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Steve December 31st 03 10:18 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 
While discussing flag etiquette, it got me to thinking of the flags I still
need to find..

Looks like I'm going to be doing a lot of singlehanding, (no one wants to
sail with an 'ole fart')..

I know there is a semi official flag for singlehanding. Just a silhouette of
a hand in a circle, on a contrasting field... However the only one I
remember seeing was in a black and white photo..

Does anyone know where to purchase such a flag, ready made or the specific
details and color so I can make my own..

I assume that it is kinda like the 'battle ax' flag that evolved and became
the excepted standard..

As final note, I propose that anyone who flies the singlehanded flag be
excussed or exempt for all other flag etiquette/requirements.. Mainly
because he already has his hands full when entering and departing and
everyone should have a degree of pitty for his lonely situation. Same would
hold true if he happens to forget to take in his fenders, upon leaving the
dock.

Just my thoughts (suffering from 'cabin fever')

Steve
s/v Good Intentions (/w 6" snow on deck, but toastie warm below)



Wim January 1st 04 11:52 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 
Hi Steve,
This flag may attract the "Pirates of the Caribbean"( see other post).
They would know you're alone, but necessarily not defenseless? ;-)
Happy New Year :-)
--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Steve" wrote in message
...
: While discussing flag etiquette, it got me to thinking of the flags I
still
: need to find..
:
: Looks like I'm going to be doing a lot of singlehanding, (no one wants to
: sail with an 'ole fart')..
:
: I know there is a semi official flag for singlehanding. Just a silhouette
of
: a hand in a circle, on a contrasting field... However the only one I
: remember seeing was in a black and white photo..
:
: Does anyone know where to purchase such a flag, ready made or the specific
: details and color so I can make my own..
:
: I assume that it is kinda like the 'battle ax' flag that evolved and
became
: the excepted standard..
:
: As final note, I propose that anyone who flies the singlehanded flag be
: excussed or exempt for all other flag etiquette/requirements.. Mainly
: because he already has his hands full when entering and departing and
: everyone should have a degree of pitty for his lonely situation. Same
would
: hold true if he happens to forget to take in his fenders, upon leaving the
: dock.
:
: Just my thoughts (suffering from 'cabin fever')
:
: Steve
: s/v Good Intentions (/w 6" snow on deck, but toastie warm below)
:
:



Wim January 1st 04 11:52 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 
Hi Steve,
This flag may attract the "Pirates of the Caribbean"( see other post).
They would know you're alone, but necessarily not defenseless? ;-)
Happy New Year :-)
--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Steve" wrote in message
...
: While discussing flag etiquette, it got me to thinking of the flags I
still
: need to find..
:
: Looks like I'm going to be doing a lot of singlehanding, (no one wants to
: sail with an 'ole fart')..
:
: I know there is a semi official flag for singlehanding. Just a silhouette
of
: a hand in a circle, on a contrasting field... However the only one I
: remember seeing was in a black and white photo..
:
: Does anyone know where to purchase such a flag, ready made or the specific
: details and color so I can make my own..
:
: I assume that it is kinda like the 'battle ax' flag that evolved and
became
: the excepted standard..
:
: As final note, I propose that anyone who flies the singlehanded flag be
: excussed or exempt for all other flag etiquette/requirements.. Mainly
: because he already has his hands full when entering and departing and
: everyone should have a degree of pitty for his lonely situation. Same
would
: hold true if he happens to forget to take in his fenders, upon leaving the
: dock.
:
: Just my thoughts (suffering from 'cabin fever')
:
: Steve
: s/v Good Intentions (/w 6" snow on deck, but toastie warm below)
:
:



Rufus January 4th 04 12:24 AM

Single Handed Flag??
 
Might also attract the CG, since single handing normally implies
breaking the rules about always having a lookout on deck.

Rufus

Wim wrote:

Hi Steve,
This flag may attract the "Pirates of the Caribbean"( see other post).
They would know you're alone, but necessarily not defenseless? ;-)
Happy New Year :-)



Rufus January 4th 04 12:24 AM

Single Handed Flag??
 
Might also attract the CG, since single handing normally implies
breaking the rules about always having a lookout on deck.

Rufus

Wim wrote:

Hi Steve,
This flag may attract the "Pirates of the Caribbean"( see other post).
They would know you're alone, but necessarily not defenseless? ;-)
Happy New Year :-)



Doug Dotson January 5th 04 03:23 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 
If I were out there alone I'm not sure I would want to advertise it.
Might attract the wrong kind of attention from nasty folks.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Steve" wrote in message
...
While discussing flag etiquette, it got me to thinking of the flags I

still
need to find..

Looks like I'm going to be doing a lot of singlehanding, (no one wants to
sail with an 'ole fart')..

I know there is a semi official flag for singlehanding. Just a silhouette

of
a hand in a circle, on a contrasting field... However the only one I
remember seeing was in a black and white photo..

Does anyone know where to purchase such a flag, ready made or the specific
details and color so I can make my own..

I assume that it is kinda like the 'battle ax' flag that evolved and

became
the excepted standard..

As final note, I propose that anyone who flies the singlehanded flag be
excussed or exempt for all other flag etiquette/requirements.. Mainly
because he already has his hands full when entering and departing and
everyone should have a degree of pitty for his lonely situation. Same

would
hold true if he happens to forget to take in his fenders, upon leaving the
dock.

Just my thoughts (suffering from 'cabin fever')

Steve
s/v Good Intentions (/w 6" snow on deck, but toastie warm below)





Doug Dotson January 5th 04 03:23 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 
If I were out there alone I'm not sure I would want to advertise it.
Might attract the wrong kind of attention from nasty folks.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Steve" wrote in message
...
While discussing flag etiquette, it got me to thinking of the flags I

still
need to find..

Looks like I'm going to be doing a lot of singlehanding, (no one wants to
sail with an 'ole fart')..

I know there is a semi official flag for singlehanding. Just a silhouette

of
a hand in a circle, on a contrasting field... However the only one I
remember seeing was in a black and white photo..

Does anyone know where to purchase such a flag, ready made or the specific
details and color so I can make my own..

I assume that it is kinda like the 'battle ax' flag that evolved and

became
the excepted standard..

As final note, I propose that anyone who flies the singlehanded flag be
excussed or exempt for all other flag etiquette/requirements.. Mainly
because he already has his hands full when entering and departing and
everyone should have a degree of pitty for his lonely situation. Same

would
hold true if he happens to forget to take in his fenders, upon leaving the
dock.

Just my thoughts (suffering from 'cabin fever')

Steve
s/v Good Intentions (/w 6" snow on deck, but toastie warm below)





Armond Perretta January 5th 04 04:36 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 
Steve wrote:

I know there is a semi official flag for singlehanding. Just a
silhouette of a hand in a circle, on a contrasting field... However
the only one I remember seeing was in a black and white photo..


I haven't bumped into this one. I _will_ say, however that single-handers
usually have little trouble recognizing each other in port. There's a level
of wariness and distrust (or is that seediness) that we seem to exude.

Does anyone know where to purchase such a flag, ready made or the
specific details and color so I can make my own.


I have had a number of specialty flags made by Christine Davis Flags in
Florida. They are probably somewhere on the Internet, but if you cannot
find it drop me a line.

As final note, I propose that anyone who flies the singlehanded
flag be excussed or exempt for all other flag etiquette/requirements.


Nope, you don't get my vote on this one, Steve. I have entered quite a few
foreign ports single-handed, and I cannot recall an instance where there
wasn't time enough to get the gear (including flags) ready to either anchor
or come alongside. My suggestion would be to just slow down and don't let
the situation, or the apparently helpful folks on the customs dock, dictate
your actions. Your first duty is to the safety of the ship.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.tripod.com










Armond Perretta January 5th 04 04:36 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 
Steve wrote:

I know there is a semi official flag for singlehanding. Just a
silhouette of a hand in a circle, on a contrasting field... However
the only one I remember seeing was in a black and white photo..


I haven't bumped into this one. I _will_ say, however that single-handers
usually have little trouble recognizing each other in port. There's a level
of wariness and distrust (or is that seediness) that we seem to exude.

Does anyone know where to purchase such a flag, ready made or the
specific details and color so I can make my own.


I have had a number of specialty flags made by Christine Davis Flags in
Florida. They are probably somewhere on the Internet, but if you cannot
find it drop me a line.

As final note, I propose that anyone who flies the singlehanded
flag be excussed or exempt for all other flag etiquette/requirements.


Nope, you don't get my vote on this one, Steve. I have entered quite a few
foreign ports single-handed, and I cannot recall an instance where there
wasn't time enough to get the gear (including flags) ready to either anchor
or come alongside. My suggestion would be to just slow down and don't let
the situation, or the apparently helpful folks on the customs dock, dictate
your actions. Your first duty is to the safety of the ship.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.tripod.com










Curtis CCR January 5th 04 10:27 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 
Rufus wrote in message news:w2JJb.50799$I07.163474@attbi_s53...
Might also attract the CG, since single handing normally implies
breaking the rules about always having a lookout on deck.


What rules say you have to a "lookout on deck"?


Wim wrote:

Hi Steve,
This flag may attract the "Pirates of the Caribbean"( see other post).
They would know you're alone, but necessarily not defenseless? ;-)
Happy New Year :-)


Curtis CCR January 5th 04 10:27 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 
Rufus wrote in message news:w2JJb.50799$I07.163474@attbi_s53...
Might also attract the CG, since single handing normally implies
breaking the rules about always having a lookout on deck.


What rules say you have to a "lookout on deck"?


Wim wrote:

Hi Steve,
This flag may attract the "Pirates of the Caribbean"( see other post).
They would know you're alone, but necessarily not defenseless? ;-)
Happy New Year :-)


Jeff Morris January 5th 04 11:04 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 
"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
om...
Rufus wrote in message

news:w2JJb.50799$I07.163474@attbi_s53...
Might also attract the CG, since single handing normally implies
breaking the rules about always having a lookout on deck.


What rules say you have to a "lookout on deck"?


Normally this would require a sarcastic reply, but I sense you might be serious.

from "the Convention on the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions
at Sea"
and, in the US, the "Inland Navigational Rules"

RULE 5
Look-out
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight
and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing
circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm



Jeff Morris January 5th 04 11:04 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 
"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
om...
Rufus wrote in message

news:w2JJb.50799$I07.163474@attbi_s53...
Might also attract the CG, since single handing normally implies
breaking the rules about always having a lookout on deck.


What rules say you have to a "lookout on deck"?


Normally this would require a sarcastic reply, but I sense you might be serious.

from "the Convention on the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions
at Sea"
and, in the US, the "Inland Navigational Rules"

RULE 5
Look-out
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight
and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing
circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm



Keith January 6th 04 12:15 AM

Single Handed Flag??
 
Yea, but that doesn't require a second person.

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
om...
Rufus wrote in message

news:w2JJb.50799$I07.163474@attbi_s53...
Might also attract the CG, since single handing normally implies
breaking the rules about always having a lookout on deck.


What rules say you have to a "lookout on deck"?


Normally this would require a sarcastic reply, but I sense you might be

serious.

from "the Convention on the International Regulations for Preventing

Collisions
at Sea"
and, in the US, the "Inland Navigational Rules"

RULE 5
Look-out
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight
and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the

prevailing
circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm





Keith January 6th 04 12:15 AM

Single Handed Flag??
 
Yea, but that doesn't require a second person.

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
om...
Rufus wrote in message

news:w2JJb.50799$I07.163474@attbi_s53...
Might also attract the CG, since single handing normally implies
breaking the rules about always having a lookout on deck.


What rules say you have to a "lookout on deck"?


Normally this would require a sarcastic reply, but I sense you might be

serious.

from "the Convention on the International Regulations for Preventing

Collisions
at Sea"
and, in the US, the "Inland Navigational Rules"

RULE 5
Look-out
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight
and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the

prevailing
circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm





Jeff Morris January 6th 04 12:32 AM

Single Handed Flag??
 
True, but it does limit the length of a passage to the time one can stay awake.

"Keith" wrote in message
...
Yea, but that doesn't require a second person.

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
om...
Rufus wrote in message

news:w2JJb.50799$I07.163474@attbi_s53...
Might also attract the CG, since single handing normally implies
breaking the rules about always having a lookout on deck.

What rules say you have to a "lookout on deck"?


Normally this would require a sarcastic reply, but I sense you might be

serious.

from "the Convention on the International Regulations for Preventing

Collisions
at Sea"
and, in the US, the "Inland Navigational Rules"

RULE 5
Look-out
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight
and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the

prevailing
circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm







Jeff Morris January 6th 04 12:32 AM

Single Handed Flag??
 
True, but it does limit the length of a passage to the time one can stay awake.

"Keith" wrote in message
...
Yea, but that doesn't require a second person.

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
om...
Rufus wrote in message

news:w2JJb.50799$I07.163474@attbi_s53...
Might also attract the CG, since single handing normally implies
breaking the rules about always having a lookout on deck.

What rules say you have to a "lookout on deck"?


Normally this would require a sarcastic reply, but I sense you might be

serious.

from "the Convention on the International Regulations for Preventing

Collisions
at Sea"
and, in the US, the "Inland Navigational Rules"

RULE 5
Look-out
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight
and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the

prevailing
circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm







Steve January 6th 04 05:30 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...


RULE 5
Look-out
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight
and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the

prevailing
circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision.


I'm not a single-handed by choice but frequently sail single-handed due to
the lack of crew availability.. Or, in other words, I won't forego an
opportunity to go sailing or take advantage of a weather window just because
the crew failed to materialize..

I will admit that I interpret Rule 5 liberally.. The term 'proper' is
ambiguous as is 'full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision'.

I don't fully rely on my radar Zone Guard because I have had vessels
overtake me from aft of the quarter and the zone alarm would fail to alert
me. I have never owned a C.A.R.D. but a friend had one that gave false alert
from his SSB and his own radar.

So that leaves me with my MK I eyeball and my 10 min. timer.. I generally
make short coastal passages and spend most of my time in the cockpit or at
the nav station/radar. The galley is with in arms reach of both the
companion way or the nav station. I can manage about 20-24 hours without
sleep. From there on I 'cat nap' under the dodger or in the companion way. I
don't sleep if there is traffic within 10 miles and if I'm able to see a
ship beyond that is closing.

If I need more sleep, I look for an opportunity to enter port and anchor or
head well offshore. On the Pac US coast the shipping lanes extend so far
offshore, that isn't practical unless you head beyond the shipping lanes in
the first couple days and stay well clear.

I think the only reason I'm interested in a Single-Handed flag is to show
others that I manage my 13 ton cutter from place to place by myself. Call it
"Showing Off". Some might applaud this while other will condemn it..

However, I'm not going to advertise this if I'm in an area of risk of
pirates or boardings.

--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions





Steve January 6th 04 05:30 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...


RULE 5
Look-out
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight
and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the

prevailing
circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision.


I'm not a single-handed by choice but frequently sail single-handed due to
the lack of crew availability.. Or, in other words, I won't forego an
opportunity to go sailing or take advantage of a weather window just because
the crew failed to materialize..

I will admit that I interpret Rule 5 liberally.. The term 'proper' is
ambiguous as is 'full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision'.

I don't fully rely on my radar Zone Guard because I have had vessels
overtake me from aft of the quarter and the zone alarm would fail to alert
me. I have never owned a C.A.R.D. but a friend had one that gave false alert
from his SSB and his own radar.

So that leaves me with my MK I eyeball and my 10 min. timer.. I generally
make short coastal passages and spend most of my time in the cockpit or at
the nav station/radar. The galley is with in arms reach of both the
companion way or the nav station. I can manage about 20-24 hours without
sleep. From there on I 'cat nap' under the dodger or in the companion way. I
don't sleep if there is traffic within 10 miles and if I'm able to see a
ship beyond that is closing.

If I need more sleep, I look for an opportunity to enter port and anchor or
head well offshore. On the Pac US coast the shipping lanes extend so far
offshore, that isn't practical unless you head beyond the shipping lanes in
the first couple days and stay well clear.

I think the only reason I'm interested in a Single-Handed flag is to show
others that I manage my 13 ton cutter from place to place by myself. Call it
"Showing Off". Some might applaud this while other will condemn it..

However, I'm not going to advertise this if I'm in an area of risk of
pirates or boardings.

--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions





Doug Dotson January 6th 04 07:35 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 
I will admit that I interpret Rule 5 liberally.. The term 'proper' is
ambiguous as is 'full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision'.


A good way to see what kind of teeth the law has is to look at some
of the maritime case law. I have no firsthand experience in this regard
but several of the singlehanders I have met in my travels have mentioned
that if you are single handing and have an incident resulting from an
improper watch, you will likely by found at least partially at fault. I
guess that is just one more of the risks of singlehanding.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Steve" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...


RULE 5
Look-out
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight
and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the

prevailing
circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision.


I'm not a single-handed by choice but frequently sail single-handed due to
the lack of crew availability.. Or, in other words, I won't forego an
opportunity to go sailing or take advantage of a weather window just

because
the crew failed to materialize..

I will admit that I interpret Rule 5 liberally.. The term 'proper' is
ambiguous as is 'full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision'.

I don't fully rely on my radar Zone Guard because I have had vessels
overtake me from aft of the quarter and the zone alarm would fail to alert
me. I have never owned a C.A.R.D. but a friend had one that gave false

alert
from his SSB and his own radar.

So that leaves me with my MK I eyeball and my 10 min. timer.. I generally
make short coastal passages and spend most of my time in the cockpit or at
the nav station/radar. The galley is with in arms reach of both the
companion way or the nav station. I can manage about 20-24 hours without
sleep. From there on I 'cat nap' under the dodger or in the companion way.

I
don't sleep if there is traffic within 10 miles and if I'm able to see a
ship beyond that is closing.

If I need more sleep, I look for an opportunity to enter port and anchor

or
head well offshore. On the Pac US coast the shipping lanes extend so far
offshore, that isn't practical unless you head beyond the shipping lanes

in
the first couple days and stay well clear.

I think the only reason I'm interested in a Single-Handed flag is to show
others that I manage my 13 ton cutter from place to place by myself. Call

it
"Showing Off". Some might applaud this while other will condemn it..

However, I'm not going to advertise this if I'm in an area of risk of
pirates or boardings.

--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions







Doug Dotson January 6th 04 07:35 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 
I will admit that I interpret Rule 5 liberally.. The term 'proper' is
ambiguous as is 'full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision'.


A good way to see what kind of teeth the law has is to look at some
of the maritime case law. I have no firsthand experience in this regard
but several of the singlehanders I have met in my travels have mentioned
that if you are single handing and have an incident resulting from an
improper watch, you will likely by found at least partially at fault. I
guess that is just one more of the risks of singlehanding.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Steve" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...


RULE 5
Look-out
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight
and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the

prevailing
circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision.


I'm not a single-handed by choice but frequently sail single-handed due to
the lack of crew availability.. Or, in other words, I won't forego an
opportunity to go sailing or take advantage of a weather window just

because
the crew failed to materialize..

I will admit that I interpret Rule 5 liberally.. The term 'proper' is
ambiguous as is 'full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision'.

I don't fully rely on my radar Zone Guard because I have had vessels
overtake me from aft of the quarter and the zone alarm would fail to alert
me. I have never owned a C.A.R.D. but a friend had one that gave false

alert
from his SSB and his own radar.

So that leaves me with my MK I eyeball and my 10 min. timer.. I generally
make short coastal passages and spend most of my time in the cockpit or at
the nav station/radar. The galley is with in arms reach of both the
companion way or the nav station. I can manage about 20-24 hours without
sleep. From there on I 'cat nap' under the dodger or in the companion way.

I
don't sleep if there is traffic within 10 miles and if I'm able to see a
ship beyond that is closing.

If I need more sleep, I look for an opportunity to enter port and anchor

or
head well offshore. On the Pac US coast the shipping lanes extend so far
offshore, that isn't practical unless you head beyond the shipping lanes

in
the first couple days and stay well clear.

I think the only reason I'm interested in a Single-Handed flag is to show
others that I manage my 13 ton cutter from place to place by myself. Call

it
"Showing Off". Some might applaud this while other will condemn it..

However, I'm not going to advertise this if I'm in an area of risk of
pirates or boardings.

--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions







Jeff Morris January 7th 04 12:41 AM

Single Handed Flag??
 
You will be partially at fault merely by admitting you didn't see the other
vessel in time to react. This is from a case of a close friend who was on
starboard tack and broadsided by a port tacker. Although they were on deck, the
jib blocked the view to leeward; admitting they didn't see the other boat
implied they did not keep a proper lookout. The result was a 24% liability.

The courts are pretty harsh on this point - much can be argued away by lawyers.
But if there is no one on deck, how can you claim the that you're compliant with
any of the basic rules? For instance, the "pecking order" applies "when
vessels are in sight of one another." You lose this protection when you admit
you had no lookout.

-jeff


"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
I will admit that I interpret Rule 5 liberally.. The term 'proper' is
ambiguous as is 'full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision'.


A good way to see what kind of teeth the law has is to look at some
of the maritime case law. I have no firsthand experience in this regard
but several of the singlehanders I have met in my travels have mentioned
that if you are single handing and have an incident resulting from an
improper watch, you will likely by found at least partially at fault. I
guess that is just one more of the risks of singlehanding.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Steve" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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RULE 5
Look-out
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight
and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the

prevailing
circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision.


I'm not a single-handed by choice but frequently sail single-handed due to
the lack of crew availability.. Or, in other words, I won't forego an
opportunity to go sailing or take advantage of a weather window just

because
the crew failed to materialize..

I will admit that I interpret Rule 5 liberally.. The term 'proper' is
ambiguous as is 'full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision'.

I don't fully rely on my radar Zone Guard because I have had vessels
overtake me from aft of the quarter and the zone alarm would fail to alert
me. I have never owned a C.A.R.D. but a friend had one that gave false

alert
from his SSB and his own radar.

So that leaves me with my MK I eyeball and my 10 min. timer.. I generally
make short coastal passages and spend most of my time in the cockpit or at
the nav station/radar. The galley is with in arms reach of both the
companion way or the nav station. I can manage about 20-24 hours without
sleep. From there on I 'cat nap' under the dodger or in the companion way.

I
don't sleep if there is traffic within 10 miles and if I'm able to see a
ship beyond that is closing.

If I need more sleep, I look for an opportunity to enter port and anchor

or
head well offshore. On the Pac US coast the shipping lanes extend so far
offshore, that isn't practical unless you head beyond the shipping lanes

in
the first couple days and stay well clear.

I think the only reason I'm interested in a Single-Handed flag is to show
others that I manage my 13 ton cutter from place to place by myself. Call

it
"Showing Off". Some might applaud this while other will condemn it..

However, I'm not going to advertise this if I'm in an area of risk of
pirates or boardings.

--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions









Jeff Morris January 7th 04 12:41 AM

Single Handed Flag??
 
You will be partially at fault merely by admitting you didn't see the other
vessel in time to react. This is from a case of a close friend who was on
starboard tack and broadsided by a port tacker. Although they were on deck, the
jib blocked the view to leeward; admitting they didn't see the other boat
implied they did not keep a proper lookout. The result was a 24% liability.

The courts are pretty harsh on this point - much can be argued away by lawyers.
But if there is no one on deck, how can you claim the that you're compliant with
any of the basic rules? For instance, the "pecking order" applies "when
vessels are in sight of one another." You lose this protection when you admit
you had no lookout.

-jeff


"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
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I will admit that I interpret Rule 5 liberally.. The term 'proper' is
ambiguous as is 'full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision'.


A good way to see what kind of teeth the law has is to look at some
of the maritime case law. I have no firsthand experience in this regard
but several of the singlehanders I have met in my travels have mentioned
that if you are single handing and have an incident resulting from an
improper watch, you will likely by found at least partially at fault. I
guess that is just one more of the risks of singlehanding.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Steve" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...


RULE 5
Look-out
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight
and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the

prevailing
circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision.


I'm not a single-handed by choice but frequently sail single-handed due to
the lack of crew availability.. Or, in other words, I won't forego an
opportunity to go sailing or take advantage of a weather window just

because
the crew failed to materialize..

I will admit that I interpret Rule 5 liberally.. The term 'proper' is
ambiguous as is 'full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision'.

I don't fully rely on my radar Zone Guard because I have had vessels
overtake me from aft of the quarter and the zone alarm would fail to alert
me. I have never owned a C.A.R.D. but a friend had one that gave false

alert
from his SSB and his own radar.

So that leaves me with my MK I eyeball and my 10 min. timer.. I generally
make short coastal passages and spend most of my time in the cockpit or at
the nav station/radar. The galley is with in arms reach of both the
companion way or the nav station. I can manage about 20-24 hours without
sleep. From there on I 'cat nap' under the dodger or in the companion way.

I
don't sleep if there is traffic within 10 miles and if I'm able to see a
ship beyond that is closing.

If I need more sleep, I look for an opportunity to enter port and anchor

or
head well offshore. On the Pac US coast the shipping lanes extend so far
offshore, that isn't practical unless you head beyond the shipping lanes

in
the first couple days and stay well clear.

I think the only reason I'm interested in a Single-Handed flag is to show
others that I manage my 13 ton cutter from place to place by myself. Call

it
"Showing Off". Some might applaud this while other will condemn it..

However, I'm not going to advertise this if I'm in an area of risk of
pirates or boardings.

--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions









Wim January 7th 04 01:21 AM

Single Handed Flag??
 
Hey Steve,
May be you can get one of those inflatable "plastic" ladies (mannequin) from
LAX ;-)
I'm sure she'll look "real" from a distance! May be not legal, but..... g
FWIW
--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Steve" wrote in message
...
:
: "Jeff Morris" wrote in message
: ...
:
:
: RULE 5
: Look-out
: Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight
: and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the
: prevailing
: circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of
: the situation and of the risk of collision.
:
:
: I'm not a single-handed by choice but frequently sail single-handed due to
: the lack of crew availability.. Or, in other words, I won't forego an
: opportunity to go sailing or take advantage of a weather window just
because
: the crew failed to materialize..
:
: I will admit that I interpret Rule 5 liberally.. The term 'proper' is
: ambiguous as is 'full appraisal of
: the situation and of the risk of collision'.
:
: I don't fully rely on my radar Zone Guard because I have had vessels
: overtake me from aft of the quarter and the zone alarm would fail to alert
: me. I have never owned a C.A.R.D. but a friend had one that gave false
alert
: from his SSB and his own radar.
:
: So that leaves me with my MK I eyeball and my 10 min. timer.. I generally
: make short coastal passages and spend most of my time in the cockpit or at
: the nav station/radar. The galley is with in arms reach of both the
: companion way or the nav station. I can manage about 20-24 hours without
: sleep. From there on I 'cat nap' under the dodger or in the companion way.
I
: don't sleep if there is traffic within 10 miles and if I'm able to see a
: ship beyond that is closing.
:
: If I need more sleep, I look for an opportunity to enter port and anchor
or
: head well offshore. On the Pac US coast the shipping lanes extend so far
: offshore, that isn't practical unless you head beyond the shipping lanes
in
: the first couple days and stay well clear.
:
: I think the only reason I'm interested in a Single-Handed flag is to show
: others that I manage my 13 ton cutter from place to place by myself. Call
it
: "Showing Off". Some might applaud this while other will condemn it..
:
: However, I'm not going to advertise this if I'm in an area of risk of
: pirates or boardings.
:
: --
: My opinion and experience. FWIW
:
: Steve
: s/v Good Intentions
:
:
:
:



Wim January 7th 04 01:21 AM

Single Handed Flag??
 
Hey Steve,
May be you can get one of those inflatable "plastic" ladies (mannequin) from
LAX ;-)
I'm sure she'll look "real" from a distance! May be not legal, but..... g
FWIW
--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Steve" wrote in message
...
:
: "Jeff Morris" wrote in message
: ...
:
:
: RULE 5
: Look-out
: Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight
: and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the
: prevailing
: circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of
: the situation and of the risk of collision.
:
:
: I'm not a single-handed by choice but frequently sail single-handed due to
: the lack of crew availability.. Or, in other words, I won't forego an
: opportunity to go sailing or take advantage of a weather window just
because
: the crew failed to materialize..
:
: I will admit that I interpret Rule 5 liberally.. The term 'proper' is
: ambiguous as is 'full appraisal of
: the situation and of the risk of collision'.
:
: I don't fully rely on my radar Zone Guard because I have had vessels
: overtake me from aft of the quarter and the zone alarm would fail to alert
: me. I have never owned a C.A.R.D. but a friend had one that gave false
alert
: from his SSB and his own radar.
:
: So that leaves me with my MK I eyeball and my 10 min. timer.. I generally
: make short coastal passages and spend most of my time in the cockpit or at
: the nav station/radar. The galley is with in arms reach of both the
: companion way or the nav station. I can manage about 20-24 hours without
: sleep. From there on I 'cat nap' under the dodger or in the companion way.
I
: don't sleep if there is traffic within 10 miles and if I'm able to see a
: ship beyond that is closing.
:
: If I need more sleep, I look for an opportunity to enter port and anchor
or
: head well offshore. On the Pac US coast the shipping lanes extend so far
: offshore, that isn't practical unless you head beyond the shipping lanes
in
: the first couple days and stay well clear.
:
: I think the only reason I'm interested in a Single-Handed flag is to show
: others that I manage my 13 ton cutter from place to place by myself. Call
it
: "Showing Off". Some might applaud this while other will condemn it..
:
: However, I'm not going to advertise this if I'm in an area of risk of
: pirates or boardings.
:
: --
: My opinion and experience. FWIW
:
: Steve
: s/v Good Intentions
:
:
:
:



Steve January 7th 04 05:09 AM

Single Handed Flag??
 
Was that you and your 'inflatable lady', driving in the car pool lane??

Steve
s/v Good Intentions



Steve January 7th 04 05:09 AM

Single Handed Flag??
 
Was that you and your 'inflatable lady', driving in the car pool lane??

Steve
s/v Good Intentions



Wim January 7th 04 07:07 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 
Nope!
From now on, I'll keep her in the trunk, since you recognized me ;-)
--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Steve" wrote in message
...
: Was that you and your 'inflatable lady', driving in the car pool lane??
:
: Steve
: s/v Good Intentions
:
:



Wim January 7th 04 07:07 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 
Nope!
From now on, I'll keep her in the trunk, since you recognized me ;-)
--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Steve" wrote in message
...
: Was that you and your 'inflatable lady', driving in the car pool lane??
:
: Steve
: s/v Good Intentions
:
:



Steve January 7th 04 07:44 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 

"Wim" wrote in message
...
Nope!
From now on, I'll keep her in the trunk, since you recognized me ;-)
--


Hah! I recongnized her..

Steve
s/v Good Intentions



Steve January 7th 04 07:44 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 

"Wim" wrote in message
...
Nope!
From now on, I'll keep her in the trunk, since you recognized me ;-)
--


Hah! I recongnized her..

Steve
s/v Good Intentions



Wim January 8th 04 05:06 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 
Shocks! Blush ;-)
--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Steve" wrote in message
...
:
: "Wim" wrote in message
: ...
: Nope!
: From now on, I'll keep her in the trunk, since you recognized me ;-)
: --
:
: Hah! I recongnized her..
:
: Steve
: s/v Good Intentions
:
:



Wim January 8th 04 05:06 PM

Single Handed Flag??
 
Shocks! Blush ;-)
--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Steve" wrote in message
...
:
: "Wim" wrote in message
: ...
: Nope!
: From now on, I'll keep her in the trunk, since you recognized me ;-)
: --
:
: Hah! I recongnized her..
:
: Steve
: s/v Good Intentions
:
:




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