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I just joined the group and thought I'd say hi. My name's Regina. I'm
a stay-at-home mom of two girls, (6 and 8). My family and I live
aboard our 66' Bruce Roberts HM 56 full time.

We bought he boat on ebay as a liveaboard project boat. We're going to
put a schooner rig on her and re-do the interior of the boat along
with the systems. As we're planning to make all the systems simple, it
won't cost as much.

Our goal with Boudicca is to live on and circumnavigate in a large
boat on a small budget.

I started a blog to follow our progress, (http://
schoonerboudicca.blogspot.com), though within the next week or two,
I'll be building a whole website, including blog, at http://www.SchoonerBoudicca.com.

I look forward to being part of the list...

Regina

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Welcome. "New Member" isn't quite the concept though. Think of this
place as like a waterfront bar. Anyone can walk in and, sometimes, we
wish they couldn't. Unlike a bar, unfortunately, there is no one to throw
the wacko's and drunks out. That's what your killfile is for.

BTW the link to your web site doesn't go anywhere.

--
Roger Long

Even the Capt Neals & Wilbers of the world need a place to
polute...otherwise they'd be out on the waterways or highways endangering
responsible people.

SchoonerBoudicca wrote in
oups.com:

I just joined the group and thought I'd say hi. My name's Regina. I'm
a stay-at-home mom of two girls, (6 and 8). My family and I live
aboard our 66' Bruce Roberts HM 56 full time.

Welcome aboard, Regina! When in here, it's best to wear your foul
weather gear to repel the stuff thrown at you, but it's a pretty
interesting place to park. Best of luck with your project boat....

Larry
--

Long ago, I wrote a little "Liveaboard Simulator" for people thinking
about living aboard to try out before they buy the $100,000 mistake. I
haven't posted it in a while, so I'll donate it to you. Feel free to put
it on your blog, everyone else has. I'm amazed at how many places across
the planet I keep stumbling onto it...(c; Here ya go:

"The Liveaboard Simulator"

Just for fun, park your cars in the lot of the convenience store
at least 2 blocks from your house. (Make believe the sidewalk is a
floating dock between your car and the house.

Move yourself and your family (If applicable) into 2 bedrooms and 1
bathroom. Measure the DECK space INSIDE your boat. Make sure the
occupied house has no more space, or closet space, or drawer space.

Boats don't have room for "beds", as such. Fold your Sealy
Posturepedic up against a wall, it won't fit on a boat. Go to a hobby
fabric store and buy a foam pad 5' 10" long and 4' wide AND NO MORE
THAN 3" THICK. Cut it into a triangle so the little end is only 12"
wide. This simulates the foam pad in the V-berth up in the pointy bow
of the sailboat. Bring in the kitchen table from the kitchen you're
not allowed to use. Put the pad UNDER the table, on the floor, so you
can simulate the 3' of headroom over the pad.
Block off both long sides of the pad, and the pointy end so you have
to climb aboard the V-berth from the wide end where your pillows will
be. The hull blocks off the sides of a V-berth and you have to climb
up over the end of it through a narrow opening (hatch to main cabin)
on a boat. You'll climb over your mate's head to go to the potty in
the night. No fun for either party. Test her mettle and resolve by
getting up this way right after you go to bed at night. There are lots
of things to do on a boat and you'll forget at least one of them,
thinking about it laying in bed, like "Did I remember to tie off the
dingy better?" or "Is that spring line (at the dock) or anchor line
(anchored out) as tight as it should be?" Boaters who don't worry
about things like this laying in bed are soon aground or on
fire or the laughing stock of an anchorage.... You need to find out
how much climbing over her she will tolerate BEFORE you're stuck with
a big boat and big marina bills and she refuses to sleep aboard it any
more.....

Bring a coleman stove into the bathroom and set it next to the
bathroom sink. Your boat's sink is smaller, but we'll let you use the
bathroom sink, anyways. Do all your cooking in the bathroom, WITHOUT
using the bathroom power vent. If you have a boat vent, it'll be a
useless 12v one that doesn't draw near the air your bathroom power
vent draws to take away cooking odors. Leave the hall door open to
simulate the open hatch. Take all the screens off your 2 bedroom's
windows. Leave the windows open to let in the bugs that will invade
your boat at dusk, and the flies attracted to the cooking.

Borrow a 25 gallon drum mounted on a trailer. Flush your
toilets into the drums. Trailer the drums to the convenience store to
dump them when they get full. Turn off your sewer, you won't have
one. This will simulate going to the "pump out station" every time the
tiny drum is full. 25 gallons is actually LARGER than most holding
tanks.
They're more like 15 gallons on small sailboats under 40' because they
were added to the boat after the law changed requiring them and there
was no place to put it or a bigger one. They fill up really fast if
you liveaboard!

Unless your boat is large enough to have a big "head" with full bath,
make believe your showers/bathtubs don't work. Make a deal with
someone next door to the convenience store to use THEIR bathroom for
bathing at the OTHER end of the DOCK. (Marina rest room) If you use
this rest room to potty, while you're there, make believe it has no
paper towels or toilet paper. Bring your own. Bring your own soap
and anything else you'd like to use there, too.

If your boat HAS a shower in its little head, we'll let you use the
shower end of the bathtub, but only as much tub as the boat has FREE
shower space
for standing to shower. As the boat's shower drains into a little pan
in the bilge, be sure to leave the soapy shower water in the bottom of
the tub for a few days before draining it. Boat shower sumps always
smell like spent soap growing exotic living organisms science hasn't
actually discovered or named, yet. Make sure your simulated V-berth is
less than 3' from this soapy water for sleeping. The shower sump is
under the passageway to the V-berth next to your pillows.

Run you whole house through a 20 amp breaker to simulate available
dock power at the marina. If you're thinking of anchoring out, turn
off the main breaker and "make do" with a boat battery and
flashlights. Don't forget you have to heat your house on this 20A
supply and try to keep the water from freezing in winter.

Turn off the water main valve in front of your house. Run a hose from
your neighbor's lawn spigot over to your lawn spigot and get all your
water from there. Try to keep the hose from freezing all winter.

As your boat won't have a laundry, disconnect yours. Go to a boat
supply place, like West Marine, and buy you a dock cart. Haul ALL
your supplies, laundry, garbage, etc. between the car at the
convenience store and house in this cart. Once a week, haul your
outboard motor to the car, leave it a day then haul it back to the
house, in the cart, to simulate "boat problems" that require "boat
parts" to be removed/replaced on your "dock". If ANYTHING ever comes
out of that cart between the convenience store and the house, put it
in your garage and forget about it. (Simulates losing it over the
side of the dock, where it sank in 23' of water and was dragged off by
the current.)

Each morning, about 5AM, have someone you don't know run a weedeater
back and forth under your bedroom windows to simulate the fishermen
leaving the marina to go fishing. Have him slam trunk lids, doors,
blow car horns and bang some heavy pans together from 4AM to 5AM
before lighting off the weedeater. (Simulates loading boats
with booze and fishing gear and gas cans.) Once a week, have him bang
the running weedeater into your bedroom wall to simulate the idiot who
drove his boat into the one you're sleeping in because he was half
asleep leaving the dock. Put a rope over a big hook in the ceiling
over your "bed". Put a sheet of plywood under your pad with a place
to hook a rope to one side or the other. Hook one end of the rope
to the plywood hook and the other end out where he can pull on it.
As soon as he shuts off the weedeater, have him pull hard 9 times
on the rope to tilt your bed at least 30 degrees. (Simulates the wakes of
the fishermen blasting off trying to beat each other to the fishing.)
Anytime there is a storm in your area, have someone constantly pull on
the rope. It's rough riding storms in the marina or anchored out! If your
boat is a sailboat, install a big wire from the top of the tallest tree
to your electrical ground in the house to simulate mast lightning strikes
in the marina, or to give you the thought of potential lightning strikes.

Each time you "go out", or think of going boating away from your
marina, disconnect the neighbor's water hose, your electric wires, all
the umbilicals your new boat will use to make life more bearable in
the marina.
Use bottled drinking water for 2 days for everything. Get one of those
5 gallon jugs with the airpump on top from a bottled water company.
This is your boat's "at sea" water system simulator. You'll learn to
conserve water this way. Of course, not having the marina's AC power
supply, you'll be lighting and all from a car battery, your only
source of power. If you own or can borrow a generator, feel free to
leave it running to provide AC power up to the limit of the generator.
If you're thinking about a 30' sailboat, you won't have room for a
generator so don't use it.

Any extra family members must be sleeping on the settees in the main
cabin or in the quarter berth under the cockpit....unless you intend
to get a boat over 40-something feet with an aft cabin. Smaller boats
have quarter berths. Cut a pad out of the same pad material that is no
more than 2' wide by 6' long. Get a cardboard box from an appliance
store that a SMALL refridgerator came in. Put the pad in the box, cut
to fit, and make sure only one end of the box is open. The box can be
no more than 2 feet above the pad. Quarter berths are really tight.
Make them sleep in there, with little or no air circulation. That's
what sleeping in a quarterberth is all about.

Of course, to simulate sleeping anchored out for the weekend, no heat
or air conditioning will be used and all windows will be open without
screens so the bugs can get in.

In the mornings, everybody gets up and goes out on the patio to enjoy
the sunrise. Then, one person at a time goes back inside to dress,
shave, clean themselves in the tiny cabin unless you're a family of
nudists who don't mind looking at each other in the buff. You can't
get dressed in the stinky little head with the door closed on a
sailboat. Hell, there's barely room to bend over so you can sit on the
commode. So, everyone will dress in the main cabin....one at a time.

Boat tables are 2' x 4' and mounted next to the settee. There's no
room for chairs in a boat. So, eat off a 2X4' space on that kitchen
table you slept under while sitting on a couch (settee simulator). You
can also go out with breakfast and sit on the patio (cockpit), if you
like.

Ok, breakfast is over. Crank up the lawnmower under the window for 2
hours. It's time to recharge the batteries from last night's usage and
to freeze the coldplate in the boat's icebox which runs off a
compressor on the engine. Get everybody to clean up your little hovel.
Don't forget to make the beds from ONE END ONLY. You can't get to the
other 3 sides of a boat bed pad.

All hands go outside and washdown the first fiberglass UPS truck that
passes by. That's about how big the deck is on your 35' sailboat that
needs to have the ocean cleaned off it daily or it'll turn the white
fiberglass all brown like the UPS truck. Now, doesn't the UPS truck
look nice like your main deck?

Ok, we're going to need some food, do the laundry, buy some boat parts
that failed because the manufacturer's bean counters got cheap and
used plastics and the wife wants to "eat out, I'm fed up with cooking
on the Coleman stove" today. Let's make believe we're not at home, but
in some exotic port like Ft Lauderdale, today....on our cruise to Key
West......Before "going ashore", plan on buying all the food you'll
want to eat that will:
A - Fit into the Coleman Cooler on the floor
B - You can cook on the Coleman stove without an oven or all those
fancy
kitchen tools you don't have on the boat
C - And will last you for 10 days, in case the wind drops and it takes
more time than we planned at sea.
Plan meals carefully in a boat. We can't buy more than we can STORE,
either!

You haven't washed clothes since you left home and everything is
dirty. Even if it's not, pretend it is for the boater-away-from-home
simulator. Put all the clothes in your simulated boat in a huge
dufflebag so we can take it to the LAUNDRY! Manny's Marina HAS a
laundromat, but the hot water heater is busted (for the last 8 months)
and Manny has "parts on order" for it.....saving Manny $$$$ on the
electric bill! Don't forget to carry the big dufflebag with us on our
"excursion". God that bag stinks, doesn't it?....PU!

Of course, we came here by BOAT, so we don't have a car. Some nice
marinas have a shuttle bus, but they're not a taxi. The shuttle bus
will only go to West Marine or the tourist traps, so we'll be either
taking the city bus, if there is one or taxi cabs or shopping at the
marina store which has almost nothing to buy at enormous prices.

Walk to the 7-11 store, where you have your car stored, but ignore the
car.
Make believe it isn't there. No one drove it to Ft Lauderdale for you.
Use the payphone at the 7-11 and call a cab. Don't give the cab driver
ANY instructions because in Ft Lauderdale you haven't the foggiest
idea where West Marine is located or how to get there, unlike at home.
We'll go to West Marine, first, because if we don't the "head" back on
the boat won't be working for a week because little Suzy broke a valve
in it trying to flush some paper towels. This is your MOST important
project, today....that valve in the toilet!! After the cab drivers
drives around for an hour looking for West Marine and asking his
dispatcher how to get there. Don't forget to UNLOAD your stuff from
the cab, including the dirty clothes in the dufflebag then go into
West Marine and give the clerk a $100 bill, simulating the cost of
toilet parts. Lexus parts are cheaper than toilet parts at West
Marine. See for yourself! The valve she broke, the
seals that will have to be replaced on the way into the valve will
come to $100 easy. Tell the clerk you're using my liveaboard simulator
and to take his girlfriend out to dinner on your $100 greenback. If
you DO buy the boat, this'll come in handy when you DO need boat parts
because he'll remember you for the great time his girlfriend gave him
on your $100 tip.
Hard-to-find boat parts will arrive in DAYS, not months like the rest
of us. It's just a good political move while in simulation mode.

Call another cab from West Marine's phone, saving 50c on payphone
charges.
Load the cab with all your stuff, toilet parts, DIRTY CLOTHES then
tell the cabbie to take you to the laundromat so we can wash the
stinky clothes in the trunk. The luxury marina's laundry in Ft
Lauderdale has a broken hot water heater. They're working on it, the
girl at the store counter, said, yesterday. Mentioning the $12/ft you
paid to park the boat at their dock won't get the laundry working
before we leave for Key West. Do your laundry in the laundromat the
cabbie found for you. Just because noone speaks English in this
neighborhood, don't worry. You'll be fine this time of day near noon.

Call another cab to take us out of here to a supermarket. When you get
there, resist the temptation to "load up" because your boat has
limited storage and very limited refridgeration space (remember?
Coleman Cooler).
Buy from the list we made early this morning. Another package of
cookies is OK. Leave one of the kids guarding the pile of clean
laundry just inside the supermarket's front door....We learned our
lesson and DIDN'T forget and leave it in the cab, again!

Call another cab to take us back to the marina, loaded up with clean
clothes and food and all-important boat parts. Isn't Ft Lauderdale
beautiful from a cab? It's too late to go exploring, today. Maybe
tomorrow.... Don't forget to tell the cab to go to the 7-11 (marina
parking lot)....not your front door....cabs don't float well.

Ok, haul all the stuff in the dock cart from the 7-11 store the two
blocks to the "boat" bedroom. Wait 20 minutes before starting out for
the house.
This simulates waiting for someone to bring back a marina-owned dock
cart from down the docks.....They always leave them outside their
boats, until the marina "crew" get fed up with newbies like us asking
why there aren't any carts and go down the docks to retrieve them.

Put all the stuff away, food and clothes, in the tiny drawer space
provided. Have a beer on the patio (cockpit) and watch the sunset.
THIS is living!

Now, disassemble the toilet in your bathroom, take out the wax ring
under it and put it back. Reassemble the toilet. This completes the
simulation of putting the new valve in the "head" on the boat. Uh, uh,
NO POWERVENT!
GET YOUR HAND OFF THAT SWITCH! The whole "boat" smells like the inside
of the holding tank for hours after fixing the toilet in a real boat,
too! Spray some Lysol if you got it....

After getting up, tomorrow morning, from your "V-Berth", take the
whole family out to breakfast by WALKING to the nearest restaurant,
then take a cab to any local park or attraction you like. We're off
today to see the sights of Ft Lauderdale.....before heading out to
sea, again, to Key West.
Take a cab back home after dinner out and go to bed, exhausted, on
your little foam pad under the table.....

Get up this morning and disconnect all hoses, electrical wires, etc.
Get ready for "sea". Crank up the lawn mower under the open bedroom
window for 4 hours while we motor out to find some wind. ONE
responsible adult MUST be sitting on the hot patio all day, in shifts,
"on watch" looking out for other boats, ships, etc. If you have a
riding lawn mower, let the person "on watch" drive it around the yard
all day to simulate driving the boat down the ICW in heavy traffic.
About 2PM, turn off the engine and just have them sit on the mower
"steering" it on the patio. We're under sail, now. Every hour or so,
take everyone out in the yard with a big rope and have a tug-of-war to
simulate the work involved with setting sail, changing sail, trimming
sail. Make sure everyone gets all sweaty in the heat.
Sailors working on sailboats are always all sweaty or we're not going
anywhere fast! Do this all day, today, all night, tonight, all day,
tomorrow, all night tomorrow night and all day the following day until
5PM when you "arrive" at the next port you're going to. Make sure
noone in the family leaves the confines of the little bedroom or the
patio during our "trip". Make sure everyone conserves water, battery
power, etc., things you'll want to conserve while being at sea on a
trip somewhere. Everyone can go up to the 7-11 for an icecream as soon
as we get the "boat" docked on day 3, the first time anyone has left
the confines of the bedroom/patio in 3 days.

Question - Was anyone suicidal during our simulated voyage? Keep an
eye out for anyone with a problem being cooped up with other family
members. If anyone is attacked, any major fights break out, any
threats to throw the captain to the fish.....forget all about boats
and buy a motorhome, instead.

"Roger Long" wrote in news:46e93773$0$32479
:

--
Roger Long

By the way, Regina, we don't have many famous people in our little
waterfront bar, but Roger Long is one of them. If you watched the
Discovery Channel's Titanic excursions and research our Roger Long is THAT
Roger Long and we're quite proud to be in his midst....

He's also for hire if you need a marine architect!

Larry
--
Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium"
The ultimate dirty bomb......

On Sep 13, 10:33 am, SchoonerBoudicca
wrote:
I just joined the group and thought I'd say hi. My name's Regina. I'm
a stay-at-home mom of two girls, (6 and 8). My family and I live
aboard our 66' Bruce Roberts HM 56 full time.

We bought he boat on ebay as a liveaboard project boat. We're going to
put a schooner rig on her and re-do the interior of the boat along
with the systems. As we're planning to make all the systems simple, it
won't cost as much.

Our goal with Boudicca is to live on and circumnavigate in a large
boat on a small budget.

I started a blog to follow our progress, (http://
schoonerboudicca.blogspot.com), though within the next week or two,
I'll be building a whole website, including blog, athttp://www.SchoonerBoudicca.com.

I look forward to being part of the list...

Regina

Thought it might be a misspelling and thinking back some 60+ years to
how it was spelt when a schoolboy tried
'schoonerboudicea................. ".
But that didn't work either! What gives!
This a troll???????????????????
Or as some might say 'A wind up'?

On Sep 13, 8:58 am, terry wrote:
On Sep 13, 10:33 am, SchoonerBoudicca
wrote:

I just joined the group and thought I'd say hi. My name's Regina. I'm
a stay-at-home mom of two girls, (6 and 8). My family and I live
aboard our 66' Bruce Roberts HM 56 full time.

We bought he boat on ebay as a liveaboard project boat. We're going to
put a schooner rig on her and re-do the interior of the boat along
with the systems. As we're planning to make all the systems simple, it
won't cost as much.

Our goal with Boudicca is to live on and circumnavigate in a large
boat on a small budget.

I started a blog to follow our progress, (http://
schoonerboudicca.blogspot.com), though within the next week or two,
I'll be building a whole website, including blog, athttp://www.SchoonerBoudicca.com.

I look forward to being part of the list...

Regina

Thought it might be a misspelling and thinking back some 60+ years to
how it was spelt when a schoolboy tried
'schoonerboudicea................. ".
But that didn't work either! What gives!
This a troll???????????????????

Probably WillBurrr at work again....................
Maybe this new character/member is suited beter for his personal
needs. O, what was that movie recently..??? Stardust, Starsomthing. It
was a fantasy/sci-fi about a kid who fell in love with a "hot" star
that fell to earth and some bad witches. ANyway, the cut throat
Captain was a closet cross dressing gay type prancing around singing
show tunes in his cabin. I wonder it thats not the same for Willburrr
and our "new member" family personality? Maybe Willburr is just
calling out to us. Wanting to be a nice mom with cookies baking in the
disel fired stove.

Bob

"SchoonerBoudicca" wrote in message
oups.com...
I just joined the group and thought I'd say hi. My name's Regina. I'm
a stay-at-home mom of two girls, (6 and 8). My family and I live
aboard our 66' Bruce Roberts HM 56 full time.

We bought he boat on ebay as a liveaboard project boat. We're going to
put a schooner rig on her and re-do the interior of the boat along
with the systems. As we're planning to make all the systems simple, it
won't cost as much.

Our goal with Boudicca is to live on and circumnavigate in a large
boat on a small budget.

I started a blog to follow our progress, (http://
schoonerboudicca.blogspot.com), though within the next week or two,
I'll be building a whole website, including blog, at
http://www.SchoonerBoudicca.com.

I look forward to being part of the list...

Regina

Welcome... watchout for trolls... :-) Sounds like an interesting plan. I
didn't look at the site, but just wondering why you guys decided to do
this... do you have previous boating experience? What was your motivation? I
think you might be wrong about "won't cost much," because it depends on how
you define "simple."

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Sep 13, 5:33 am, SchoonerBoudicca
wrote:
I just joined the group and thought I'd say hi. My name's Regina. I'm
a stay-at-home mom of two girls, (6 and 8). My family and I live
aboard our 66' Bruce Roberts HM 56 full time.
We bought he boat on ebay as a liveaboard project boat. We're going to
put a schooner rig on her and re-do the interior of the boat along
with the systems. As we're planning to make all the systems simple, it
won't cost as much.
Our goal with Boudicca is to live on and circumnavigate in a large
boat on a small budget.
I started a blog to follow our progress, (http://
schoonerboudicca.blogspot.com), though within the next week or two,
I'll be building a whole website, including blog, athttp://www.SchoonerBoudicca.com.
I look forward to being part of the list...
Regina

Welcome. Nice to see another unschooler in the sailing with kids
universe.

Frank

She's banging three guys, has two kids, wants another one ...

Doesn't send the kids to school ... huum...

Maybe just maybe because if little XXX goes to school and tells Miss
CRabtree that mommy is doing three guys, and
they live on a big old piece of **** that barely floats ..

The department of social services might come a calling.

This woman sounds like a nutcase.

I feel bad for the kids.

==================
"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
wrote

Her blog is pretty eccentric, to put it mildly.

Oh yes. It says that she is "polyamorous", i.e., she and her husband are
in a committed relationship with two other men.

(Down, boys, down!)

That's going to be one busy schooner.

--
Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote in news:46e95bc4$0$26348
:

Thanks for the plug Larry.

BTW, it was the History Channel.

--
Roger Long

oops....sorry.

Larry
--
Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium"
The ultimate dirty bomb......

On 2007-09-13 11:58:49 -0400, terry said:

Thought it might be a misspelling and thinking back some 60+ years to
how it was spelt when a schoolboy tried
'schoonerboudicea................. ".
But that didn't work either! What gives!
This a troll???????????????????
Or as some might say 'A wind up'?

No, just a wrapped @ddress. Try:
http://schoonerboudicca.blogspot.com/
http://schoonerboudicca.com/ is just a placeholder it seems.

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's new pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI pages: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

On Sep 13, 8:22 pm, Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-09-13 11:58:49 -0400, terry said:

Thought it might be a misspelling and thinking back some 60+ years to
how it was spelt when a schoolboy tried
'schoonerboudicea................. ".
But that didn't work either! What gives!
This a troll???????????????????
Or as some might say 'A wind up'?

No, just a wrapped @ddress. Try:
http://schoonerboudicca.blogspot.com/http://schoonerboudicca.com/is just a placeholder it seems.

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's new pages:http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI pages:http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

I'd dump the move to Key West Idea (KW is too expensive). Try other
areas of FL.

On Sep 13, 5:33 am, SchoonerBoudicca
wrote:

I just joined the group and thought I'd say hi. My name's Regina. I'm
a stay-at-home mom of two girls I look forward to being part of the list...

Regina

Since you want to be a member of this place, Okay, I'll give you a
typical hello you can expect to get he

Went to your blog and read a bit. I just about puked.
WTF do you think ur doing UNSCHOOLING your children?
By your own words they "...learn... by asking questions." And doing
things???!
When I taught second grade I had a couple of those poor kids. They
couldnt write, couldnt read, and had now idea how to solve math
problems. You are doing your children a GRAVE injustice which I would
call abuse or neglect at the least. How do you expect them to be
successful. You have just condemned them to a life of academic failure
and most likely personal/social failure too. Oh, I guess they can do
what mom is doing.......... Live by doin a bunch of guys. What is that old
saying, your just one man away from welfare.

Give them a break and PUT THEM IN SCHOOL.............. ANY SCHOOL!

Besides that will give you more time to shove tofu up your self
indulgent, egocentric (careless of the feelings of others) ass and
play groovy chick with your poly boyfriends.

Parent of a very happy and successful 20 yo daughter, Bob

On Sep 13, 7:33 am, SchoonerBoudicca
wrote:
I just joined the group and thought I'd say hi. My name's Regina. I'm
a stay-at-home mom of two girls, (6 and 8). My family and I live
aboard our 66' Bruce Roberts HM 56 full time.

We bought he boat on ebay as a liveaboard project boat. We're going to
put a schooner rig on her and re-do the interior of the boat along
with the systems. As we're planning to make all the systems simple, it
won't cost as much.

Our goal with Boudicca is to live on and circumnavigate in a large
boat on a small budget.

I started a blog to follow our progress, (http://
schoonerboudicca.blogspot.com), though within the next week or two,
I'll be building a whole website, including blog, athttp://www.SchoonerBoudicca.com.

I look forward to being part of the list...

Regina

Greetings Regina;

Nice looking boat, except the ports in the hull, weld them over then
you will have a proper world crusier. Do you have the rigging?

I have a steel hull too, have been on steel boats most my life so if
you need any tips just ask. Also have lived aboard 20+ yrs.

You can get better info on alt.sailing.asa then you can here.

Good luck on your planned voyage. What a keen education your kids
could get sailing around the globe, what better school house than the
real world eh?

Joe
RedCloud
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/124...63212926VskyTX

"Bob" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 13, 5:33 am, SchoonerBoudicca
wrote:

I just joined the group and thought I'd say hi. My name's Regina. I'm
a stay-at-home mom of two girls I look forward to being part of the
list...

Regina

Since you want to be a member of this place, Okay, I'll give you a
typical hello you can expect to get he

Went to your blog and read a bit. I just about puked.
WTF do you think ur doing UNSCHOOLING your children?
By your own words they "...learn... by asking questions." And doing
things???!
When I taught second grade I had a couple of those poor kids. They
couldnt write, couldnt read, and had now idea how to solve math
problems. You are doing your children a GRAVE injustice which I would
call abuse or neglect at the least. How do you expect them to be
successful. You have just condemned them to a life of academic failure
and most likely personal/social failure too. Oh, I guess they can do
what mom is doing.......... Live by doin a bunch of guys. What is that
old
saying, your just one man away from welfare.

Give them a break and PUT THEM IN SCHOOL.............. ANY SCHOOL!

Besides that will give you more time to shove tofu up your self
indulgent, egocentric (careless of the feelings of others) ass and
play groovy chick with your poly boyfriends.

Parent of a very happy and successful 20 yo daughter, Bob

Spoken like the typical, "it takes a village," liberal loser. . .

Wilbur Hubbard

On Sep 14, 11:09 am, Joe wrote:

Greetings Regina;

Nice looking boat, except the ports in the hull, weld them over then
you will have a proper world crusier.

You can get better info on alt.sailing.asa then you can here.

Joe

Dear Ragina:

Joe has some very good advice. I belive the alt.sailing.asa group has
many more serious sailors willing to help and give supportive
suggestions than you'lll find here.

Also, one person who is consistantly posting helpful advise to woman
sailors goes by the name Wilbur............... Another good source is
also the first books I bought my partner. It is titled , "Changing
Courses: A Womans Guide To Chooseing The Cruising LIfe" by Debra Ann
Cantrell. Well written book for crusing women by a crusiing woman.
Although its also an excellent book for men who need a little
"development and enlightening" to women's special needs.

Bob

On Sep 14, 11:39 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Parent of a very happy and successful 20 yo daughter, Bob

Spoken like the typical, "it takes a village," liberal loser. . .

Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text -

Ya ur right Willlburr. Let the little ****s get boinked by her poly
boyfriends. Grow up knocked up and ignerunt. I just dont want to have
to pay for their welfar. BEst we get them out on the ocean crusing so
they can take advantage of all that socialized medical out there and
not suck our taxs dollars. Gotta agree........ better some other
country than us. Once again you re right.
Bob

On Sep 14, 1:45 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
Just an innocent question from a boat designer's point of view:

Why are heavily framed thick glass ports in the hull side, which can be
fitted with deadlight covers, bad while those gigantic superstructure
windows are OK?

--
Roger Long

They did not line them up on the hull and it looks crappy for one
thing. Also they will be submerged if it ever sails creating drag,
leaks, rust. If the frames are cheap plastic then they will be torn
off docking, or fall apart due to UV breakdown.

She looks to have a high freeboard and the above "gigantic " windows
will not be submerged often, and they may have back bracing and you
can make storm shields easy enough that can be easily applied.

IMO it's one of the nicer looking Bruce Roberts hull with a faired
rolled hull, it's a shame someone botched her up.

Joe

On Sep 14, 1:55 pm, Bob wrote:
On Sep 14, 11:39 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Parent of a very happy and successful 20 yo daughter, Bob

Spoken like the typical, "it takes a village," liberal loser. . .

Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text -

Ya ur right Willlburr. Let the little ****s get boinked by her poly
boyfriends. Grow up knocked up and ignerunt. I just dont want to have
to pay for their welfar. BEst we get them out on the ocean crusing so
they can take advantage of all that socialized medical out there and
not suck our taxs dollars. Gotta agree........ better some other
country than us. Once again you re right.
Bob

What's a poly ?

BTW I agree Bob, they need an education. Not much use navigating if
they can not read a chart and do a bit of math.. Then again, we need
someone to run the needle guns and flip burgers.

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
ps.com...

BTW I agree Bob, they need an education. Not much use navigating if
they can not read a chart and do a bit of math.. Then again, we need
someone to run the needle guns and flip burgers.

Have you turned into a moron lately, Joe? You say they need an
"education" as if an education was something you could actually receive
in public schools. Stop for a moment and think how public schools have
very little to do with education nowadays. They're all about a
bureaucracy whereby incompetent teachers and administrators make large
salaries and do no educating. Rather, their jobs have become
indoctrinating young minds into the socialist agenda.

Any children on a cruising yacht, with whom their parents spend two
hours a day teaching them the three R's, will be more highly educated
than the mind-numbed retards the public school system produces. And
combine that real education with the interaction they have with
different cultures and they will be far better human beings. The only
problem I foresee is if the woman does all the teaching. The man should
do the lion's share of it.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:45:56 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote:

Just an innocent question from a boat designer's point of view:

Why are heavily framed thick glass ports in the hull side, which can be
fitted with deadlight covers, bad while those gigantic superstructure
windows are OK?

They maybe ain't OK. Just how far into a wave are those big windows
likely to end up?

Casady

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:45:56 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote:

Just an innocent question from a boat designer's point of view:

Why are heavily framed thick glass ports in the hull side, which can
be
fitted with deadlight covers, bad while those gigantic superstructure
windows are OK?

They maybe ain't OK. Just how far into a wave are those big windows
likely to end up?

Casady

Pilot houses with large expanses of glass are a DANGEROUS compromise on
cruising sailboats. Besides that, they generally are ugly as all get
out. . . Nothing ruins the lines of a sailboat worse than an ugly tall
pilothouse. It's tantamount to putting a penthouse on a ranch-style
house.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Larry" wrote in message
...

Ain't it grand.

On Sep 14, 5:09 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

ps.com...

BTW I agree Bob, they need an education. Not much use navigating if
they can not read a chart and do a bit of math.. Then again, we need
someone to run the needle guns and flip burgers.

Have you turned into a moron lately, Joe? You say they need an
"education" as if an education was something you could actually receive
in public schools.

Woooooowww now. Any parent IMO can provide a better education, and
aboard a boat traveling the world will be the best. But the parents
have to as you state teach the the three R's, or better yet home
school teaching all the required courses that they can get a diploma
and move on to higher education if they so desire.

Stop for a moment and think how public schools have
very little to do with education nowadays. They're all about a
bureaucracy whereby incompetent teachers and administrators make large
salaries and do no educating. Rather, their jobs have become
indoctrinating young minds into the socialist agenda.

You failed to mention public shhools have become favorite shooting
grounds for the brain dead wackos.

Any children on a cruising yacht, with whom their parents spend two
hours a day teaching them the three R's, will be more highly educated
than the mind-numbed retards the public school system produces.

I agree 100% and hope the parents take the time and effort required.

And
combine that real education with the interaction they have with
different cultures and they will be far better human beings.

Indeed, the best education on earth, but in most cases not good
enough to land many rewarding careers. And unless the kids are super
smart and able to forge thier own path to success, not having a degree
will stymie them.

The only
problem I foresee is if the woman does all the teaching. The man should
do the lion's share of it.

I think both could add value.

Joe

Wilbur Hubbard

"Roger Long" wrote in
:

Those ports didn't leak or seem to cause any other problems aside from
a bit of condensation

OBVIOUSLY, they didn't come from Waste Marine, whos ports leak onto the
settee in a light mist at the marina dock...(c;

Larry
--
Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium"
The ultimate dirty bomb......

On Sep 14, 3:15 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
Good answer.

My experience with ports in the hull is lying in my bunk on large steel sail
training vessels looking first up at the water surface from below and then
at the moon and sea surface. Beautiful.

I hear you, I love a nice view. My only experience with porthole's in
the hull are also way..way above the water line and dock side.

Those ports didn't leak or seem to cause any other problems aside from a bit
of condensation and the dogs digging you in the back if you weren't careful.
I suppose it would be a lot to expect though for a low budget operation like
this to have proper port frames and deadlights. You probably would be
looking at a grand each or more for the kind of units that made them
workable on the ships I'm used to.

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/218...63212926oKkIeY

Close, I just did a bunch of replacing europe style windows with
portholes.

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/284...63212926JCMatQ

Drag wouldn't be a significant issue.

Yeah not much drag, but sailing around the world might add a mo. or
more... and a log could take out multiple ports if plastic as it
skirted the hull.

Joe

--
Roger Long

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 14, 5:09 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

ps.com...

BTW I agree Bob, they need an education. Not much use navigating if
they can not read a chart and do a bit of math.. Then again, we
need
someone to run the needle guns and flip burgers.

Have you turned into a moron lately, Joe? You say they need an
"education" as if an education was something you could actually
receive
in public schools.

Woooooowww now. Any parent IMO can provide a better education, and
aboard a boat traveling the world will be the best. But the parents
have to as you state teach the the three R's, or better yet home
school teaching all the required courses that they can get a diploma
and move on to higher education if they so desire.

Stop for a moment and think how public schools have
very little to do with education nowadays. They're all about a
bureaucracy whereby incompetent teachers and administrators make
large
salaries and do no educating. Rather, their jobs have become
indoctrinating young minds into the socialist agenda.

You failed to mention public shhools have become favorite shooting
grounds for the brain dead wackos.

Any children on a cruising yacht, with whom their parents spend two
hours a day teaching them the three R's, will be more highly educated
than the mind-numbed retards the public school system produces.

I agree 100% and hope the parents take the time and effort required.

And
combine that real education with the interaction they have with
different cultures and they will be far better human beings.

Indeed, the best education on earth, but in most cases not good
enough to land many rewarding careers. And unless the kids are super
smart and able to forge thier own path to success, not having a degree
will stymie them.

The only
problem I foresee is if the woman does all the teaching. The man
should
do the lion's share of it.

I think both could add value.

Good reply, I guess I missed the sarcasm you intended in your other
reply.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Sep 14, 6:03 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Good reply, I guess I missed the sarcasm you intended in your other
reply.

Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text -

Dear Wilbur,

Im gonna have ta call bull**** on most ya said about public schools.
But I can only talk about Oregon public schools. But that don't seem
to stop you from yakking out ur ass.

Kids in Oregon public schools get an adequate education IF the parents
do their part. Kids gotta be ready to learn and sometime that don't
happen for all em. So who gets the blame when kid cant seem to learn?
1) the K-3 student for not knowing enough to be ready to learn.
2) the parent for not knowing 6 hours sleep for an 8 year old and
sugar for breakfast aint such a good idea.
3) The school for having 35 second grade students for one teacher
cause there's not enough money for more teachers. Oh, pay the teachers
less. That's a good idea cause they all make $100,000 per year. One-
two-three...... eyes on me Wilbur. My paychecks per month my first year
teaching 2001-02 school year take home was $1730. Why did I quit
teaching kids? Cause I never worked for so hard for so little in my
life. My family came first. So I quit.

But let me tell you. The kids in my class learned,,,,,,, or at least
the ones who were able to. Why were some not ready and able to learn.
Well 84% of the kids were so poor they qualified for free lunch.
Poverty makes for some pretty ignorant people. So yes, send the poly
hole's little ****s to public school (in Oregon) and they'll get a
damn decent education.

Or send them to a religious home schooler and when the kids want to go
to grad school they can answer all the questions on the GRE with , "It
is Gods will......"

In summary Willburr, how many hours have you actually spent in a
school classroom in the last 10 years?

Oh, I forgot you are were a teacher....or no uhhh, a Principal! Ya,
that's it a Principal. That's the ticket a Principal, yaaa .
Bob

On Sep 14, 12:45 pm, Joe wrote:

What's a poly ?

Oh, I was making a reference to the "poly amerous" quartet Ragina says
she is a member.

BTW I agree Bob, they need an education. Not much use navigating if
they can not read a chart and do a bit of math..

Then again, we need
someone to run the needle guns and flip burgers.

Roger that about the needle gun. But soon it will be only the guest
workers who know how to use one. Get this....... I was in a boat yard
a couple years back and watched an owner take a needle gun nto his
fiberglass hull. He was needle gunning blisters. Pretty noisy and left
the blisters lookning like a cubestake. Go figure.

Bob

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:20:41 -0700, Joe
wrote:

On Sep 14, 5:09 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

ps.com...

BTW I agree Bob, they need an education. Not much use navigating if
they can not read a chart and do a bit of math.. Then again, we need
someone to run the needle guns and flip burgers.

Have you turned into a moron lately, Joe? You say they need an
"education" as if an education was something you could actually receive
in public schools.

Woooooowww now. Any parent IMO can provide a better education, and
aboard a boat traveling the world will be the best. But the parents
have to as you state teach the the three R's, or better yet home
school teaching all the required courses that they can get a diploma
and move on to higher education if they so desire.

Stop for a moment and think how public schools have
very little to do with education nowadays. They're all about a
bureaucracy whereby incompetent teachers and administrators make large
salaries and do no educating. Rather, their jobs have become
indoctrinating young minds into the socialist agenda.

You failed to mention public shhools have become favorite shooting
grounds for the brain dead wackos.

Any children on a cruising yacht, with whom their parents spend two
hours a day teaching them the three R's, will be more highly educated
than the mind-numbed retards the public school system produces.

I agree 100% and hope the parents take the time and effort required.

And
combine that real education with the interaction they have with
different cultures and they will be far better human beings.

Indeed, the best education on earth, but in most cases not good
enough to land many rewarding careers. And unless the kids are super
smart and able to forge thier own path to success, not having a degree
will stymie them.

The only
problem I foresee is if the woman does all the teaching. The man should
do the lion's share of it.

I think both could add value.

Joe

Wilbur Hubbard

Based on the forty years, or so, I have lived outside the U.S. I'd say
that any interaction between American kids and local kids is minimal,
nearly nonexistent in fact. True, I know of one or two cases where
the families lived in a remote areas of town where there were no other
foreigners and the 5 year old played with the local kids and picked up
Japanese in a few months, but that was extremely rare.

Most foreign families outside the US live in foreign enclaves,
associate only with other foreigners, shop only in stores selling
foreign goods and the local culture has little or no effect on them.

I have also seen innumerable "home schooled" kids on yachts and I'd
guess that as far as the three R's go they are equal to kids educated
in America however few of them get much of any grounding in the
sciences or higher math.

I think if I had children young enough to go to school I'd be happy to
see them home schooled until about the age of 10-12 when I'd prefer to
have them in a formal school system.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

My neighbor, the fuel polisher, raised and home taught 5 kids on a
39' custom sailboat in Mexico. They moved ashore when the kids were high
school age. The last one entered college this year with $19,000 in
scholarships. The others are in or graduated from college.

BTW, the fuel polisher also does deliveries and is delivering a new
112' Westport yacht to San Diego! What a boat! No shoes allowed on
board! Completely computerized. Cruises between 18 and 22 with a top of
almost 30. $9 million and you to can have one.
Gordon

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:19:51 +0000, in message

Larry wrote:

Long ago, I wrote a little "Liveaboard Simulator" for people thinking
about living aboard to try out before they buy the $100,000 mistake. I
haven't posted it in a while, so I'll donate it to you.

I've read it many times over the years, and to me it still sounds like
a little love song to how great it is to be on a sailboat. These are
the things we will just laugh off in order to be on the boat. They're
also the things that make others think we're crazy.

Ryk, just wishing he was cold, wet and sleep deprived

"Ryk" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:19:51 +0000, in message

Larry wrote:

Long ago, I wrote a little "Liveaboard Simulator" for people thinking
about living aboard to try out before they buy the $100,000 mistake. I
haven't posted it in a while, so I'll donate it to you.

I've read it many times over the years, and to me it still sounds like
a little love song to how great it is to be on a sailboat. These are
the things we will just laugh off in order to be on the boat. They're
also the things that make others think we're crazy.

Ryk, just wishing he was cold, wet and sleep deprived

Ya, but the thing is that the "liveaboard simulator" has all of the
drawbacks with none of the benefits.

On Sep 13, 9:13 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
Welcome. "New Member" isn't quite the concept though. Think of this place
as like a waterfront bar. Anyone can walk in and, sometimes, we wish they
couldn't. Unlike a bar, unfortunately, there is no one to throw the wacko's
and drunks out. That's what your killfile is for.

BTW the link to your web site doesn't go anywhere.

--
Roger Long

I checked the link and it works now...
I miss my old waterfront bar, so maybe I can hang here for a while
till I get to go again!

On Sep 13, 11:48 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
Thanks for the plug Larry.

BTW, it was the History Channel.

--
Roger Long

Very Cool!! My family and I watched that!! Nice to meet you!!

On Sep 13, 12:52 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"SchoonerBoudicca" wrote in message

oups.com...

I just joined the group and thought I'd say hi. My name's Regina. I'm
a stay-at-home mom of two girls, (6 and 8). My family and I live
aboard our 66' Bruce Roberts HM 56 full time.

We bought he boat on ebay as a liveaboard project boat. We're going to
put a schooner rig on her and re-do the interior of the boat along
with the systems. As we're planning to make all the systems simple, it
won't cost as much.

Our goal with Boudicca is to live on and circumnavigate in a large
boat on a small budget.

I started a blog to follow our progress, (http://
schoonerboudicca.blogspot.com), though within the next week or two,
I'll be building a whole website, including blog, at
http://www.SchoonerBoudicca.com.

I look forward to being part of the list...

Regina

Welcome... watchout for trolls... :-) Sounds like an interesting plan. I
didn't look at the site, but just wondering why you guys decided to do
this... do you have previous boating experience? What was your motivation? I
think you might be wrong about "won't cost much," because it depends on how
you define "simple."

--
"j" ganz

We do have previous experience. We have lived aboard for over 5 years
and my husband is a professional sailor. Our children have been raised
aboard as well.

Our motivation? To see the world, to explore, to experience what is
"out there".
And "won't cost much" is subjective. But we will have a very basic
electrical system, gravity fed and foot pumped water, we will make our
own sails, do our own repairs. No refrigeration, no air conditioning,
a heating stove for warmth, we will rarely use our engines and move by
sail except in necessary harbors and to maintain it.

It will be much more "rustic" then most people are used to or
comfortable with... but it's the way we like it.

On Sep 13, 1:12 pm, Frank wrote:
On Sep 13, 5:33 am, SchoonerBoudicca
wrote:

I just joined the group and thought I'd say hi. My name's Regina. I'm
a stay-at-home mom of two girls, (6 and 8). My family and I live
aboard our 66' Bruce Roberts HM 56 full time.
We bought he boat on ebay as a liveaboard project boat. We're going to
put a schooner rig on her and re-do the interior of the boat along
with the systems. As we're planning to make all the systems simple, it
won't cost as much.
Our goal with Boudicca is to live on and circumnavigate in a large
boat on a small budget.
I started a blog to follow our progress, (http://
schoonerboudicca.blogspot.com), though within the next week or two,
I'll be building a whole website, including blog, athttp://www.SchoonerBoudicca.com.
I look forward to being part of the list...
Regina

Welcome. Nice to see another unschooler in the sailing with kids
universe.

Frank

Hurrah!! You unschool too!! I seem to find so few unschoolers! Write
me!

On Sep 13, 6:57 pm, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
wrote:
She's banging three guys, has two kids, wants another one ...

Doesn't send the kids to school ... huum...

Maybe just maybe because if little XXX goes to school and tells Miss
CRabtree that mommy is doing three guys, and
they live on a big old piece of **** that barely floats ..

The department of social services might come a calling.

This woman sounds like a nutcase.

I feel bad for the kids.

=================="Roger Long" wrote in message

...

wrote

Her blog is pretty eccentric, to put it mildly.

Oh yes. It says that she is "polyamorous", i.e., she and her husband are
in a committed relationship with two other men.

(Down, boys, down!)

That's going to be one busy schooner.

--
Roger Long

No, I'm in committed relationships with more then one, (only two now).
And I chose to school my children at home. The are free to tell anyone
they like about our lifestyle and do. They know it is not the "normal"
way of living. I don't lie to my children, family or friends. I am
honest about who I am and the choices I make in my life.

Thank you for your opinion, even if it is about a person you don't
know.

On Sep 14, 2:09 pm, Joe wrote:
On Sep 13, 7:33 am, SchoonerBoudicca
wrote:

I just joined the group and thought I'd say hi. My name's Regina. I'm
a stay-at-home mom of two girls, (6 and 8). My family and I live
aboard our 66' Bruce Roberts HM 56 full time.

We bought he boat on ebay as a liveaboard project boat. We're going to
put a schooner rig on her and re-do the interior of the boat along
with the systems. As we're planning to make all the systems simple, it
won't cost as much.

Our goal with Boudicca is to live on and circumnavigate in a large
boat on a small budget.

I started a blog to follow our progress, (http://
schoonerboudicca.blogspot.com), though within the next week or two,
I'll be building a whole website, including blog, athttp://www.SchoonerBoudicca.com.

I look forward to being part of the list...

Regina

Greetings Regina;

Nice looking boat, except the ports in the hull, weld them over then
you will have a proper world crusier. Do you have the rigging?

I have a steel hull too, have been on steel boats most my life so if
you need any tips just ask. Also have lived aboard 20+ yrs.

You can get better info on alt.sailing.asa then you can here.

Good luck on your planned voyage. What a keen education your kids
could get sailing around the globe, what better school house than the
real world eh?

Joe
RedCloudhttp://sports.webshots.com/photo/1242722704063212926VskyTX

Thank you. She's a fiberglass boat. We have to fix the windows in the
hull as well as several other things. Her rig is long since gone and
we'll be re-rigging her. I will check out alt.sailing.asa as well...
Thanks again!