"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
| On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:56:30 -0600, Paul Cassel
| wrote:
|
| Also even though these are very quiet by generator standards,
they are,
| IMO, disruptive in a completely silent anchorage, but YMMV.
|
| Just as is done with smoking, you could have segregation.
Generators
| here quiet over there. The generator crowd will invite those less
| endowed, electricity wise, over for very cold drinks with lots of
ice,
| and adequate or better air conditioning. Perhaps a voluntary
curfew on
| unnecessary noise. Pigs might fly.
|
| Casady

Pie in the sky. It'll never happen. Portable generator users don't
wanna listen to a bunch of portables grinding away all night long
any more than the rest of us. When they turn off their noise they
expect it to be quiet. That's how these people are. It's me, myself
and I. That's their mentality.

Built-in generators with water lift mufflers are an acceptable
alternative as far as noise goes. If there's any wind at all they
can't even be heard because their exhaust sounds pretty much like
waves lapping on a hull. But, most of them are diesel. And we all
know diesel stinks. I sure don't wanna be breathing diesel fumes
all night long. Even if I can't hear the exhaust, I can smell the
fumes. So what diesel boats need to do is anchor downwind of
EVERYBODY! Unfortunately you rarely see it. They know that
downwind from everybody exposes them to assholes who anchor upwind
of everybody and run generators.

The only civilized alternative is anchored boats should all contain
considerate people who care about their fellow boater and who all
agree that once the sun sets any and all generators are to be
turned off. (Ever hear of storage batteries? Try fans instead of
air conditioning!) This includes those obnoxious wind generators,
too. The noise they make is particularly bothersome. How has it
come about that a few selfish people are ruining cruising for all
concerned?

Greg

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:06:18 -0400, "Gregory Hall"
wrote:

Even if I can't hear the exhaust, I can smell the
fumes. So what diesel boats need to do is anchor downwind of
EVERYBODY! Unfortunately you rarely see it. They know that
downwind from everybody exposes them to assholes who anchor upwind
of everybody and run generators.

There are plenty of cruising sailboats running the diesel aux at night
to charge batteries. It's not just generators. Frankly I've never
found fumes to be a big problem. The noise from on deck Hondas is
the real issue.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:06:18 -0400, "Gregory Hall"
wrote:

Even if I can't hear the exhaust, I can smell the
fumes. So what diesel boats need to do is anchor downwind of
EVERYBODY! Unfortunately you rarely see it. They know that
downwind from everybody exposes them to assholes who anchor upwind
of everybody and run generators.

There are plenty of cruising sailboats running the diesel aux at night
to charge batteries. It's not just generators. Frankly I've never
found fumes to be a big problem. The noise from on deck Hondas is
the real issue.


This can be an issue. Funny, usually I run my Honda in the morning...hot
shower for the Admiral.

Glenn.
s/v Seawing.

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 04:52:40 GMT, "Glenn \(s/v Seawing\)"
wrote:

This can be an issue. Funny, usually I run my Honda in the morning...hot
shower for the Admiral.

If you have a FWC engine it is easy to heat water with a loop from the
aux. That's a lot quieter on most boats than an on deck Honda and you
get your batteries charged as a bonus.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 04:52:40 GMT, "Glenn \(s/v Seawing\)"
wrote:

This can be an issue. Funny, usually I run my Honda in the morning...hot
shower for the Admiral.

If you have a FWC engine it is easy to heat water with a loop from the
aux. That's a lot quieter on most boats than an on deck Honda and you
get your batteries charged as a bonus.

Good thought on the hot water from the auxillary. Mine was plumbed that way
until this last year. We removed the plumbing for that because it was kinda
all wrong. We removed alot of things actually...bags & bags of old hose &
wire that was either wrong or not connected to anything at either end.
Typical old boat...keep installing new without removing the old & broken.
Sure clears out the engine room taking a few days to do that.

Thanks for the reminder Wayne, I'll put that on my list for this year. It
makes sense too 'cause I just installed a higher output alternator for
battery charging.

Glenn.
s/v Seawing.

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:06:18 -0400, "Gregory Hall"
wrote:


"Richard Casady" wrote in message
. ..
| On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:56:30 -0600, Paul Cassel
| wrote:
|
| Also even though these are very quiet by generator standards,
they are,
| IMO, disruptive in a completely silent anchorage, but YMMV.
|
| Just as is done with smoking, you could have segregation.
Generators
| here quiet over there. The generator crowd will invite those less
| endowed, electricity wise, over for very cold drinks with lots of
ice,
| and adequate or better air conditioning. Perhaps a voluntary
curfew on
| unnecessary noise. Pigs might fly.
|
| Casady

Pie in the sky. It'll never happen. Portable generator users don't
wanna listen to a bunch of portables grinding away all night long
any more than the rest of us. When they turn off their noise they
expect it to be quiet. That's how these people are. It's me, myself
and I. That's their mentality.

Built-in generators with water lift mufflers are an acceptable
alternative as far as noise goes. If there's any wind at all they
can't even be heard because their exhaust sounds pretty much like
waves lapping on a hull. But, most of them are diesel. And we all
know diesel stinks. I sure don't wanna be breathing diesel fumes
all night long. Even if I can't hear the exhaust, I can smell the
fumes. So what diesel boats need to do is anchor downwind of
EVERYBODY! Unfortunately you rarely see it. They know that
downwind from everybody exposes them to assholes who anchor upwind
of everybody and run generators.

The only civilized alternative is anchored boats should all contain
considerate people who care about their fellow boater and who all
agree that once the sun sets any and all generators are to be
turned off. (Ever hear of storage batteries? Try fans instead of
air conditioning!) This includes those obnoxious wind generators,
too. The noise they make is particularly bothersome. How has it
come about that a few selfish people are ruining cruising for all
concerned?

Greg


On the other hand one can simply anchor somewhere away from the common
herd. I for one go sailing to get away from people. Then you can do as
you damned please.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
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address is a spam trap)

Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:06:18 -0400, "Gregory Hall"

On the other hand one can simply anchor somewhere away from the common
herd. I for one go sailing to get away from people. Then you can do as
you damned please.

Maybe in the magic land of far far away but anyplace I've ever been,
anchorages are designated areas or only a few areas are suitable. During
my singlehanding the entire eastern coast, I'd say I only anchored alone
maybe half a dozen times over many months. Someone else always showed up
or was there.

The only discourteous boat was a power boat who played music loudly.
Someone (not me) cut his anchor rope & he got the message I suppose and
left.

-paul

"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. ..
Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:06:18 -0400, "Gregory Hall"

On the other hand one can simply anchor somewhere away from the common
herd. I for one go sailing to get away from people. Then you can do as
you damned please.

Maybe in the magic land of far far away but anyplace I've ever been,
anchorages are designated areas or only a few areas are suitable. During
my singlehanding the entire eastern coast, I'd say I only anchored alone
maybe half a dozen times over many months. Someone else always showed up
or was there.

The only discourteous boat was a power boat who played music loudly.
Someone (not me) cut his anchor rope & he got the message I suppose and
left.

-paul

Okay, so we've been blessed...or very anti-social. I love people & being
around them...and also time with us alone. Funny, but in Florida I've often
found places to anchor alone...or at least pretty far from any other boats.

Power boaters blasting music...and kicking up huge wakes as they pass
through the anchorage...stink-boaters! O...right...my dear ol' Dad is now
running a GB...oops. :-).

Glenn.
s/v Seawing.

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 04:58:35 GMT, "Glenn \(s/v Seawing\)"
wrote:

my dear ol' Dad is now
running a GB...oops. :-).

I am but I don't think I'm your dad. :-)

FWIW, GBs have proper marine generators. Ours has two and they are
both quiet.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 04:58:35 GMT, "Glenn \(s/v Seawing\)"
wrote:

my dear ol' Dad is now
running a GB...oops. :-).

I am but I don't think I'm your dad. :-)

FWIW, GBs have proper marine generators. Ours has two and they are
both quiet.

Dad's GB had a real screamer for a generator (can't recall the brand off the
top of my head...though I've spent hours and ours hugging it). Replacing it
with a larger & quieter take-out this year.

Glenn.