singlehanded racing
 

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:13:22 GMT, Jonathan
wrote:



Schooner Creek built an almost bulletproof boat,with the wood and foam
sandwich, and Tom Wylie designed it to be fast *and* seaworthy. Unlike
many of the others, it is not stable upside down.

How did he accomplish that? I know Wylie is a good naval architect,
but AFIK all other boats of that sort use airbags that lift the stern
to make them unstable upside down.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a

"WooWooism lives" Anon grafitto on the base of the Cuttyhunk breakwater light

singlehanded racing
 

Basically, Ocean Planet is about 1/3 narrower than most of her
competition, and, as I understand it, much better going to windward.
See: http://www.bruceschwab.com/usa05.cfm for a little more
detail.

Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:13:22 GMT, Jonathan
wrote:



Schooner Creek built an almost bulletproof boat,with the wood and foam
sandwich, and Tom Wylie designed it to be fast *and* seaworthy. Unlike
many of the others, it is not stable upside down.


How did he accomplish that? I know Wylie is a good naval architect,
but AFIK all other boats of that sort use airbags that lift the stern
to make them unstable upside down.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a

"WooWooism lives" Anon grafitto on the base of the Cuttyhunk breakwater light

singlehanded racing
 

Basically, Ocean Planet is about 1/3 narrower than most of her
competition, and, as I understand it, much better going to windward.
See: http://www.bruceschwab.com/usa05.cfm for a little more
detail.

Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:13:22 GMT, Jonathan
wrote:



Schooner Creek built an almost bulletproof boat,with the wood and foam
sandwich, and Tom Wylie designed it to be fast *and* seaworthy. Unlike
many of the others, it is not stable upside down.


How did he accomplish that? I know Wylie is a good naval architect,
but AFIK all other boats of that sort use airbags that lift the stern
to make them unstable upside down.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a

"WooWooism lives" Anon grafitto on the base of the Cuttyhunk breakwater light

singlehanded racing
 

Armond Perretta wrote:

But asking
folks to pay for an individual's dream is, in many cases, just another
instance of dueling with windmills.

Actually, many innovative efforts depended mostly on private belivers
because large enterprises favor conservative CYA in their investments.
When large company comes "on-line" it's either because they see a
no-brainer profit or because one individual can call his personal shots
regardless. We don't have any real obvious profit here, and the
individual aspect is just a one person contributing, writ very large.

I suspect that real (bureaucratic) corporate money would essentially
squeeze out Bruce Schwab, at least in the medium to long run. So this
situation looks to me to be normal not in any sense an U.S. peculiarity.

I suspect that his best bet would still be the individual appeal to
people close to boating. There are likely only 200 or fewer monied or
connected families or individuals in the U.S. that are "into" boating.
An inclusive list probably exists in the records of any of the America's
Cup programs of the past 10 years. This would be the first place to
promote this type of project. Besides direct donations, these people
could be asked to legitimize Bruce's program amoung their immediate
peers, as well as the local sailing community. William F Buckley springs
to mind. He loved sailing and his son spent much time with him on boats.
That is the sort of person I'm talking about, where you get a solid
sailing connection in the family with a certain amount of money and
potential influence.

After that (continuously repeated) appeal, it would make sense to ensure
that small sailing clubs around the U.S. knew his name and dream and
make sure that it's totally easy to make a small contribution. Ideally,
he'd put his name in front of every sailer out there, and some kind of
pyramid scheme would be needed to do this. Small clubs and groups seem
the most likely way to get started. Perhaps a "need list" or wish list
of small items which small groups or individuals could contribute would
allow them to get involved. Heck, maybe Doyle would agree to "retire"
one of his sails after the race and have it inscribed with the name of
every individual who contributed - then it could be hung or "flown" at
the Maritine museum in SF for one year or something. Thousands of
tourists go through there every year, and daddy could show his name to
his kids...

People respond to the opportunity to make a difference and/or to be
recognized and Bruce actually has much more to offer in this respect
than most other racers. However, grass roots movements need some
fanatical genius to manage and organize all the bits and pieces and that
person is hard to find.

Rufus

singlehanded racing
 

Armond Perretta wrote:

But asking
folks to pay for an individual's dream is, in many cases, just another
instance of dueling with windmills.

Actually, many innovative efforts depended mostly on private belivers
because large enterprises favor conservative CYA in their investments.
When large company comes "on-line" it's either because they see a
no-brainer profit or because one individual can call his personal shots
regardless. We don't have any real obvious profit here, and the
individual aspect is just a one person contributing, writ very large.

I suspect that real (bureaucratic) corporate money would essentially
squeeze out Bruce Schwab, at least in the medium to long run. So this
situation looks to me to be normal not in any sense an U.S. peculiarity.

I suspect that his best bet would still be the individual appeal to
people close to boating. There are likely only 200 or fewer monied or
connected families or individuals in the U.S. that are "into" boating.
An inclusive list probably exists in the records of any of the America's
Cup programs of the past 10 years. This would be the first place to
promote this type of project. Besides direct donations, these people
could be asked to legitimize Bruce's program amoung their immediate
peers, as well as the local sailing community. William F Buckley springs
to mind. He loved sailing and his son spent much time with him on boats.
That is the sort of person I'm talking about, where you get a solid
sailing connection in the family with a certain amount of money and
potential influence.

After that (continuously repeated) appeal, it would make sense to ensure
that small sailing clubs around the U.S. knew his name and dream and
make sure that it's totally easy to make a small contribution. Ideally,
he'd put his name in front of every sailer out there, and some kind of
pyramid scheme would be needed to do this. Small clubs and groups seem
the most likely way to get started. Perhaps a "need list" or wish list
of small items which small groups or individuals could contribute would
allow them to get involved. Heck, maybe Doyle would agree to "retire"
one of his sails after the race and have it inscribed with the name of
every individual who contributed - then it could be hung or "flown" at
the Maritine museum in SF for one year or something. Thousands of
tourists go through there every year, and daddy could show his name to
his kids...

People respond to the opportunity to make a difference and/or to be
recognized and Bruce actually has much more to offer in this respect
than most other racers. However, grass roots movements need some
fanatical genius to manage and organize all the bits and pieces and that
person is hard to find.

Rufus

singlehanded racing
 

In article ,
Jonathan wrote:

I've seen a lot of really bright people on this forum over the years,
with a lot of insight into different aspect of the sailing world, and I
am hoping a dialogue might develop as to why American corporations, in
general, so far, are not interested. Also, if anyone might have ideas,
or relationships with any large companies who might be interested.

I thank anyone who reads this through and responds, and apologize if it
crosses any boundaries. A lot of us dream about circumnavigation, this
guy is out and doing it, indeed, practically commuting that way.

Sailing, to the normal person (admit it, none of us is really normal),
is an elitist sport, of little interest to them. The only TV ad I can
recall that uses sail boats is for a bank or broker, as a symbol of
their excellence.

The corporations that sponsor races, particularly the bleeding edge ones
like the Vendee, either are in the biz or have an executive that is so
into sailing that he (usually) doesn't care about how few people see the
ads or logos.

Most of us cruising or working towards it are being pretty cheap to
build up the cruising kitty. If we could bankroll Bruce, we'd be out
there, doing it.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

singlehanded racing
 

In article ,
Jonathan wrote:

I've seen a lot of really bright people on this forum over the years,
with a lot of insight into different aspect of the sailing world, and I
am hoping a dialogue might develop as to why American corporations, in
general, so far, are not interested. Also, if anyone might have ideas,
or relationships with any large companies who might be interested.

I thank anyone who reads this through and responds, and apologize if it
crosses any boundaries. A lot of us dream about circumnavigation, this
guy is out and doing it, indeed, practically commuting that way.

Sailing, to the normal person (admit it, none of us is really normal),
is an elitist sport, of little interest to them. The only TV ad I can
recall that uses sail boats is for a bank or broker, as a symbol of
their excellence.

The corporations that sponsor races, particularly the bleeding edge ones
like the Vendee, either are in the biz or have an executive that is so
into sailing that he (usually) doesn't care about how few people see the
ads or logos.

Most of us cruising or working towards it are being pretty cheap to
build up the cruising kitty. If we could bankroll Bruce, we'd be out
there, doing it.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

singlehanded racing
 

"Rodney Myrvaagnes" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:13:22 GMT, Jonathan
wrote:



Schooner Creek built an almost bulletproof boat,with the wood and foam
sandwich, and Tom Wylie designed it to be fast *and* seaworthy. Unlike
many of the others, it is not stable upside down.

How did he accomplish that? I know Wylie is a good naval architect,
but AFIK all other boats of that sort use airbags that lift the stern
to make them unstable upside down.

It's a lot less beamy and has a big "bubble" type coachroof.


--
Evan Gatehouse

you'll have to rewrite my email address to get to me
ceilydh AT 3web dot net
(fools the spammers)

singlehanded racing
 

"Rodney Myrvaagnes" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:13:22 GMT, Jonathan
wrote:



Schooner Creek built an almost bulletproof boat,with the wood and foam
sandwich, and Tom Wylie designed it to be fast *and* seaworthy. Unlike
many of the others, it is not stable upside down.

How did he accomplish that? I know Wylie is a good naval architect,
but AFIK all other boats of that sort use airbags that lift the stern
to make them unstable upside down.

It's a lot less beamy and has a big "bubble" type coachroof.


--
Evan Gatehouse

you'll have to rewrite my email address to get to me
ceilydh AT 3web dot net
(fools the spammers)