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For the past couple of weekends I have been working with Bruce Schwab on
his wood, foam and fiberglass Open 60, Ocean Planet. It's an interesting boat with two layers of fin birch laid over the mold, an inch of foam and then glass, with carbon fiber scattered throughout. A Tom Wylie design, built at Schooner Creek Boatworks, the mast is unstayed. Bruce has been pushing hard for more than three years in preparation for the upcoming Vendee Globe, a non stop, single handed round the world race, starting on November 7, 2004. The boat has been built, upgraded and maintained almost entirely with individual donations. Money by some, and labor by others (like me :). While he has had some supplier sponsors, like Maas Epoxy, Nobletec software, and Doyle sails, and many others, he has not been able to hook up with a major sponsor. He finished the Around Alone, while not knowing if he would have enough money at each stop to provision for the next leg of the race. It would seem to me that an American company would be interested in supporting the drive to be the first American to officially finish the Vendee Globe. A producer for KCSM-TV, the local education channel in the San Francisco Bay Area, where Bruce is from, and who wants to do a documentary on the race, has said, " "The Vendée is unlike any other race -- in any sport --- anywhere in the world. Only a fraction of the skippers entered will complete the three-month journey. The physical, emotional, and psychological strength needed to survive the months of solitude against nature's toughest ocean waters are demanding and deadly. Disaster isn't just a possibility - it is a daily occurrence. It is so dangerous, expensive, and difficult that more people reached the summit of Mount Everest last year, than have ever finished the Vendée Globe. These links www.oceanplanet.org and www.bruceschwab.com will take you to the original Ocean Planet website, and to the newer site, engineered by the marketing guys at everyocean.com. Also, Sailing Anarchy , www.sailinganarchy.com has archived all posts, from the start of the trip to Newport, RI from California to the end of the Around Alone. I've seen a lot of really bright people on this forum over the years, with a lot of insight into different aspect of the sailing world, and I am hoping a dialogue might develop as to why American corporations, in general, so far, are not interested. Also, if anyone might have ideas, or relationships with any large companies who might be interested. I thank anyone who reads this through and responds, and apologize if it crosses any boundaries. A lot of us dream about circumnavigation, this guy is out and doing it, indeed, practically commuting that way. Thanks, Jonathan |
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Jonathan wrote:
I've seen a lot of really bright people on this forum over the years, with a lot of insight into different aspect of the sailing world, and I am hoping a dialogue might develop as to why American corporations, in general, so far, are not interested ... First of all, _some_ American Corporations _are_ interested. Until it was subsumed by BOC, Airco, a New Jersey-based industrial gas company then headed by Richard Giordano, was a big supporter of sailboat racing. The reason was simple: Giordano liked boats. Later the "BOC" Round-the-World Race merely _appeared_ to be a Brit-only effort. Giordano had moved to the UK to head up British Oxygen. Similarly, Larry Ellison of Oracle and one or another of the Disney brats have been supporting sailing and sailboat racing for a very long time, thanks both to big wallets, and to a personal interest in the activity. This is nothing new. Corporate America, in the guise of individual business moguls, has contributed heavily to funding yacht racing for a very long time. You won't find a lot of the McDonald's set on the membership lists of the Cruising Club of America or the NYYC, and that's where the "old" Cup money originated. Corporate support for this rich man's pleasure dates back beyond the days when the yacht "America" was stealing all the silverware over in the UK. The simple fact is that American corporations are not interested in spending money to promote sailboat racing because American _consumers_ are not interested in sailboat racing. The average American considers the activity an elitist affectation, and he or she is not going to devote a precious Sunday afternoon to watching an ESPN presentation on the sport. You are talking about an activity that is essentially unknown, and unloved, on Main Street USA. Until you can convince corporate marketers and advertisers that there's money to be made by plastering their names on the sides of a few arcane and slightly dangerous racing boats, you will not have much luck. For my part, I'd rather see the money go to better and more ethical accounting and business practices. Once Enron has repaid the millions in retiree pension money that has somehow vanished into Ken Lay's swimming pool, and once Halliburton has refunded the millions in overcharges _still_ going on in the Mideast, there'll be plenty of time for yachting. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.tripod.com |
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Jonathan wrote:
I've seen a lot of really bright people on this forum over the years, with a lot of insight into different aspect of the sailing world, and I am hoping a dialogue might develop as to why American corporations, in general, so far, are not interested ... First of all, _some_ American Corporations _are_ interested. Until it was subsumed by BOC, Airco, a New Jersey-based industrial gas company then headed by Richard Giordano, was a big supporter of sailboat racing. The reason was simple: Giordano liked boats. Later the "BOC" Round-the-World Race merely _appeared_ to be a Brit-only effort. Giordano had moved to the UK to head up British Oxygen. Similarly, Larry Ellison of Oracle and one or another of the Disney brats have been supporting sailing and sailboat racing for a very long time, thanks both to big wallets, and to a personal interest in the activity. This is nothing new. Corporate America, in the guise of individual business moguls, has contributed heavily to funding yacht racing for a very long time. You won't find a lot of the McDonald's set on the membership lists of the Cruising Club of America or the NYYC, and that's where the "old" Cup money originated. Corporate support for this rich man's pleasure dates back beyond the days when the yacht "America" was stealing all the silverware over in the UK. The simple fact is that American corporations are not interested in spending money to promote sailboat racing because American _consumers_ are not interested in sailboat racing. The average American considers the activity an elitist affectation, and he or she is not going to devote a precious Sunday afternoon to watching an ESPN presentation on the sport. You are talking about an activity that is essentially unknown, and unloved, on Main Street USA. Until you can convince corporate marketers and advertisers that there's money to be made by plastering their names on the sides of a few arcane and slightly dangerous racing boats, you will not have much luck. For my part, I'd rather see the money go to better and more ethical accounting and business practices. Once Enron has repaid the millions in retiree pension money that has somehow vanished into Ken Lay's swimming pool, and once Halliburton has refunded the millions in overcharges _still_ going on in the Mideast, there'll be plenty of time for yachting. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.tripod.com |
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"I guess you just couldn't resist the political crap, eh?"
And....what's YOUR response to Jonathan's mail? We're waiting....... -- c ya Wim www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html "WaIIy" wrote in message ... : On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:19:54 -0500, "Armond Perretta" : wrote: : : Until you can convince corporate marketers and advertisers that there's : money to be made by plastering their names on the sides of a few arcane and : slightly dangerous racing boats, you will not have much luck. : For my part, I'd rather see the money go to better and more ethical : accounting and business practices. Once Enron has repaid the millions in : retiree pension money that has somehow vanished into Ken Lay's swimming : pool, and once Halliburton has refunded the millions in overcharges _still_ : going on in the Mideast, there'll be plenty of time for yachting. : : I guess you just couldn't resist the political crap, eh? |
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"I guess you just couldn't resist the political crap, eh?"
And....what's YOUR response to Jonathan's mail? We're waiting....... -- c ya Wim www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html "WaIIy" wrote in message ... : On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:19:54 -0500, "Armond Perretta" : wrote: : : Until you can convince corporate marketers and advertisers that there's : money to be made by plastering their names on the sides of a few arcane and : slightly dangerous racing boats, you will not have much luck. : For my part, I'd rather see the money go to better and more ethical : accounting and business practices. Once Enron has repaid the millions in : retiree pension money that has somehow vanished into Ken Lay's swimming : pool, and once Halliburton has refunded the millions in overcharges _still_ : going on in the Mideast, there'll be plenty of time for yachting. : : I guess you just couldn't resist the political crap, eh? |
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At least it's a response, although a discouraging one.
I like the underdog, and I like driving toward an end. Probably why I wound up as a construction project manager. Bruce's drive is something to behold. Before the start of Around Alone, he was playing guitar in some Newport,RI pubs for tips, cash was so tight. As you read the updates from the race, donations *just* barely made it in to fund the next leg, one leg at a time. Right now, he is working 10 hours a day,in heated space, in Portland, Maine, (incidentally, some of the lock machinery for the Panama Canal was produced in these buildings) donated by Phineas Sprague, owner of Portland Yacht Services. He's staying in a house with a family that offered to house and feed him, when I've gone up to work, I stay in another supporters spare bedroom. Schooner Creek built an almost bulletproof boat,with the wood and foam sandwich, and Tom Wylie designed it to be fast *and* seaworthy. Unlike many of the others, it is not stable upside down. When he finishes, he will be the first American to officially finish this endurance trial. You would think that this demonstration of the classic American pursuit of a difficult objective would light the interest of somebody with some serious bucks. Potential media connections, and planned projects appear to be good, www.bruceschwab.com/partners Sportsbyline.com, the Sirius network, PBS in Seattle all have projects planned that would provide a lot of corporate exposure. The educational alliance with www.reachtheworld.org seems to be a positive link in an effort to fire the imaginations of schoolchildren. Yet a question about wax will generate more conversation here. Oh well. If anyone has any ideas, or knows someone with connections to a funding source, please reply, here, to me, or to Bruce Thanks, Jonathan Wim wrote: "I guess you just couldn't resist the political crap, eh?" And....what's YOUR response to Jonathan's mail? We're waiting....... |
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At least it's a response, although a discouraging one.
I like the underdog, and I like driving toward an end. Probably why I wound up as a construction project manager. Bruce's drive is something to behold. Before the start of Around Alone, he was playing guitar in some Newport,RI pubs for tips, cash was so tight. As you read the updates from the race, donations *just* barely made it in to fund the next leg, one leg at a time. Right now, he is working 10 hours a day,in heated space, in Portland, Maine, (incidentally, some of the lock machinery for the Panama Canal was produced in these buildings) donated by Phineas Sprague, owner of Portland Yacht Services. He's staying in a house with a family that offered to house and feed him, when I've gone up to work, I stay in another supporters spare bedroom. Schooner Creek built an almost bulletproof boat,with the wood and foam sandwich, and Tom Wylie designed it to be fast *and* seaworthy. Unlike many of the others, it is not stable upside down. When he finishes, he will be the first American to officially finish this endurance trial. You would think that this demonstration of the classic American pursuit of a difficult objective would light the interest of somebody with some serious bucks. Potential media connections, and planned projects appear to be good, www.bruceschwab.com/partners Sportsbyline.com, the Sirius network, PBS in Seattle all have projects planned that would provide a lot of corporate exposure. The educational alliance with www.reachtheworld.org seems to be a positive link in an effort to fire the imaginations of schoolchildren. Yet a question about wax will generate more conversation here. Oh well. If anyone has any ideas, or knows someone with connections to a funding source, please reply, here, to me, or to Bruce Thanks, Jonathan Wim wrote: "I guess you just couldn't resist the political crap, eh?" And....what's YOUR response to Jonathan's mail? We're waiting....... |
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Jonathan wrote:
Yet a question about wax will generate more conversation here. Jonathan, if it weren't for dreamers willing to take chances, we'd never have come ashore in the first place. Perhaps the reason a "wax thread" gets more business here than a "why not subsidize this" thread is that practical day-to-day people are interested in practical day-to-day" things. All politics is local, or something similar. I have listened to the "technical trickle-down" theory of offshore racing for a very long time, and I must admit that there are certainly aspects of everyday sailing that have benefited from offshore exotica. But asking folks to pay for an individual's dream is, in many cases, just another instance of dueling with windmills. Not that I don't wish you guys all the best. Be careful out there. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.tripod.com |
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Jonathan wrote:
Yet a question about wax will generate more conversation here. Jonathan, if it weren't for dreamers willing to take chances, we'd never have come ashore in the first place. Perhaps the reason a "wax thread" gets more business here than a "why not subsidize this" thread is that practical day-to-day people are interested in practical day-to-day" things. All politics is local, or something similar. I have listened to the "technical trickle-down" theory of offshore racing for a very long time, and I must admit that there are certainly aspects of everyday sailing that have benefited from offshore exotica. But asking folks to pay for an individual's dream is, in many cases, just another instance of dueling with windmills. Not that I don't wish you guys all the best. Be careful out there. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.tripod.com |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:13:22 GMT, Jonathan
wrote: Schooner Creek built an almost bulletproof boat,with the wood and foam sandwich, and Tom Wylie designed it to be fast *and* seaworthy. Unlike many of the others, it is not stable upside down. How did he accomplish that? I know Wylie is a good naval architect, but AFIK all other boats of that sort use airbags that lift the stern to make them unstable upside down. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a "WooWooism lives" Anon grafitto on the base of the Cuttyhunk breakwater light |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:13:22 GMT, Jonathan
wrote: Schooner Creek built an almost bulletproof boat,with the wood and foam sandwich, and Tom Wylie designed it to be fast *and* seaworthy. Unlike many of the others, it is not stable upside down. How did he accomplish that? I know Wylie is a good naval architect, but AFIK all other boats of that sort use airbags that lift the stern to make them unstable upside down. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a "WooWooism lives" Anon grafitto on the base of the Cuttyhunk breakwater light |
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Basically, Ocean Planet is about 1/3 narrower than most of her
competition, and, as I understand it, much better going to windward. See: http://www.bruceschwab.com/usa05.cfm for a little more detail. Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:13:22 GMT, Jonathan wrote: Schooner Creek built an almost bulletproof boat,with the wood and foam sandwich, and Tom Wylie designed it to be fast *and* seaworthy. Unlike many of the others, it is not stable upside down. How did he accomplish that? I know Wylie is a good naval architect, but AFIK all other boats of that sort use airbags that lift the stern to make them unstable upside down. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a "WooWooism lives" Anon grafitto on the base of the Cuttyhunk breakwater light |
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Basically, Ocean Planet is about 1/3 narrower than most of her
competition, and, as I understand it, much better going to windward. See: http://www.bruceschwab.com/usa05.cfm for a little more detail. Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:13:22 GMT, Jonathan wrote: Schooner Creek built an almost bulletproof boat,with the wood and foam sandwich, and Tom Wylie designed it to be fast *and* seaworthy. Unlike many of the others, it is not stable upside down. How did he accomplish that? I know Wylie is a good naval architect, but AFIK all other boats of that sort use airbags that lift the stern to make them unstable upside down. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a "WooWooism lives" Anon grafitto on the base of the Cuttyhunk breakwater light |
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Armond Perretta wrote:
But asking folks to pay for an individual's dream is, in many cases, just another instance of dueling with windmills. Actually, many innovative efforts depended mostly on private belivers because large enterprises favor conservative CYA in their investments. When large company comes "on-line" it's either because they see a no-brainer profit or because one individual can call his personal shots regardless. We don't have any real obvious profit here, and the individual aspect is just a one person contributing, writ very large. I suspect that real (bureaucratic) corporate money would essentially squeeze out Bruce Schwab, at least in the medium to long run. So this situation looks to me to be normal not in any sense an U.S. peculiarity. I suspect that his best bet would still be the individual appeal to people close to boating. There are likely only 200 or fewer monied or connected families or individuals in the U.S. that are "into" boating. An inclusive list probably exists in the records of any of the America's Cup programs of the past 10 years. This would be the first place to promote this type of project. Besides direct donations, these people could be asked to legitimize Bruce's program amoung their immediate peers, as well as the local sailing community. William F Buckley springs to mind. He loved sailing and his son spent much time with him on boats. That is the sort of person I'm talking about, where you get a solid sailing connection in the family with a certain amount of money and potential influence. After that (continuously repeated) appeal, it would make sense to ensure that small sailing clubs around the U.S. knew his name and dream and make sure that it's totally easy to make a small contribution. Ideally, he'd put his name in front of every sailer out there, and some kind of pyramid scheme would be needed to do this. Small clubs and groups seem the most likely way to get started. Perhaps a "need list" or wish list of small items which small groups or individuals could contribute would allow them to get involved. Heck, maybe Doyle would agree to "retire" one of his sails after the race and have it inscribed with the name of every individual who contributed - then it could be hung or "flown" at the Maritine museum in SF for one year or something. Thousands of tourists go through there every year, and daddy could show his name to his kids... People respond to the opportunity to make a difference and/or to be recognized and Bruce actually has much more to offer in this respect than most other racers. However, grass roots movements need some fanatical genius to manage and organize all the bits and pieces and that person is hard to find. Rufus |
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Armond Perretta wrote:
But asking folks to pay for an individual's dream is, in many cases, just another instance of dueling with windmills. Actually, many innovative efforts depended mostly on private belivers because large enterprises favor conservative CYA in their investments. When large company comes "on-line" it's either because they see a no-brainer profit or because one individual can call his personal shots regardless. We don't have any real obvious profit here, and the individual aspect is just a one person contributing, writ very large. I suspect that real (bureaucratic) corporate money would essentially squeeze out Bruce Schwab, at least in the medium to long run. So this situation looks to me to be normal not in any sense an U.S. peculiarity. I suspect that his best bet would still be the individual appeal to people close to boating. There are likely only 200 or fewer monied or connected families or individuals in the U.S. that are "into" boating. An inclusive list probably exists in the records of any of the America's Cup programs of the past 10 years. This would be the first place to promote this type of project. Besides direct donations, these people could be asked to legitimize Bruce's program amoung their immediate peers, as well as the local sailing community. William F Buckley springs to mind. He loved sailing and his son spent much time with him on boats. That is the sort of person I'm talking about, where you get a solid sailing connection in the family with a certain amount of money and potential influence. After that (continuously repeated) appeal, it would make sense to ensure that small sailing clubs around the U.S. knew his name and dream and make sure that it's totally easy to make a small contribution. Ideally, he'd put his name in front of every sailer out there, and some kind of pyramid scheme would be needed to do this. Small clubs and groups seem the most likely way to get started. Perhaps a "need list" or wish list of small items which small groups or individuals could contribute would allow them to get involved. Heck, maybe Doyle would agree to "retire" one of his sails after the race and have it inscribed with the name of every individual who contributed - then it could be hung or "flown" at the Maritine museum in SF for one year or something. Thousands of tourists go through there every year, and daddy could show his name to his kids... People respond to the opportunity to make a difference and/or to be recognized and Bruce actually has much more to offer in this respect than most other racers. However, grass roots movements need some fanatical genius to manage and organize all the bits and pieces and that person is hard to find. Rufus |
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In article ,
Jonathan wrote: I've seen a lot of really bright people on this forum over the years, with a lot of insight into different aspect of the sailing world, and I am hoping a dialogue might develop as to why American corporations, in general, so far, are not interested. Also, if anyone might have ideas, or relationships with any large companies who might be interested. I thank anyone who reads this through and responds, and apologize if it crosses any boundaries. A lot of us dream about circumnavigation, this guy is out and doing it, indeed, practically commuting that way. Sailing, to the normal person (admit it, none of us is really normal), is an elitist sport, of little interest to them. The only TV ad I can recall that uses sail boats is for a bank or broker, as a symbol of their excellence. The corporations that sponsor races, particularly the bleeding edge ones like the Vendee, either are in the biz or have an executive that is so into sailing that he (usually) doesn't care about how few people see the ads or logos. Most of us cruising or working towards it are being pretty cheap to build up the cruising kitty. If we could bankroll Bruce, we'd be out there, doing it. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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In article ,
Jonathan wrote: I've seen a lot of really bright people on this forum over the years, with a lot of insight into different aspect of the sailing world, and I am hoping a dialogue might develop as to why American corporations, in general, so far, are not interested. Also, if anyone might have ideas, or relationships with any large companies who might be interested. I thank anyone who reads this through and responds, and apologize if it crosses any boundaries. A lot of us dream about circumnavigation, this guy is out and doing it, indeed, practically commuting that way. Sailing, to the normal person (admit it, none of us is really normal), is an elitist sport, of little interest to them. The only TV ad I can recall that uses sail boats is for a bank or broker, as a symbol of their excellence. The corporations that sponsor races, particularly the bleeding edge ones like the Vendee, either are in the biz or have an executive that is so into sailing that he (usually) doesn't care about how few people see the ads or logos. Most of us cruising or working towards it are being pretty cheap to build up the cruising kitty. If we could bankroll Bruce, we'd be out there, doing it. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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"Rodney Myrvaagnes" wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:13:22 GMT, Jonathan wrote: Schooner Creek built an almost bulletproof boat,with the wood and foam sandwich, and Tom Wylie designed it to be fast *and* seaworthy. Unlike many of the others, it is not stable upside down. How did he accomplish that? I know Wylie is a good naval architect, but AFIK all other boats of that sort use airbags that lift the stern to make them unstable upside down. It's a lot less beamy and has a big "bubble" type coachroof. -- Evan Gatehouse you'll have to rewrite my email address to get to me ceilydh AT 3web dot net (fools the spammers) |
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"Rodney Myrvaagnes" wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:13:22 GMT, Jonathan wrote: Schooner Creek built an almost bulletproof boat,with the wood and foam sandwich, and Tom Wylie designed it to be fast *and* seaworthy. Unlike many of the others, it is not stable upside down. How did he accomplish that? I know Wylie is a good naval architect, but AFIK all other boats of that sort use airbags that lift the stern to make them unstable upside down. It's a lot less beamy and has a big "bubble" type coachroof. -- Evan Gatehouse you'll have to rewrite my email address to get to me ceilydh AT 3web dot net (fools the spammers) |
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