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Question in the Island Packet group about aluminum and OdorLos.

Answer?

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----- Original Message -----
From: Molt, James
To: islandpacket
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: [islandpacket] SURVEY


IP350-145 Commissioned August 2003.-All tanks original.



We flush with fresh (filtered) water and pump out after every sail
(usually weekenders with 4 people).



We do use ODORLOS and am wondering if anyone has any insight as to its
effect on the aluminum tanks.



Jim & Judy Molt

QUAICH IP350-145

Ping Peggie
 

Skip Gundlach wrote:
Question in the Island Packet group about aluminum and OdorLos.

Answer?

Odorlos won't harm an aluminum holding tank...but urine will destroy it.
That's been a known fact long enough that I'm very surprised that IP
still using aluminum holding tanks.

Nice meeting you at SSCA! - the addy I had for you has bounced so I
sent here - please cc me on a response or drop a note directly...

Nice to finally meet you too!

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/boat_odors/



----- Original Message -----
From: Molt, James
To: islandpacket
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: [islandpacket] SURVEY


IP350-145 Commissioned August 2003.-All tanks original.



We flush with fresh (filtered) water and pump out after every sail
(usually weekenders with 4 people).



We do use ODORLOS and am wondering if anyone has any insight as to its
effect on the aluminum tanks.



Jim & Judy Molt

QUAICH IP350-145

Ping Peggie
 

Did I read that correctly...urine will destroy an aluminum holding tank?
Bummer...my Father just had one made for his trawler. Any way to prevent
this?

Glenn.

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
...
Skip Gundlach wrote:
Question in the Island Packet group about aluminum and OdorLos.

Answer?

Odorlos won't harm an aluminum holding tank...but urine will destroy it.
That's been a known fact long enough that I'm very surprised that IP still
using aluminum holding tanks.

Nice meeting you at SSCA! - the addy I had for you has bounced so I
sent here - please cc me on a response or drop a note directly...

Nice to finally meet you too!

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/boat_odors/



----- Original Message -----
From: Molt, James
To: islandpacket
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: [islandpacket] SURVEY


IP350-145 Commissioned August 2003.-All tanks original.



We flush with fresh (filtered) water and pump out after every sail
(usually weekenders with 4 people).



We do use ODORLOS and am wondering if anyone has any insight as to its
effect on the aluminum tanks.



Jim & Judy Molt

QUAICH IP350-145

Ping Peggie
 

Glenn (s/v Seawing) wrote:
Did I read that correctly...urine will destroy an aluminum holding tank?

Yep. It'll destroy ANY metal holding tank, even 316 stainless.

Bummer...my Father just had one made for his trawler. Any way to prevent
this?

Nope. But it's not gonna suddenly disintegrate. The average lifespan of
any metal waste tank is about 10 years. Typically, it'll start to leak
at a weld in seam or fitting within about 2 years...and turn into a
colander in about 10 years.

So you might want to tell him not to panic...it'll be ok for the next
few years. Just keep an eye--and his nose--on it. And tell him not to
bother repairing the first leak...'cuz the first one is always ONLY the
FIRST one. The time to replace it with a good quality thick walled
plastic tank is after it springs te first leak. Till then, he can relax.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/boat_odors/

Ping Peggie
 

Peggie Hall wrote:
Glenn (s/v Seawing) wrote:
Did I read that correctly...urine will destroy an aluminum holding tank?

Yep. It'll destroy ANY metal holding tank, even 316 stainless.

Bummer...my Father just had one made for his trawler. Any way to
prevent this?

Nope. But it's not gonna suddenly disintegrate. The average lifespan of
any metal waste tank is about 10 years. Typically, it'll start to leak
at a weld in seam or fitting within about 2 years...and turn into a
colander in about 10 years.

So you might want to tell him not to panic...it'll be ok for the next
few years. Just keep an eye--and his nose--on it. And tell him not to
bother repairing the first leak...'cuz the first one is always ONLY the
FIRST one. The time to replace it with a good quality thick walled
plastic tank is after it springs te first leak. Till then, he can relax.

Any chance coating the inside with an epoxy coating will help extend
the lifespan? In commercial ships black water tanks ARE often built
into the hull of the ship as integral steel tanks.

Though I'm not fond of the practice myself, sometimes the tanks are
2000 - 3000L and plastic tanks of that size are a bit bulky to fit
into an engine room...

Evan Gatehouse

Ping Peggie
 

Hey Peggie, speaking of holding tanks I have a question for you. I have
been using CP & KO with good luck as it is holding down the smells from
the bowl to the tank. But the one stink I haven't attacked yet is from
the intake raw water hose.
When the head is flushed wet the raw water coming in is really strong
stinky. Just wondered what solution you have for this. (If you've
already covered this in a previous post just guide me to it and I'll
read it there, thanks)

Also I just spotted a little device in a store, the name of which
escapes me at the moment, that attaches to the intake line just inside
of the seacock that utilizes some type of replaceable deoderizing tablet
that treats the head's intake water to kill the smell before it reaches
the bowl. While it looks like just the thing for this problem, I wonder
if you have any experience with that sort of thing and what your
thoughts on it are (I noticed that on the bottles of KO and CP that it
says not to use anything chemical with it).
Thanks,
Red

Ping Peggie
 

Somebody wrote:

Did I read that correctly...urine will destroy an aluminum holding
tank?

Yep. It'll destroy ANY metal holding tank, even 316 stainless.

That's why "tank resin" exists.

Lew

Ping Peggie
 

Lew Hodgett wrote:
Somebody wrote:

Did I read that correctly...urine will destroy an aluminum holding
tank?

Yep. It'll destroy ANY metal holding tank, even 316 stainless.

That's why "tank resin" exists.

Metal tank mfrs have have been coating holding tanks with all kinds of
things...epoxy, resin... To date there has been nothing that will
extend the life of a metal holding more than a year or two...if that long.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/boat_odors/

Ping Peggie
 

"Peggie Hall" wrote:

Metal tank mfrs have have been coating holding tanks with all kinds of
things...epoxy, resin... To date there has been nothing that will extend
the life of a metal holding more than a year or two...if that long.

Guess my customers, the heavy chemical industry, are unaware of this
limitation.

Lew

Ping Peggie
 

On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:23:38 GMT, Peggie Hall
wrote:

Did I read that correctly...urine will destroy an aluminum holding
tank?

Yep. It'll destroy ANY metal holding tank, even 316 stainless.

That's why "tank resin" exists.

Metal tank mfrs have have been coating holding tanks with all kinds of
things...epoxy, resin... To date there has been nothing that will
extend the life of a metal holding more than a year or two...if that long.


I have a thought. It's off the top, but it's worth testing.
Any acidic solution tends to eat metal. Water doesn't even
need to be acidic to promote pin hole corrosion in some
aluminum alloys. Oxygen depleted water is hell on stainless.

But alkaline solutions, in general, don't eat metal so well, or at
all. I have this hunch that waste water rendered slightly high pH
of neutral would help a tank to survive.
Do you have any stories on this topic?

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Ping Peggie
 

Brian Whatcott wrote:
I have a thought. It's off the top, but it's worth testing.
Any acidic solution tends to eat metal.

Not necessarily. Vinegar is acid, but doesn't harm metal...chlorine
isn't acid, but is corrosive and does destroy metal.

Water doesn't even
need to be acidic to promote pin hole corrosion in some
aluminum alloys. Oxygen depleted water is hell on stainless.

But alkaline solutions, in general, don't eat metal so well, or at
all.

Urine can be alkaline or acidic...doesn't seem to matter in a metal
holding tank.

I have this hunch that waste water rendered slightly high pH
of neutral would help a tank to survive.

Waste and water have about the same pH...7-9...so I don't THINK pH is
the key...'cuz the same aluminum alloy tank used to hold water will last
20-25 years.

I'm not a chemist, so I can't tell you why that's true, only that it has
proven to be.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/boat_odors/

Ping Peggie
 

On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:02:59 -0500, Peggie Hall
wrote:

Urine can be alkaline or acidic...doesn't seem to matter in a metal
holding tank.

Well who'da guessed! Dilute uric acid alkaline! I picked out the
Corning pH meter, all set to put it to the test.
But the 3 volt lithiums need changing. Oh well.

I have this hunch that waste water rendered slightly high pH
of neutral would help a tank to survive.

Waste and water have about the same pH...7-9..

??

Thanks for responding

Brian W

Ping Peggie
 

Bummer...I miss direct overboard discharge. :-(.

Glenn.

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
...
Glenn (s/v Seawing) wrote:
Did I read that correctly...urine will destroy an aluminum holding tank?

Yep. It'll destroy ANY metal holding tank, even 316 stainless.

Bummer...my Father just had one made for his trawler. Any way to prevent
this?

Nope. But it's not gonna suddenly disintegrate. The average lifespan of
any metal waste tank is about 10 years. Typically, it'll start to leak at
a weld in seam or fitting within about 2 years...and turn into a colander
in about 10 years.

So you might want to tell him not to panic...it'll be ok for the next few
years. Just keep an eye--and his nose--on it. And tell him not to bother
repairing the first leak...'cuz the first one is always ONLY the FIRST
one. The time to replace it with a good quality thick walled plastic tank
is after it springs te first leak. Till then, he can relax.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/boat_odors/

Ping Peggie
 

On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 23:17:06 GMT, Brian Whatcott
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:02:59 -0500, Peggie Hall wrote:
Urine can be alkaline or acidic...doesn't seem to matter in a metal
holding tank.
.....
I have this hunch that waste water rendered slightly high pH
of neutral would help a tank to survive

..-
Waste and water have about the same pH...7-9..

I finally bought the silver oxide cells for my Corning pH meter, and
peed a sample to check - it read 5.5 pH - about where I expect.

But...but..but: I seem to recall that waste mater can soon smell
ammoniacal, and maybe THAT'S the alkaline component?

Brian W

Ping Peggie
 

"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
...
Waste and water have about the same pH...7-9..

I finally bought the silver oxide cells for my Corning pH meter, and
peed a sample to check - it read 5.5 pH - about where I expect.

But...but..but: I seem to recall that waste mater can soon smell
ammoniacal, and maybe THAT'S the alkaline component?


Peggie doesn't have that problem. Peggie's **** don't stink. (or at least
she thinks that!)

Did you hear the real reason why they didn't want to let more water out of
Lake Lanier until recently? They said it was because of some endangered
mussel but that was just smoke and mirrors. The real reason was because
everything below a depth of about ten feet is toxic as hell. Too many people
emptying their holding tanks full of chemicals that don't work.

Greg

Ping Peggie
 

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:17:28 -0500, "Gregory Hall"
wrote:


"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
.. .
Waste and water have about the same pH...7-9..

I finally bought the silver oxide cells for my Corning pH meter, and
peed a sample to check - it read 5.5 pH - about where I expect.

But...but..but: I seem to recall that waste matter can soon smell
ammoniacal, and maybe THAT'S the alkaline component?
....
Did you hear the real reason why they didn't want to let more water out of
Lake Lanier until recently?.... because
everything below a depth of about ten feet is toxic as hell. Too many people
emptying their holding tanks full of chemicals that don't work.

Greg




eeeiooow!

Brian W

Ping Peggie
 

I see that Neal, aka Wilbur, has assumed yet another identity.

Gregory Hall wrote:

Peggie doesn't have that problem. Peggie's **** don't stink. (or at least
she thinks that!)

Did you hear the real reason why they didn't want to let more water out of
Lake Lanier until recently? They said it was because of some endangered
mussel but that was just smoke and mirrors. The real reason was because
everything below a depth of about ten feet is toxic as hell. Too many people
emptying their holding tanks full of chemicals that don't work.

Greg





--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/boat_odors/

Ping Peggie
 

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:17:28 -0500, "Gregory Hall"
wrote:


"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
.. .
Waste and water have about the same pH...7-9..

I finally bought the silver oxide cells for my Corning pH meter, and
peed a sample to check - it read 5.5 pH - about where I expect.

But...but..but: I seem to recall that waste mater can soon smell
ammoniacal, and maybe THAT'S the alkaline component?


Peggie doesn't have that problem. Peggie's **** don't stink. (or at least
she thinks that!)

Did you hear the real reason why they didn't want to let more water out of
Lake Lanier until recently? They said it was because of some endangered
mussel but that was just smoke and mirrors. The real reason was because
everything below a depth of about ten feet is toxic as hell. Too many people
emptying their holding tanks full of chemicals that don't work.

Greg


Wilbur, is that you?

Bruce-in-Bangkok
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from address for reply)