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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:38:31 -0500, "mr.b" wrote: that's obvious...but not to the point...the discussion was about the ignorant and arrogant who pilot their stinktubs with what could be described as a less than cooperative spirit...like the moron described by the OP. A lot of it is a perception issue. People in larger, faster boats are percieved as being arrogant, particularly if they are well dressed or in the company of good looking women. You forgot to mention the beer gut and gold chains. Take that same person and put him down on your level in a sailboat and all of a sudden he is an educated, well spoken, all around nice guy. Funny how that works, eh? SBV |
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"mr.b" wrote in message ... On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:53:32 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: There is a class of considerate boaters who abide by the rules of good seamanship...and then there are the assholes...and some of them drive ragbaggers too. This thread started about a dumbass who passed too closely to a sailboat at speed while the capt of the stinktub is reported to have offered up the international handsign that announced his IQ. You shouldn't feel compelled to defend the undefendable. Apparently he's part of *that* class. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:00:11 -0500, "Scotty" wrote: Stop making excuses for your childish actions. Pot kettle black. Go back to your toy boat and continue whinning. Carry on. What is the size limit for a ''toy boat''? You sound like a 2nd grade bully. SBV |
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:51:23 -0400, "Robert Musgine"
wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Why are you stalking me? I'm not going to respond to a sockpuppet beyond this post... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com What is your definition of stalking? Why the ad hominen attack? Your story portays you as the victim of a powerboater, faulty engine maintenance (not done by you) and then some kayakers. We hear of your engine blowing steam, leaking oil, not operable, people in emminent danger and so on. Someone simply questions the story on nautical and psychological terms and now you paranoidinally accusing them of stalking you and acting incognito. Now you're saying the whole thing was no emergency, nothing was wrong, blah, blah, blah when it is suggested, in part, that most victims are volunteers. Can you ever find fault in yourself, even if it is just a smidgeon? Do you find it impossible to apologize? If you admit your own weaknesses you can work on improving them. Once one reads several of your posts they realize your attitude is "my way or the highway", that you are never at fault and somehow the world is out to get you. Such rigid thinking is only self fullfilling and makes your world a very unpleasant place. ?????????????????????????????? Ganz had the right of way because he was under sail in a narrow channel. He lost the right of way when he turned on the engine. Why can't any of the people here read the ColRegs or Inland rules and resolve the issue of right of way? It's no wonder the coastal areas are chock full of idiots. Take the psychobabble and put it where the sun doesn't shine buddy. This is a sailing forum, not some wet nurse looney bin. Axel |
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"Axel Merckx" wrote in message
... On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:51:23 -0400, "Robert Musgine" wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Why are you stalking me? I'm not going to respond to a sockpuppet beyond this post... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com drivel removed ?????????????????????????????? Ganz had the right of way because he was under sail in a narrow channel. He lost the right of way when he turned on the engine. Why can't any of the people here read the ColRegs or Inland rules and resolve the issue of right of way? It's no wonder the coastal areas are chock full of idiots. Bzzzt. Wrong. Would you like to try again? Heh... You do not lose a right of way unless you engage the engine. FYI, it was a nice try, and the person you've referenced is a stalker. Take the psychobabble and put it where the sun doesn't shine buddy. This is a sailing forum, not some wet nurse looney bin. Axel -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:04:09 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:
You forgot to mention the beer gut and gold chains. Gold chains? Why didn'y you say so, definitely arrogant and ignorant. That money could have been better spent on good anchor chain. |
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"jeff" wrote in message . .. snip .. However, I firmly believe that powerboaters tend to subconsciously alter course to pass in front of other boats rather than pass behind them. In fact, this will happpen to me several times a day: a powerboat that is on course to pass well behind me alters course and passes close ahead of me. I don't think it's done subconsciously. They do it to other powerboats because "they" don't want to be subjected to the other's wake. Certainly they understand wake. With sailboats, either they forget that the sailboat won't leave much wake, or it has become an ego thing. I once crossed paths with a powerboat that was running the buoyed ship channel down a broad river. Tacking up river, and using the whole river, I had well crossed the channel when this AH left the channel to cross my bow rather than pass my stern. He then returned to the channel. I hesitate to use a broad brush, because I know some good guys that are power boaters, and some jerks that sail, but the AH quotient seems to be proportional to horsepower. |
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"Garland Gray II" wrote in
: "jeff" wrote in message . .. snip . However, I firmly believe that powerboaters tend to subconsciously alter course to pass in front of other boats rather than pass behind them. In fact, this will happpen to me several times a day: a powerboat that is on course to pass well behind me alters course and passes close ahead of me. I don't think it's done subconsciously. They do it to other powerboats because "they" don't want to be subjected to the other's wake. Certainly they understand wake. With sailboats, either they forget that the sailboat won't leave much wake, or it has become an ego thing. I once crossed paths with a powerboat that was running the buoyed ship channel down a broad river. Tacking up river, and using the whole river, I had well crossed the channel when this AH left the channel to cross my bow rather than pass my stern. He then returned to the channel. I hesitate to use a broad brush, because I know some good guys that are power boaters, and some jerks that sail, but the AH quotient seems to be proportional to horsepower. BG I think the AH quotient seems to be centered around "recreational", power or sail....... i.e. you're perspective will vary.....look at each type and consider the possibilities based on what they are doing or trying to do |
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"Axel Merckx" wrote in message ... I just reported the clown to his Usenet provider. Stalking and psychobabble have no place here. I would suggest others report him to get him kicked off for good.He should go seek attention on some street corner. Axel Get a life and keep your nose out of other's business. |
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:01:46 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:
Are you related to Capt Neal? Only by marriage. That explains a lot. |
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Just got an email from the maintenance crew who looked at the engine
situation.... interestingly, we did check the coolant level, which was fine. So, whomever said the impeller, was dead on... (edited slightly) The engine lost coolant (which was the consequence of an overheat situation earlier in the month) and was running hot (in the 185-190+ deg range), which was enough to activate the over-heat alarm and to still run "as if the alarm was a false negative." The raw-water cooling was working, but the blades of the impeller had been deformed causing the quantity of cooling water running through the heat-exchanger to be insufficient to cool the engine to within it's operating temperature range, thus causing the alarm. We will routinely replace raw water impellers in all overheating situation in the future, as well as positively check the flow of raw water cooling throughout the complete system: through-hull to mixing elbow. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:23:06 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote: We will routinely replace raw water impellers in all overheating situation in the future, as well as positively check the flow of raw water cooling throughout the complete system: through-hull to mixing elbow. Based on my experience with the small Yanmar in my genset, I'd recommend being even more proactive than that. The impellers seem to self destruct after about 200 hours so it's better to replace them on a periodic basis before that happens. One nice feature on my genset is a temperature sensor on the exhaust elbow. It trips as soon as cooling water flow starts to slow down. Supposedly you can buy the sensors at Home Depot for minimal $$$s and attach them with hose clamps. |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Just got an email from the maintenance crew who looked at the engine situation.... interestingly, we did check the coolant level, which was fine. So, whomever said the impeller, was dead on... (edited slightly) The engine lost coolant (which was the consequence of an overheat situation earlier in the month) and was running hot (in the 185-190+ deg range), which was enough to activate the over-heat alarm and to still run "as if the alarm was a false negative." The raw-water cooling was working, but the blades of the impeller had been deformed causing the quantity of cooling water running through the heat-exchanger to be insufficient to cool the engine to within it's operating temperature range, thus causing the alarm. We will routinely replace raw water impellers in all overheating situation in the future, as well as positively check the flow of raw water cooling throughout the complete system: through-hull to mixing elbow. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Been there, seen that. The problem is that as the impellers age the lobes get stiff and do not spring back into position quickly enough after passing the hump that squeezes the water along its way. It is during this 'spring-back' period that the impeller lobe is supposed to seal itself against the casing and draw water into the gap between the impellers. When spring-back is too slow the pump throughput gradually reduces due to poor sealing and/or insufficient water drawn into the gaps between lobes.. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:23:06 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: We will routinely replace raw water impellers in all overheating situation in the future, as well as positively check the flow of raw water cooling throughout the complete system: through-hull to mixing elbow. Based on my experience with the small Yanmar in my genset, I'd recommend being even more proactive than that. The impellers seem to self destruct after about 200 hours so it's better to replace them on a periodic basis before that happens. One nice feature on my genset is a temperature sensor on the exhaust elbow. It trips as soon as cooling water flow starts to slow down. Supposedly you can buy the sensors at Home Depot for minimal $$$s and attach them with hose clamps. Fortunately, I'm not the one responsible for the engines or boats for that matter. I will take the advice under advisement for mine, however. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:08:34 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote: Am convinced that for the most part, to qualify to receive the keys to a power vessel, you must certify you only have 2 brain cells, of which at least one must be dead. While you are at it, get rid of all the engines, including those in sailboats. Real sailors don't need them. Joshua Slocum didn't an engine or any electrics. I wonder what he did with all the time he didn't spend maintaining that stuff. Casady |
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:53:32 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:38:31 -0500, "mr.b" wrote: that's obvious...but not to the point...the discussion was about the ignorant and arrogant who pilot their stinktubs with what could be described as a less than cooperative spirit...like the moron described by the OP. A lot of it is a perception issue. People in larger, faster boats are percieved as being arrogant, particularly if they are well dressed or in the company of good looking women. If they inconvenience or discomfit us, they are percieved as being ignorant. Take that same person and put him down on your level in a sailboat and all of a sudden he is an educated, well spoken, all around nice guy. Perceptions. Funny, but every sailor I have known has owned at least one powerboat. While owning a good sized cruising sailboat may be a full time job, some people have a whole fleet of under twenty foot boats. At one time my family had four sailboats two powerboats and a canoe. And there has been surprisingly little rudeness on the water. Maybe it is the fact that on a 6500 acre lake there is no place to hide. All the resorts are gone, private homes have taken over, and you mostly deal with the same boats and the same people year after year. The lake does have a cop. There are public boat ramps and a campground, and it is people from elsewhere that cause the rare problems. Casady |
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:31:25 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: Nonsense. Have you ever seen the wake from a freighter or fast tug boat? If so you'll never complain about sportfish or motoryachts. I believe that aircraft carriers have the biggest wakes. What with 300 000 HP. Freighters, and tankers only come in HP under 100 000, all single screw diesels, although many are bigger than a flattop. A submarine at full power on the surface will also move lots of water. Casady |
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:24:43 -0200, Timothy Tannebaum
wrote: No dayshapes displayed for limited maneuverability! Ball-Diamond-Ball!!!!! Some of the merchant sailors call the two balls 'Panama running lights' Casady |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:55:33 -0300, Axel Merckx
wrote: Ganz had the right of way because he was under sail in a narrow channel. He lost the right of way when he turned on the engine. Why can't any of the people here read the ColRegs or Inland rules and resolve the issue of right of way? It's no wonder the coastal areas are chock full of idiots. As near as I can figure, according to the Colregs, there is no such thing as blameless in a collision. A drunk ran down a guy, here in Iowa, from behind. The victim wasn't keeping a lookout. Happened at night. Boat went right over the top of the victims boat, and the drive unit hit the helmsman and killed him. The drunk went to prison. Then there was the time the local cops hit an anchored boat, at night, close to shore, at high speed. They killed a guy. Cops tried to claim that the anchored boat wasn't showing the proper lights. That BS didn't sell. Take the psychobabble and put it where the sun doesn't shine buddy. This is a sailing forum, not some wet nurse looney bin. Amen. Casady |
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 01:50:41 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:
We've found that even with the fresh water closed off, we have about 5 minutes' run-time at cruise power (about 2200 rpm) before the high-temp alarm sounds -- quite a bit further than 200 meters. We used that reserve once about a decade ago, so I know it exists. I am not sure I would rely on the light to protect the engine. I know that it is supposed to... What do you mean by fresh water. My [22 ft sterndrive] is cooled by glycol and has a heat exchanger. If I am floating in salt water, there is no fresh water involved anywhere. I have heard the heat exchanger/glycol arrangement refered to as fresh water cooling. There is seldom [never?] a shutoff in the coolant lines, although there is generally a seacock in the raw water line. When was the last time you saw a shutoff in a car cooling system? One thing is certain, unless the pump is managing to circulate coolant through the engine, it won't last anything like five minutes. The difference between driving with a broken fan belt, and driving with no coolant. That will warp the head[s] almost immediately. You got away with it once, so appearantly the light gives sufficient warning. I like a gauge. That shows up a problem sooner than a light. My car has both gauge and light for the oil pressure. Casady |
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"Richard Casady" wrote: I believe that aircraft carriers have the biggest wakes. What with 300 000 HP. Freighters, and tankers only come in HP under 100 000, all single screw diesels, although many are bigger than a flattop. A submarine at full power on the surface will also move lots of water. Can't comment on any of the above; however, the bow wave generated by a 1,000 ft ore boat, loaded out at 60,000 tons of iron ore, can be felt for miles. One of the reasons these boats travel in the middle of the lake. Lew |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
... On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:55:33 -0300, Axel Merckx wrote: Ganz had the right of way because he was under sail in a narrow channel. He lost the right of way when he turned on the engine. Why can't any of the people here read the ColRegs or Inland rules and resolve the issue of right of way? It's no wonder the coastal areas are chock full of idiots. As near as I can figure, according to the Colregs, there is no such thing as blameless in a collision. A drunk ran down a guy, here in Iowa, from behind. The victim wasn't keeping a lookout. Happened at night. Boat went right over the top of the victims boat, and the drive unit hit the helmsman and killed him. The drunk went to prison. Then there was the time the local cops hit an anchored boat, at night, close to shore, at high speed. They killed a guy. Cops tried to claim that the anchored boat wasn't showing the proper lights. That BS didn't sell. Take the psychobabble and put it where the sun doesn't shine buddy. This is a sailing forum, not some wet nurse looney bin. Amen. Casady There is no such thing as blameless, unless you're at anchor in a designated anchorage and you have six nuns (all sober) on your boat as witnesses. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:17:56 -0500, Capt. JG wrote
(in article ): "Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:55:33 -0300, Axel Merckx wrote: Ganz had the right of way because he was under sail in a narrow channel. He lost the right of way when he turned on the engine. Why can't any of the people here read the ColRegs or Inland rules and resolve the issue of right of way? It's no wonder the coastal areas are chock full of idiots. As near as I can figure, according to the Colregs, there is no such thing as blameless in a collision. A drunk ran down a guy, here in Iowa, from behind. The victim wasn't keeping a lookout. Happened at night. Boat went right over the top of the victims boat, and the drive unit hit the helmsman and killed him. The drunk went to prison. Then there was the time the local cops hit an anchored boat, at night, close to shore, at high speed. They killed a guy. Cops tried to claim that the anchored boat wasn't showing the proper lights. That BS didn't sell. Take the psychobabble and put it where the sun doesn't shine buddy. This is a sailing forum, not some wet nurse looney bin. Amen. Casady There is no such thing as blameless, unless you're at anchor in a designated anchorage and you have six nuns (all sober) on your boat as witnesses. And at least one of them was on watch!!! -- Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass |
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"Mundo" wrote in message
. net... On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:17:56 -0500, Capt. JG wrote (in article ): "Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:55:33 -0300, Axel Merckx wrote: Ganz had the right of way because he was under sail in a narrow channel. He lost the right of way when he turned on the engine. Why can't any of the people here read the ColRegs or Inland rules and resolve the issue of right of way? It's no wonder the coastal areas are chock full of idiots. As near as I can figure, according to the Colregs, there is no such thing as blameless in a collision. A drunk ran down a guy, here in Iowa, from behind. The victim wasn't keeping a lookout. Happened at night. Boat went right over the top of the victims boat, and the drive unit hit the helmsman and killed him. The drunk went to prison. Then there was the time the local cops hit an anchored boat, at night, close to shore, at high speed. They killed a guy. Cops tried to claim that the anchored boat wasn't showing the proper lights. That BS didn't sell. Take the psychobabble and put it where the sun doesn't shine buddy. This is a sailing forum, not some wet nurse looney bin. Amen. Casady There is no such thing as blameless, unless you're at anchor in a designated anchorage and you have six nuns (all sober) on your boat as witnesses. And at least one of them was on watch!!! -- Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass Two, just to be sure. Plus the skipper of course, who is licensed and sober as well. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Mundo" wrote in message . net... On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:17:56 -0500, Capt. JG wrote (in article ): "Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:55:33 -0300, Axel Merckx wrote: Ganz had the right of way because he was under sail in a narrow channel. He lost the right of way when he turned on the engine. Why can't any of the people here read the ColRegs or Inland rules and resolve the issue of right of way? It's no wonder the coastal areas are chock full of idiots. As near as I can figure, according to the Colregs, there is no such thing as blameless in a collision. A drunk ran down a guy, here in Iowa, from behind. The victim wasn't keeping a lookout. Happened at night. Boat went right over the top of the victims boat, and the drive unit hit the helmsman and killed him. The drunk went to prison. Then there was the time the local cops hit an anchored boat, at night, close to shore, at high speed. They killed a guy. Cops tried to claim that the anchored boat wasn't showing the proper lights. That BS didn't sell. Take the psychobabble and put it where the sun doesn't shine buddy. This is a sailing forum, not some wet nurse looney bin. Amen. Casady There is no such thing as blameless, unless you're at anchor in a designated anchorage and you have six nuns (all sober) on your boat as witnesses. And at least one of them was on watch!!! -- Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass Two, just to be sure. Plus the skipper of course, who is licensed and sober as well. What about illegal hallucinogenic drugs? I'm assuming that you approve of them? |
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"Mike" wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Mundo" wrote in message . net... On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:17:56 -0500, Capt. JG wrote (in article ): "Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:55:33 -0300, Axel Merckx wrote: Ganz had the right of way because he was under sail in a narrow channel. He lost the right of way when he turned on the engine. Why can't any of the people here read the ColRegs or Inland rules and resolve the issue of right of way? It's no wonder the coastal areas are chock full of idiots. As near as I can figure, according to the Colregs, there is no such thing as blameless in a collision. A drunk ran down a guy, here in Iowa, from behind. The victim wasn't keeping a lookout. Happened at night. Boat went right over the top of the victims boat, and the drive unit hit the helmsman and killed him. The drunk went to prison. Then there was the time the local cops hit an anchored boat, at night, close to shore, at high speed. They killed a guy. Cops tried to claim that the anchored boat wasn't showing the proper lights. That BS didn't sell. Take the psychobabble and put it where the sun doesn't shine buddy. This is a sailing forum, not some wet nurse looney bin. Amen. Casady There is no such thing as blameless, unless you're at anchor in a designated anchorage and you have six nuns (all sober) on your boat as witnesses. And at least one of them was on watch!!! -- Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass Two, just to be sure. Plus the skipper of course, who is licensed and sober as well. What about illegal hallucinogenic drugs? I'm assuming that you approve of them? Do you approve of stalkers? FOAD PLONK -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:27:19 -0500, "Mike" wrote:
What about illegal hallucinogenic drugs? I'm assuming that you approve of them? Where did that come from? Nowhere in this discussion has anyone expressed approval of doing any mood altering substance. Even legal ones. Mentioning that a drunk went to prison for killing someone is expressing approval of exactly what? Casady |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Mike" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Mundo" wrote in message . net... On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:17:56 -0500, Capt. JG wrote (in article ): "Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:55:33 -0300, Axel Merckx wrote: Ganz had the right of way because he was under sail in a narrow channel. He lost the right of way when he turned on the engine. Why can't any of the people here read the ColRegs or Inland rules and resolve the issue of right of way? It's no wonder the coastal areas are chock full of idiots. As near as I can figure, according to the Colregs, there is no such thing as blameless in a collision. A drunk ran down a guy, here in Iowa, from behind. The victim wasn't keeping a lookout. Happened at night. Boat went right over the top of the victims boat, and the drive unit hit the helmsman and killed him. The drunk went to prison. Then there was the time the local cops hit an anchored boat, at night, close to shore, at high speed. They killed a guy. Cops tried to claim that the anchored boat wasn't showing the proper lights. That BS didn't sell. Take the psychobabble and put it where the sun doesn't shine buddy. This is a sailing forum, not some wet nurse looney bin. Amen. Casady There is no such thing as blameless, unless you're at anchor in a designated anchorage and you have six nuns (all sober) on your boat as witnesses. And at least one of them was on watch!!! -- Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass Two, just to be sure. Plus the skipper of course, who is licensed and sober as well. What about illegal hallucinogenic drugs? I'm assuming that you approve of them? Do you approve of stalkers? FOAD PLONK I take that as a "Yes"? So you do approve of illegal hallucinogenic drugs for licensed captains? |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
... On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:27:19 -0500, "Mike" wrote: What about illegal hallucinogenic drugs? I'm assuming that you approve of them? Where did that come from? Nowhere in this discussion has anyone expressed approval of doing any mood altering substance. Even legal ones. Mentioning that a drunk went to prison for killing someone is expressing approval of exactly what? Casady He's a stalking sockpuppet. Just ignore him. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:27:19 -0500, "Mike" wrote: What about illegal hallucinogenic drugs? I'm assuming that you approve of them? Where did that come from? Nowhere in this discussion has anyone expressed approval of doing any mood altering substance. Even legal ones. Mentioning that a drunk went to prison for killing someone is expressing approval of exactly what? Casady Old Ganzey's kind of touchy on the subject of illegal hallucinogenic drugs. He used them and posted on usenet all about it. Then he lied on his application to the Coast Guard when he took the Captain's test. He still has flashbacks, as you can see from some of his posts. |
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Richard Casady" wrote: I believe that aircraft carriers have the biggest wakes. What with 300 000 HP. Freighters, and tankers only come in HP under 100 000, all single screw diesels, although many are bigger than a flattop. A submarine at full power on the surface will also move lots of water. Can't comment on any of the above; however, the bow wave generated by a 1,000 ft ore boat, loaded out at 60,000 tons of iron ore, can be felt for miles. One of the reasons these boats travel in the middle of the lake. Huh? I live at junction of the St. Lawrence and Lake Ontario, (just east of Carlton Island on Wolfe Island if want to check it out), I can assure you that they travel pretty damn close to the shore here! Cheers Marty |
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Mike wrote:
"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:27:19 -0500, "Mike" wrote: What about illegal hallucinogenic drugs? I'm assuming that you approve of them? Where did that come from? Nowhere in this discussion has anyone expressed approval of doing any mood altering substance. Even legal ones. Mentioning that a drunk went to prison for killing someone is expressing approval of exactly what? Casady Old Ganzey's kind of touchy on the subject of illegal hallucinogenic drugs. He used them and posted on usenet all about it. Then he lied on his application to the Coast Guard when he took the Captain's test. He still has flashbacks, as you can see from some of his posts. And you're just a piece of hypocritical slime sucking whale ****. |
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"Marty" wrote: Huh? I live at junction of the St. Lawrence and Lake Ontario, (just east of Carlton Island on Wolfe Island if want to check it out), I can assure you that they travel pretty damn close to the shore here! Those are "Salties", AKA: Baby boats. 1,000 ft ore boats never see L Ontario. From what I remember, there are/were no steel mills along the St Lawrence. Lew |
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:13:59 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote: "Marty" wrote: Huh? I live at junction of the St. Lawrence and Lake Ontario, (just east of Carlton Island on Wolfe Island if want to check it out), I can assure you that they travel pretty damn close to the shore here! Those are "Salties", AKA: Baby boats. 1,000 ft ore boats never see L Ontario. From what I remember, there are/were no steel mills along the St Lawrence. Last time I checked there were 29 lakers that were too big to get out of the lakes. As for the steel mills the big bulk carriers also haul coal and stone. There is a market for the coal and stone where there are no steel mills although the steel mills do use both. |
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"Marty" wrote in message
... Mike wrote: "Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:27:19 -0500, "Mike" wrote: What about illegal hallucinogenic drugs? I'm assuming that you approve of them? Where did that come from? Nowhere in this discussion has anyone expressed approval of doing any mood altering substance. Even legal ones. Mentioning that a drunk went to prison for killing someone is expressing approval of exactly what? Casady stalker stuff deleted And you're just a piece of hypocritical slime sucking whale ****. True, but he doesn't need to be reminded I'm sure! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Richard Casady" wrote: Last time I checked there were 29 lakers that were too big to get out of the lakes. As for the steel mills the big bulk carriers also haul coal and stone. There is a market for the coal and stone where there are no steel mills although the steel mills do use both. The 1,000 ft one are strictly ore boats, which were only a wet dream until the Eisenhower locks were built at the "Sue" in the late 50s. The Canadians haul most of the stone and coal using old (small) boats purchased from US fleets. Can't think of anyplace along Ontario or St Lawrence that has a use for either stone or coal. Alcoa at Massinas/p might use some coal. Lew |
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:42:19 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote: Can't think of anyplace along Ontario or St Lawrence that has a use for either stone or coal. If you can get it out of the lakes, you can ship the stuff anywhere. I suppose you wouldn't want to take a self-unloader on the high seas. You can, however, sell coal and stone anywhere. I could use some of the stone myself. For the driveway. Casady |
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On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:42:19 -0800, Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Richard Casady" wrote: Last time I checked there were 29 lakers that were too big to get out of the lakes. As for the steel mills the big bulk carriers also haul coal and stone. There is a market for the coal and stone where there are no steel mills although the steel mills do use both. The 1,000 ft one are strictly ore boats, which were only a wet dream until the Eisenhower locks were built at the "Sue" in the late 50s. it's spelled the "Soo" and the 1000 footers weren't built until the 60's. I think the "Cort" was the first... The Canadians haul most of the stone and coal using old (small) boats purchased from US fleets. Can't think of anyplace along Ontario or St Lawrence that has a use for either stone or coal. Hamilton, ON...home of Stelco or is it now Dofasco? making _lots_ of steel...they use a little coal there ;-) Alcoa at Massinas/p might use some coal. hmmm...Aluminum requires _HUGE_ quantities of electricity, plants are usually built right next to generating facilities...I hope they aren't burning coal to produce the electricity for aluminum smelting!!?! |
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