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Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
My GPS has a nice featu anchor watch, including an alarm output (also
for other alarms) to drive a relay (0.5 A maximum). What do you connect that will wake you under all circumstances? TIA Marc -- Switzerland/Europe http://www.heusser.com remove CHEERS and from MERCIAL to get valid e-mail |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
"Marc Heusser" alid wrote
in message ... My GPS has a nice featu anchor watch, including an alarm output (also for other alarms) to drive a relay (0.5 A maximum). What do you connect that will wake you under all circumstances? TIA Marc -- Switzerland/Europe http://www.heusser.com remove CHEERS and from MERCIAL to get valid e-mail Electric cattle prod? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:41:28 +0200, Marc Heusser
alid wrote: My GPS has a nice featu anchor watch, including an alarm output (also for other alarms) to drive a relay (0.5 A maximum). What do you connect that will wake you under all circumstances? You should connect the largest high quality anchor that you and your boat can handle, sufficient chain and line for your water depth (at least 5 to 1 scope at high tide), ensure the anchor is well set by backing down hard on it with the engine, and go to sleep. If you do that faithfully you will be OK in all but the strongest wind squall, and trust me on this, that *will* wake you up. |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
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"Capt. JG" wrote: "Marc Heusser" alid wrote in message ... My GPS has a nice featu anchor watch, including an alarm output (also for other alarms) to drive a relay (0.5 A maximum). What do you connect that will wake you under all circumstances? Electric cattle prod? Do you? :-) I thought of somewhat less drastic means that still work according to experience ;-) Marc -- Switzerland/Europe http://www.heusser.com remove CHEERS and from MERCIAL to get valid e-mail |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:41:28 +0200, Marc Heusser alid wrote: My GPS has a nice featu anchor watch, including an alarm output (also for other alarms) to drive a relay (0.5 A maximum). What do you connect that will wake you under all circumstances? You should connect the largest high quality anchor that you and your boat can handle, sufficient chain and line for your water depth (at least 5 to 1 scope at high tide), ensure the anchor is well set by backing down hard on it with the engine, and go to sleep. If you do that faithfully you will be OK in all but the strongest wind squall, and trust me on this, that *will* wake you up. Yours is an inadequate solution to safe and secure anchoring. This is how it MUST be done in order to never drag anchor no matter a squall or a change in current as is the case in most tidal areas. One must use no fewer than 2 large anchors and they must be set against each other either by backing down on them or, better yet, when the conditions are favorable by diving on them and setting them by hand. You must choose the right anchor depending on what the holding ground consists of. This is yet another reason to dive on your anchors because often local conditions might not be as stated on the chart of the area. The angle between the two rodes off the bows of your boat should be at least 90 degrees but, better still up to 150 degrees with enough cantenary so neither rode becomes wrapped around keel or rudder. People who rely solely on one anchor and expect not to drag are idiots who undoubtedly attended the Skip Grundlacks school of sailing. Wilbur Hubbard |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
Yet again Wilbur you have shown that you need to take a chill
pill ;) !! Iv'e been reading rec.boats.cruising for years now, but I felt quite strongly about this comment so this is my first post. Marcs question was what should you connect the relay to in order to trigger a device to wake you up. Perhaps an electric car horn would be a good idea? You said "Yours is an inadequate solution to safe and secure anchoring. This is how it MUST be done in order to never drag anchor ...." Firstly, you can't say you will NEVER drag anchor.. that's just silly. A single anchor is not nesissarily inadequate, I have been sailing for 20 years and have never dragged anchor. We have sailed all over the UK especially the West coast of Scotland, where you have to anchor all the time. No marinas about (thank god!) We use a 70 pound CQR with All chain (10mm) rode. This is to hold a 20 ton full-length keel 43ft Ketch. If we are worried about the anchor dragging, we stay on the boat. On the cathead stowed next to the big CQR is a 45 pound CQR just incase we need a second anchor. It would be an enornous hassle having to deploy 2 anchors all the time. Infact, it it probably a bit dangerous since if you got them tangled up, you could end up in an even bigger mess than just a dragged anchor. The vast majority of the time a single anchor (all chain rode, is there any other ?? ;) ) will suffice. If you know that bad weather is on the way then it would be prudent to deploy a second anchor before the bad weather arrived. This happened to us a few years ago when we were anchored in Ardminish Bay on the island of Gigha, Scotland. There is a tough sandy bottom here. We sat out a full week of Force 9 gusting 10 in our last boat, a 32ft 5Ton sloop with a 35lb CQR and a 25lb CQR. The big anchor was deployed when all was calm. The bad weather came very quickly which meant it was too dangerous to row the secondry anchor out for a "text book" setup. Instead we motored forward as much as we could, dropped the 25lb CQR . In the end the 25lb CQR did most of the holding. We didn't drag an inch. Wilbur, you do make some valid points - like diving on your anchor if you can, However to call the majority of good sailors who deploy single anchors "idiots who undoubtedly attended the Skip Grundlacks school of sailing" - That's just plain offensive!! Fair Winds, Iain |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:28:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: People who rely solely on one anchor and expect not to drag are idiots who undoubtedly attended the Skip Grundlacks school of sailing. Idiots like the US Navy and every anchored commercial ship that I've ever seen. Go away Wilbur, you are the challenged one in this discussion. |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:28:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: People who rely solely on one anchor and expect not to drag are idiots who undoubtedly attended the Skip Grundlacks school of sailing. Idiots like the US Navy and every anchored commercial ship that I've ever seen. Go away Wilbur, you are the challenged one in this discussion. Wilbur has the best anchoring solution. He carries 10 45# CQR's on his Mouseturd boat, setting three forward, three aft, and two on each beam. This keeps his 27 foot vessel perfectly secure on Lake Okeechobee. I salute him. |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
"Marc Heusser" alid wrote
in message ... In article , "Capt. JG" wrote: "Marc Heusser" alid wrote in message ... My GPS has a nice featu anchor watch, including an alarm output (also for other alarms) to drive a relay (0.5 A maximum). What do you connect that will wake you under all circumstances? Electric cattle prod? Do you? :-) I thought of somewhat less drastic means that still work according to experience ;-) Marc -- Switzerland/Europe http://www.heusser.com remove CHEERS and from MERCIAL to get valid e-mail Heh... no, but you said all circumstances. :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:28:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: People who rely solely on one anchor and expect not to drag are idiots who undoubtedly attended the Skip Grundlacks school of sailing. Idiots like the US Navy and every anchored commercial ship that I've ever seen. Go away Wilbur, you are the challenged one in this discussion. Wilbur has the best anchoring solution. He carries 10 45# CQR's on his Mouseturd boat, setting three forward, three aft, and two on each beam. This keeps his 27 foot vessel perfectly secure on Lake Okeechobee. I salute him. Nope. He's got 11. The last one is permanently attached to the bottom of his keel. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:28:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: People who rely solely on one anchor and expect not to drag are idiots who undoubtedly attended the Skip Grundlacks school of sailing. Idiots like the US Navy and every anchored commercial ship that I've ever seen. Go away Wilbur, you are the challenged one in this discussion. Wilbur has the best anchoring solution. He carries 10 45# CQR's on his Mouseturd boat, setting three forward, three aft, and two on each beam. This keeps his 27 foot vessel perfectly secure on Lake Okeechobee. I salute him. Nope. He's got 11. The last one is permanently attached to the bottom of his keel. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Durnitall, I'm always forgetting about that last one. |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
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Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:41:28 +0200, Marc Heusser alid wrote: My GPS has a nice featu anchor watch, including an alarm output (also for other alarms) to drive a relay (0.5 A maximum). What do you connect that will wake you under all circumstances? You should connect the largest high quality anchor that you and your boat can handle, sufficient chain and line for your water depth (at least 5 to 1 scope at high tide), ensure the anchor is well set by backing down hard on it with the engine, and go to sleep. If you do that faithfully you will be OK in all but the strongest wind squall, and trust me on this, that *will* wake you up. Well thanks all - I did not expect the full lecture on how to anchor. I tend to be rather thorough on that (with the exception of diving - sorry, I can't). I did not have the intention of replacing good anchoring practice with the GPS, it is just that I tend to be very careful and use all available devices to ensure safety if I can. Marc -- Switzerland/Europe http://www.heusser.com remove CHEERS and from MERCIAL to get valid e-mail |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
Marc Heusser wrote:
In article , Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:41:28 +0200, Marc Heusser alid wrote: My GPS has a nice featu anchor watch, including an alarm output (also for other alarms) to drive a relay (0.5 A maximum). What do you connect that will wake you under all circumstances? You should connect the largest high quality anchor that you and your boat can handle, sufficient chain and line for your water depth (at least 5 to 1 scope at high tide), ensure the anchor is well set by backing down hard on it with the engine, and go to sleep. If you do that faithfully you will be OK in all but the strongest wind squall, and trust me on this, that *will* wake you up. Well thanks all - I did not expect the full lecture on how to anchor. I tend to be rather thorough on that (with the exception of diving - sorry, I can't). I did not have the intention of replacing good anchoring practice with the GPS, it is just that I tend to be very careful and use all available devices to ensure safety if I can. Marc Marc, I use Oziexplorer's excellent anchor-watch facility, and make sure the volume on my laptop is turned up full. You can also add speakers to the laptop or connect the boat's hi-fi speaker to the laptop. The laptop has more facilities than a GPS, and is therefore safer, so long as you have plenty of battery capacity.....................! Dennis. |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
You can buy a LOUD bell from Aqualarm (www.aqualarm.net) in either 12
or 24 volts -- it will wake me every time and I'd think it would wake most people in about any circumstance. Cheers, Michael Porter Marc Heusser alid wrote: My GPS has a nice featu anchor watch, including an alarm output (also for other alarms) to drive a relay (0.5 A maximum). What do you connect that will wake you under all circumstances? TIA Marc Michael Porter Marine Design mporter at mp-marine dot com www.mp-marine.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
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Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:41:28 +0200, Marc Heusser alid wrote: My GPS has a nice featu anchor watch, including an alarm output (also for other alarms) to drive a relay (0.5 A maximum). What do you connect that will wake you under all circumstances? TIA Marc Buy and learn to use a better anchoring system. Let the morning sun wake you up. Hear, hear! Exactly correct! The point of anchoring is to stay put right where you anchored. The point of anchor alarms is to notify you when you drag. The general point is you NEVER will have any use for an anchor alarm provided you use adequate anchors so you can't drag. Using one anchor, sooner or later, conditions will be such that the anchor trips out and sometimes will not re-set due to bottom conditions or even odd-ball things such as rocks and shells stuck in the flukes so they can't pivot or an old tin can stuck on the point of a plow or even abandoned anchors and chain that keep your single anchor from doing it's job. We're talking yachts here- not battleships so the ****** who made his infantile comments about Navy ships is talking apples and oranges. Go away! Now, let's get to the bottom line. Relying on a single anchor and some loud alarm to wake you up when you drag will not only bother others who know how to anchor so they don't drag by waking them up too but will actually encourage the anchor alarm user to use sloppy and inadequate anchoring techniques. What is not even considered by such selfish, rude and lazy individuals is that dragging anchor is not an individual problem. No, sir! When you drag anchor you can drag into another anchored vessel or into the path of an underway vessel with the usual result of damage to both vessels. I don't know about anybody else but this is unacceptable. Drag into my boat because you anchored inadequately I guarantee there will be hell to pay. You'll be fully awake at least for a few minutes before I knock you unconscious. When you wake back up you'll still be dragging but you'll have to deal with while nursing a broken jaw. I believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Wilbur Hubbard |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all timesif necessary
Hi Marc,
You should be able to find a piezo buzzer alarm for a couple bucks at Radio Shack. They require very low amperage (~10-20mA) so you wouldn't even need a relay. You can find them with sound output over 100 db. which will wake the dead. A quick google search yields these examples: http://www.buzzersdirect.com/Product...ProductID=2057 http://www.radioshack.com/entry.jsp?...&entry=2062404 Under $10, too! Jason Marc Heusser wrote: My GPS has a nice featu anchor watch, including an alarm output (also for other alarms) to drive a relay (0.5 A maximum). What do you connect that will wake you under all circumstances? TIA Marc |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
In article s.com,
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: What is not even considered by such selfish, rude and lazy individuals is that dragging anchor is not an individual problem. ... Drag into my boat because you anchored inadequately I guarantee there will be hell to pay. You'll be fully awake at least for a few minutes before I knock you unconscious. When you wake back up you'll still be dragging but you'll have to deal with while nursing a broken jaw. I believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Wow - Wild West at its best :-) Marc -- Switzerland/Europe http://www.heusser.com remove CHEERS and from MERCIAL to get valid e-mail |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
Hi Jason
In article , Jason wrote: You should be able to find a piezo buzzer alarm for a couple bucks at Radio Shack. They require very low amperage (~10-20mA) so you wouldn't even need a relay. You can find them with sound output over 100 db. which will wake the dead. Thanks for good advice - this seems to be the best way to go, and simple too. Marc -- Switzerland/Europe http://www.heusser.com remove CHEERS and from MERCIAL to get valid e-mail |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
"Marc Heusser" alid wrote in message ... In article s.com, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: What is not even considered by such selfish, rude and lazy individuals is that dragging anchor is not an individual problem. ... Drag into my boat because you anchored inadequately I guarantee there will be hell to pay. You'll be fully awake at least for a few minutes before I knock you unconscious. When you wake back up you'll still be dragging but you'll have to deal with while nursing a broken jaw. I believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Wow - Wild West at its best :-) Marc I believe Capt Neil delivered a few too many flyers in his postal days. It's hard to believe a guy who decorates his boat interior with mauve could be such a hard-ass. |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
"Marc Heusser" alid wrote in message ... In article s.com, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: What is not even considered by such selfish, rude and lazy individuals is that dragging anchor is not an individual problem. ... Drag into my boat because you anchored inadequately I guarantee there will be hell to pay. You'll be fully awake at least for a few minutes before I knock you unconscious. When you wake back up you'll still be dragging but you'll have to deal with while nursing a broken jaw. I believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Wow - Wild West at its best :-) Marc This is assuming, of course, that the person who drags onto Mouseturd is a girl scout. And when she wakes up she'll still kick Crap'n Kneel's butt. |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
On Aug 30, 10:21 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: Drag into my boat because you anchored inadequately I guarantee there will be hell to pay. You'll be fully awake at least for a few minutes before I knock you unconscious. When you wake back up you'll still be dragging but you'll have to deal with while nursing a broken jaw. I believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Wilbur Hubbard Spoken like a true newsgroup pussy. Capt. Bill |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all timesif necessary
That is what I use... no relay, low current... only problem... it is so
loud it scares the __ out of me and I usually hit my head on the ceiling. Marc Heusser wrote: Hi Jason In article , Jason wrote: You should be able to find a piezo buzzer alarm for a couple bucks at Radio Shack. They require very low amperage (~10-20mA) so you wouldn't even need a relay. You can find them with sound output over 100 db. which will wake the dead. Thanks for good advice - this seems to be the best way to go, and simple too. Marc |
Anchor watch by GPS - what do you use to wake you at all times if necessary
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