HK wrote in
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Scotty wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:31:14 -0500, "Scotty"
wrote:
I heard he was trying 'to wake' a small sailboat and ran
too
close to the edge.


Do you really believe that people run around on the water
deliberately
trying to wake sailboats?


Some do, it's a fact. Ask the GC.


SBV




I've seen plenty of guys in floating RV-Condo boats coming down the
ICW,
oblivious to their wakes. They didn't give a damn they were damaging
shell banks, or rocking the hell out of small boats along the way.
Justice arrived when some of them ran aground on a sandbar a little
south of where we lived near St. Augustine.


I wrote a trip report (http://www.geoffschultz.org/Log_Page.php?id=980)
talking about a spot just S of St. Augustine where we watched a small
power boat go aground at full speed on a sand bar and then the couple
proceeded to beat the crap out of one another while calling each other
every name in the book. We called the marine patrol, but they never
showed up.

In that same report I lamented about travelling on the ICW on weekends.
I complained about:

Tons of boat traffic

Jet skies that use you as a slalom course

Boaters who don't know the rules

Boaters who know the rules and just don't care

A special case of the above is the Sports Fishing boats who have
important places to be and pass close by throwing up 4' wakes

Boaters who think that they're doing you a favor by going along at a
slow pace, but their speed is such that their stern is as deep in the
water as possible throwing up the maximum wake. I guess that falls under
#3.

Boats pulling skiers or people in tubes who fall right in front of you.

Too many people drinking and boating

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

"Geoff Schultz" wrote in
message .. .



Boaters who don't know the rules

Boaters who know the rules and just don't care

A special case of the above is the Sports Fishing boats
who have
important places to be and pass close by throwing up 4'
wakes


Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right
to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or
get off ''his'' waters.

Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2.



SBV

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:

Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right
to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or
get off ''his'' waters.

Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2.

============================

No whine before its time.

One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat"
implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if
any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I
suspected it.

That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away
from where the big boys play.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:

Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right
to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or
get off ''his'' waters.

Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2.

============================

No whine before its time.

One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat"
implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if
any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I
suspected it.

That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away
from where the big boys play.


Wayne... doesn't matter if it's intentional or not. You're responsible for
your wake. Having a bigger boat doesn't absolve you of your
responsibilities; it increases them.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:17:52 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Wayne... doesn't matter if it's intentional or not. You're responsible for
your wake. Having a bigger boat doesn't absolve you of your
responsibilities; it increases them.

The legality of being responsible for your wake is well understood.

It is understood to mean that you are responsible for damage caused by
your wake. It has been pointed out to me that my comment of "no
blood, no foul" was possibly flippant and insensitive. Perhaps. It
is however closely aligned with the legality of the issue. It is
always a judgement call just how much wake reduction is actually
called for in any given situation. I'm sure you'd agree that a kayak
or rowing shell is at much more risk from a wake than a 30 or 40
something sailboat. Most responsible powerboaters are faced with that
sort of decision process dozens of times in a typical afternoon on the
water. It is absolutely unreasonable to expect zero wake in every
circumstance unless you are on a boat that could actually be damaged
by a relatively small wave. The fact is that we hear of very few
cases where there is actual damage from a wake. So even though there
is a lot of complaining going on, very little actual carnage is taking
place. Insensitive? Frankly, I don't think so. I go out in both
small and large boats. When I'm out in a small one I expect others to
take reasonable precautions but I certainly don't expect flat water
much as I might like it. A good helmsman on a boat, small or large,
knows how to deal with a wake to minimize its effects. It's part of
boating.

By way of example, I recently took my 11 foot inflatable RIB dinghy
for an afternoon ride on Pamlico Sound behind the Outer Banks of North
Carolina. This an area of open water frequented by large numbers of
sportfishing boats greater than 40 ft. You could argue that an 11 ft
RIB is not really suited for those conditions but there I was anyway.
Since the channel is none too wide in many places, I got waked at
least a dozen times. Uncomfortable? You bet. Dangerous?
Potentially. Nevertheless I was able to cope by managing my speed and
angle of approach. Did I get paranoid and accuse anyone of
deliberately endangering me? Heck no, I'm the one who chose to be in
their playground, in a potentially unsuitable boat.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:17:52 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Wayne... doesn't matter if it's intentional or not. You're responsible for
your wake. Having a bigger boat doesn't absolve you of your
responsibilities; it increases them.

The legality of being responsible for your wake is well understood.

It is understood to mean that you are responsible for damage caused by
your wake. It has been pointed out to me that my comment of "no
blood, no foul" was possibly flippant and insensitive. Perhaps. It
is however closely aligned with the legality of the issue. It is
always a judgement call just how much wake reduction is actually
called for in any given situation. I'm sure you'd agree that a kayak
or rowing shell is at much more risk from a wake than a 30 or 40
something sailboat. Most responsible powerboaters are faced with that

Ah... the problem is that there are a lot of boaters (power and otherwise)
who are not acting responsibly.

sort of decision process dozens of times in a typical afternoon on the
water. It is absolutely unreasonable to expect zero wake in every
circumstance unless you are on a boat that could actually be damaged
by a relatively small wave. The fact is that we hear of very few
cases where there is actual damage from a wake. So even though there
is a lot of complaining going on, very little actual carnage is taking
place. Insensitive? Frankly, I don't think so. I go out in both

The issue seems to be that by talking about a large wake (in my professional
judgement) you claimed that I was whining and complaining without
justification. I believe my concerns were justified.

small and large boats. When I'm out in a small one I expect others to
take reasonable precautions but I certainly don't expect flat water
much as I might like it. A good helmsman on a boat, small or large,
knows how to deal with a wake to minimize its effects. It's part of
boating.

No one expects flat water. And, certain precautions can and should be taken.
Where do you see that I was unable or didn't do that? The PBer in question
was moving 5 or more times faster than we were, from astern of us, and came
dangerously close (in my professional opinion).

By way of example, I recently took my 11 foot inflatable RIB dinghy
for an afternoon ride on Pamlico Sound behind the Outer Banks of North
Carolina. This an area of open water frequented by large numbers of
sportfishing boats greater than 40 ft. You could argue that an 11 ft
RIB is not really suited for those conditions but there I was anyway.
Since the channel is none too wide in many places, I got waked at
least a dozen times. Uncomfortable? You bet. Dangerous?
Potentially. Nevertheless I was able to cope by managing my speed and
angle of approach. Did I get paranoid and accuse anyone of
deliberately endangering me? Heck no, I'm the one who chose to be in
their playground, in a potentially unsuitable boat.

Nice story, but that has nothing to do with the situation I described. If
you feel it was dangerous, you shouldn't have gone there in that.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:13:07 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

By way of example, I recently took my 11 foot inflatable RIB dinghy
for an afternoon ride on Pamlico Sound behind the Outer Banks of North
Carolina. This an area of open water frequented by large numbers of
sportfishing boats greater than 40 ft. You could argue that an 11 ft
RIB is not really suited for those conditions but there I was anyway.
Since the channel is none too wide in many places, I got waked at
least a dozen times. Uncomfortable? You bet. Dangerous?
Potentially. Nevertheless I was able to cope by managing my speed and
angle of approach. Did I get paranoid and accuse anyone of
deliberately endangering me? Heck no, I'm the one who chose to be in
their playground, in a potentially unsuitable boat.

Nice story, but that has nothing to do with the situation I described. If
you feel it was dangerous, you shouldn't have gone there in that.

Precisely.

These sportfish were moving fast however, and coming a lot closer than
you'd really like. No blood, no foul. It gets interesting if I'm
capsized however. They are resposible for their wake, we all know
that. What about my quesionable judgement however (too small a boat),
and failure to negotiate a dangerous wave in a seamanlike manner. Life
is complicated sometimes.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:

Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right
to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or
get off ''his'' waters.

Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2.

============================

No whine before its time.

One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat"
implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if
any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I
suspected it.

That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away
from where the big boys play.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:

Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right
to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or
get off ''his'' waters.

Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2.

============================

No whine before its time.

One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat"
implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if
any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I
suspected it.

That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away
from where the big boys play.



Geez...what an arrogant ass you are.

"HK" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:

Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right
to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or
get off ''his'' waters.

Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2.

============================

No whine before its time.

One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat"
implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if
any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I
suspected it.

That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away
from where the big boys play.



Geez...what an arrogant ass you are.

He's a 'professional boater'..don't ya know, heads & shoulders above the
common weekend recreational types.