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Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
I enjoyed the movie - it's my favorite ride a Disneyland... but I was
looking for up-to-date opinions on the threat of piracy in the Caribbean. If you go to Google and search of information, all you get is the movie stuff etc. Try changing the word to "Piracy" with Caribean and you get hits related to offshore software theft.... I have no experience with small boat cruising in the Caribbean. An aquantance of mine is looking into a bareboat charter in the area. She was online discussing it with someone that started filling her head with concerns about pirates. Sounded like she was really freaked by the thought of their boat being boarded by thugs and her and her friends being beaten, robbed, raped.... or worse. She lives in Piedmont - a part of Oakland, CA. I told her she was probably more likely to get carjacked in her own neighborhood, than hijacked on a boat south of Florida. But I also told her I told her I would ask about it. So what parts of the Caribbean would be considered "high risk" for a small group of young adults on a 50-something foot sailboat? I don't imagine that the demographic make up of the group or the size of the boats makes a difference - but if it does... While I myself might be prepared to go such a cruise armed in some way, I am hesitant, for a couple of reasons, to to suggest to her that someone on the trip should have a gun. Primarily, I am concerned that saying something like, "maybe you should have a gun on board," would make it sound like she should be worried. Secondly, I don't know if she or any of her companions know how to handle a gun in such a situation. I don't want this to be a gun issue, but I know someone is going to bring it up ... and I'll likely be sorry it was me. Let me "bottom line" with a general question. What personal security risks should be considered for someone considering a bareboat charter in the Caribbean? Thanks in advance. |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
Most places guns are more hassle than they are worth and without proper
training on how to use them defensively can be down right dangerous. Most places you must surrender them on entry and return to the same port of entry to reclaim them on departure. Besides, with the exception of some spots along the Venezuelan and Colombian coasts most of the pirates in the Windwards and Leewards run souvenir shops ashore. It is wise to take normal precautions like locking up your dinghy in some spots and staying in contact with one of the HAM or SSB nets that work the area. Curtis CCR wrote: I enjoyed the movie - it's my favorite ride a Disneyland... but I was looking for up-to-date opinions on the threat of piracy in the Caribbean. If you go to Google and search of information, all you get is the movie stuff etc. Try changing the word to "Piracy" with Caribean and you get hits related to offshore software theft.... I have no experience with small boat cruising in the Caribbean. An aquantance of mine is looking into a bareboat charter in the area. She was online discussing it with someone that started filling her head with concerns about pirates. Sounded like she was really freaked by the thought of their boat being boarded by thugs and her and her friends being beaten, robbed, raped.... or worse. She lives in Piedmont - a part of Oakland, CA. I told her she was probably more likely to get carjacked in her own neighborhood, than hijacked on a boat south of Florida. But I also told her I told her I would ask about it. So what parts of the Caribbean would be considered "high risk" for a small group of young adults on a 50-something foot sailboat? I don't imagine that the demographic make up of the group or the size of the boats makes a difference - but if it does... While I myself might be prepared to go such a cruise armed in some way, I am hesitant, for a couple of reasons, to to suggest to her that someone on the trip should have a gun. Primarily, I am concerned that saying something like, "maybe you should have a gun on board," would make it sound like she should be worried. Secondly, I don't know if she or any of her companions know how to handle a gun in such a situation. I don't want this to be a gun issue, but I know someone is going to bring it up ... and I'll likely be sorry it was me. Let me "bottom line" with a general question. What personal security risks should be considered for someone considering a bareboat charter in the Caribbean? Thanks in advance. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
Most places guns are more hassle than they are worth and without proper
training on how to use them defensively can be down right dangerous. Most places you must surrender them on entry and return to the same port of entry to reclaim them on departure. Besides, with the exception of some spots along the Venezuelan and Colombian coasts most of the pirates in the Windwards and Leewards run souvenir shops ashore. It is wise to take normal precautions like locking up your dinghy in some spots and staying in contact with one of the HAM or SSB nets that work the area. Curtis CCR wrote: I enjoyed the movie - it's my favorite ride a Disneyland... but I was looking for up-to-date opinions on the threat of piracy in the Caribbean. If you go to Google and search of information, all you get is the movie stuff etc. Try changing the word to "Piracy" with Caribean and you get hits related to offshore software theft.... I have no experience with small boat cruising in the Caribbean. An aquantance of mine is looking into a bareboat charter in the area. She was online discussing it with someone that started filling her head with concerns about pirates. Sounded like she was really freaked by the thought of their boat being boarded by thugs and her and her friends being beaten, robbed, raped.... or worse. She lives in Piedmont - a part of Oakland, CA. I told her she was probably more likely to get carjacked in her own neighborhood, than hijacked on a boat south of Florida. But I also told her I told her I would ask about it. So what parts of the Caribbean would be considered "high risk" for a small group of young adults on a 50-something foot sailboat? I don't imagine that the demographic make up of the group or the size of the boats makes a difference - but if it does... While I myself might be prepared to go such a cruise armed in some way, I am hesitant, for a couple of reasons, to to suggest to her that someone on the trip should have a gun. Primarily, I am concerned that saying something like, "maybe you should have a gun on board," would make it sound like she should be worried. Secondly, I don't know if she or any of her companions know how to handle a gun in such a situation. I don't want this to be a gun issue, but I know someone is going to bring it up ... and I'll likely be sorry it was me. Let me "bottom line" with a general question. What personal security risks should be considered for someone considering a bareboat charter in the Caribbean? Thanks in advance. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
you need a gun, a shotgun, a revolver, a machine gun, a grenade launcher, a
machette, a Swiss Army knife, a Boy Scout knife, a paring knife, a box cutter, a fingernail clipper and a frickin' brain. Particularly the last for trollin a board with your b/s. now, get back in study hall. I enjoyed the movie - it's my favorite ride a Disneyland... but I was looking for up-to-date opinions on the threat of piracy in the Caribbean. If you go to Google and search of information, all you get is the movie stuff etc. Try changing the word to "Piracy" with Caribean and you get hits related to offshore software theft.... I have no experience with small boat cruising in the Caribbean. An aquantance of mine is looking into a bareboat charter in the area. She was online discussing it with someone that started filling her head with concerns about pirates. Sounded like she was really freaked by the thought of their boat being boarded by thugs and her and her friends being beaten, robbed, raped.... or worse. She lives in Piedmont - a part of Oakland, CA. I told her she was probably more likely to get carjacked in her own neighborhood, than hijacked on a boat south of Florida. But I also told her I told her I would ask about it. So what parts of the Caribbean would be considered "high risk" for a small group of young adults on a 50-something foot sailboat? I don't imagine that the demographic make up of the group or the size of the boats makes a difference - but if it does... While I myself might be prepared to go such a cruise armed in some way, I am hesitant, for a couple of reasons, to to suggest to her that someone on the trip should have a gun. Primarily, I am concerned that saying something like, "maybe you should have a gun on board," would make it sound like she should be worried. Secondly, I don't know if she or any of her companions know how to handle a gun in such a situation. I don't want this to be a gun issue, but I know someone is going to bring it up ... and I'll likely be sorry it was me. Let me "bottom line" with a general question. What personal security risks should be considered for someone considering a bareboat charter in the Caribbean? Thanks in advance. |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
you need a gun, a shotgun, a revolver, a machine gun, a grenade launcher, a
machette, a Swiss Army knife, a Boy Scout knife, a paring knife, a box cutter, a fingernail clipper and a frickin' brain. Particularly the last for trollin a board with your b/s. now, get back in study hall. I enjoyed the movie - it's my favorite ride a Disneyland... but I was looking for up-to-date opinions on the threat of piracy in the Caribbean. If you go to Google and search of information, all you get is the movie stuff etc. Try changing the word to "Piracy" with Caribean and you get hits related to offshore software theft.... I have no experience with small boat cruising in the Caribbean. An aquantance of mine is looking into a bareboat charter in the area. She was online discussing it with someone that started filling her head with concerns about pirates. Sounded like she was really freaked by the thought of their boat being boarded by thugs and her and her friends being beaten, robbed, raped.... or worse. She lives in Piedmont - a part of Oakland, CA. I told her she was probably more likely to get carjacked in her own neighborhood, than hijacked on a boat south of Florida. But I also told her I told her I would ask about it. So what parts of the Caribbean would be considered "high risk" for a small group of young adults on a 50-something foot sailboat? I don't imagine that the demographic make up of the group or the size of the boats makes a difference - but if it does... While I myself might be prepared to go such a cruise armed in some way, I am hesitant, for a couple of reasons, to to suggest to her that someone on the trip should have a gun. Primarily, I am concerned that saying something like, "maybe you should have a gun on board," would make it sound like she should be worried. Secondly, I don't know if she or any of her companions know how to handle a gun in such a situation. I don't want this to be a gun issue, but I know someone is going to bring it up ... and I'll likely be sorry it was me. Let me "bottom line" with a general question. What personal security risks should be considered for someone considering a bareboat charter in the Caribbean? Thanks in advance. |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
He is every report of problems in the Caribbean in the last several years http://www.caribcruisers.com/index.html |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
He is every report of problems in the Caribbean in the last several years http://www.caribcruisers.com/index.html |
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Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
While I am personally all for blowing pirates to their eternal reward, I
have to imagine that there might be legal repercussions to such activities. Unless, of course, you have obtained your Letter of Marque prior to going cruising. ;-) -- Karin Conover-Lewis Fair and Balanced since 1959 klc dot lewis at centurytel dot net "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... On 01 Jan 2004 06:50:42 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: you need a gun, a shotgun, a revolver, a machine gun, a grenade launcher, a machette, a Swiss Army knife, a Boy Scout knife, a paring knife, a box cutter, a fingernail clipper and a frickin' brain. Trollin' aside, I have a German friend who says you only need Russian hand grenades, easily obtained in many places according to him. Off of Thailand he was attacked single handing his boat by a high speed boat. They shot over his head but didn't shoot directly at the prize they were after, his yacht. When they came within throwing range he simply dropped one of these grenades into the boat before the boarders could reach his rail and they were so busy scrambling in the bilge for the "egg" they veered off before it exploded. The effect was devastating, a total destruction. That was the only place he's been attacked but his boat is full of the arms you make fun of. He says anyone not heavily armed cruising anywhere is totally crazy.... I can think of no easier targets than most of the yachtsmen I know.....As a group, the moneyed elite are awfully naive. As to using the radio, what's the point? Noone's going to help you except to maybe come look for your body, floating face down long after it's over. Hell, I'm amazed the local marinas aren't regularly ransacked, here. |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
While I am personally all for blowing pirates to their eternal reward, I
have to imagine that there might be legal repercussions to such activities. Unless, of course, you have obtained your Letter of Marque prior to going cruising. ;-) -- Karin Conover-Lewis Fair and Balanced since 1959 klc dot lewis at centurytel dot net "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... On 01 Jan 2004 06:50:42 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: you need a gun, a shotgun, a revolver, a machine gun, a grenade launcher, a machette, a Swiss Army knife, a Boy Scout knife, a paring knife, a box cutter, a fingernail clipper and a frickin' brain. Trollin' aside, I have a German friend who says you only need Russian hand grenades, easily obtained in many places according to him. Off of Thailand he was attacked single handing his boat by a high speed boat. They shot over his head but didn't shoot directly at the prize they were after, his yacht. When they came within throwing range he simply dropped one of these grenades into the boat before the boarders could reach his rail and they were so busy scrambling in the bilge for the "egg" they veered off before it exploded. The effect was devastating, a total destruction. That was the only place he's been attacked but his boat is full of the arms you make fun of. He says anyone not heavily armed cruising anywhere is totally crazy.... I can think of no easier targets than most of the yachtsmen I know.....As a group, the moneyed elite are awfully naive. As to using the radio, what's the point? Noone's going to help you except to maybe come look for your body, floating face down long after it's over. Hell, I'm amazed the local marinas aren't regularly ransacked, here. |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
Since they are chartering a boat, I wouldn't be too worried about
pirates at sea. Your safety ashore is much more at risk if you are in the tourist trap areas (pick pockets, etc.). Check out the Seven Seas Cruising Association for Piracy reports. Most the of the Caribbean is relatively safe with the exception of the Venezulian and Columbian coasts. If pirates do come, they are after things they can easily fence -small electronics, outboard motors, things easily carried off, and of course, cash. Precautions at night are a must. Make sure they know how to turn the deck lights on. This will scare away most intruders if they are trying to climb aboard. Also, secure the dinghy aboard if possible. I like to do this simply because storms can pop up in the middle of the night and it's just one less thing to worry about while fighting a dragging anchor. In the Bahama's a favorite trick for thieves is to strip naked, cover themselves in vasoline, and climb aboard at night when everyone is asleep or possibly ashore passed out at a tavern. Being naked and greased up makes it hard for you to grab hold of them. I've read reports about outboard motors that were locked to the transom of a dinghy being stolen with the use of a chainsaw. The thieves cut the transom off the boat and walked away with the outboard, transom in tow. As a side note, I have a number of friends that have cruised the caribbean extensively and even gone down the coast of South America all the away to the tip of Argentina. They said guns are useful. When trying to clear customs at a port, the officials will be so worried about your gun that they often overlook things like expired pet tags or other goods in the boat that have not been declared. They carried a shotgun around just as a destractor for customs. Dan Schiro M/V Sea Ranch Pensacola Sail and Power Squadron (Curtis CCR) wrote in message . com... I enjoyed the movie - it's my favorite ride a Disneyland... but I was looking for up-to-date opinions on the threat of piracy in the Caribbean. If you go to Google and search of information, all you get is the movie stuff etc. Try changing the word to "Piracy" with Caribean and you get hits related to offshore software theft.... I have no experience with small boat cruising in the Caribbean. An aquantance of mine is looking into a bareboat charter in the area. She was online discussing it with someone that started filling her head with concerns about pirates. Sounded like she was really freaked by the thought of their boat being boarded by thugs and her and her friends being beaten, robbed, raped.... or worse. She lives in Piedmont - a part of Oakland, CA. I told her she was probably more likely to get carjacked in her own neighborhood, than hijacked on a boat south of Florida. But I also told her I told her I would ask about it. So what parts of the Caribbean would be considered "high risk" for a small group of young adults on a 50-something foot sailboat? I don't imagine that the demographic make up of the group or the size of the boats makes a difference - but if it does... While I myself might be prepared to go such a cruise armed in some way, I am hesitant, for a couple of reasons, to to suggest to her that someone on the trip should have a gun. Primarily, I am concerned that saying something like, "maybe you should have a gun on board," would make it sound like she should be worried. Secondly, I don't know if she or any of her companions know how to handle a gun in such a situation. I don't want this to be a gun issue, but I know someone is going to bring it up ... and I'll likely be sorry it was me. Let me "bottom line" with a general question. What personal security risks should be considered for someone considering a bareboat charter in the Caribbean? Thanks in advance. |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
"being stolen with the use of a chainsaw. The thieves cut the
transom off the boat and walked away with the outboard, transom in tow." So why not steal the dinghy AND o/b? Also chainsaw with a "silencer"? "carried a shotgun around just as a destractor for customs." This is a good one! ROTFL -- c ya Wim www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html "Dan" wrote in message om... : Since they are chartering a boat, I wouldn't be too worried about : pirates at sea. Your safety ashore is much more at risk if you are in : the tourist trap areas (pick pockets, etc.). Check out the Seven Seas : Cruising Association for Piracy reports. Most the of the Caribbean is : relatively safe with the exception of the Venezulian and Columbian : coasts. If pirates do come, they are after things they can easily : fence -small electronics, outboard motors, things easily carried off, : and of course, cash. Precautions at night are a must. Make sure they : know how to turn the deck lights on. This will scare away most : intruders if they are trying to climb aboard. Also, secure the dinghy : aboard if possible. I like to do this simply because storms can pop : up in the middle of the night and it's just one less thing to worry : about while fighting a dragging anchor. : : In the Bahama's a favorite trick for thieves is to strip naked, cover : themselves in vasoline, and climb aboard at night when everyone is : asleep or possibly ashore passed out at a tavern. Being naked and : greased up makes it hard for you to grab hold of them. I've read : reports about outboard motors that were locked to the transom of a : dinghy being stolen with the use of a chainsaw. The thieves cut the : transom off the boat and walked away with the outboard, transom in : tow. : : As a side note, I have a number of friends that have cruised the : caribbean extensively and even gone down the coast of South America : all the away to the tip of Argentina. They said guns are useful. : When trying to clear customs at a port, the officials will be so : worried about your gun that they often overlook things like expired : pet tags or other goods in the boat that have not been declared. They : carried a shotgun around just as a destractor for customs. : : Dan Schiro : M/V Sea Ranch : Pensacola Sail and Power Squadron : : (Curtis CCR) wrote in message . com... : I enjoyed the movie - it's my favorite ride a Disneyland... but I was : looking for up-to-date opinions on the threat of piracy in the : Caribbean. If you go to Google and search of information, all you get : is the movie stuff etc. Try changing the word to "Piracy" with : Caribean and you get hits related to offshore software theft.... : : I have no experience with small boat cruising in the Caribbean. An : aquantance of mine is looking into a bareboat charter in the area. : She was online discussing it with someone that started filling her : head with concerns about pirates. Sounded like she was really freaked : by the thought of their boat being boarded by thugs and her and her : friends being beaten, robbed, raped.... or worse. : : She lives in Piedmont - a part of Oakland, CA. I told her she was : probably more likely to get carjacked in her own neighborhood, than : hijacked on a boat south of Florida. But I also told her I told her I : would ask about it. : : So what parts of the Caribbean would be considered "high risk" for a : small group of young adults on a 50-something foot sailboat? I don't : imagine that the demographic make up of the group or the size of the : boats makes a difference - but if it does... : : While I myself might be prepared to go such a cruise armed in some : way, I am hesitant, for a couple of reasons, to to suggest to her that : someone on the trip should have a gun. Primarily, I am concerned that : saying something like, "maybe you should have a gun on board," would : make it sound like she should be worried. Secondly, I don't know if : she or any of her companions know how to handle a gun in such a : situation. : : I don't want this to be a gun issue, but I know someone is going to : bring it up ... and I'll likely be sorry it was me. : : Let me "bottom line" with a general question. What personal security : risks should be considered for someone considering a bareboat charter : in the Caribbean? : : Thanks in advance. |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
"being stolen with the use of a chainsaw. The thieves cut the
transom off the boat and walked away with the outboard, transom in tow." So why not steal the dinghy AND o/b? Also chainsaw with a "silencer"? "carried a shotgun around just as a destractor for customs." This is a good one! ROTFL -- c ya Wim www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html "Dan" wrote in message om... : Since they are chartering a boat, I wouldn't be too worried about : pirates at sea. Your safety ashore is much more at risk if you are in : the tourist trap areas (pick pockets, etc.). Check out the Seven Seas : Cruising Association for Piracy reports. Most the of the Caribbean is : relatively safe with the exception of the Venezulian and Columbian : coasts. If pirates do come, they are after things they can easily : fence -small electronics, outboard motors, things easily carried off, : and of course, cash. Precautions at night are a must. Make sure they : know how to turn the deck lights on. This will scare away most : intruders if they are trying to climb aboard. Also, secure the dinghy : aboard if possible. I like to do this simply because storms can pop : up in the middle of the night and it's just one less thing to worry : about while fighting a dragging anchor. : : In the Bahama's a favorite trick for thieves is to strip naked, cover : themselves in vasoline, and climb aboard at night when everyone is : asleep or possibly ashore passed out at a tavern. Being naked and : greased up makes it hard for you to grab hold of them. I've read : reports about outboard motors that were locked to the transom of a : dinghy being stolen with the use of a chainsaw. The thieves cut the : transom off the boat and walked away with the outboard, transom in : tow. : : As a side note, I have a number of friends that have cruised the : caribbean extensively and even gone down the coast of South America : all the away to the tip of Argentina. They said guns are useful. : When trying to clear customs at a port, the officials will be so : worried about your gun that they often overlook things like expired : pet tags or other goods in the boat that have not been declared. They : carried a shotgun around just as a destractor for customs. : : Dan Schiro : M/V Sea Ranch : Pensacola Sail and Power Squadron : : (Curtis CCR) wrote in message . com... : I enjoyed the movie - it's my favorite ride a Disneyland... but I was : looking for up-to-date opinions on the threat of piracy in the : Caribbean. If you go to Google and search of information, all you get : is the movie stuff etc. Try changing the word to "Piracy" with : Caribean and you get hits related to offshore software theft.... : : I have no experience with small boat cruising in the Caribbean. An : aquantance of mine is looking into a bareboat charter in the area. : She was online discussing it with someone that started filling her : head with concerns about pirates. Sounded like she was really freaked : by the thought of their boat being boarded by thugs and her and her : friends being beaten, robbed, raped.... or worse. : : She lives in Piedmont - a part of Oakland, CA. I told her she was : probably more likely to get carjacked in her own neighborhood, than : hijacked on a boat south of Florida. But I also told her I told her I : would ask about it. : : So what parts of the Caribbean would be considered "high risk" for a : small group of young adults on a 50-something foot sailboat? I don't : imagine that the demographic make up of the group or the size of the : boats makes a difference - but if it does... : : While I myself might be prepared to go such a cruise armed in some : way, I am hesitant, for a couple of reasons, to to suggest to her that : someone on the trip should have a gun. Primarily, I am concerned that : saying something like, "maybe you should have a gun on board," would : make it sound like she should be worried. Secondly, I don't know if : she or any of her companions know how to handle a gun in such a : situation. : : I don't want this to be a gun issue, but I know someone is going to : bring it up ... and I'll likely be sorry it was me. : : Let me "bottom line" with a general question. What personal security : risks should be considered for someone considering a bareboat charter : in the Caribbean? : : Thanks in advance. |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 15:42:21 GMT, (Larry W4CSC) wrote:
I'd be very interested in more details about this attack, name of boat, date of attack. etc. I have lived in Thailand for 30 years, much of the time aboard a 40ft sloop, and have neither heard of this event, nor have I talked to any yachty who has heard about it or actually been exposed to a "pirate attack" in Thailand. This is not to say that no pirate attacks have happened here, just that in thirty years I am aware of one authenticated attack - twenty years, or more ago,against a yacht, and the so called "pirates" actually fishermen, made no attempt to molest any of the four persons aboard the yacht and were arrested by the Songkla police within days and some of the boat gear was recovered. Certainly there have been pirate attacks but against comercial vessels, lately mostly "trawlers" hauling illegial diesel fuel into Thailand (fuel prices are 40 - 50% cheaper in Malaysia), however these are actually a rarity. Another thing that sounds a bit strange about the German story is that in all of the cases of theft from boats the thiefs have taken easially salable items; VHF, GPS, Compass, etc., never a complete yacht. Only a few complete yachts have been stolen and in both of the cases I am aware of they were stolen by foreigners, not "Thai Pirates". Due to Thai customs laws it would be practically impossible for a pirate to sell a foreign yacht in Thailand. In fact a cat, stolen in the Med was recently recovered in Phuket by the local authorities and returned to the owners. This is not intended to make a case for "never been a pirate attack here" but rather that there is a lot of rumers about things that never happened. On 01 Jan 2004 06:50:42 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: you need a gun, a shotgun, a revolver, a machine gun, a grenade launcher, a machette, a Swiss Army knife, a Boy Scout knife, a paring knife, a box cutter, a fingernail clipper and a frickin' brain. Trollin' aside, I have a German friend who says you only need Russian hand grenades, easily obtained in many places according to him. Off of Thailand he was attacked single handing his boat by a high speed boat. They shot over his head but didn't shoot directly at the prize they were after, his yacht. When they came within throwing range he simply dropped one of these grenades into the boat before the boarders could reach his rail and they were so busy scrambling in the bilge for the "egg" they veered off before it exploded. The effect was devastating, a total destruction. That was the only place he's been attacked but his boat is full of the arms you make fun of. He says anyone not heavily armed cruising anywhere is totally crazy.... I can think of no easier targets than most of the yachtsmen I know.....As a group, the moneyed elite are awfully naive. As to using the radio, what's the point? Noone's going to help you except to maybe come look for your body, floating face down long after it's over. Hell, I'm amazed the local marinas aren't regularly ransacked, here. Cheers, anon (reply to k4556[at]inet[dot]co[dot]th) |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 15:42:21 GMT, (Larry W4CSC) wrote:
I'd be very interested in more details about this attack, name of boat, date of attack. etc. I have lived in Thailand for 30 years, much of the time aboard a 40ft sloop, and have neither heard of this event, nor have I talked to any yachty who has heard about it or actually been exposed to a "pirate attack" in Thailand. This is not to say that no pirate attacks have happened here, just that in thirty years I am aware of one authenticated attack - twenty years, or more ago,against a yacht, and the so called "pirates" actually fishermen, made no attempt to molest any of the four persons aboard the yacht and were arrested by the Songkla police within days and some of the boat gear was recovered. Certainly there have been pirate attacks but against comercial vessels, lately mostly "trawlers" hauling illegial diesel fuel into Thailand (fuel prices are 40 - 50% cheaper in Malaysia), however these are actually a rarity. Another thing that sounds a bit strange about the German story is that in all of the cases of theft from boats the thiefs have taken easially salable items; VHF, GPS, Compass, etc., never a complete yacht. Only a few complete yachts have been stolen and in both of the cases I am aware of they were stolen by foreigners, not "Thai Pirates". Due to Thai customs laws it would be practically impossible for a pirate to sell a foreign yacht in Thailand. In fact a cat, stolen in the Med was recently recovered in Phuket by the local authorities and returned to the owners. This is not intended to make a case for "never been a pirate attack here" but rather that there is a lot of rumers about things that never happened. On 01 Jan 2004 06:50:42 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: you need a gun, a shotgun, a revolver, a machine gun, a grenade launcher, a machette, a Swiss Army knife, a Boy Scout knife, a paring knife, a box cutter, a fingernail clipper and a frickin' brain. Trollin' aside, I have a German friend who says you only need Russian hand grenades, easily obtained in many places according to him. Off of Thailand he was attacked single handing his boat by a high speed boat. They shot over his head but didn't shoot directly at the prize they were after, his yacht. When they came within throwing range he simply dropped one of these grenades into the boat before the boarders could reach his rail and they were so busy scrambling in the bilge for the "egg" they veered off before it exploded. The effect was devastating, a total destruction. That was the only place he's been attacked but his boat is full of the arms you make fun of. He says anyone not heavily armed cruising anywhere is totally crazy.... I can think of no easier targets than most of the yachtsmen I know.....As a group, the moneyed elite are awfully naive. As to using the radio, what's the point? Noone's going to help you except to maybe come look for your body, floating face down long after it's over. Hell, I'm amazed the local marinas aren't regularly ransacked, here. Cheers, anon (reply to k4556[at]inet[dot]co[dot]th) |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 08:30:14 -0500, "Bruce"
wrote: He is every report of problems in the Caribbean in the last several years http://www.caribcruisers.com/index.html Bruce, Looking at the list of incidents in the Caribbean is instructive. Besides the numerous thefts or attempted thefts of dinks, there seems to be an unusual number of boardings while people are asleep on the boat. In these and the dink stealing instances, guns would be useless. For the boardings some kind of intruder alarm would seem to be the most valuable addition to a boat. Even for those examples when people were robbed at gun point, having a gun on board would probably not have been helpful. The victim was usually off the boat and/or was surprised by the robber. If fact, as I read the list, I could only detect a very few times when I gun on board might have made the difference. I did not see a single time when a boat load of armed men approached a boat directly in such a way that the occupants would have the warning or time to get their gun. Did I miss something? Lee Huddleston s/v Truelove |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 08:30:14 -0500, "Bruce"
wrote: He is every report of problems in the Caribbean in the last several years http://www.caribcruisers.com/index.html Bruce, Looking at the list of incidents in the Caribbean is instructive. Besides the numerous thefts or attempted thefts of dinks, there seems to be an unusual number of boardings while people are asleep on the boat. In these and the dink stealing instances, guns would be useless. For the boardings some kind of intruder alarm would seem to be the most valuable addition to a boat. Even for those examples when people were robbed at gun point, having a gun on board would probably not have been helpful. The victim was usually off the boat and/or was surprised by the robber. If fact, as I read the list, I could only detect a very few times when I gun on board might have made the difference. I did not see a single time when a boat load of armed men approached a boat directly in such a way that the occupants would have the warning or time to get their gun. Did I miss something? Lee Huddleston s/v Truelove |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:54:55 -0600, "Karin Conover-Lewis"
wrote: While I am personally all for blowing pirates to their eternal reward, I have to imagine that there might be legal repercussions to such activities. Unless, of course, you have obtained your Letter of Marque prior to going cruising. ;-) What activity? What pirate boat? I don't see any boats...... Dead men don't testify. It never happened. |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:54:55 -0600, "Karin Conover-Lewis"
wrote: While I am personally all for blowing pirates to their eternal reward, I have to imagine that there might be legal repercussions to such activities. Unless, of course, you have obtained your Letter of Marque prior to going cruising. ;-) What activity? What pirate boat? I don't see any boats...... Dead men don't testify. It never happened. |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 08:24:20 +0700, anon wrote:
This is not intended to make a case for "never been a pirate attack here" but rather that there is a lot of rumers about things that never happened. I can only relate the story told me. I wasn't there. It was told to me as I looked over the illegal Russian grenade I was holding. Sorry I don't know more about it..... |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 08:24:20 +0700, anon wrote:
This is not intended to make a case for "never been a pirate attack here" but rather that there is a lot of rumers about things that never happened. I can only relate the story told me. I wasn't there. It was told to me as I looked over the illegal Russian grenade I was holding. Sorry I don't know more about it..... |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
Your assessment is very accurate. I doubt many have bothered to go to this
link and study it like you have. The post where the guy questioned why they didn't steal dinghy's was case in point. If you read the site, you will see that the thieves only want the motor. Dinks are only useful to a cruiser. These are reports from the victims who are actively cruising the Caribbean. This is the sum of all complaints from the Safety and Security Net. Everything else is News Group BS Bruce |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
Your assessment is very accurate. I doubt many have bothered to go to this
link and study it like you have. The post where the guy questioned why they didn't steal dinghy's was case in point. If you read the site, you will see that the thieves only want the motor. Dinks are only useful to a cruiser. These are reports from the victims who are actively cruising the Caribbean. This is the sum of all complaints from the Safety and Security Net. Everything else is News Group BS Bruce |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
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Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
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Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 04:07:25 GMT, Lee Huddleston wrote: On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 08:30:14 -0500, "Bruce" wrote: He is every report of problems in the Caribbean in the last several years http://www.caribcruisers.com/index.html Bruce, Looking at the list of incidents in the Caribbean is instructive. Besides the numerous thefts or attempted thefts of dinks, there seems to be an unusual number of boardings while people are asleep on the boat. In these and the dink stealing instances, guns would be useless. For the boardings some kind of intruder alarm would seem to be the most valuable addition to a boat. Even for those examples when people were robbed at gun point, having a gun on board would probably not have been helpful. The victim was usually off the boat and/or was surprised by the robber. If fact, as I read the list, I could only detect a very few times when I gun on board might have made the difference. I did not see a single time when a boat load of armed men approached a boat directly in such a way that the occupants would have the warning or time to get their gun. Did I miss something? While there are many good arguments against carrying a firearm on board, this is not one of them. Unless you wish to also throw away that fire extinguisher? after all, *most* fires occur when you are off the boat, or asleep... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/9i+Gd90bcYOAWPYRAg1WAKCxB7W5I60rBLaTzyQwiz1nC+PrWQ CfW1hc 3D2PMgdQ7GZ8016wcyvgfK0= =XApt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock The real fun of living wisely is that you get to feel smug about it -- Hobbes |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
Curtis CCR wrote:
..... What personal security risks should be considered for someone considering a bareboat charter in the Caribbean? The greatest "personal security risk" for Caribbean bareboating is severe sunburn. Drinking too much is a close second. DSK |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
Curtis CCR wrote:
..... What personal security risks should be considered for someone considering a bareboat charter in the Caribbean? The greatest "personal security risk" for Caribbean bareboating is severe sunburn. Drinking too much is a close second. DSK |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
On 31 Dec 2003 17:07:26 -0800, (Curtis CCR)
wrote: So what parts of the Caribbean would be considered "high risk" for a small group of young adults on a 50-something foot sailboat? I don't imagine that the demographic make up of the group or the size of the boats makes a difference - but if it does... \ Haven't heard too much about the Carribean, but 2 years ago, the ham radio net I'm with (the Maritime Net) came to the aid of a family in a sailboat that was attacked by pirates off the west coast of Honduras. I've also heard that the northern coast of S. America can be a problem. The other factor to consider is the lack of law enforcement/SAR resources. When that sailboat was attacked off Honduras, the pirates shot the teenage boy on board. The Honduran Navy does not operate at night (!) so they wouldn't go get him until the following day. And it was out of USCG range. AFAIK, the USCG patrols, along with other nations, the Carribean. If you have a shortwave radio, you can hear USCG aircraft on 5696 KHz. Bob/WF3H/USCG Auxiliary --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field check my blog at: http://www.bobview.blogspot.com/ |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
On 31 Dec 2003 17:07:26 -0800, (Curtis CCR)
wrote: So what parts of the Caribbean would be considered "high risk" for a small group of young adults on a 50-something foot sailboat? I don't imagine that the demographic make up of the group or the size of the boats makes a difference - but if it does... \ Haven't heard too much about the Carribean, but 2 years ago, the ham radio net I'm with (the Maritime Net) came to the aid of a family in a sailboat that was attacked by pirates off the west coast of Honduras. I've also heard that the northern coast of S. America can be a problem. The other factor to consider is the lack of law enforcement/SAR resources. When that sailboat was attacked off Honduras, the pirates shot the teenage boy on board. The Honduran Navy does not operate at night (!) so they wouldn't go get him until the following day. And it was out of USCG range. AFAIK, the USCG patrols, along with other nations, the Carribean. If you have a shortwave radio, you can hear USCG aircraft on 5696 KHz. Bob/WF3H/USCG Auxiliary --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field check my blog at: http://www.bobview.blogspot.com/ |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
Not exactly a "complete" list.... (especially in the Bahamas)
It failed to mention the 50' sportfish from Miami that was hijacked and the Captain aimed it at Cat Cay at full blast and jumped off the bridge and swam to Gun Cay while the boat crashed into North Cat and police came and caught the two hijackers.... Also there are always several posters in the customs office about recent boat thefts. If you are 100% confident in your abilty to use a firearm and have practice on a moving vessel (different from a range) and can secure it from thieves and minors then it may be a good idea to have one... .if not, it will probably be used on you if you ever have the misfortune to need it. In 20 years of cruising, I have always had one aboard but only once did I send someone below to grab it (came across a drug boat during a pickup...thought it would be good to have it on the bridge) but luckily have never had to even chamber a round or hold it up to scare anyone off. Lee Huddleston wrote: On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 08:30:14 -0500, "Bruce" wrote: He is every report of problems in the Caribbean in the last several years http://www.caribcruisers.com/index.html Bruce, Looking at the list of incidents in the Caribbean is instructive. Besides the numerous thefts or attempted thefts of dinks, there seems to be an unusual number of boardings while people are asleep on the boat. In these and the dink stealing instances, guns would be useless. For the boardings some kind of intruder alarm would seem to be the most valuable addition to a boat. Even for those examples when people were robbed at gun point, having a gun on board would probably not have been helpful. The victim was usually off the boat and/or was surprised by the robber. If fact, as I read the list, I could only detect a very few times when I gun on board might have made the difference. I did not see a single time when a boat load of armed men approached a boat directly in such a way that the occupants would have the warning or time to get their gun. Did I miss something? Lee Huddleston s/v Truelove |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
Not exactly a "complete" list.... (especially in the Bahamas)
It failed to mention the 50' sportfish from Miami that was hijacked and the Captain aimed it at Cat Cay at full blast and jumped off the bridge and swam to Gun Cay while the boat crashed into North Cat and police came and caught the two hijackers.... Also there are always several posters in the customs office about recent boat thefts. If you are 100% confident in your abilty to use a firearm and have practice on a moving vessel (different from a range) and can secure it from thieves and minors then it may be a good idea to have one... .if not, it will probably be used on you if you ever have the misfortune to need it. In 20 years of cruising, I have always had one aboard but only once did I send someone below to grab it (came across a drug boat during a pickup...thought it would be good to have it on the bridge) but luckily have never had to even chamber a round or hold it up to scare anyone off. Lee Huddleston wrote: On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 08:30:14 -0500, "Bruce" wrote: He is every report of problems in the Caribbean in the last several years http://www.caribcruisers.com/index.html Bruce, Looking at the list of incidents in the Caribbean is instructive. Besides the numerous thefts or attempted thefts of dinks, there seems to be an unusual number of boardings while people are asleep on the boat. In these and the dink stealing instances, guns would be useless. For the boardings some kind of intruder alarm would seem to be the most valuable addition to a boat. Even for those examples when people were robbed at gun point, having a gun on board would probably not have been helpful. The victim was usually off the boat and/or was surprised by the robber. If fact, as I read the list, I could only detect a very few times when I gun on board might have made the difference. I did not see a single time when a boat load of armed men approached a boat directly in such a way that the occupants would have the warning or time to get their gun. Did I miss something? Lee Huddleston s/v Truelove |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
Guess being experienced as a Navy Boarding Party member qualifies as
practiced with firearms and weapons from a moving vessel to a moving vessel? It has been years, and I do not miss it, but I do not want to be without any defense when it is needed. Lots of defenseless people are slaughtered every year, as are the armed ones too. Best defense is a good watch, avoidance, and escape. My last Navy time on a ship was in 1974. We often operated in conjunction with local police and the US Coast Guard against pirates and bandits while in the Carribean (and other places too). It was more of an aside for us, but we had very powerfull radar with integrated fleet tracking which could track the pirates and vector in the USCG. Mostly drug runners I think. "Ed" wrote in message ... Not exactly a "complete" list.... (especially in the Bahamas) It failed to mention the 50' sportfish from Miami that was hijacked and the Captain aimed it at Cat Cay at full blast and jumped off the bridge and swam to Gun Cay while the boat crashed into North Cat and police came and caught the two hijackers.... Also there are always several posters in the customs office about recent boat thefts. If you are 100% confident in your abilty to use a firearm and have practice on a moving vessel (different from a range) and can secure it from thieves and minors then it may be a good idea to have one... .if not, it will probably be used on you if you ever have the misfortune to need it. In 20 years of cruising, I have always had one aboard but only once did I send someone below to grab it (came across a drug boat during a pickup...thought it would be good to have it on the bridge) but luckily have never had to even chamber a round or hold it up to scare anyone off. Lee Huddleston wrote: On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 08:30:14 -0500, "Bruce" wrote: He is every report of problems in the Caribbean in the last several years http://www.caribcruisers.com/index.html Bruce, Looking at the list of incidents in the Caribbean is instructive. Besides the numerous thefts or attempted thefts of dinks, there seems to be an unusual number of boardings while people are asleep on the boat. In these and the dink stealing instances, guns would be useless. For the boardings some kind of intruder alarm would seem to be the most valuable addition to a boat. Even for those examples when people were robbed at gun point, having a gun on board would probably not have been helpful. The victim was usually off the boat and/or was surprised by the robber. If fact, as I read the list, I could only detect a very few times when I gun on board might have made the difference. I did not see a single time when a boat load of armed men approached a boat directly in such a way that the occupants would have the warning or time to get their gun. Did I miss something? Lee Huddleston s/v Truelove -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Pirates of the Caribbean - no, I'm serious
Guess being experienced as a Navy Boarding Party member qualifies as
practiced with firearms and weapons from a moving vessel to a moving vessel? It has been years, and I do not miss it, but I do not want to be without any defense when it is needed. Lots of defenseless people are slaughtered every year, as are the armed ones too. Best defense is a good watch, avoidance, and escape. My last Navy time on a ship was in 1974. We often operated in conjunction with local police and the US Coast Guard against pirates and bandits while in the Carribean (and other places too). It was more of an aside for us, but we had very powerfull radar with integrated fleet tracking which could track the pirates and vector in the USCG. Mostly drug runners I think. "Ed" wrote in message ... Not exactly a "complete" list.... (especially in the Bahamas) It failed to mention the 50' sportfish from Miami that was hijacked and the Captain aimed it at Cat Cay at full blast and jumped off the bridge and swam to Gun Cay while the boat crashed into North Cat and police came and caught the two hijackers.... Also there are always several posters in the customs office about recent boat thefts. If you are 100% confident in your abilty to use a firearm and have practice on a moving vessel (different from a range) and can secure it from thieves and minors then it may be a good idea to have one... .if not, it will probably be used on you if you ever have the misfortune to need it. In 20 years of cruising, I have always had one aboard but only once did I send someone below to grab it (came across a drug boat during a pickup...thought it would be good to have it on the bridge) but luckily have never had to even chamber a round or hold it up to scare anyone off. Lee Huddleston wrote: On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 08:30:14 -0500, "Bruce" wrote: He is every report of problems in the Caribbean in the last several years http://www.caribcruisers.com/index.html Bruce, Looking at the list of incidents in the Caribbean is instructive. Besides the numerous thefts or attempted thefts of dinks, there seems to be an unusual number of boardings while people are asleep on the boat. In these and the dink stealing instances, guns would be useless. For the boardings some kind of intruder alarm would seem to be the most valuable addition to a boat. Even for those examples when people were robbed at gun point, having a gun on board would probably not have been helpful. The victim was usually off the boat and/or was surprised by the robber. If fact, as I read the list, I could only detect a very few times when I gun on board might have made the difference. I did not see a single time when a boat load of armed men approached a boat directly in such a way that the occupants would have the warning or time to get their gun. Did I miss something? Lee Huddleston s/v Truelove -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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