On 2007-10-02 23:44:13 -0400, Wayne.B said:

I just spent 3 days in Baltimore inner harbor docked next to a couple
on a very nice 55 ft ketch. They are from the Great Lakes and have
never sailed over night or made an offshore passage of any type.

That said, they are planning to go offshore from the southern
Chesapeake in late October and sail non-stop to the AVI/BVI without
benefit of a stop in Bermuda. From there they are planning to sail
around the world. I just didn't have the heart to tell them what I
thought of the whole idea. Hopefully we won't be reading about them
but you have to wonder.

You know, I was about to say that I wouldn't hesitate to advise them
against it, but then reread and thought: We could be described
similarly though I'm considered fairly competent by those whose
opinions matter to me, the ones who have done it.

With the right boat, I might do the same thing, *particularly* going
with the annual race between Norfolk and the BVI whose name escapes me.

The idea of doing that long first step then idling downwind back to the
Bahamas appeals to me. In addition, we'd be following the warmth north.

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's new pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI pages: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:02:12 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

You know, I was about to say that I wouldn't hesitate to advise them
against it, but then reread and thought: We could be described
similarly though I'm considered fairly competent by those whose
opinions matter to me, the ones who have done it.

It really comes down to more than competence in my opinion. There are
intangibles that come only from experience, and those lessons are best
learned in small doses where the situation is less likely to spiral
out of control when (not if) things start to go wrong. Boats and
people both react a great deal differently when offshore in blue
water, as opposed to coastal cruising in relatively protected water
with a nearby harbor readily at hand.

When the wind is blowing 25 to 30 kts things can get pretty ugly
offshore, people get fatigued and the gear is severely tested.

I tried to convince the owner to plan a stop in Bermuda but was
unsuccessful. That would have given them the equivalent of a 3 day
shake down cruise and a chance to regroup if things were going wrong.

Wayne.B wrote in
:

On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:11:15 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

In my view, their primary errors were (and this won't be news to them):
1) Rushing. Trying to run before "walk" has been mastered.
2) Having and relying on too many complex onboard systems, particularly
as most were unproven and have since been discovered to be NFG. (clean
version: not found good).

This may be more common than we may think.

I just spent 3 days in Baltimore inner harbor docked next to a couple
on a very nice 55 ft ketch. They are from the Great Lakes and have
never sailed over night or made an offshore passage of any type.

That said, they are planning to go offshore from the southern
Chesapeake in late October and sail non-stop to the AVI/BVI without
benefit of a stop in Bermuda. From there they are planning to sail
around the world. I just didn't have the heart to tell them what I
thought of the whole idea. Hopefully we won't be reading about them
but you have to wonder.


I've done the passage from Newport, RI and from Norfolk, VA to the BVIs
non-stop twice without stopping in Bermuda. You have to leave that late to
avoid hurricanes.

Now as far as never having done an overnight or off-shore, that's another
matter. Having said that, on my first passage from Newport, I had never
done anything of that magnitude. It didn't blow less than 32 kts for the
first 7 days and I was bruised, sore and tired, but we made it without any
real issues.

Time will only tell if they really want to sail around the world. This
will be a good test.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

On Oct 3, 6:42 am, "Roger Long" wrote:


The boat was still up behind the shed when I went by a few years later. I
don't know what eventually happend to it.

--
Roger Long

Here they crush them and put em in dumpsters. I currently have a 40'
widows mast under my bldg. He died, she wan't so much for the boat it
sat so long she stopped paying rent. Looks like the guy who did wood
work for her will make a flag pole out of it since she never paid for
all the work.

Kinda sad, but happens all the time...the good side is if you are
willing to work on a boat it's a good source of bargain boats.

Joe

On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:04:14 -0500, Geoff Schultz
wrote:

It didn't blow less than 32 kts for the
first 7 days and I was bruised, sore and tired

I can easily imagine.

Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:02:12 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

You know, I was about to say that I wouldn't hesitate to advise them
against it, but then reread and thought: We could be described
similarly though I'm considered fairly competent by those whose
opinions matter to me, the ones who have done it.

It really comes down to more than competence in my opinion. There are
intangibles that come only from experience, and those lessons are best
learned in small doses where the situation is less likely to spiral
out of control when (not if) things start to go wrong. Boats and
people both react a great deal differently when offshore in blue
water, as opposed to coastal cruising in relatively protected water
with a nearby harbor readily at hand.

When the wind is blowing 25 to 30 kts things can get pretty ugly
offshore, people get fatigued and the gear is severely tested.

I tried to convince the owner to plan a stop in Bermuda but was
unsuccessful. That would have given them the equivalent of a 3 day
shake down cruise and a chance to regroup if things were going wrong.

Are you saying it only takes 3 days to get to Bermuda? I thought it
was more like a week (depending on the wind). It takes a cruise ship
at 18 knots about 48 hours.

In any case, if they are going with the Caribbean 1500, they have to
have certain equipment, and they will have communication with others.
This is from the website:

Following the start, planned for Sunday, Nov 4th, participants will share positions twice daily during scheduled chat hours. Problems and solutions are discussed, as are privately arranged weather forecasts.The fleet will gather at the Bluewater Yachting Center in Hampton, VA, for several days of briefings and final preparations leading up to the start. All participants are invited and newer passage makers are encouraged to arrive two days early (November 1) for additional briefings and inspections.

Required Briefings for Skippers:

* Inspection Briefing, Medical Topics, Communications Briefing (procedures, schedules, frequencies), Sailing Instructions, Navigation and Landfall review
* Weather Briefing and Gulf Stream Analysis

Additional Briefings for Skippers and Crew:

* Women's Roundtables, Offshore Fishing Techniques, Life Raft Demonstration and Distress Signal Workshop, Sail Repair Workshop, Diesel Engine Troubleshooting Workshop
* Evening Social Gatherings

The Caribbean 1500 is both a rally and a cruise in company from the US to the British Virgin Islands. Some 900 boats have chosen to join the Caribbean 1500 in making their passage to the islands, and they find it a very special experience, as our many repeat participants attest. Once the fleet arrives at Tortola, nightly awards parties will bring participants together to swap experiences and exchange cruising plans. The passage typically takes 6-10 days

On Oct 4, 9:04 am, Joe wrote:
On Oct 3, 6:42 am, "Roger Long" wrote:



The boat was still up behind the shed when I went by a few years later. I
don't know what eventually happend to it.

--
Roger Long

Here they crush them and put em in dumpsters. I currently have a 40'
widows mast under my bldg. He died, she wan't so much for the boat it
sat so long she stopped paying rent. Looks like the guy who did wood
work for her will make a flag pole out of it since she never paid for
all the work.

Kinda sad, but happens all the time...the good side is if you are
willing to work on a boat it's a good source of bargain boats.

Joe

P.S. kinda funny, they are doing the final strip on a boat they will
soon crush..It's been sitting idle 10 yrs I know of.

The name is " We Dream"

Joe

On Oct 4, 8:48 am, Joe wrote:

P.S. kinda funny, they are doing the final strip on a boat they will
soon crush..It's been sitting idle 10 yrs I know of.

The name is " We Dream"


Uggg............ the more I hear someone use the word "Dream" in a
sentence about sailing the less I listen. Seems to be the kiss of
death (for the boat). The other is "Destiny." I cant emagine why a
person would name their boat with the word Pig in it regardless if it
could fly. Good boats deserve good boat names...... honerable names that
show respect for the design. And not names like Wet Spot or Breakin
Wind etc.
Bob

On Oct 4, 11:51 am, Bob wrote:
On Oct 4, 8:48 am, Joe wrote:

P.S. kinda funny, they are doing the final strip on a boat they will
soon crush..It's been sitting idle 10 yrs I know of.

The name is " We Dream"

Uggg............ the more I hear someone use the word "Dream" in a
sentence about sailing the less I listen. Seems to be the kiss of
death (for the boat). The other is "Destiny." I cant emagine why a
person would name their boat with the word Pig in it regardless if it
could fly. Good boats deserve good boat names...... honerable names that
show respect for the design. And not names like Wet Spot or Breakin
Wind etc.
Bob

Yelp Destiny was a very bad luck boat for me and my wife. She was a
140ft aluminum crewboat running out of lousianna. We just reported
aboard and as second captain the sr Captain decided to take the boat
out, offload then I would bring her in. Socked in fog on the
Atchafalaya outbound and the Captain made a one whistle passing
agreement the the crewboat Dare a 125 footer. Neither retard slowed
down to pass and the last thing my wife saw before being knocked out
was a green running light. Smashed in our bow 20+ ft and about 35 ft
on the smaller boat. We were doing 22 kts and the Dare was doing
25kts. My wife hit the radar Broke ribs, ruptured spleen and lacerated
her kidney. I was below in the bunk and went up the bulkhead.

This is a picture of the Destiny's wheelhouse and my lovely wife.
She was standing at the chart table flew across the wheelhouse and hit
the radar in the picture.

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/241...63212926kwotKu

Joe

On Oct 4, 10:36 am, Joe wrote:

This is a picture of the Destiny's wheelhouse and my lovely wife.
She was standing at the chart table flew across the wheelhouse and hit
the radar in the picture.

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/241...63212926kwotKu

Joe

Damn Joe, l Thats one hot coon ass bitch!

Ugg, crewboat rides! Can still remember that pack of 12V71 screamin
below and the pounding rides. But having her along would make up for
it.

I worked out of Morgan City and lived in Patterson in the way early
80s. Were you sitting on the next bar stool in Gro Johns? or how ever
it was spelled.
Bob