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Things that go wrong - First 21 Days on the ICW
Your similar attitude tells me you're no sailor.
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Things that go wrong - First 21 Days on the ICW
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:38:16 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:27:36 -0400, Gogarty Second that. I always appreciate somebody pointing out the ways things go wrong. That's gives us more chance to sidestep the same predicaments. Thanks, Rosalie. --Vic And it makes you feel better knowing your chronic screw-ups are also experienced by others who are just as inept as you are? Have you ever considered that side-stepping one predicament may end you up in another predicament that's even more dire? When sailing you don't react; you do things proactively if you want to be safe and if you want to sail problem free. You have a plan based on the consensus of the right way to do things and you take advantage of the successful experiences written about by others. The only way to get the consensus on how to do it right is to find the consensus of what goes wrong. Knowing about that throttle cable breaking on Rosalie's boat might help somebody avoid having that happen at a critical time. I know that I'll pay more attention to throttle cables - and possible backups - than I otherwise might have. That's proactive. Knowing the sailor's consensus of common mishaps helps others who read of them avoid those mishaps. As much as you tout your avoidance of such mishaps, it can only be because you have learned from others, or suffered them yourself. Or you're just plain lucky, or you never sail. Take your pick. It's not rocket science. Stop dwelling on failures and screw-ups. Consider your very own situation and do what it takes to avoid any and all screw-ups. It's a matter of reading the right way to do things. There are thousands of books published that will tell how to do things right. Only a moron would rather read about how to do things wrong. The Beasley's and those idiots on Flying Pig are accidents waiting to happen because of their lackadaisical attitudes. Your similar attitude tells me you're no sailor. Probably a girly-man as well as all the others who like to read tales of woe and pat themselves on the back thinking, "I'm a screw-up myself but not nearly as bad as those idiots. They make me feel good about myself." Sad. Don't be silly. I learn from those with experience in order to avoid their mistakes, or be prepared for common gear break downs. If I make a mistake or suffer a gear break down, I'll be happy to share it with others. Just part of being an adult. On a different note, some of the everyday hassles cruisers encounter are useful info. Shrimpers, powerboaters, no mooring space, other boats drifting into you at anchor, etc, etc, might give potential cruisers food for thought. --Vic |
Things that go wrong - First 21 Days on the ICW
Allow me to show you by comments within your text a different attitude -
a professional attitude. Read on . . . "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:38:16 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:27:36 -0400, Gogarty Second that. I always appreciate somebody pointing out the ways things go wrong. That's gives us more chance to sidestep the same predicaments. Thanks, Rosalie. --Vic And it makes you feel better knowing your chronic screw-ups are also experienced by others who are just as inept as you are? Have you ever considered that side-stepping one predicament may end you up in another predicament that's even more dire? When sailing you don't react; you do things proactively if you want to be safe and if you want to sail problem free. You have a plan based on the consensus of the right way to do things and you take advantage of the successful experiences written about by others. The only way to get the consensus on how to do it right is to find the consensus of what goes wrong. No, that's incorrect. There might be a thousand ways to screw something up but only ONE way to do it right. A professional attitude is to learn the one right way to do something and ignore all the wrong ways. Make sense? Knowing about that throttle cable breaking on Rosalie's boat might help somebody avoid having that happen at a critical time. Wrong again. A professional attitude is an awareness of the fact that, sooner or later, EVERYTHING breaks especially moving parts. With that in mind, a professional will have a regular inspection, maintenance and replacement schedule. If the Beasley's throttle cable broke it's because they FAILED to do proper inspections, maintenance and replacement. It's that simple. Since you already know everything will break what's the real use of reading from some klutz that their whatever broke? Make sense? I know that I'll pay more attention to throttle cables - and possible backups - than I otherwise might have. But, you'll do it while ignoring other things about which you haven't heard a breakage tale of woe. See the trap you've set for yourself. Your logic says, "If it broke for the Beasley's then it might break for me so I'd better keep an eye on it." Illogical. Keep in mind that EVERYTHING breaks and act accordingly. Make sense? That's proactive. Nope, it's not proactive. It's reactive. You're reacting to the consequences of some idiot's mistakes. If you are proactive you take action beforehand so you don't suffer such failures on your boat. You institute a regular inspection, maintenance and replacement schedule. You don't wait until things break and then react. Make sense? Knowing the sailor's consensus of common mishaps helps others who read of them avoid those mishaps. No it doesn't. It makes you complacent. It makes you think only certain things have to be inspected, maintained and replaced. It makes you sloppy. Same goes with navigation and running aground. It does you no good to hear about some fool going aground. It only makes going aground more acceptable when going aground is not part of navigation, rather going aground is part of sloppy navigation. It's a mistake. A screw-up. Avoidable with professional seamanship. As much as you tout your avoidance of such mishaps, it can only be because you have learned from others, or suffered them yourself. Or you're just plain lucky, or you never sail. Take your pick. It's not rocket science. Sure there's some luck involved with everything. But it's only a small part. Taking action before any problem occurs is the key. Knowing EVERYTHING ON YOUR BOAT needs to be looked at regularly, maintained regularly and replaced regularly and doing it is what avoids mishaps with mechanicals, systems and structures. Make sense? I'm not perfect when it comes to maintaining my boat but I'm a lot closer to it than most people who have the nerve to call themselves sailors these days. I know EVERYTHING breaks, I know how to inspect, maintain and replace everything. I do it. I also have contingency plans, spares, tools, alternate methods. You know "if - then." I have it already scoped out. Then I do it all over again. When I have three layers of protection I figure I've got it covered. When you're sailing along uneventfully, perhaps a little bored, try playing this game. The "what if" game. Ask yourself what you'd do if the forestay suddenly carried away and make a firm mental plan of how to handle it. Ask yourself what if you suddenly saw water covering the sole. What is your plan to find the source and plug it up? Where are the supplies to do so? Ask yourself what if your rudder stopped working. What is your plan to understand exactly why in about half a minute. It goes on and on. In other words - prepare, prepare, prepare. Know what to do, how to act in any eventuality. I bet you don't come close to doing that. When you learn how, you're close to being a real sailor. Now consider the screw-ups bragged about by Skip Grundick and Mrs. Beasley. Neither one has a clue. They blunder, they react. They hit and miss. They have no plan to eliminate such idiocy in the future because they think that's the way everybody does it. The point I'm making is that's NOT the way everybody does it. That's the way foolish, ignorant, stupid, inexperienced people do it. I don't wished to be lumped in with fools, thus my vehement objections to this unprofessional behavior and those who advocate it. Don't be silly. I learn from those with experience in order to avoid their mistakes, or be prepared for common gear break downs. Bunk! Your mistakes are your own. All your own. Wilbur Hubbard |
August 3 - Sailing in Steerage
On Aug 7, 12:41 pm, Bob wrote:
in a situation like this, do not hesitate to call the USCG. they will respond immediately...being in a shipping lane, or in danger of going aground with a steering casualty is a distress situation. just practice good risk assessment and call for help when you need it.- Hide quoted text - Good idea, but then Skip, Lydia, et al. would no doubt be subject to boarding and inspection.................. I wonder how that would end? Been Boarded Bob :{)) I believe we'd be fine. However, as seen in the original (holy cow, has this thing grown legs!), we made it a point not to be a nuisance to anyone other than ourselves, and to address our problems before setting out again. I'm typing this from in front of Beaufort NC where we've checked in to address a windlass issue and do some touring before heading north inside. I'll put up the next couple of reports on separate headings in order to keep things a bit simpler... L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog and/or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah) |
Things that go wrong - First 21 Days on the ICW
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:22:42 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: Allow me to show you by comments within your text a different attitude - a professional attitude. Read on . . . "Vic Smith" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:38:16 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:27:36 -0400, Gogarty Second that. I always appreciate somebody pointing out the ways things go wrong. That's gives us more chance to sidestep the same predicaments. Thanks, Rosalie. --Vic And it makes you feel better knowing your chronic screw-ups are also experienced by others who are just as inept as you are? Have you ever considered that side-stepping one predicament may end you up in another predicament that's even more dire? When sailing you don't react; you do things proactively if you want to be safe and if you want to sail problem free. You have a plan based on the consensus of the right way to do things and you take advantage of the successful experiences written about by others. The only way to get the consensus on how to do it right is to find the consensus of what goes wrong. No, that's incorrect. There might be a thousand ways to screw something up but only ONE way to do it right. A professional attitude is to learn the one right way to do something and ignore all the wrong ways. Make sense? Knowing about that throttle cable breaking on Rosalie's boat might help somebody avoid having that happen at a critical time. Wrong again. A professional attitude is an awareness of the fact that, sooner or later, EVERYTHING breaks especially moving parts. With that in mind, a professional will have a regular inspection, maintenance and replacement schedule. If the Beasley's throttle cable broke it's because they FAILED to do proper inspections, maintenance and replacement. It's that simple. Since you already know everything will break what's the real use of reading from some klutz that their whatever broke? Make sense? I know that I'll pay more attention to throttle cables - and possible backups - than I otherwise might have. But, you'll do it while ignoring other things about which you haven't heard a breakage tale of woe. See the trap you've set for yourself. Your logic says, "If it broke for the Beasley's then it might break for me so I'd better keep an eye on it." Illogical. Keep in mind that EVERYTHING breaks and act accordingly. Make sense? That's proactive. Nope, it's not proactive. It's reactive. You're reacting to the consequences of some idiot's mistakes. If you are proactive you take action beforehand so you don't suffer such failures on your boat. You institute a regular inspection, maintenance and replacement schedule. You don't wait until things break and then react. Make sense? Knowing the sailor's consensus of common mishaps helps others who read of them avoid those mishaps. No it doesn't. It makes you complacent. It makes you think only certain things have to be inspected, maintained and replaced. It makes you sloppy. Same goes with navigation and running aground. It does you no good to hear about some fool going aground. It only makes going aground more acceptable when going aground is not part of navigation, rather going aground is part of sloppy navigation. It's a mistake. A screw-up. Avoidable with professional seamanship. As much as you tout your avoidance of such mishaps, it can only be because you have learned from others, or suffered them yourself. Or you're just plain lucky, or you never sail. Take your pick. It's not rocket science. Sure there's some luck involved with everything. But it's only a small part. Taking action before any problem occurs is the key. Knowing EVERYTHING ON YOUR BOAT needs to be looked at regularly, maintained regularly and replaced regularly and doing it is what avoids mishaps with mechanicals, systems and structures. Make sense? I'm not perfect when it comes to maintaining my boat but I'm a lot closer to it than most people who have the nerve to call themselves sailors these days. I know EVERYTHING breaks, I know how to inspect, maintain and replace everything. I do it. I also have contingency plans, spares, tools, alternate methods. You know "if - then." I have it already scoped out. Then I do it all over again. When I have three layers of protection I figure I've got it covered. When you're sailing along uneventfully, perhaps a little bored, try playing this game. The "what if" game. Ask yourself what you'd do if the forestay suddenly carried away and make a firm mental plan of how to handle it. Ask yourself what if you suddenly saw water covering the sole. What is your plan to find the source and plug it up? Where are the supplies to do so? Ask yourself what if your rudder stopped working. What is your plan to understand exactly why in about half a minute. It goes on and on. In other words - prepare, prepare, prepare. Know what to do, how to act in any eventuality. I bet you don't come close to doing that. When you learn how, you're close to being a real sailor. Now consider the screw-ups bragged about by Skip Grundick and Mrs. Beasley. Neither one has a clue. They blunder, they react. They hit and miss. They have no plan to eliminate such idiocy in the future because they think that's the way everybody does it. The point I'm making is that's NOT the way everybody does it. That's the way foolish, ignorant, stupid, inexperienced people do it. I don't wished to be lumped in with fools, thus my vehement objections to this unprofessional behavior and those who advocate it. Don't be silly. I learn from those with experience in order to avoid their mistakes, or be prepared for common gear break downs. Bunk! Your mistakes are your own. All your own. Sure, and I hate making mistakes. I agree with what you've said about preparation, but that's part of my nature. When I was a boilerman in the Navy I'd spend my watches going over casualty control procedures in my head while others were gabbing or daydreaming. In the 3 instances when a failure occurred I was a ball of fire turning valves, pushing switches and cutting out burners while everybody else - including those much senior to me - stood around with their jaws hanging open until I yelled at them to perform a task. The casualties were successfully resolved. I *do* believe that everything breaks, but that was part of my training, and my nature. But many people don't have that training and experience, and many don't have the nature to ever really pay close attention to never making a mistake and always having a backup plan. That's just how it is. We're dealing with human beings here. The average cruiser never had to deal with life-threatening casualties before they started cruising, so any accounts of cruiser experience of what goes wrong is a boon to them. Some will take the "things that go wrong" accounts to heart and it may get them thinking and save some lives or avoid some pain. For others - like me probably - it's a reminder to stay on their toes, and also provides info on gear selection. Anyway, it's all good. --Vic |
Things that go wrong - First 21 Days on the ICW
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:46bb7756
: Now consider the screw-ups bragged about by Skip Grundick and Mrs. Beasley. Neither one has a clue. They blunder, they react. They hit and miss. They have no plan to eliminate such idiocy in the future because they think that's the way everybody does it. Willie, whatever you do don't let anyone offering to help your sorry, marooned ass out there on the water know who you are. If it were anyone from here, I'd bet they'd simply drive away calling on VHF to warn the others headed to help not to bother, you being such an asshole as you are...... People like you are the reason most boaters are hesitant to help anyone they don't know...... These *******s keep calling me so I'm feeding them to the spambots. -- Sunrise Communications 1374 E. Republic Rd. Springfield, MO 65804 866-483-1228 417-886-7091 http://www.sunrisecommunicationsinc.com/ 877-842-3210 866-842-3278 United Healthcare http://www.unitedhealthcareonline.com/ |
Things that go wrong - First 21 Days on the ICW
On 2007-08-09 14:38:16 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said: And it makes you feel better knowing your chronic screw-ups are also experienced by others who are just as inept as you are? Have you ever considered that side-stepping one predicament may end you up in another predicament that's even more dire? When sailing you don't react; you do things proactively if you want to be safe and if you want to sail problem free. You have a plan based on the consensus of the right way to do things and you take advantage of the successful experiences written about by others. Stop dwelling on failures and screw-ups. Consider your very own situation and do what it takes to avoid any and all screw-ups. It's a matter of reading the right way to do things. There are thousands of books published that will tell how to do things right. Only a moron would rather read about how to do things wrong. The Beasley's and those idiots on Flying Pig are accidents waiting to happen because of their lackadaisical attitudes. Sorry Wilbur, but some of us can learn from hearing of others' experiences. Because of stories related here, I have added drills for when the "stuff" hits the fan. Because of those drills, the few times that "stuff" happened in the last decade or two, it wound up being a non-event as we had a number of alternatives and could choose the most appropriate with full confidence that we could pull it off, as we'd done it already in less-stressful times. A month or two ago, our rudder broke free. Yeah, it was my screwup for not dismounting the pintle and examining the base of the weld, invisible to my regular inspection of our transom-hung rudder. but when we found ourself with no rudder, the obvious first action was to anchor. Because of our previously-decided choice of ground tackle, we knew that once the anchor was deployed, we weren't going anywhere, which gave us all the time in the world. When I then unshipped the rudder to discover our problem, I already had three alternative next steps, one of which included scavaging interior fittings to create an emergency rudder. Pretty much all of that came about because I'd listened to others' travails on this list and thought of solutions that would work for our particular boat. What's the quote? "Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it", or something like that? I'd rather learn from others' history, not my own. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's new pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI pages: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Things that go wrong - First 21 Days on the ICW
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:17:17 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-08-09 14:38:16 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" said: And it makes you feel better knowing your chronic screw-ups are also experienced by others who are just as inept as you are? Have you ever considered that side-stepping one predicament may end you up in another predicament that's even more dire? When sailing you don't react; you do things proactively if you want to be safe and if you want to sail problem free. You have a plan based on the consensus of the right way to do things and you take advantage of the successful experiences written about by others. Stop dwelling on failures and screw-ups. Consider your very own situation and do what it takes to avoid any and all screw-ups. It's a matter of reading the right way to do things. There are thousands of books published that will tell how to do things right. Only a moron would rather read about how to do things wrong. The Beasley's and those idiots on Flying Pig are accidents waiting to happen because of their lackadaisical attitudes. Sorry Wilbur, but some of us can learn from hearing of others' experiences. Because of stories related here, I have added drills for when the "stuff" hits the fan. Because of those drills, the few times that "stuff" happened in the last decade or two, it wound up being a non-event as we had a number of alternatives and could choose the most appropriate with full confidence that we could pull it off, as we'd done it already in less-stressful times. A month or two ago, our rudder broke free. Yeah, it was my screwup for not dismounting the pintle and examining the base of the weld, invisible to my regular inspection of our transom-hung rudder. but when we found ourself with no rudder, the obvious first action was to anchor. Because of our previously-decided choice of ground tackle, we knew that once the anchor was deployed, we weren't going anywhere, which gave us all the time in the world. When I then unshipped the rudder to discover our problem, I already had three alternative next steps, one of which included scavaging interior fittings to create an emergency rudder. Pretty much all of that came about because I'd listened to others' travails on this list and thought of solutions that would work for our particular boat. What's the quote? "Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it", or something like that? I'd rather learn from others' history, not my own. To quote Hubby: here are thousands of books published that will tell how to do things right. Only a moron would rather read about how to do things wrong What Hubby (apparently) isn't bright enough to realize is that everyone of these books he reads about "doing things right" came about because somebody did something wrong, got out of trouble and then wrote a book about how to do it right. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) |
Things that go wrong - First 21 Days on the ICW
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Things that go wrong - First 21 Days on the ICW
wrote in message ... On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:17:17 GMT, Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-08-09 14:38:16 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" said: And it makes you feel better knowing your chronic screw-ups are also experienced by others who are just as inept as you are? Have you ever considered that side-stepping one predicament may end you up in another predicament that's even more dire? When sailing you don't react; you do things proactively if you want to be safe and if you want to sail problem free. You have a plan based on the consensus of the right way to do things and you take advantage of the successful experiences written about by others. Stop dwelling on failures and screw-ups. Consider your very own situation and do what it takes to avoid any and all screw-ups. It's a matter of reading the right way to do things. There are thousands of books published that will tell how to do things right. Only a moron would rather read about how to do things wrong. The Beasley's and those idiots on Flying Pig are accidents waiting to happen because of their lackadaisical attitudes. Sorry Wilbur, but some of us can learn from hearing of others' experiences. Because of stories related here, I have added drills for when the "stuff" hits the fan. Because of those drills, the few times that "stuff" happened in the last decade or two, it wound up being a non-event as we had a number of alternatives and could choose the most appropriate with full confidence that we could pull it off, as we'd done it already in less-stressful times. A month or two ago, our rudder broke free. Yeah, it was my screwup for not dismounting the pintle and examining the base of the weld, invisible to my regular inspection of our transom-hung rudder. but when we found ourself with no rudder, the obvious first action was to anchor. Because of our previously-decided choice of ground tackle, we knew that once the anchor was deployed, we weren't going anywhere, which gave us all the time in the world. When I then unshipped the rudder to discover our problem, I already had three alternative next steps, one of which included scavaging interior fittings to create an emergency rudder. Pretty much all of that came about because I'd listened to others' travails on this list and thought of solutions that would work for our particular boat. What's the quote? "Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it", or something like that? I'd rather learn from others' history, not my own. To quote Hubby: here are thousands of books published that will tell how to do things right. Only a moron would rather read about how to do things wrong What Hubby (apparently) isn't bright enough to realize is that everyone of these books he reads about "doing things right" came about because somebody did something wrong, got out of trouble and then wrote a book about how to do it right. There's even a couple good books on how to live aboard for years at a time tied up to a dock. Perhaps you should write one of your own?? You're as qualified as anybody, it seems. Wilbur Hubbard |
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