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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.

Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)

Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger boat
does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate for it in
your case.


Children, children! My experience is I'd rather a power boat go by full
blast. They make smaller wakes of shorter duration going full blast than
when they slow down trying to be polite. Any sailor whose sailboat can't
take a powerboat wake without stuff flying off the shelves needs to get his
act together.

Wilbur Hubbard

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.
Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)
Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger boat
does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate for it in
your case.


Children, children! My experience is I'd rather a power boat go by full
blast. They make smaller wakes of shorter duration going full blast than
when they slow down trying to be polite. Any sailor whose sailboat can't
take a powerboat wake without stuff flying off the shelves needs to get his
act together.

Wilbur Hubbard




Really? Interesting, because when I come off plane and slow my boat way
down, there's no visible wake. There are bubbles. That's been true for
all the boats I've ever owned.

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Observant, considerate boaters whose craft throw up big wakes slow down
when they find themselves among other boaters so their wakes flatten out
and don't create a serious problem. Arrogant boaters don't slow down.

I certainly agree with that.

Eisboch

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news On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.
Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)
Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger
boat does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate
for it in your case.


Children, children! My experience is I'd rather a power boat go by full
blast. They make smaller wakes of shorter duration going full blast than
when they slow down trying to be polite. Any sailor whose sailboat can't
take a powerboat wake without stuff flying off the shelves needs to get
his act together.

Wilbur Hubbard


Really? Interesting, because when I come off plane and slow my boat way
down, there's no visible wake. There are bubbles. That's been true for
all the boats I've ever owned.

Duh. Are you dumb or something? Let's say the sailboat's motoring along at
six or seven knots. You need to be going about ten knots in your powerboat
in order to get around them in a timely manner. At ten knots your powerboat
is "plowing." That is it's making a big, slow, rolly wake. This slow wake is
worse than a high speed wake which has smaller waves at a higher frequency.

You're welcome.

Wilbur Hubbard

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:13:07 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

By way of example, I recently took my 11 foot inflatable RIB dinghy
for an afternoon ride on Pamlico Sound behind the Outer Banks of North
Carolina. This an area of open water frequented by large numbers of
sportfishing boats greater than 40 ft. You could argue that an 11 ft
RIB is not really suited for those conditions but there I was anyway.
Since the channel is none too wide in many places, I got waked at
least a dozen times. Uncomfortable? You bet. Dangerous?
Potentially. Nevertheless I was able to cope by managing my speed and
angle of approach. Did I get paranoid and accuse anyone of
deliberately endangering me? Heck no, I'm the one who chose to be in
their playground, in a potentially unsuitable boat.

Nice story, but that has nothing to do with the situation I described. If
you feel it was dangerous, you shouldn't have gone there in that.

Precisely.

These sportfish were moving fast however, and coming a lot closer than
you'd really like. No blood, no foul. It gets interesting if I'm
capsized however. They are resposible for their wake, we all know
that. What about my quesionable judgement however (too small a boat),
and failure to negotiate a dangerous wave in a seamanlike manner. Life
is complicated sometimes.


The difference is that where we were was not a place where one would expect
someone to come so close going so fast. There was simply no reason for him
to come as close as he did. He was just "in a hurry" without regard to
anyone else on the water.


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news On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.
Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)
Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger
boat does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate
for it in your case.

Children, children! My experience is I'd rather a power boat go by full
blast. They make smaller wakes of shorter duration going full blast than
when they slow down trying to be polite. Any sailor whose sailboat can't
take a powerboat wake without stuff flying off the shelves needs to get
his act together.

Wilbur Hubbard

Really? Interesting, because when I come off plane and slow my boat way
down, there's no visible wake. There are bubbles. That's been true for
all the boats I've ever owned.

Duh. Are you dumb or something? Let's say the sailboat's motoring along at
six or seven knots. You need to be going about ten knots in your powerboat
in order to get around them in a timely manner. At ten knots your powerboat
is "plowing." That is it's making a big, slow, rolly wake. This slow wake is
worse than a high speed wake which has smaller waves at a higher frequency.

You're welcome.

Wilbur Hubbard



Most of the sailboats I see out on Chesapeake Bay aren't motoring along
at any knots, they're under sail. And if I am following one up a narrow
river or inlet, I can get around it easily enough if I need to without
churning up a wake.

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:12:42 -0500, HK wrote:

I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about
their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake
Bay, and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries.

Why should anyone worry about their wake on Chesapeake Bay? It's open
water. The freighters don't worry about their wake, the Coast Guard
doesn't, The US Navy does not, tug boats don't. Wakes happen. On a
windy day the naturally occurring waves are 3 to 4 feet out there.

Not sure about the Chesapeake, but out here they certainly do care about
their wake. In the bay, frieghters have stand-on status, the Coasties
definitely slow down and know the rules when they pass another boat, and tug
boats when not engaged in operations, are courteous to a fault. Wakes happen
anyway, but not huge ones by arrogant Coasties or tugs.

Your transom is too low. Get over it, get a bigger boat, or don't go
out where the big boys play.



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www.sailnow.com

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:12:42 -0500, HK wrote:

I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about
their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake
Bay, and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries.
Why should anyone worry about their wake on Chesapeake Bay? It's open
water. The freighters don't worry about their wake, the Coast Guard
doesn't, The US Navy does not, tug boats don't. Wakes happen. On a
windy day the naturally occurring waves are 3 to 4 feet out there.

Not sure about the Chesapeake, but out here they certainly do care about
their wake. In the bay, frieghters have stand-on status, the Coasties
definitely slow down and know the rules when they pass another boat, and tug
boats when not engaged in operations, are courteous to a fault. Wakes happen
anyway, but not huge ones by arrogant Coasties or tugs.

Your transom is too low. Get over it, get a bigger boat, or don't go
out where the big boys play.





Wayne is very self-important on the bridge of his floating RV, and
obviously thinks the waterways are his alone. If you're in a smaller
boat, why, you shouldn't be in his way.

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:29:06 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger boat
does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate for it in
your case.

That seems uncalled for. What happened to "lead by example"?

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news On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.
Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)
Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger
boat does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate
for it in your case.

Children, children! My experience is I'd rather a power boat go by
full blast. They make smaller wakes of shorter duration going full
blast than when they slow down trying to be polite. Any sailor whose
sailboat can't take a powerboat wake without stuff flying off the
shelves needs to get his act together.

Wilbur Hubbard

Really? Interesting, because when I come off plane and slow my boat way
down, there's no visible wake. There are bubbles. That's been true for
all the boats I've ever owned.

Duh. Are you dumb or something? Let's say the sailboat's motoring along
at six or seven knots. You need to be going about ten knots in your
powerboat in order to get around them in a timely manner. At ten knots
your powerboat is "plowing." That is it's making a big, slow, rolly wake.
This slow wake is worse than a high speed wake which has smaller waves at
a higher frequency.

You're welcome.

Wilbur Hubbard

Most of the sailboats I see out on Chesapeake Bay aren't motoring along at
any knots, they're under sail. And if I am following one up a narrow river
or inlet, I can get around it easily enough if I need to without churning
up a wake.


Sailboats under sail are steadied by their sails. You have plenty of space
on the Bay to pass them full throttle if you want and you can leave plenty
of distance between you and them. Slowing down in that case is stupid. The
only time any real sailboat is bothered by a wake is when it's motoring
along in a channel. Then the wake comes on the beam or quarter and rolls it
like crazy. The faster you pass them (provided you pass at a safe distance)
the less your wake will bother them. Take my word for it.

Some might give you the #1 signal but those people are too dumb to realize a
fast wake with smaller, high frequency waves tosses their boat around far
less than those obnoxious slow rolly wakes. Those are the ones that are most
disruptive.

Wilbur Hubbard