"Ken Heaton" wrote in message
...
I may be misunderstanding you Steve but if you are asking what the joke is
it goes something like this:


Also

" Where the F**k are we" F.U.G.A.W.I...

That would be "Where the FUGAWI!"

Doug
s/v Callista


"Ken Heaton" wrote in message
...
I may be misunderstanding you Steve but if you are asking what the joke is
it goes something like this:

Have you heard about the Fugawi tribe recently discovered by
anthropologists
in Africa?
Apparently they are a tribe of Pigmies that live in the grasslands of the
central plains. They are on average about 4' tall and live in a region
where the grass grows about 6' tall.
We call them the Fugawi because they are always going around saying, (wait
for it) "We're the Fugawi, we're the Fugawi." ;-)

Happy New Year!
--
Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
Cape Breton Island, Canada
kenheaton AT syd DOT eastlink DOT ca

"Steve" wrote in message
news
FUGAWI, but you have to respect people who name their product after a
bad joke.



I appreciate all of your comments Wiley, but please expand on the above
'snipe'..

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

That would be "Where the FUGAWI!"

Doug
s/v Callista


"Ken Heaton" wrote in message
...
I may be misunderstanding you Steve but if you are asking what the joke is
it goes something like this:

Have you heard about the Fugawi tribe recently discovered by
anthropologists
in Africa?
Apparently they are a tribe of Pigmies that live in the grasslands of the
central plains. They are on average about 4' tall and live in a region
where the grass grows about 6' tall.
We call them the Fugawi because they are always going around saying, (wait
for it) "We're the Fugawi, we're the Fugawi." ;-)

Happy New Year!
--
Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
Cape Breton Island, Canada
kenheaton AT syd DOT eastlink DOT ca

"Steve" wrote in message
news
FUGAWI, but you have to respect people who name their product after a
bad joke.



I appreciate all of your comments Wiley, but please expand on the above
'snipe'..

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

No kidding.

"Saltair" wrote in message
news:LbYKb.16465$X%5.6440@pd7tw2no...

"Ken Heaton" wrote in message
...
I may be misunderstanding you Steve but if you are asking what the joke
is
it goes something like this:


Also

" Where the F**k are we" F.U.G.A.W.I...

No kidding.

"Saltair" wrote in message
news:LbYKb.16465$X%5.6440@pd7tw2no...

"Ken Heaton" wrote in message
...
I may be misunderstanding you Steve but if you are asking what the joke
is
it goes something like this:


Also

" Where the F**k are we" F.U.G.A.W.I...

The only beef I have woth Capn is that the port used for GPS in
and autopilot out must be the same. Does OZI allow different ports be
specified for in and out?

Doug
s/v Callista

"Glen "Wiley" Wilson" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:48:18 -0800, "Steve" wrote:

FUGAWI, but you have to respect people who name their product after a
bad joke.



I appreciate all of your comments Wiley, but please expand on the above
'snipe'..

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

Steve -

I see you already have the answer. I didn't mean that as a snipe; I
truly like the attitude it shows. A slightly different version of the
joke refers to the Fukarya tribe.

Another poster recommended Maptech. I like it, but I doubt that
anyone who has a beef with the resource requirements of CAPN will like
Maptech much better. I was never satisfied with it till I upgraded to
an 850 mhz cpu with 256MB. The official recommendation of "Pentium
class cpu and 64MB" is absurd. Nice functionality though. It's what
I run when I want to use the photos and topo maps from their
chartkits. The configurability of Offshore Navigator is superb. The
current version seems reliable enough, though I had a lot of trouble
with older versions. You can use any charts you like, as long as
MapTech made them.

As for OziExplorer support, I doubt that you could find many people to
complain about it. The author has an excellent record of fixing user
problems and adding requested features. Also, there is an excellent
Ozi mailist on Yahoo that generally turns around answers to questions
in a few hours. I licensed the program in 1998 and I really haven't
had any reliability problems since that first year. Also, even with
all the new features that have been added, there has never been an
upgrade fee. Which is not to say the program is perfect. The real
problem with Ozi from my point of view is that it was originally built
for hikers and off-roaders and has grown more by accretion than by
design. The feature set and interface are not ideal from our point of
view.

Given the option, I'd try hard to wait and see how ENC support shakes
out before choosing. I have the feeling that most of the vendors are
trying to figure out how to make those free charts more expensive than
the ones we have now.

If I planned on going places where BSB chart coverage is spotty or
insanely expensive (and I do), Ozi or Fugawi would be aboard
regardless of what else I was using.
__________________________________________________ __________
Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com
To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious.

Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and
logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/

The only beef I have woth Capn is that the port used for GPS in
and autopilot out must be the same. Does OZI allow different ports be
specified for in and out?

Doug
s/v Callista

"Glen "Wiley" Wilson" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:48:18 -0800, "Steve" wrote:

FUGAWI, but you have to respect people who name their product after a
bad joke.



I appreciate all of your comments Wiley, but please expand on the above
'snipe'..

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

Steve -

I see you already have the answer. I didn't mean that as a snipe; I
truly like the attitude it shows. A slightly different version of the
joke refers to the Fukarya tribe.

Another poster recommended Maptech. I like it, but I doubt that
anyone who has a beef with the resource requirements of CAPN will like
Maptech much better. I was never satisfied with it till I upgraded to
an 850 mhz cpu with 256MB. The official recommendation of "Pentium
class cpu and 64MB" is absurd. Nice functionality though. It's what
I run when I want to use the photos and topo maps from their
chartkits. The configurability of Offshore Navigator is superb. The
current version seems reliable enough, though I had a lot of trouble
with older versions. You can use any charts you like, as long as
MapTech made them.

As for OziExplorer support, I doubt that you could find many people to
complain about it. The author has an excellent record of fixing user
problems and adding requested features. Also, there is an excellent
Ozi mailist on Yahoo that generally turns around answers to questions
in a few hours. I licensed the program in 1998 and I really haven't
had any reliability problems since that first year. Also, even with
all the new features that have been added, there has never been an
upgrade fee. Which is not to say the program is perfect. The real
problem with Ozi from my point of view is that it was originally built
for hikers and off-roaders and has grown more by accretion than by
design. The feature set and interface are not ideal from our point of
view.

Given the option, I'd try hard to wait and see how ENC support shakes
out before choosing. I have the feeling that most of the vendors are
trying to figure out how to make those free charts more expensive than
the ones we have now.

If I planned on going places where BSB chart coverage is spotty or
insanely expensive (and I do), Ozi or Fugawi would be aboard
regardless of what else I was using.
__________________________________________________ __________
Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com
To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious.

Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and
logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/

What is it about the user interface of Capn that you don;t like? I've been
using it for years and can't think of any major complaints. Taking
existing waypoints and incorporating them into a route used to
be a problem but has been fixed in the latest release. I downloaded the
Nobeltec demo several years ago and found it to be unreliable
and quirky so I walked away from it. Same situation with Maptech.
Haven't tried FUGAWI and OZI though.

Doug
s/v Callista

"spdevel" wrote in message
...
I've used them all:

The Capn - really poor user interface. Bad feel. The only people who
like
it are the ones who've been using it for many years and don't know any
better.

Fugawi - very basic stuff. Not the best and certainly not the most
reliable.

OziExplorer - buy software from an American company or else support will
be
a nightmare. OziExplorer is very similar to Fugawi in my experiments.
Again, not the most reliable.

Nobeltec VNS, etc. - the best. Best features and user-interface. It is
reliable. Also the most expensive. I don't think that their product
justifies the $500 - $1,000 cost any longer.

Maptech - good compromise between everything. Excellent support.
Features
are good enough for most uses. User interface is pretty good. It is
reliable.

Transas, Raymarine, and all the others - not ready for prime time.


If you can afford it, Nobeltec is the way to do. For a more reasonably
priced product with great features and excellent support, you would be
very
happy with the Maptech products.

Safety is the most important thing. Don't forget that!

What is it about the user interface of Capn that you don;t like? I've been
using it for years and can't think of any major complaints. Taking
existing waypoints and incorporating them into a route used to
be a problem but has been fixed in the latest release. I downloaded the
Nobeltec demo several years ago and found it to be unreliable
and quirky so I walked away from it. Same situation with Maptech.
Haven't tried FUGAWI and OZI though.

Doug
s/v Callista

"spdevel" wrote in message
...
I've used them all:

The Capn - really poor user interface. Bad feel. The only people who
like
it are the ones who've been using it for many years and don't know any
better.

Fugawi - very basic stuff. Not the best and certainly not the most
reliable.

OziExplorer - buy software from an American company or else support will
be
a nightmare. OziExplorer is very similar to Fugawi in my experiments.
Again, not the most reliable.

Nobeltec VNS, etc. - the best. Best features and user-interface. It is
reliable. Also the most expensive. I don't think that their product
justifies the $500 - $1,000 cost any longer.

Maptech - good compromise between everything. Excellent support.
Features
are good enough for most uses. User interface is pretty good. It is
reliable.

Transas, Raymarine, and all the others - not ready for prime time.


If you can afford it, Nobeltec is the way to do. For a more reasonably
priced product with great features and excellent support, you would be
very
happy with the Maptech products.

Safety is the most important thing. Don't forget that!

I also like the Tides and Currents module of the Capn. Was invaluable
when in the ICW. The bottom graph was helpful too. Just wish that
LCD screens suitable for mounting at the helm weren;t so expensive.
We use a NAVMAN for that. They (NAVMAN) wouldn;t give me
info on the exchange format though. I sent an email, they replied
asking for clarification o what I was asking and then I never heard
from them again. Would be nice to exchange waypoints and routes
between the two units.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Steve" wrote in message
...
Thanks. That was the type of comparision I was looking for, although not
what I wanted to hear.

I believe that Nautical Technology (The Capn), Nobeltec and Maptech have
an
agenda to lock the navigator into a chart format. And of course they
control
the market on these formats.

Not only do I have about five hundred buck invested in The Capn, but I
have
nearly a thousand invested in BSB and other raster formats that run on
Capn
and Maptech software.. Now I see each company introducing their new
formats/type of digital charts.. The money is not in the navigation
software, the money is in the charts. The race among the three leaders is
to
get the navigator locked into a format before he becomes aware of the ever
increasing number of vector charts being released for free..

Although I have been locked into BSB and The Capn for about 4 years, I
have
only sailed two seasons with this software and chart format. I am content
with the choice of chart format but I have lost confidence in Nautical
Technology since there fail to provide comprehensive interface with
external
devices. (subject of previous posts here and in rec.boats.electronics)..

For my present and future navigation requirements, I don't see any need
for
SoftCharts, Vector charts or enhanced video presentations with my charts.
I
just want my laptop screen to look like the paper charts that I have
laying
on the chart table.

One of the feature of The Capn that I would miss with a Fugawi change over
would be the Tides & Currents, however, I still will have their Tides and
Currents available though the Graphic representation, I just won't be able
to display this information on the chart.

I guess I have ranted enough (for now).

Steve
s/v Good Intentions