"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
ups.com...
[about emergency rudder/steering]
Depending on
where we were in the failure, my going under with a brace and bit (I
have a full selection aboard) with the hookah, and holing all that
lovely repair work I did on the rudder, passing a line through same,
with double stops on the immediate exteriors, with the lines led up to
winches would be another.

Skip, if you are serious about this particular solution (and it isn't a bad
one), I have read about people who pre-drilled the hole through the rudder,
then filled it with putty, or something else that would be easy to punch out
at sea. It could make a difference -- I once tried to remove a line from my
prop while at sea in moderate swells, and finally decided that the danger
wasn't worth it. We ended up sailing a couple of days until we reached land
and could tuck into a sheltered spot to do the job. I couldn't imagine
trying to drill through the rudder in similar conditions.

Whatever emergency system you have, you ought to try it in easy conditions
to make sure that all the pieces fit. Of course this isn't always
practical, but do test what you can.

- Paul
- S/V VALIS

* Vic Smith wrote, On 8/18/2007 11:20 PM:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:15:18 -0400, Rosalie B.
wrote:
(Because it isn't just driving along the highway and spotting a
vacancy sign, you need some kind of cruising guide so that you know
where the places ARE. I usually have three or four to help me make a
decision.)

I've noticed guides are essential for cruisers. Much more complicated
than driving a car down the road. We did a 23 day road trip once and
all I needed was the Rand McNally campsite guide to find every state,
local and national park campsite and KOA in the country. It was darn
accurate on amenities and prices too.

--Vic

I think I had cruised for several years before I realized that all
charts were not made by Texaco.

On Aug 18, 9:29 pm, "Paul" wrote:
"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message

ups.com...
[about emergency rudder/steering]

Depending on
where we were in the failure, my going under with a brace and bit (I
have a full selection aboard) with the hookah, and holing all that
lovely repair work I did on the rudder, passing a line through same,
with double stops on the immediate exteriors, with the lines led up to
winches would be another.

Skip, if you are serious about this particular solution (and it isn't a bad
one), - Paul
- S/V VALIS


Hello Paul:

Please do not encourage this type of behavior of a 60+ yo retired
banker who is a cardiac patient.

I did underwater work for years. My last job was an emergency stern
tube patch on the Gae Chug Ho, a 600' Korean fish processor. They
needed to repack the stuffing box. They had a small leak: only 10 mt/
hr. This was just south of the Pribilof Islands (Bering Sea) many
Novembers ago. It kicked my ass and I was a very fit 32.

Please don't encourage Skip to jump over the side and expect him to
drill a hole using both hands. Do you really expect him to wrap his
legs around the rudder while doing the equivalent of a 20 minute sit-
up (crunch) and make that happen ??!?! I don't think he has the
abdominals to pull it off.

I agree with you. The time for such rudder mods is IN THE YARD!

Bob
(Divers Institute of Technology 107/80)

"Bob" wrote in message
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On Aug 18, 9:29 pm, "Paul" wrote:
"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message

ups.com...
[about emergency rudder/steering]

Depending on
where we were in the failure, my going under with a brace and bit (I
have a full selection aboard) with the hookah, and holing all that
lovely repair work I did on the rudder, passing a line through same,
with double stops on the immediate exteriors, with the lines led up to
winches would be another.

Skip, if you are serious about this particular solution (and it isn't a
bad
one), - Paul
- S/V VALIS


Hello Paul:

Please do not encourage this type of behavior of a 60+ yo retired
banker who is a cardiac patient.

I did underwater work for years. My last job was an emergency stern
tube patch on the Gae Chug Ho, a 600' Korean fish processor. They
needed to repack the stuffing box. They had a small leak: only 10 mt/
hr. This was just south of the Pribilof Islands (Bering Sea) many
Novembers ago. It kicked my ass and I was a very fit 32.

Please don't encourage Skip to jump over the side and expect him to
drill a hole using both hands. Do you really expect him to wrap his
legs around the rudder while doing the equivalent of a 20 minute sit-
up (crunch) and make that happen ??!?! I don't think he has the
abdominals to pull it off.

I agree with you. The time for such rudder mods is IN THE YARD!

Bob
(Divers Institute of Technology 107/80)

Bob, I will let Skip make his own decisions about his ability. It sounds
like you and I are in agreement, though, and I was trying to point out the
difficulty of drilling a hole in the rudder at sea. The "putty trick" will
make the job slightly less impossible, but in reality this is something you
would only attempt in calm conditions, or in extremis.

For what it's worth, my emergency steering options a
1) An emergency tiller which drops through the cockpit sole onto the
rudderpost. I have blocks and lines ready to connect to help control the
tiller.
2) An "MRUD" emergency rudder for my Monitor windvane. I have a tiller
attachment for the windvane.

These have both been tested, admittedly not during difficult conditions.

-Paul
-S/V VALIS

Bob, I will let Skip make his own decisions about his ability.

Of course.

It sounds
like you and I are in agreement,

Absolutly..!

though, and I was trying to point out the
difficulty of drilling a hole in the rudder at sea.


Id say near impossible even for those who dive for dollars.


but in reality this is something you
would only attempt in calm conditions, or in extremis.


Again, with no fear of making an ass of my self I'll make a blanket
statment: extemis is an absolute NO time. Assuming not fun weather.


For what it's worth, my emergency steering options a

Wise, prudent, and solid judgment.

Yes, there are ample methods to make a boat go the way ya want. Those
you mentioned are great!. Ever toss a warp/drogue/tire/3'd bouy-bumper
off the side while tied to a bow cleat?


Chris

-Paul
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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:27:15 +0000, Larry wrote:

Jeannette wrote in news:EMnxi.49875$YL5.30303
:

Hello,

Flying Pig has a different kind of antenna, but this is their direct
satellite 137 Mhz Weatherfax receiver. You simply leave it running,
attached to your laptop with the weatherfax software running in
background. When the satellite transmits its current picture to the
ground, you pick it up in a wide footprint across North America. The
receiver automatically scans all the satellite channels so whatever bird
is in range of you, you'll get the pictures, which are not transmitted
continuously.

http://www.dxzone.com/cgi-bin/dir/jump2.cgi?ID=14606
Flying Pig has this antenna mounted up on its aft arch on the starboard
side of the solar array. I doubt it works any better than the turnstile
antenna from Hamtronics, which would be much easier to keep aloft than
this monster. I must admit it does make an impressive picture. I'm not
sure whether Skip's is a commercial or homebrew model.

Hope this helps. The pictures are very detailed. It's like having
access to the same pictures on the internet. Here's the picture it
produces from my favorite weather site:
http://vortex.plymouth.edu/gE_ir.gif
The Plymouth State College (NH) weather site is completely operated by
meteorology students and free for all without all the SPAM nonsense. (c;



These *******s keep calling me so I'm feeding them to the spambots.

Larry,
I have looked at these links and have spent the last few hours
wandering about the web. What I cannot find out is whether I can
receive these photos south of the equator. Seems like a great system
at a reasonable cost. Can you advise please.

cheers
Peter
N.Z. yacht Herodotus

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:02:33 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:

I have looked at these links and have spent the last few hours
wandering about the web. What I cannot find out is whether I can
receive these photos south of the equator. Seems like a great system
at a reasonable cost. Can you advise please.

That's really a two part question. I'm reasonably certain that you
could receive the pictures but I don't know if the satellites are set
up to capture southern hemisphere images.

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:40:34 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:02:33 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:

I have looked at these links and have spent the last few hours
wandering about the web. What I cannot find out is whether I can
receive these photos south of the equator. Seems like a great system
at a reasonable cost. Can you advise please.

That's really a two part question. I'm reasonably certain that you
could receive the pictures but I don't know if the satellites are set
up to capture southern hemisphere images.

Is it worth noting that CRTs need to be aligned properly, according to
the local version of the earths magnetic field?It is different
according to the latitude, especially which hemisphere you are in.
Flat screens don't care.

Casady

* Richard Casady wrote, On 8/20/2007 10:57 AM:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:40:34 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:02:33 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:

I have looked at these links and have spent the last few hours
wandering about the web. What I cannot find out is whether I can
receive these photos south of the equator. Seems like a great system
at a reasonable cost. Can you advise please.
That's really a two part question. I'm reasonably certain that you
could receive the pictures but I don't know if the satellites are set
up to capture southern hemisphere images.

Is it worth noting that CRTs need to be aligned properly, according to
the local version of the earths magnetic field?It is different
according to the latitude, especially which hemisphere you are in.
Flat screens don't care.

You just turn the tube up-side-down for the Southern hemisphere.

Really.

When I worked on an orbiting telescope we discovered that the star
trackers had insufficient magnetic shielding. I had to create an
ephemeris database for the magnetic field in orbit, and apply the
corrections to the nav solution.

I doubt there are many using CRTs for computers on boats. A bigger
issue is compass corrections.

Herodotus wrote in
:

Larry,
I have looked at these links and have spent the last few hours
wandering about the web. What I cannot find out is whether I can
receive these photos south of the equator. Seems like a great system
at a reasonable cost. Can you advise please.

cheers
Peter
N.Z. yacht Herodotus


Peter, the Satellite Services Division of NOAA, our weather bureaucrats,
is on :
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/
with full access to all weather products that come down from the birds.

The birds do an extensive tropical zone picture set every few hours that
come down on 137 Mhz. They also take a "full disk" picture of the whole
hemisphere you may find useful. However, their sector scans appear to be
limited to the northern edge of South America up to Canada...the
Caribbean and USA. If there is some particular weather of interest to
the US Military or commercial interests, they make special arrangements
to photograph it in IR/Visible/Water Vapor if it's over the bird's
horizon, including South America.

Of course, Geostationary Equatorial satellites, even so high up, cannot
see the very high latitudes in either direction. The website also
contains MITSAT pictures from the Antarctic, south of NZ to Siberia.
These satellites are over your horizon for direct contact, making it
impossible.

Full disk images from Meteosat:
http://www.goes.noaa.gov/FULLDISK/GMIR.JPG
are also from this website, which covers the whole South Atlantic in its
full disk pictures. I'm not sure what frequency Meteosat operates on for
direct download of its pictures. Search Google for Meteosat schedules
and you should be able to find them with the transmission times. South
America is on the western edge of Meteosat's view from over Africa. This
bird's pictures are fantastic as they show the spawning grounds of the
hurricanes headed for me.

A massive gallery of GOES pictures from the two 137 Mhz birds is stored,
forever I think, on:
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/misc...ng_images.html
which will show you what kind of pictures it takes, including the
Southern region.
Here's a tropical cyclone off the Brazilian Coast:
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/misc/040326/040326.html
Those pictures would be available on the 137 Mhz receiver from
Hamtronics. However, I do not see a "regular schedule" of South Atlantic
pictures, probably as it would require too much precious fuel to spin the
bird around all the while to take them.

Larry
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