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Propane vs Alcohol
My Pearson 365 ketch currently has a pressurized alcohol Kenyon cook
stove. This sucker has got to go! Propane would probably be the best way to go but finding a place to put the tank is a major PIA. I don't like hanging things on railings. Looks crummy and tends to loosen stanchions. And I don't like extra stuff on deck. Converting a space in a locker to meet all safety requirements also seems like a PIA. Also the cost. Tanks, solenoid. pressure regulator, hoses, sniffer, installation of wiring and hoses, yada yada Go, I'm also considering Origo alcohol stoves. Non pressurized, no tank, no hoses or electrical. However, alcohol is expensive and can be hard to find if doing extended cruising and you don't want to carry too much on board. Also, alcohol doesn't have the BTU's of propane. So, any good advice? Gordon |
Propane vs Alcohol
"Gordon" wrote: My Pearson 365 ketch currently has a pressurized alcohol Kenyon cook stove. This sucker has got to go! Propane would probably be the best way to go but finding a place to put the tank is a major PIA. I don't like hanging things on railings. Looks crummy and tends to loosen stanchions. And I don't like extra stuff on deck. Converting a space in a locker to meet all safety requirements also seems like a PIA. Also the cost. Tanks, solenoid. pressure regulator, hoses, sniffer, installation of wiring and hoses, yada yada Go, I'm also considering Origo alcohol stoves. Non pressurized, no tank, no hoses or electrical. However, alcohol is expensive and can be hard to find if doing extended cruising and you don't want to carry too much on board. Also, alcohol doesn't have the BTU's of propane. So, any good advice? Alcohol is either for consumption or thinning shellac, depending on what you have. Propane is a viable solution. Assume you would install a 2 burner, counter top to replace the Kenyon. If so, consider using propane torch bottles that you disconnect when not in service. Most expensive way to buy propane, but you don't use that much. I used a shut of valve from an old Coleman camp stove on my last boat, a 30ftr, with torch bottles for a few years and safety was not an issue. YMMV Lew |
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Gordon wrote:
My Pearson 365 ketch currently has a pressurized alcohol Kenyon cook stove. This sucker has got to go! Propane would probably be the best way to go but finding a place to put the tank is a major PIA. I don't like hanging things on railings. Looks crummy and tends to loosen stanchions. And I don't like extra stuff on deck. Converting a space in a locker to meet all safety requirements also seems like a PIA. Also the cost. Tanks, solenoid. pressure regulator, hoses, sniffer, installation of wiring and hoses, yada yada Go, I'm also considering Origo alcohol stoves. Non pressurized, no tank, no hoses or electrical. However, alcohol is expensive and can be hard to find if doing extended cruising and you don't want to carry too much on board. Also, alcohol doesn't have the BTU's of propane. So, any good advice? Gordon I can't imagine a boat that size not being able to accommodate a propane tank of some sort. I find alcohol the least favorable fuel. It not only isn't very hot, but the smell induces sea sickness in those who otherwise are unaffected. If you don't want to create a space for the propane tanks and don't wish to use the little tank two burner stoves, I'd see if you can locate a kerosene stove. While nasty in some ways, it's safer than most and can be very hot. Fuel is readily available. You'll also feel like Slocum when you fire the thing up. -paul |
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"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. .. Gordon wrote: My Pearson 365 ketch currently has a pressurized alcohol Kenyon cook stove. This sucker has got to go! Propane would probably be the best way to go but finding a place to put the tank is a major PIA. I don't like hanging things on railings. Looks crummy and tends to loosen stanchions. And I don't like extra stuff on deck. Converting a space in a locker to meet all safety requirements also seems like a PIA. Also the cost. Tanks, solenoid. pressure regulator, hoses, sniffer, installation of wiring and hoses, yada yada Go, I'm also considering Origo alcohol stoves. Non pressurized, no tank, no hoses or electrical. However, alcohol is expensive and can be hard to find if doing extended cruising and you don't want to carry too much on board. Also, alcohol doesn't have the BTU's of propane. So, any good advice? Gordon I can't imagine a boat that size not being able to accommodate a propane tank of some sort. I find alcohol the least favorable fuel. It not only isn't very hot, but the smell induces sea sickness in those who otherwise are unaffected. If you don't want to create a space for the propane tanks and don't wish to use the little tank two burner stoves, I'd see if you can locate a kerosene stove. While nasty in some ways, it's safer than most and can be very hot. Fuel is readily available. You'll also feel like Slocum when you fire the thing up. -paul Not knowing what are you cruising plans I can only relate to my own experience. At the end of the day if you do not use your boat often you may well be happy with the Origo stove. At first, I had a camper propane stove using 1-pound can. The operating cost is high and storage is not safe. Then I had an Origo alcohol stove for 24 years. It worked great and accommodates large pots. I use 99% pure methyl hydrate for all these years without a problem. At trucks pit stop I used to pay about $5.00 per gallon. A gallon would last us about 10 to 15 days using the stove three times each day. Filling up was a little messy. Now we have a new boat with a propane stove. It works well. So far, since mid June, I burned one full 10 pounds tanks and I am still on the other one. The cooking surface on this propane stove is not a big as the Origo. We had to down size our pots and pans to accommodate the propane stove. The solenoid valve requires electricity to open the propane tank. If your batteries are down you may not be able to operate your propane stove. Unless you do not abide by the rule and connect directly to the propane tank which is not recommended. |
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:59:17 -0600, Paul Cassel
wrote: I find alcohol the least favorable fuel. It not only isn't very hot, Not hot? Way hotter than red hot is what it is. If the cookware doesn't absorb heat fast enough, it isn't the temperature, it is the size of the fire. If you tell me that all available alcohol stoves have insufficient output, OK. It is not a necessary characteristic of the fuel. The exhaust system on my alcohol burning car runs yellow hot. How hot do you need? They make these nice very wide mouth five gallon plastic jugs, round and rectangular. About 15 bucks. Car racers use them. Nice thick polyethylene, really sturdy. They are good for water too. Many car parts stores sell them, you don't need a special racer's shop, if there is such a thing. Casady |
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:10:53 -0700, Gordon wrote:
Also, alcohol doesn't have the BTU's of propane. Propane weighs 4 lb/gal alcohol 5,8lb/gal. BTU/lb are something like 18k for propane v. 12 k for alcohol. 9,5k for methanol. My car burns that, but I don't have an alcohol stove. I do have a one burner primus stove that burns kerosene. Casady |
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On Oct 9, 12:10 pm, Gordon wrote:
My Pearson 365 ketch currently has a pressurized alcohol Kenyon cook stove. This sucker has got to go! Propane would probably be the best way to go but finding a place to put the tank is a major PIA. I don't like hanging things on railings. Looks crummy and tends to loosen stanchions. And I don't like extra stuff on deck. Converting a space in a locker to meet all safety requirements also seems like a PIA. Also the cost. Tanks, solenoid. pressure regulator, hoses, sniffer, installation of wiring and hoses, yada yada Go, I'm also considering Origo alcohol stoves. Non pressurized, no tank, no hoses or electrical. However, alcohol is expensive and can be hard to find if doing extended cruising and you don't want to carry too much on board. Also, alcohol doesn't have the BTU's of propane. So, any good advice? Gordon Propane is best you have room for a gimbled Force 10 stove/ oven. I've seen these on a P-40 and they looked OK on the rails and avoids the locker hassle. http://www.sailcharbonneau.com/images/GrillPropane.jpg The P-40 Namaste http://www.synamaste.com/images/Pict...%20Caulker.jpg Joe |
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:59:17 -0600, Paul Cassel
wrote: I find alcohol the least favorable fuel. It not only isn't very hot, Not hot? Way hotter than red hot is what it is. If the cookware doesn't absorb heat fast enough, it isn't the temperature, it is the size of the fire. If you tell me that all available alcohol stoves have insufficient output, OK. It is not a necessary characteristic of the fuel. The exhaust system on my alcohol burning car runs yellow hot. How hot do you need? They make these nice very wide mouth five gallon plastic jugs, round and rectangular. About 15 bucks. Car racers use them. Nice thick polyethylene, really sturdy. They are good for water too. Many car parts stores sell them, you don't need a special racer's shop, if there is such a thing. The methanol you can get from a truck at the sprint car races. By far the cheapest source. Indy cars also use it, so you can't say it is a wimpy fuel. 100 octane. So is propane. There is a bumboat that sells stuff to the crews of the Lakers. It sells propane. Ore boats use it for cooking. They don't worry about a leak setting the taconite on fire. They do have their large home size tanks out on deck, in the wind. They could easily have an electric stove if they wanted one.. Crew size is 29, that much cooking. I wish I had a propane stove, but whatever. Casady |
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Okay, I know what Propane is, C3H8
and I know what Methanol is, CH3OH What's Alcohol? "Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:10:53 -0700, Gordon wrote: Also, alcohol doesn't have the BTU's of propane. Propane weighs 4 lb/gal alcohol 5,8lb/gal. BTU/lb are something like 18k for propane v. 12 k for alcohol. 9,5k for methanol. My car burns that, but I don't have an alcohol stove. I do have a one burner primus stove that burns kerosene. Casady |
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On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:49:09 -0400, "BF" wrote:
Okay, I know what Propane is, C3H8 and I know what Methanol is, CH3OH What's Alcohol? Just one more carbon: C2H5OH is ethanol. Casady |
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"BF" wrote: Okay, I know what Propane is, C3H8 and I know what Methanol is, CH3OH What's Alcohol? Intoxicating? Lew |
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On Oct 9, 6:15 pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"BF" wrote: Okay, I know what Propane is, C3H8 and I know what Methanol is, CH3OH What's Alcohol? Intoxicating? Lew Pressurized alchohol stoves are about the most dangerous thing I have ever seen on boats. Unpressurized is supposed to be better. When I got my boat, I gutted the old Origo pressurized stove and now I drop cans of sterno down the burner wells to heat coffee. I keep thinking about making an unpressurized drop-in replacement for the old pressurized burners but by now ther prob are not enough of these old units for it to sell well. You can find designs for unpressurized home-made alchohol stoves for backpacking. One is made from a coke can and some fiberglass insulation and I think you could adapt this concept to your burner wells. |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:59:17 -0600, Paul Cassel wrote: I find alcohol the least favorable fuel. It not only isn't very hot, Not hot? Way hotter than red hot is what it is. If the cookware doesn't absorb heat fast enough, it isn't the temperature, it is the size of the fire. If you tell me that all available alcohol stoves have insufficient output, OK. It is not a necessary characteristic of the fuel. The exhaust system on my alcohol burning car runs yellow hot. How hot do you need? They make these nice very wide mouth five gallon plastic jugs, round and rectangular. About 15 bucks. Car racers use them. Nice thick polyethylene, really sturdy. They are good for water too. Many car parts stores sell them, you don't need a special racer's shop, if there is such a thing. The methanol you can get from a truck at the sprint car races. By far the cheapest source. Indy cars also use it, so you can't say it is a wimpy fuel. 100 octane. So is propane. There is a bumboat that sells stuff to the crews of the Lakers. It sells propane. Ore boats use it for cooking. They don't worry about a leak setting the taconite on fire. They do have their large home size tanks out on deck, in the wind. They could easily have an electric stove if they wanted one.. Crew size is 29, that much cooking. I wish I had a propane stove, but whatever. Casady I have a pressure alcohol stove on Essie and I like it a lot. Fuel is readily available throughout the States, a gallon lasts me about forever since I don't really use it much (maybe a dozen times each summer), but when I do it will boil a kettle of water in less than 10 minutes. Would propane be hotter and boil that water faster? Possibly. But it would also cost about $1500 to replace my working stove. That will buy about 750 gallons of alcohol. People complain about "flares" with pressure stoves. I've never had one that wasn't entirely my fault, and not at all since I learned to use it properly. I might consider converting the stove to pressure kerosene some day, but for now, alcohol is just fine with me. |
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:10:53 -0700, Gordon wrote:
My Pearson 365 ketch currently has a pressurized alcohol Kenyon cook stove. This sucker has got to go! Propane would probably be the best way to go but finding a place to put the tank is a major PIA. I don't like hanging things on railings. Looks crummy and tends to loosen stanchions. And I don't like extra stuff on deck. Converting a space in a locker to meet all safety requirements also seems like a PIA. Also the cost. Tanks, solenoid. pressure regulator, hoses, sniffer, installation of wiring and hoses, yada yada Go, I'm also considering Origo alcohol stoves. Non pressurized, no tank, no hoses or electrical. However, alcohol is expensive and can be hard to find if doing extended cruising and you don't want to carry too much on board. Also, alcohol doesn't have the BTU's of propane. So, any good advice? Gordon I think that it really depends on how you use your boat. If your "cruising" is mostly over night, harbor to harbor, with frequent stops ashore for supper then almost anything will work for morning coffee and luncheon soup. On the other hand if you live aboard for extended periods and do any extensive cooking then LPG/Propane is the only answer. As how to store tanks, I built a bracket that mounts two 13 Kg. tanks outboard of the stern pulpit, doesn't look any worse then a barbecue. A commercial solenoid operated valve and associated wires and switches is cheap enough and the plumbing is really pretty simple. I install the solenoid valve after the regulators so it is a low pressure valve. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) |
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On Oct 9, 12:10 pm, Gordon wrote:
My Pearson 365 ketch currently has a pressurized alcohol Kenyon cook stove. This sucker has got to go! Propane would probably be the best way to go but finding a place to put the tank is a major PIA. I don't like hanging things on railings. Looks crummy and tends to loosen stanchions. And I don't like extra stuff on deck. Converting a space in a locker to meet all safety requirements also seems like a PIA. Also the cost. Tanks, solenoid. pressure regulator, hoses, sniffer, installation of wiring and hoses, yada yada Go, I'm also considering Origo alcohol stoves. Non pressurized, no tank, no hoses or electrical. However, alcohol is expensive and can be hard to find if doing extended cruising and you don't want to carry too much on board. Also, alcohol doesn't have the BTU's of propane. So, any good advice? Gordon I am a proponent of propane from way back. I would suggest installing the tank in an approved locker under the helmsman's seat. Don't know the layout of the cockpit on your P365, but that is where the propane tank sits on our P323. Peter P323 "Now or Never!" |
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On 2007-10-09 13:10:53 -0400, Gordon said:
My Pearson 365 ketch currently has a pressurized alcohol Kenyon cook stove. This sucker has got to go! Propane would probably be the best way to go but finding a place to put the tank is a major PIA. I don't like hanging things on railings. Looks crummy and tends to loosen stanchions. And I don't like extra stuff on deck. Converting a space in a locker to meet all safety requirements also seems like a PIA. Also the cost. Tanks, solenoid. pressure regulator, hoses, sniffer, installation of wiring and hoses, yada yada Go, I'm also considering Origo alcohol stoves. Non pressurized, no tank, no hoses or electrical. However, alcohol is expensive and can be hard to find if doing extended cruising and you don't want to carry too much on board. Also, alcohol doesn't have the BTU's of propane. I think you answered your own question: the Origo. It won't be as hot as a properly-adjusted pressure alcohol or propane stove, but will suffice for light work. Personally, we do most of our cooking on the propane grill, getting the heat out of the cabin. The Magma serves as a high-output single-burner stove. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's new pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI pages: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 18:06:18 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: People complain about "flares" with pressure stoves. I've never had one that wasn't entirely my fault, and not at all since I learned to use it properly. I might consider converting the stove to pressure kerosene some day, but for now, alcohol is just fine with me. A "flare" is a "flare", it doesn't matter who's fault it is when your boat cabin is on fire. They happen all too frequently with pressure stoves. That's why they have fallen out of favor. My recommendations for what they are worth: Smaller sailboat, occasional use - Origo Larger sailboat or frequent use - propane Power boat with generator - electric If you take a look at the sailboats that are actually out there doing serious cruising, the vast majority use propane. |
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"Jere Lull" wrote: Personally, we do most of our cooking on the propane grill, getting the heat out of the cabin. The Magma serves as a high-output single-burner stove. Somebody as finally found a use for that POS. As a grill. it is useless. Lew |
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A quick and dirty solution that is safe is a fold up, two (2) burner, propane stove with a torch bottle of propane. Use in in the cockpit. When finished and cool, fold up and stowe in a locker I still remember buying one at Sears in 1979 for $15. Think maybe $45 would do it today? Lew |
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On 2007-10-10 00:51:39 -0400, "Lew Hodgett" said:
"Jere Lull" wrote: The Magma serves as a high-output single-burner stove. Somebody as finally found a use for that POS. As a grill. it is useless. Shame you didn't have a good experience. Used our first one for 14-15 seasons and replaced it with the larger version when it came out. Made a lot of great meals, even some light baking. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's new pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI pages: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Propane is a viable solution.
If so, consider using propane torch bottles that you disconnect when not in service. Most expensive way to buy propane, but you don't use that much. Hi Lew: Interesting you should mention torch bottles today. Yesterday I was sweating on some Cu 1/2" water supply pipe. My last bottle was near empty so I went to my local Bi-Mart (Oregon) and got a new one. Pretty blue it was. Put on the new bottle and went to work. When finished, shut off the torch valve, and spun off the botttle.............................. Hisssssssssss went the bottle. The valve in the bottle did not close ! **** ! Ran outside and tossed the damn thing. Now, that had never happend to me in the 40 years Ive been using those things. And Ive plumbed two houses with copper supply, heated hubs, melted lead for all sorts of projects. Never had a failure. HOWEVER BE ADVISED/// A highschool buddy of mine was camping in the late 70s. He used a scew on propane bottle one burner cook stove when back packing. He ran out of propane, started to swap out the empty but the bottle valve failed to close. there was some flame left on the burner. That ignited the bottle. Now picture this..... He has a blow toarch inside his NYLON tent !. The tent went to flames, melted and fell on his upper body, His down coat melted and burst into flames............. 3rd degree burns to face and sholders........ It really scared him up. I always remember my friend Bob Hayes and his experince with spin-on propance bottles...... And now mine! I'm gonna stick to a built-in propane stove-locker-electric shut off valve and then close the bottle valve system. Although diesel is my first choice. Bob |
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"Bob" wrote: Interesting you should mention torch bottles today. snip a list of bottle failures HOWEVER BE ADVISED/// snip A highschool buddy of mine was camping in the late 70s. snip his sad tale Those bottle manufacturers would have no difficulty providing data that would show for every so many gazillion bottles made, they may have one failure. So be it, when you are dealing with a volatile gas, even one failure can not be accepted. SFWIW, I use a plumbers torch when sweating copper. Costs a tad more the Home Depot version, so keep it connected to the bottle to protect the threads and to use the shut off valve. YMMV Lew |
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Gordon wrote:
My Pearson 365 ketch currently has a pressurized alcohol Kenyon cook stove. This sucker has got to go! Propane would probably be the best way to go but finding a place to put the tank is a major PIA. I don't like hanging things on railings. Looks crummy and tends to loosen stanchions. And I don't like extra stuff on deck. Converting a space in a locker to meet all safety requirements also seems like a PIA. Also the cost. Tanks, solenoid. pressure regulator, hoses, sniffer, installation of wiring and hoses, yada yada Go, I'm also considering Origo alcohol stoves. Non pressurized, no tank, no hoses or electrical. However, alcohol is expensive and can be hard to find if doing extended cruising and you don't want to carry too much on board. Also, alcohol doesn't have the BTU's of propane. So, any good advice? Gordon Use Scotch. The single malts burn quite well, and if you don't need to cook, you can drink the stuff! Cognac also burns well. Dennis (from Scotland). |
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:34:55 -0700, Frogwatch
wrote: Pressurized alchohol stoves are about the most dangerous thing I have ever seen on boats. The most dangerous thing I have seen on a boat were these little waxed paper sticks that had 'dangerous' right on the label. Fishing tackle my buddy called them. Fifty percent nitroglycerine they were, and in use they were pretty noisy. Casady |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:08:14 GMT, "Dennis Pogson"
wrote: Use Scotch. The single malts burn quite well, and if you don't need to cook, you can drink the stuff! Cognac also burns well. Moonshine straight from the still, is 80 to 90 percent ethanol. And you can dilute it and drink it. Much better fuel than scotch which is often only 35% alcohol. I as usual I deny everything. Casady |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... A "flare" is a "flare", it doesn't matter who's fault it is when your boat cabin is on fire. They happen all too frequently with pressure stoves. That's why they have fallen out of favor. My recommendations for what they are worth: And a propane explosion is a propane explosion, and it doesn't matter whose fault it was when your boat is in pieces. And like propane explosions, flares can be prevented. Smaller sailboat, occasional use - Origo Larger sailboat or frequent use - propane Power boat with generator - electric If you take a look at the sailboats that are actually out there doing serious cruising, the vast majority use propane. I had propane on my previous boat, and liked it a lot. Two tanks mounted in the cockpit footwell, any leaks would drain overboard through the scuppers. Solonoid regulated, sniffer mounted in the galley, the works. But I found it to be a hassle having to take those tanks out for a walk when they needed a refill. With alcohol or kerosene fueled stoves, all you need is a container. Much easier. And kerosene will be available in places where propane is impossible to find. But a diesel stove would be even better. |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:28:33 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: And kerosene will be available in places where propane is impossible to find. But a diesel stove would be even better. I would guess that a kerosene stove would burn diesel OK, but you can get kerosene with a lower sulfur content, and you don't need a coating sulfurous acid over everything in the boat. Dampen a piece of blue litmus paper and hold it in the exhaust of a diesel and see for yourself. If the burner exhaust went over the side, that would be another thing, but sailboats don't seem to have stoves with exhaust fans, unless maybe they are big enough to be considered a tall ship. The right room heater will be vented outside, and may even have a top hot enough to keep a coffee pot warm, if not to cook with. I think a kerosene camping stove set up in the cockpit, would be OK with diesel. Five gallons of kerosene will last quite a while cooking for, say, four people. I like the five gallon wide mouth plastic jugs the car racers use. $15 at most car parts houses. They are nice and sturdy. Casady |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:28:33 -0500, "KLC Lewis" wrote: And kerosene will be available in places where propane is impossible to find. But a diesel stove would be even better. I would guess that a kerosene stove would burn diesel OK, but you can get kerosene with a lower sulfur content, and you don't need a coating sulfurous acid over everything in the boat. Dampen a piece of blue litmus paper and hold it in the exhaust of a diesel and see for yourself. If the burner exhaust went over the side, that would be another thing, but sailboats don't seem to have stoves with exhaust fans, unless maybe they are big enough to be considered a tall ship. The right room heater will be vented outside, and may even have a top hot enough to keep a coffee pot warm, if not to cook with. I think a kerosene camping stove set up in the cockpit, would be OK with diesel. Five gallons of kerosene will last quite a while cooking for, say, four people. I like the five gallon wide mouth plastic jugs the car racers use. $15 at most car parts houses. They are nice and sturdy. Casady If I were to ever replace my pressure alcohol stove, I would probably go for the Wallas diesel. No exposed flame, exhausts and intakes air from outside the cabin, doubles as a cabin heater. |
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Somebody wrote:
And kerosene will be available in places where propane is impossible to find............. You have never tried to find kerosene in SoCal. Lew |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:50:03 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: If I were to ever replace my pressure alcohol stove, I would probably go for the Wallas diesel. No exposed flame, exhausts and intakes air from outside the cabin, doubles as a cabin heater. That sounds good. I wonder if they use them on motor homes. Of course those don't have any trouble getting propane. Casady |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:35:19 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote: Somebody wrote: And kerosene will be available in places where propane is impossible to find............. You have never tried to find kerosene in SoCal. Yes, and while jet fuel may start out as kerosene, it has additives that when burned, give me a headache. Stuff to kill microorganisms, retard icing, stuff like that. Don't even think about it. Casady |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... Somebody wrote: And kerosene will be available in places where propane is impossible to find............. You have never tried to find kerosene in SoCal. Lew Actually I have. I used to live in Long Beach, and spent four years living aboard in Wilmington. I bought kerosene regularly at Home Depot, and other places, to use in our cabin lamps. |
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"KLC Lewis" wrote: Actually I have. I used to live in Long Beach, and spent four years living aboard in Wilmington. I bought kerosene regularly at Home Depot, and other places, to use in our cabin lamps. Since you once lived here, SCAQMD has meaning to you. They have insured that today, kerosene is a distant memery, even in Wilmington. But then the city is putting the squeeze on liveaboards, especially in Wilmington. Lew |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... "KLC Lewis" wrote: Actually I have. I used to live in Long Beach, and spent four years living aboard in Wilmington. I bought kerosene regularly at Home Depot, and other places, to use in our cabin lamps. Since you once lived here, SCAQMD has meaning to you. They have insured that today, kerosene is a distant memery, even in Wilmington. But then the city is putting the squeeze on liveaboards, especially in Wilmington. Lew Figures. California's "government" had a lot to do with our decision to leave. Guess they won't be satisfied until the "air" is as pure as when God made it, eh? |
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"KLC Lewis" wrote: Figures. California's "government" had a lot to do with our decision to leave. Guess they won't be satisfied until the "air" is as pure as when God made it, eh? Actually, you may be able to buy a gallon of Kero at Home Depot, if you are willing to pay about $15/gal for it. Any of the VOC solvents are in that price range. As far as the docks are concerned, the mayor wants move port development for handling container ships, so the squeeze is on. No more working on you boats, no more derelict boats, etc, etc. Where are you these days? Lew |
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"Alan Gomes" wrote: Lew, Where are you located? I'm in San Pedro (Holiday Harbor). Been building in Long Beach Check out: http://LewsSailBoat.googlepages.com/home Lew |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... Actually, you may be able to buy a gallon of Kero at Home Depot, if you are willing to pay about $15/gal for it. Any of the VOC solvents are in that price range. As far as the docks are concerned, the mayor wants move port development for handling container ships, so the squeeze is on. No more working on you boats, no more derelict boats, etc, etc. Where are you these days? Lew About 30 miles from Green Bay, Wisconsin. Sailing season is dreadfully short, winters abominably long, but other than that it's perfect. :-D |
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"KLC Lewis wrote: About 30 miles from Green Bay, Wisconsin. Does that put you in Racine? Sailing season is dreadfully short, winters abominably long, but other than that it's perfect. Tell me about it, that's why I left. Lew |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... "KLC Lewis wrote: About 30 miles from Green Bay, Wisconsin. Does that put you in Racine? No, I sail out of Marinette. Lots of great anchorages in the Bay called Green. Sailing season is dreadfully short, winters abominably long, but other than that it's perfect. Tell me about it, that's why I left. Lew |
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"KLC Lewis" wrote No, I sail out of Marinette. Lots of great anchorages in the Bay called Green. As well as LutefiskG. Am on the Yacht-L list with Jan Guthrie, who operates her yacht brokerage out of Racine. BTW, you might want to check out Yacht-L. I've been on it for years. Things have been quite lately, but has a greaat bunch of members. Lew |
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