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Where is Skip and the Flying Pig?
On 2007-09-11 13:31:01 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said: What a hoot! A writer who can't type? Now, that's so dumb it's beyond human ken. That's what editors are for. Writers are often "idea people" and sometimes (often?) miss the small, detail-oriented stuff. Some of the best thinkers are, believe it or not, dyslexic as well. Comes with the territory. They've *mostly* overcome the handicap, but.... I been both. Almost every issue I (or my editor) would say "Did you really mean to say *that*?!" -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's new pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI pages: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Where is Skip and the Flying Pig?
On 2007-09-11 20:16:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said: It appalls me that any so-called writer would admit he can't type. This is beyond pathetic. (answered a few seconds ago) I, Wilbur Hubbard, can type 150 wpm. I can transcribe faster than you can dictate. Nice mechanical skill, but who has paid you for your output? I can type as fast as I can think. You only think that fast? [Sorry, couldn't resist so easy a shot] The problem with transcribing is you don't write well when you simply transcribe your talk. Writing is not talking. Writing is a different type of an art form. When I read somebody's writing I certainly don't want to read his blabbermouthing. And, believe me, I can tell the difference. Writing and word processing always ends up telling a better tale than a simple-minded narration. I can "hear" a good writer as I read. In fact, when I read a writer I know and *don't* hear his voice, I know the editor is ham-handed and should be replaced. A writer is using the printed page to tell a story, whether it be a good yarn or an instruction manual. A common writing technique is to read what you wrote aloud. If it sounds awkward or doesn't paint the picture you wanted to transmit, it's time to revise. Even you have a voice that I hear. I don't know it's pitch or speed, but I hear it clearly. Oh, on a different subject: your "@ddress". Most people would spell it "invalid", not "invallid". ;-) -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's new pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI pages: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Where is Skip and the Flying Pig?
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... snip... .. I, Wilbur Hubbard, can type 150 wpm. I can transcribe faster than you can dictate. I can type as fast as I can think. The problem with transcribing is you don't write well when you simply transcribe your talk. Writing is not talking. Writing is a different type of an art form. When I read somebody's writing I certainly don't want to read his blabbermouthing. And, believe me, I can tell the difference. Writing and word processing always ends up telling a better tale than a simple-minded narration. Wilbur Hubbard You must have been a good secretary to someone in the post office. |
Where is Skip and the Flying Pig?
On Sep 11, 6:43 pm, Dave wrote:
More utter nonsense. Only a fool would let work product that had been typed at the rate of 80-100 words per minute go out without proofreading. even if he were as skilled as the best of those whose full-time job is transcription. My mom died last last year at this time. After building Liberty ships i WW2 and Korea she became a typest. When she retired she was able to do 120 error free. But then again she also new shorthand. SHe really liked the computers. It was more difficult to jam em. She routeenly out typed the IBM Selectricts. She was just too fast for thoes IBM balls. She said when she was working in the federal building steno pool there were others who were a lot faster ! Gone with the buggie whips Bob |
Where is Skip and the Flying Pig?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:16:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Gogarty" wrote in message . .. In article s.com, llid says... "Gogarty" wrote in message ... Well, Wilbur, I made a substantial living as a writer over many years. Still manage to rake in a dime or two now and then. But typing is not now, never will be and never was one of my skills. What a hoot! A writer who can't type? Now, that's so dumb it's beyond human ken. How many truck drivers can't steer? How many cowboys can't lasso? How many wet nurses can't lactate? How many bartenders can't mix drinks? How many airplane pilots can't land? How many talk radio hosts are deaf mutes? Get the point? Any writer worthy of the name learns to type. Wilbur Hubbard How dreadfully ignorant you are. (Typed with two fingers.) I don't imagine Shakespeare knew how to type. Voice recognition software is still not up to par. A good touch typist can type 80-100 wpm without a single mistake that has to be corrected later. One spends more time looking for and correcting voice recognition software mistakes and omissions than if one simply learned to type and removed the middle man so to speak. Anybody typing with two fingers is lazy, stupid or both (unless, of course, they only have two fingers). Learning to type is a simple thing. Anybody can accomplish the task in about a week or two. Anybody who needs to type (as in a writer) should have enough pride in his work that he learns to type and at an advanced rate like 80-100 wpm. It appalls me that any so-called writer would admit he can't type. This is beyond pathetic. I, Wilbur Hubbard, can type 150 wpm. I can transcribe faster than you can dictate. I can type as fast as I can think. The problem with transcribing is you don't write well when you simply transcribe your talk. Writing is not talking. Writing is a different type of an art form. When I read somebody's writing I certainly don't want to read his blabbermouthing. And, believe me, I can tell the difference. Writing and word processing always ends up telling a better tale than a simple-minded narration. Wilbur Hubbard Willie boy, you are positively amazing. You can type 150 words per minute ... I can type as fast as I can think, you say. So, using your figures you can think at about 150 words per minute, or about 0.400 seconds, or 400 milliseconds, per word. As reporting in the May 25 Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences, the speed of thought is around 300 milliseconds. That's how long it took a volunteer to begin to understand a pictured object. It appears that your comprehension is 33% lower then normal. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) |
Where is Skip and the Flying Pig?
Jere Lull wrote in news:200709112054188930-
jerelull@maccom: That's To bring this kiddie war back on topic, I got one of Lydia's newsletters in my email, yesterday. They are now at the 79th Street Marina in Manhattan with Lydia's 80+ year old mother, who's getting her sea legs nicely from the sail over from LI though a little seasick and sore from the constant motion of the Pig. They are having a great time in NYC and retreat to their little mooring bouy island for R&R from the bustling city they can watch from the cockpit with amusement. I suppose she's got Skip hopping around, too busy to post...(c; Larry -- Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium" The ultimate dirty bomb...... |
Where is Skip and the Flying Pig?
"Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2007091121070211272-jerelull@maccom... On 2007-09-11 20:16:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" said: It appalls me that any so-called writer would admit he can't type. This is beyond pathetic. (answered a few seconds ago) I, Wilbur Hubbard, can type 150 wpm. I can transcribe faster than you can dictate. Nice mechanical skill, but who has paid you for your output? I can type as fast as I can think. You only think that fast? The point is when a person talks his speech lags behind his thought process. This makes for inefficient speech which when transcribed makes for inefficient writing. Look at it this way. If you mouth the words that you read it slows down your reading. This is fact and cannot be argued with. You are engaging in an extra process and that's inneficient. Same thing goes with writing. It's more efficient to have the thought delivered through the fingertips than throught the mouth. Advanced writers have been taught these facts. That's why Gogarty is an unsuccessful writer for the most part. He has limited his potential. He has crippled himself. He's like a 400 pound ballerina. [Sorry, couldn't resist so easy a shot] Make it funnier next time . . . The problem with transcribing is you don't write well when you simply transcribe your talk. Writing is not talking. Writing is a different type of an art form. When I read somebody's writing I certainly don't want to read his blabbermouthing. And, believe me, I can tell the difference. Writing and word processing always ends up telling a better tale than a simple-minded narration. I can "hear" a good writer as I read. In fact, when I read a writer I know and *don't* hear his voice, I know the editor is ham-handed and should be replaced. Then you are mentally and probably physically mouthing the words. Printed words have no sound and should have no sound. They should only bring forth a mental process. The whole idea of verbal speech in anathema to written speech. Humans have progressed as far as they have primaryily due to the written word because it is so much more efficient and accurate. Writers should realize that fact and use the art of writing to go where speech cannot go. A writer is using the printed page to tell a story, whether it be a good yarn or an instruction manual. Only if his intent is to do so. As a writer, I would rather leave good yarn-spinning to my voice where it belongs. I use writing to stimulate thought - not paint a picture. A canvas and paint brush paints a better picture that somebody talking about a painting. A good writer bypasses the physical senses and goes right to the source - the mind. After all, without the mind there are no physical senses. The mind is the wellspring. Any writer who doesn't know this fact is no writer - just a hack. Why do you think I'm such a successful troll. It's not because I put my verbal blatherings on the screen. It's because I push mind buttons that writing can push while transcribed verbal gushings cannot. A common writing technique is to read what you wrote aloud. If it sounds awkward or doesn't paint the picture you wanted to transmit, it's time to revise. Even you have a voice that I hear. I don't know it's pitch or speed, but I hear it clearly. Oh, on a different subject: your "@ddress". Most people would spell it "invalid", not "invallid". Makes it all the more invalid. . . But, isn't it amazing how there is no such word and, as such, it is never spoken yet your mind can deal with it and look at the thoughts it produced without ever having been mouthed. Look what has happened "behind the scenes." Sort of makes my point, doesn't it? Wilbur Hubbard |
Where is Skip and the Flying Pig?
wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:16:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Gogarty" wrote in message .. . In article s.com, llid says... "Gogarty" wrote in message ... Well, Wilbur, I made a substantial living as a writer over many years. Still manage to rake in a dime or two now and then. But typing is not now, never will be and never was one of my skills. What a hoot! A writer who can't type? Now, that's so dumb it's beyond human ken. How many truck drivers can't steer? How many cowboys can't lasso? How many wet nurses can't lactate? How many bartenders can't mix drinks? How many airplane pilots can't land? How many talk radio hosts are deaf mutes? Get the point? Any writer worthy of the name learns to type. Wilbur Hubbard How dreadfully ignorant you are. (Typed with two fingers.) I don't imagine Shakespeare knew how to type. Voice recognition software is still not up to par. A good touch typist can type 80-100 wpm without a single mistake that has to be corrected later. One spends more time looking for and correcting voice recognition software mistakes and omissions than if one simply learned to type and removed the middle man so to speak. Anybody typing with two fingers is lazy, stupid or both (unless, of course, they only have two fingers). Learning to type is a simple thing. Anybody can accomplish the task in about a week or two. Anybody who needs to type (as in a writer) should have enough pride in his work that he learns to type and at an advanced rate like 80-100 wpm. It appalls me that any so-called writer would admit he can't type. This is beyond pathetic. I, Wilbur Hubbard, can type 150 wpm. I can transcribe faster than you can dictate. I can type as fast as I can think. The problem with transcribing is you don't write well when you simply transcribe your talk. Writing is not talking. Writing is a different type of an art form. When I read somebody's writing I certainly don't want to read his blabbermouthing. And, believe me, I can tell the difference. Writing and word processing always ends up telling a better tale than a simple-minded narration. Wilbur Hubbard Willie boy, you are positively amazing. You can type 150 words per minute ... I can type as fast as I can think, you say. So, using your figures you can think at about 150 words per minute, or about 0.400 seconds, or 400 milliseconds, per word. As reporting in the May 25 Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences, the speed of thought is around 300 milliseconds. That's how long it took a volunteer to begin to understand a pictured object. The speed of thought is not measured in words. Thought happens without words. If I stick a pin into you there are no words involved with your realization of pain. You don't have to think "ouch" in order to feel the pain. So there goes your somewhat convoluted argument. It appears that your comprehension is 33% lower then normal. Got you again! What does comprehension have to do with the speed of thought? Some idiot savant might not be able to pick his nose but he can caluclate pi to the 39th decimal place in his head. He has no comprehension at all but he can still think. Again it makes my point that thinking does not rely on words. Words are just a by-product of thinking and a clumsy one at that. Add to that clumsiness verbalizing these words prior to putting them onto paper or the screen and you've become so inefficient that it's laughable thinking of a somebody like Gogarthy going through the motions. A 400lb ballerina. Wilbur Hubbardd |
Where is Skip and the Flying Pig?
Wilbur,, love you man but::::
Some writers find that long hand is more creative. I suspect it is just a comfort thing. Truman Capote wrote with pen on paper, for example. Later, the script is transfered to type paper, and edited. === Keep being nasty. We need more mean spirited people here. This nice stuff is boring. Look at me, I am everyone's whipping boy. Roger absolutely hates me. This does not bother me in the least. I revel in discomfort. == I am confused about the Flying Pig Stick though. Shouldn't they be heading toward the Caribbean by now. GEt south for the good anchorages. ======== "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "Gogarty" wrote in message ... In article s.com, llid says... "Gogarty" wrote in message ... Well, Wilbur, I made a substantial living as a writer over many years. Still manage to rake in a dime or two now and then. But typing is not now, never will be and never was one of my skills. What a hoot! A writer who can't type? Now, that's so dumb it's beyond human ken. How many truck drivers can't steer? How many cowboys can't lasso? How many wet nurses can't lactate? How many bartenders can't mix drinks? How many airplane pilots can't land? How many talk radio hosts are deaf mutes? Get the point? Any writer worthy of the name learns to type. Wilbur Hubbard How dreadfully ignorant you are. (Typed with two fingers.) I don't imagine Shakespeare knew how to type. Voice recognition software is still not up to par. A good touch typist can type 80-100 wpm without a single mistake that has to be corrected later. One spends more time looking for and correcting voice recognition software mistakes and omissions than if one simply learned to type and removed the middle man so to speak. Anybody typing with two fingers is lazy, stupid or both (unless, of course, they only have two fingers). Learning to type is a simple thing. Anybody can accomplish the task in about a week or two. Anybody who needs to type (as in a writer) should have enough pride in his work that he learns to type and at an advanced rate like 80-100 wpm. It appalls me that any so-called writer would admit he can't type. This is beyond pathetic. I, Wilbur Hubbard, can type 150 wpm. I can transcribe faster than you can dictate. I can type as fast as I can think. The problem with transcribing is you don't write well when you simply transcribe your talk. Writing is not talking. Writing is a different type of an art form. When I read somebody's writing I certainly don't want to read his blabbermouthing. And, believe me, I can tell the difference. Writing and word processing always ends up telling a better tale than a simple-minded narration. Wilbur Hubbard |
Where is Skip and the Flying Pig?
"Bob" wrote in message ps.com... On Sep 11, 6:43 pm, Dave wrote: More utter nonsense. Only a fool would let work product that had been typed at the rate of 80-100 words per minute go out without proofreading. even if he were as skilled as the best of those whose full-time job is transcription. My mom died last last year at this time. After building Liberty ships i WW2 and Korea she became a typest. When she retired she was able to do 120 error free. But then again she also new shorthand. SHe really liked the computers. It was more difficult to jam em. She routeenly out typed the IBM Selectricts. She was just too fast for thoes IBM balls. Sorry, but that's either a lie or an old wife's tale. IBM Selectrics had a memory chip. You could not lose keystrokes because you eventuated them faster than the mechanism could put them on paper. If you typed faster than the ball could move, the ball would just continue to move after you had stopped typing until it caught up. I hope this helps. Wilbur Hubbard She said when she was working in the federal building steno pool there were others who were a lot faster ! Gone with the buggie whips Bob |
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