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Things that go wrong - First 21 Days on the ICW
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:42:18 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:17:17 GMT, Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-08-09 14:38:16 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" said: And it makes you feel better knowing your chronic screw-ups are also experienced by others who are just as inept as you are? Have you ever considered that side-stepping one predicament may end you up in another predicament that's even more dire? When sailing you don't react; you do things proactively if you want to be safe and if you want to sail problem free. You have a plan based on the consensus of the right way to do things and you take advantage of the successful experiences written about by others. Stop dwelling on failures and screw-ups. Consider your very own situation and do what it takes to avoid any and all screw-ups. It's a matter of reading the right way to do things. There are thousands of books published that will tell how to do things right. Only a moron would rather read about how to do things wrong. The Beasley's and those idiots on Flying Pig are accidents waiting to happen because of their lackadaisical attitudes. Sorry Wilbur, but some of us can learn from hearing of others' experiences. Because of stories related here, I have added drills for when the "stuff" hits the fan. Because of those drills, the few times that "stuff" happened in the last decade or two, it wound up being a non-event as we had a number of alternatives and could choose the most appropriate with full confidence that we could pull it off, as we'd done it already in less-stressful times. A month or two ago, our rudder broke free. Yeah, it was my screwup for not dismounting the pintle and examining the base of the weld, invisible to my regular inspection of our transom-hung rudder. but when we found ourself with no rudder, the obvious first action was to anchor. Because of our previously-decided choice of ground tackle, we knew that once the anchor was deployed, we weren't going anywhere, which gave us all the time in the world. When I then unshipped the rudder to discover our problem, I already had three alternative next steps, one of which included scavaging interior fittings to create an emergency rudder. Pretty much all of that came about because I'd listened to others' travails on this list and thought of solutions that would work for our particular boat. What's the quote? "Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it", or something like that? I'd rather learn from others' history, not my own. To quote Hubby: here are thousands of books published that will tell how to do things right. Only a moron would rather read about how to do things wrong What Hubby (apparently) isn't bright enough to realize is that everyone of these books he reads about "doing things right" came about because somebody did something wrong, got out of trouble and then wrote a book about how to do it right. There's even a couple good books on how to live aboard for years at a time tied up to a dock. Perhaps you should write one of your own?? You're as qualified as anybody, it seems. Wilbur Hubbard I really don't understand this fetish that you seem to have about marinas. Whether one keeps their boat attached to an anchor or attached to a jetty is no indication, whatsoever, of how much they actually use the boat. There are three charter boats that moor in the same marina I am in. They are out 10 hours a day, 365 days a year, probably the most successful charter business in Phuket. Are you claiming that because these boats moor in a marina instead of anchoring out they are somehow less worthy in some way then you, who seem to spend most of your time on the internet. If you ever saw one of these single screw boats approach the dock with a full load, make a 180 degree turn in a restricted area and stop dead alongside so a crew member can step off to tie up you wouldn't talk about seamanship. And these guys do it every day. All of the fishing fleet in Phuket, and every other port I have visited in S.E. Asia moor to jetties and by the way, the "fishing dock" in Chai Am will hold 50 boats. A marina in all but name. The only time I have seen a fishing boat anchored is out in the middle of the ocean to get a bit of rest while they are waiting for the nets to fill. Is it your claim that these working boats are somehow not worthy? I'm afraid that your claim would be met by gales of laughter if you were to advise them that they weren't sailors simply because they tie up to a jetty. I know live-a-boards who have been anchored just north of the marina I moor in. They have been there for four years now. There was a girl who stayed for 10 years (had to leave in the dark as her papers were so out of date). Are these sailors because they anchor out? If that is your definition, what about the working folks that are out everyday working and tie up alongside a jetty? In fact Hubby, the only people I know who anchor out are people that can't afford to tie up in a marina. Perhaps that is your problem, you can't afford a marina and are jealous of those who can, which makes you pretty poor in local terms as my marina fees are less then the cost of renting a room here in Phuket. In short, Hubby, you don't know what you are talking about. By the way Hubby, talking about not knowing what you are talking about, you have mentioned several times in your posts about your Swan 68 -- I suppose that this is the one you have the 9.9 HP, 4 stroke, outboard mounted on. Now, I'm going to say right now that either(1) you don't own a Swan 68, or (2)you're dumb as a rock to be bolting a 9.9 HP outboard on the stern of a Swan 68 for auxiliary power. A search of high end brokers indicates that a used Swan 68 is just a bit short of a $2,000,000 boat and frankly I doubt that you own one so in addition to your rather strange fetish, about anchoring somehow turning one into a "real sailor", I believe that you are either lying about your Swan or suffer from delusions severe enough that you should be receiving treatment for the problem. If you really do believe that you own a Swan then the next step is probably claiming to be the reincarnation of Joshua Slocum or Tristan Jones, or Captain Ahab. Hubby, get treatment before the boys with the white coats come for you. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) |
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August 3 - Sailing in Steerage
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:56:30 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: I suppose for sailboat cruisers the real shakedown elements are rigging, sails and drive train related. Those are important obviously but for extended cruising like S & L aspire to, it is everything that makes the boat livable. It's a long list on our boat but I can usually tell on a 2 or 3 day cruise if all systems are go. On the other hand I've been cruising the boat for 3 years now, have learned what to look for, and have already replaced the weak links. |
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August 3 - Sailing in Steerage
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:46:55 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:56:30 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: I suppose for sailboat cruisers the real shakedown elements are rigging, sails and drive train related. Those are important obviously but for extended cruising like S & L aspire to, it is everything that makes the boat livable. It's a long list on our boat but I can usually tell on a 2 or 3 day cruise if all systems are go. On the other hand I've been cruising the boat for 3 years now, have learned what to look for, and have already replaced the weak links. Heh heh. I'll keep that in mind. The great thing about this group and other such forums is even a novice can spot weak links as they are reported by those who experience them. Which is a real time/money saver when equipping. I hope to add my experience as soon as possible. --Vic |
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