news:n2g1j.1757$281.470@trndny06...
It being November .. I always think "huum, maybe this winter I will
repower"

And so I start to look around.. the ususal suspects: Beta, Yanmar,
Universal.

I stumbled.. or I should say they stumbled upon me .. the Phasor engine.

It is a Kabota.. pretty much seems like a Beta.. Since Beta are Kabota..

What do ya know?

Look at the Vetus diesel engine http://www.vetus.nl/en/catalogue_2008.html

It is a Mitsubishi engine. They also make engine for other branded name.

My friend repowered (about 2 years ago) a 38 C&C Landfall with a Vetus MT
15, 4 cylinders. The price included all instruments/cabling without the
transmission for $6.000.00 USD.

He installed it himself and had minimum re-bedding and alignment to do. He
had no problem to install his old transmission.

So far he is extremely please with the engine and always cruise at maximum
hull speed.



http://www.vetus.nl/en/catalogue_2008.html

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"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in
news:R9h1j.18212$701.1027@trndny08:

Who knows.


I don't think those labels make any difference any more. Manufacturers
aren't really manufacturers any more, just brokers for obscure
manufacturer contractors noone ever heard of.

Case in point. I had a Honda EM5000X 5.5KW genset. It had a slant-
cylinder 11HP OHV 4-stroke engine on it that said HONDA all over it.
Honda made the whole thing, generator and all, painted Honda red......and
quite expensive because of it. It was a great generator, too!

But, roaming inside Pep Boys looking for something, I stumbled upon a
whole rack of Chinese generators from manufacturers I couldn't even
pronounce. I saw a familiar shaped engine on a 6KW Chinese model and
took a closer look. There sat my HONDA 11hp OHV 4-stroke
engine....EXACTLY what was on my Honda genset....at 1/4 the price! Where
the HONDA genset had HONDA stamped into the aluminum block....it was
blank on this engine. There were unused motor mounts on this block that
HONDA used to mount the motor to the frame. It had the same carb, same
valve cover without HONDA stamped into it, same everything except the
name.

Just like electronics, the company whos name is emblazoned on the cabinet
is only the broker for the manufacturer in Foo Man Chu you never will
hear of. Chuck Hung Lo Manufacturing and Storm Door, Foo Man Chu, PRC.

Larry
--
Xterm IS the ultimate video game...(c;

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in
news:R9h1j.18212$701.1027@trndny08:

Who knows.


I don't think those labels make any difference any more. Manufacturers
aren't really manufacturers any more, just brokers for obscure
manufacturer contractors noone ever heard of.

Case in point. I had a Honda EM5000X 5.5KW genset. It had a slant-
cylinder 11HP OHV 4-stroke engine on it that said HONDA all over it.
Honda made the whole thing, generator and all, painted Honda red......and
quite expensive because of it. It was a great generator, too!

But, roaming inside Pep Boys looking for something, I stumbled upon a
whole rack of Chinese generators from manufacturers I couldn't even
pronounce. I saw a familiar shaped engine on a 6KW Chinese model and
took a closer look. There sat my HONDA 11hp OHV 4-stroke
engine....EXACTLY what was on my Honda genset....at 1/4 the price! Where
the HONDA genset had HONDA stamped into the aluminum block....it was
blank on this engine. There were unused motor mounts on this block that
HONDA used to mount the motor to the frame. It had the same carb, same
valve cover without HONDA stamped into it, same everything except the
name.

Just like electronics, the company whos name is emblazoned on the cabinet
is only the broker for the manufacturer in Foo Man Chu you never will
hear of. Chuck Hung Lo Manufacturing and Storm Door, Foo Man Chu, PRC.

Larry
--
Xterm IS the ultimate video game...(c;

================================================== ===============================

Larry ,, you once again make sound points. I am at the "just looking" stage
so I'm able to look, think, decide.
One funny quirt of the diesel marine engine market; there are no prices on
their web sites. Take a look at Beta.
They have just about everything and anything a boat owner would ever need to
know when thinking about or actually
doing/installing a repower. But NO PRICES. Nope. It always says "call
this xxxx number for a price". I find this very strange.

I wonder if it is because they use a Kubota motor and just marine it.

I think I understand the "marine changes" part but now I'm not sure.

What if a boat owner just bought a Kubota motor, like the one that Beta
uses. What is the difference between the Kubota and the
marine Beta. I realize that the motor will need a heat exchanger,
alternator, etc.

Do you know?

Any other well thought out ideas?

Thanks

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

I've been down this road recently for under 50 hp sailing auxiliaries
generally available for purchase in the US Here's what I found:

"Marinization" is the process of adding (to a basic industrial diesel
engine)

Raw water pump and hoses
Heat exchanger / exhaust elbow
Air intake filter
Basic electrics (alternator, wiring harness, engine low/high alarms
etc)
Bell housing, ie. everything aft of the flywheel
Mounting brackets and vibration dampers
Accessories (instrument panel, oil sump pump and the like)

The Kubota blocks are marinzed by:

Beta
Universal
Phasor

The Mitsubishi blocks are marinized by:

Westerbeke
Vetus

The Perkins blocks are marinized by:

Volvo

There are a few 'independent engine, someone else's transmission'

Volkswagen Marine (very cool, IMHO but smallest is 40 hp) see:
http://www.vw-m.de/index.php?L=1&id=10
Lombardini

There's one completely independent (engine and transmission):

Yanmar

It's interesting to note that Westebeke markets both the Mitsubishi
(under their banner) and the Kubota (under the Universal banner). The
Mitsubishi/Westerbeke is thir 'flagship' and is about 20% more
expensive than the Universal. One might decuce that either the
Mitsubishi is a 'better' engine than the Kubota, or that Westerbeke
takes more "care' in the marinization of the Mitsu...

I've seen the Phasor at various boat shows and was impressed by their
marinization - stainless steel exhaust riser, silicon hoses, decent
sized alternator as standard equipment. For prices, visit a major
boat show where all of these guys exhibit - play one off the other :)

MW
Los Angeles

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

Mike,, that was great.. you really did a good job of explaining this..

Now .. It guess I should post a message asking for the Boat Show line up.. I
will... why not.. it is almost winter.. ooops.. there is snow on the ground
where I live .. that makes it official.

===
wrote in message
...
I've been down this road recently for under 50 hp sailing auxiliaries
generally available for purchase in the US Here's what I found:

"Marinization" is the process of adding (to a basic industrial diesel
engine)

Raw water pump and hoses
Heat exchanger / exhaust elbow
Air intake filter
Basic electrics (alternator, wiring harness, engine low/high alarms
etc)
Bell housing, ie. everything aft of the flywheel
Mounting brackets and vibration dampers
Accessories (instrument panel, oil sump pump and the like)

The Kubota blocks are marinzed by:

Beta
Universal
Phasor

The Mitsubishi blocks are marinized by:

Westerbeke
Vetus

The Perkins blocks are marinized by:

Volvo

There are a few 'independent engine, someone else's transmission'

Volkswagen Marine (very cool, IMHO but smallest is 40 hp) see:
http://www.vw-m.de/index.php?L=1&id=10
Lombardini

There's one completely independent (engine and transmission):

Yanmar

It's interesting to note that Westebeke markets both the Mitsubishi
(under their banner) and the Kubota (under the Universal banner). The
Mitsubishi/Westerbeke is thir 'flagship' and is about 20% more
expensive than the Universal. One might decuce that either the
Mitsubishi is a 'better' engine than the Kubota, or that Westerbeke
takes more "care' in the marinization of the Mitsu...

I've seen the Phasor at various boat shows and was impressed by their
marinization - stainless steel exhaust riser, silicon hoses, decent
sized alternator as standard equipment. For prices, visit a major
boat show where all of these guys exhibit - play one off the other :)

MW
Los Angeles

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

So, is Honda selling Chinese engines, or did Honda sell off an old
production line to China?

:)



On Nov 22, 7:34 am, Larry wrote:
"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote innews:R9h1j.18212$701.1027@trndny08:

Who knows.

I don't think those labels make any difference any more. Manufacturers
aren't really manufacturers any more, just brokers for obscure
manufacturer contractors noone ever heard of.

Case in point. I had a Honda EM5000X 5.5KW genset. It had a slant-
cylinder 11HP OHV 4-stroke engine on it that said HONDA all over it.
Honda made the whole thing, generator and all, painted Honda red......and
quite expensive because of it. It was a great generator, too!

But, roaming inside Pep Boys looking for something, I stumbled upon a
whole rack of Chinese generators from manufacturers I couldn't even
pronounce. I saw a familiar shaped engine on a 6KW Chinese model and
took a closer look. There sat my HONDA 11hp OHV 4-stroke
engine....EXACTLY what was on my Honda genset....at 1/4 the price! Where
the HONDA genset had HONDA stamped into the aluminum block....it was
blank on this engine. There were unused motor mounts on this block that
HONDA used to mount the motor to the frame. It had the same carb, same
valve cover without HONDA stamped into it, same everything except the
name.

Just like electronics, the company whos name is emblazoned on the cabinet
is only the broker for the manufacturer in Foo Man Chu you never will
hear of. Chuck Hung Lo Manufacturing and Storm Door, Foo Man Chu, PRC.

Larry
--
Xterm IS the ultimate video game...(c;

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:47:35 GMT, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
wrote:


"Larry" wrote in message
.. .
"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in
news:R9h1j.18212$701.1027@trndny08:

Who knows.


I don't think those labels make any difference any more. Manufacturers
aren't really manufacturers any more, just brokers for obscure
manufacturer contractors noone ever heard of.
Quite a bit cut

Larry
--
Xterm IS the ultimate video game...(c;

================================================= ================================

Larry ,, you once again make sound points. I am at the "just looking" stage
so I'm able to look, think, decide.
One funny quirt of the diesel marine engine market; there are no prices on
their web sites. Take a look at Beta.
They have just about everything and anything a boat owner would ever need to
know when thinking about or actually
doing/installing a repower. But NO PRICES. Nope. It always says "call
this xxxx number for a price". I find this very strange.

I wonder if it is because they use a Kubota motor and just marine it.

I think I understand the "marine changes" part but now I'm not sure.

What if a boat owner just bought a Kubota motor, like the one that Beta
uses. What is the difference between the Kubota and the
marine Beta. I realize that the motor will need a heat exchanger,
alternator, etc.

Do you know?

Any other well thought out ideas?

Thanks


In Thailand it is quite common to find Kubota engines in boats. There
is a shop just down the road that builds them. The ones here come,
second hand, from Japan, get a water cooled manifold installed
(usually) and a long propeller shaft and are mounted on open fishing
boats.

I did ask the builder how they ran and he said that they seemed to
last for ever.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 13:35:13 -0500, jeff wrote:

wrote:

So, is Honda selling Chinese engines, or did Honda sell off an old
production line to China?


Or did a Chinese company make castings from a Honda? Or is a company
that contracts with Honda running a "midnight production line" or are
they selling off the defects?

A few years ago I was seriously considering the Chinese Honda knockoff
(the one discussed here that's yellow instead of red) and wondering if
the potential repair hassle was worth saving a few hundred bucks. Then
a friend called asking if I wanted a good deal with a Honda dealer and
the choice became clear.

On a different but similar front, my sewing machine was made on the same
production line as the Sailrite, but not to their standards. Sailrite
shut down all the "zig-zag/walking foot" variants like mine. I've
talked to Matt Grant a few times, and while he's happy to sell me parts
and give a bit of advice, he won't do repairs.

Here in Thailand there is an engine named a "Robin" that is an exact
copy of a Honda and about 1/2 - 2/3 the cost. I talked to an engine
repair shop about whether to buy a Robin or a Honda and they
recommended the Robin.

Now, cost is a big issue with Thais so I don't know whether the
recommendation was based on service life or initial cost but as they
looked identical and these small air cooled engines are basically a
throw away item it probably doesn't matter.

The Robin and Honda engines appear to be exactly the same engine
except for the name decal..

On a different subject the "Sailrite" zig-zag machine was a standard
Brother machine that they re-labeled and sold in a "portable box"
rather then the standard commercial machine table. I bought the
identical model in Singapore for less then half Sailrite's price and
built my own cabinet. Good machine.




Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

I talked to an engine
repair shop about whether to buy a Robin or a Honda and they
recommended the Robin.

Uh, sure they did. If it's a cheap knock-off and it breaks then that REPAIR
shop will get more business.

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

Captain Roger ..

Interesting ... as I goofed around looking at diesels, the dollar problem
became "real". Most of the diesels are
manufactured overseas. Beta=England. Yanmar=Japan, I think.

The price of a 16hp Beta in England? About 4,000 pounds sterling. That
works out to something like $8,244, I think.

As the dollar goes down down down ... how will anyone afford any of the
parts, engines, etc made offshore.

Wouldn't you think an American manufacturer of diesel engines could build a
small diesel such as the Kubota/Beta 16hp

Even the Chinese money is going up compared to the dollar!

Hello fellow sailors .. we are going broke.

At the present rate of US spending, no savings, the war ,, etc... how does
one say "soup".

==

Roger,, I may still sell my boat. Not sure. As long as I own her, I must
take care of her.

===





"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
So you're going to keep the boat? Good move I think. It looked like a
great boat when I saw it and I think you would find something smaller
disappointing when you actually started sailing it. Docking might be
easier but the waves will be the same size and that is a very comfortable
boat.

It's hard for me to imagine putting anything in but a Yanmar considering
what a great engine I have in my boat. That's emotion however. As
pointed out elsewhere, the Yanmar of 1980 could be a very different
animal. Today's Yanmar could be from anywhere although I've heard nothing
even slightly negative about them. A friend was going to go with a Beta
for his repower. I tried to get him to take a closer look at Yanmar but
everything he sent me on Beta and the quality of their service and support
looked great. I couldn't see any reason to try to change his mind.

No diesel is going to work very hard in a sailboat and with the amount of
sailing you do. The "best" choice is probably secondary to ease of
conversion and how well it fits in. Don't make the mistake of putting in
more horsepower than the prop can use. If you don't feel underpowered
with the A4, put in the same or slightly less for a diesel.

--
Roger Long

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

Captain Roger .. is your Yanmar a 2 cylinder diesel?

I should remember,, but my brain is off until 2008.

Have you ever heard of a Phasor diesel? I came across one of these.

I certainaly am no expert .. but it looked like a copy of the Beta motor.

I think Phasor even uses the same Kubota block.

==
"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
So you're going to keep the boat? Good move I think. It looked like a
great boat when I saw it and I think you would find something smaller
disappointing when you actually started sailing it. Docking might be
easier but the waves will be the same size and that is a very comfortable
boat.

It's hard for me to imagine putting anything in but a Yanmar considering
what a great engine I have in my boat. That's emotion however. As
pointed out elsewhere, the Yanmar of 1980 could be a very different
animal. Today's Yanmar could be from anywhere although I've heard nothing
even slightly negative about them. A friend was going to go with a Beta
for his repower. I tried to get him to take a closer look at Yanmar but
everything he sent me on Beta and the quality of their service and support
looked great. I couldn't see any reason to try to change his mind.

No diesel is going to work very hard in a sailboat and with the amount of
sailing you do. The "best" choice is probably secondary to ease of
conversion and how well it fits in. Don't make the mistake of putting in
more horsepower than the prop can use. If you don't feel underpowered
with the A4, put in the same or slightly less for a diesel.

--
Roger Long

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:44:03 -0500, "Bill Kearney"
wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:

I talked to an engine
repair shop about whether to buy a Robin or a Honda and they
recommended the Robin.

Uh, sure they did. If it's a cheap knock-off and it breaks then that REPAIR
shop will get more business.

I sure wish you had quoted the whole of my message. It would make both
of us look less like fools. Please reread the portion of the original
message you neglected to quote, below.

quote
Here in Thailand there is an engine named a "Robin" that is an exact
copy of a Honda and about 1/2 - 2/3 the cost. I talked to an engine
repair shop about whether to buy a Robin or a Honda and they
recommended the Robin.

Now, cost is a big issue with Thais so I don't know whether the
recommendation was based on service life or initial cost but as they
looked identical and these small air cooled engines are basically a
throw away item it probably doesn't matter
unquote


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:44:03 -0500, "Bill Kearney"
wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:

I talked to an engine
repair shop about whether to buy a Robin or a Honda and they
recommended the Robin.

Uh, sure they did. If it's a cheap knock-off and it breaks then that REPAIR
shop will get more business.

The Robin is a Subaru brand. Subaru boxer engines out of cars power
some light homebuilt aircraft. Next to no Honda engines are used for
that purpose

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

On 2007-11-24 14:02:45 -0500, "Roger Long" said:

"Brian Whatcott" wrote

The Robin is a Subaru brand. Subaru boxer engines out of cars power
some light homebuilt aircraft. Next to no Honda engines are used for
that purpose

Subaru engines originally started out as aircraft engines and then were
reworked for cars so it's a lot easier to backtrack than to convert an
engine designed for autos into an aircraft engine. Any small plane
pilot who looks under a Subaru hood for the first time usually says,
"Hey!"

This is the first I've heard of Subaru engines being used for light
aircraft. VW yes, Suby no. Always wondered, as I *did* have that "Hey!"
moment -- which is one reason I'm on my second Subaru.

Astounds me that the first water-cooled aircraft engine I heard about
was in, I believe, Voyager -- the first plane to fly around the world
without refueling, and that was only 20-25 years ago.

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:01:25 -0600, Brian Whatcott
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:44:03 -0500, "Bill Kearney"
wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:

I talked to an engine
repair shop about whether to buy a Robin or a Honda and they
recommended the Robin.

Uh, sure they did. If it's a cheap knock-off and it breaks then that REPAIR
shop will get more business.

The Robin is a Subaru brand. Subaru boxer engines out of cars power
some light homebuilt aircraft. Next to no Honda engines are used for
that purpose

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

The robin may be a Subaru brand but as I stated they look exactly like
a Honda 5 HP air cooled single cylinder "lawn mower" engine. I doubt
that they are used in home built aircraft.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:54:43 -0500, "Roger Long"
wrote:

I think they were actually air cooled when they were aircraft engines.
Different cylinders.

I think the VW bug engine, another horizontally opposed configuration, also
started out as an aircraft engine and they are often converted to that use.

The original volkswagen engine was designed at the same time as the
car and was not an aircraft engine (at least in original intent). I've
seen copies of the original Porsche designed "People's Car" design
drawings and certainly the engine design was part of the original
design. And, remember that the first Porsche's had very thinly
disguised volkswagen engines installed.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:09:17 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:


The robin may be a Subaru brand but as I stated they look exactly like
a Honda 5 HP air cooled single cylinder "lawn mower" engine. I doubt
that they are used in home built aircraft.


Bruce-in-Bangkok

5 HP may be suitable for large models, but is low for man rated
aircraft. 1 c.c. model diesels could put out 1 HP at high revs.

Think 60 HP on up.... (Come to think of it though,
the VW was rated 28 HP at some build state...)

Brian W

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 22:21:39 -0600, Brian Whatcott
wrote:

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:09:17 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:


The robin may be a Subaru brand but as I stated they look exactly like
a Honda 5 HP air cooled single cylinder "lawn mower" engine. I doubt
that they are used in home built aircraft.


Bruce-in-Bangkok

5 HP may be suitable for large models, but is low for man rated
aircraft. 1 c.c. model diesels could put out 1 HP at high revs.

Think 60 HP on up.... (Come to think of it though,
the VW was rated 28 HP at some build state...)

Brian W


True, but the original post was about seeing a Robin and a Honda in a
shop. The inference was (I thought) that we were talking about low
horsepower as the previous discussion that led to this post was
regarding 1 - 3 KW generators which equates to 1 - 5 HP engines.

At one time I did a fair amount of work on VW engines and I frankly
never thought much of them. Given that they were originally designed
to be installed in a car that sold for a few hundred dollars they were
probably suitable but I always wondered about putting them in an
airplane as the "thrust bearing" was the rear flange of the rear main
bearing and play was adjusted by placing shims between the flywheel
and its mounting flange.

I assume that when they were installed in a home built they must have
had some additional thrust bearing added.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)

Repower engine :: Phasor .. ever hear of it?
 

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:46:23 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:


I assume that when they (VWs) were installed in a
home built they must have
had some additional thrust bearing added.

Bruce-in-Bangkok

Some do, but more don't, it appears.

Brian W