On Aug 14, 7:51 am, wrote:
On Aug 13, 10:09 pm, " wrote:

...If one of the
dockflys trys to stagger over and insist's on helping show him where
to put the line and thank him. ...

Amen! I understand Roger's angst but IMO, this is the best that can
be done.

-- Tom.

I would think that Roger had the best outcome possible, the BFF will
not bother him again.

The best outcome would be to approch the BFF after the event and
explain to him that you thank him for his efforts..... but if in the
future you see us on a day like this we would rather do it alone
because.....ect...ect.



Why do you guys think that a captain of a vessel should allow
strangers to interfere with the operation of that vessel ?

Sometimes you do not have the option..That part of being a good
captain..expecting hassles and dealing with them before they become an
issue. And the better captain will loose no respect from anyone if he
does it in the proper way.

Especially a stranger so dense that it took 3 times for him to get the
hint.

Maybe he was a retard...perhaps he made a mistake, and as I said
thought the gel-coat might be damaged. If you become a true master at
handeling your boat, many lubbers will mistake your speed and actions
and want to correct what you know will correct itself. The classic
Capt. Ron landing where you approch the dock at around 30 degrees and
back hard to use wheel walk to float in and stop perfectly is seen as
Captn Ronish (risky) but it's the basic 101 boat handling that most
lubbers will never understand..They might think you are going to hit
the dock and insist on lending a hand.

You get treated in life the way you teach people to treat you.

Joe



Todd Smith

On Aug 14, 10:03 am, Joe wrote:
On Aug 14, 7:51 am, wrote:

On Aug 13, 10:09 pm, " wrote:

...If one of the
dockflys trys to stagger over and insist's on helping show him where
to put the line and thank him. ...

Amen! I understand Roger's angst but IMO, this is the best that can
be done.

-- Tom.

I would think that Roger had the best outcome possible, the BFF will
not bother him again.

The best outcome would be to approch the BFF after the event and
explain to him that you thank him for his efforts..... but if in the
future you see us on a day like this we would rather do it alone
because.....ect...ect.


That would have been the best approach if the BFF had taken the 1st or
maybe 2nd hint and not stormed off.


Why do you guys think that a captain of a vessel should allow
strangers to interfere with the operation of that vessel ?

Sometimes you do not have the option..That part of being a good
captain..expecting hassles and dealing with them before they become an
issue. And the better captain will loose no respect from anyone if he
does it in the proper way.

And sometimes dealing with hassles means ****ing people off.

The only way I see heading off this issue would be for Roger to
instruct his sons to leap on to the dock are clear the area with
belaying pins :-) That's a JOKE ! But for my instruction, how would
you head off this situation ?

Especially a stranger so dense that it took 3 times for him to get the
hint.

Maybe he was a retard...perhaps he made a mistake, and as I said
thought the gel-coat might be damaged. If you become a true master at
handeling your boat, many lubbers will mistake your speed and actions
and want to correct what you know will correct itself. The classic
Capt. Ron landing where you approch the dock at around 30 degrees and
back hard to use wheel walk to float in and stop perfectly is seen as
Captn Ronish (risky) but it's the basic 101 boat handling that most
lubbers will never understand..They might think you are going to hit
the dock and insist on lending a hand.

You get treated in life the way you teach people to treat you.

I think that the important lesson for the BFF, is that he does not get
to insist.

Todd

On Aug 14, 9:29 am, wrote:


The only way I see heading off this issue would be for Roger to
instruct his sons to leap on to the dock are clear the area with
belaying pins :-)

I already suggested a well made monkey's fist.

That's a JOKE ! But for my instruction, how would
you head off this situation ?

If in a slip I'd yell to the BFF ..Hey buddie, run around to the
other side please...then ignore him till you tossed the last line to
him. Or a dock I'd yell to the person on the bow to tell him to put it
on the proper cleat...No big deal...if he started pushing on my weak
lifeline stancions i'd yell " Hey do not push on my weak lifeline
stancions" " Thank You". If I had water or beer soda ect.. I'd offer
him one and then explain to him that I prefer no assistance in future
and explain why.

Now if I felt he may be injured or a crew member may be injured then
I'd be stern enough in telling him to keep the f*%k out of the way
that he would have no doubts.


Especially a stranger so dense that it took 3 times for him to get the
hint.

Maybe he was a retard...perhaps he made a mistake, and as I said
thought the gel-coat might be damaged. If you become a true master at
handeling your boat, many lubbers will mistake your speed and actions
and want to correct what you know will correct itself. The classic
Capt. Ron landing where you approch the dock at around 30 degrees and
back hard to use wheel walk to float in and stop perfectly is seen as
Captn Ronish (risky) but it's the basic 101 boat handling that most
lubbers will never understand..They might think you are going to hit
the dock and insist on lending a hand.

You get treated in life the way you teach people to treat you.

I think that the important lesson for the BFF, is that he does not get
to insist.

I agree 100%.....but that's not the way things work most days, so you
just have to go with the flow. And when you a dealing with help
docking it can be a blessing when the BFF is there to help in truly
adverse conditions...why burn bridges?

Joe

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"Joe" wrote

If in a slip I'd yell to the BFF ..Hey buddie, run around to the
other side please...then ignore him till you tossed the last line to
him.

Hey Joe, that's a terrific suggestion. See, if you keep batting these
things around you'll eventually come up some really excellent ideas and
advice.

Thanks,

--
Roger Long