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August 3 - Sailing in Steerage
On Aug 5, 9:03 pm, Rosalie B. wrote:
Geoff Schultz wrote: But in this case, we'd been in Marathon all winter and hadn't seen anything about this particular problem As in East jefferson HWY ????? you talkn gater tail and craaw fish bra? Good u not down way n ... Sulphur... Venice..... or Fouchion.... Marathon is good place. I come see yall bra. bob |
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August 3 - Sailing in Steerage
Rosalie B. wrote in
: Geoff Schultz wrote: Didn't Skipper Bob die? Most of the information I see now comes from Claiborne Young Simply get a book like Skipper Bob's Anchorages and read where the shoaling is. You can get updates on-line. I annotate the book with the updates and create warning symbols on the GPS course which warn me when I'm heading into a area known to have problems. Following this procedure I didn't have any issues this year, but I knew many people who did and they were just following the R/Gs and didn't realize where the shoaling was. -- Geoff I have all the charts with notations (like the new buoys north of the Alligator River bridge and the channel that is closed in Beaufort NC.) But in this case, we'd been in Marathon all winter and hadn't seen anything about this particular problem although the TBUS guy said that a lot of people had run aground there. Here's the Skipper Bob update on the Masonboro Inlet: ICW, Mile 280.4, Mason Inlet CAUTION – The channel has shoaled to 3.8' MLW on the green side near G121 at the Mason Inlet. Stay on the red side between R122 and G123. Use waypoint N34º 14.95 and W77º 46.98 as the deep water point on the red side opposite the shoaling on the green side near G121. Based on USACOE Report dated November 8, 2005. (July 16, 2006) -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org |
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August 3 - Sailing in Steerage
Rosalie B. wrote in
news What got Bob's goat was that it was in the middle of the channel where there should have been plenty of water and the depth sounder didn't give us any warning. No one is more paranoid about depth than he is. I drove an Endeavour 35 sloop out of the little basin at the yacht club in Daytona Beach, followed the bouys around into the ICW to starboard to get to the fuel dock at the marina next door. Right after I rounded up South in the center of the channel, the boat hooked "something" like it had just hooked a tree that nosed the old girl over and stopped her dead in her tracks like a jet landing on a carrier snagging the cables on deck. Florida is just terrible with a 6' keel hanging down. The keel of the Amel Sharki 41 dragged along the bottom of Lake Worth in the middle of the channel from one end to the other. Vary off course a little and it grounded long before getting near the bouy line. There aren't near enough inlets for them to escape to sea on..... Larry -- Democrats are raising taxes on oil companies by $16,000,000,000. Oil companies don't pay taxes, just like every other company. Consumers pay all taxes, corporate and individual. What's the price of a gallon of regular going to go to to pay $16B more? |
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August 3 - Sailing in Steerage
Rosalie B. wrote in
: and the channel that is closed in Beaufort NC Oh, no! That's where Skip is heading Flying Pig...(c; Larry -- Democrats are raising taxes on oil companies by $16,000,000,000. Oil companies don't pay taxes, just like every other company. Consumers pay all taxes, corporate and individual. What's the price of a gallon of regular going to go to to pay $16B more? |
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August 3 - Sailing in Steerage
Larry wrote:
Rosalie B. wrote in news What got Bob's goat was that it was in the middle of the channel where there should have been plenty of water and the depth sounder didn't give us any warning. No one is more paranoid about depth than he is. I drove an Endeavour 35 sloop out of the little basin at the yacht club in Daytona Beach, followed the bouys around into the ICW to starboard to get to the fuel dock at the marina next door. Right after I rounded up South in the center of the channel, the boat hooked "something" like it had just hooked a tree that nosed the old girl over and stopped her dead in her tracks like a jet landing on a carrier snagging the cables on deck. Florida is just terrible with a 6' keel hanging down. The keel of the Amel Sharki 41 dragged along the bottom of Lake Worth in the middle of the channel from one end to the other. Vary off course a little and it grounded long before getting near the bouy line. IT is the same way through the Georgia ICW. At low tide the daymarks are well on dry land. We only went through the ICW in Lake Worth once. That was enough. Between there and Ft. Lauderdale there were over 20 bridges to be opened. There aren't near enough inlets for them to escape to sea on..... On our last trip up the ICW, we went in the Hawk Channel from Marathon to Miami. Then Offshore from Miami to Fort Pierce. Up the ICW to the St. Mary's River. (Usually anchor in Melbourne, and stay in marinas in Titusville, Daytona, St. Augustine, Jax Beach - 5 days) Offshore from the St. Mary's River to Charleston Offshore from Charleston to Cape Fear A short hop from Southport to Masonboro I had just suggested to Bob that we go out Masonboro and come in at Beaufort when we went aground. From there - we usually go inshore stopping at Swansboro, Oriental, Belhaven, Alligator R., Coinjock, NC (Virginia Cut - we usually go south through the Dismal Swamp and come back through the Virginia Cut), and Norfolk Incidentally it is Gallant's Cut in Beaufort that is closed. I've heard several radio conversations from trawlers that had put their autopilots following the old channel on the chartplotter. But I knew (from the guidebooks) that Gallant's Cut channel was closed in 2000 when we made our first trip down the ICW (and the only time that we had anything to do with Beaufort by boat because I think the marinas are too expensive - we anchored ) http://p.vtourist.com/953637-Beaufor...e-Beaufort.jpg |
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August 3 - Sailing in Steerage
Rosalie B. wrote in
: Up the ICW to the St. Mary's River. (Usually anchor in Melbourne, and stay in marinas in Titusville, Daytona, St. Augustine, Jax Beach - 5 days) Let me warn you about St Augustine, and a sailor named Jake on a steel ketch with arthritis in particular.....(c; We met Jake on the docks at the SA city marina. He lives near Miami, somewhere I've forgotten, and when his wife gets fed up with him she sends him to sea, by himself, to get rid of him. Jake is very old, but has been at sea for decades. Seeing me programming waypoints into the chartplotter, he asked me to help him put his waypoints into his Garmin because his hands are so crippled up he can't reliably punch the buttons that much. So, I followed him to his boat and entered all the points he wanted...quite a list he had prepared. When we got done with that, Jake invited Lloyd, who was delivering the Endeavour with me back home, and I to have dinner at that great little restaurant where you can feed the catfish out the window over the ICW, great fun. After dinner, we made our first mistake. Jake wanted us to follow him to "a few" of his favorite bars in St Augustine. Noone he knew, and he knew ALL OF THEM, warned us we were following a gigawatt dynamo! Man, what a night! Jake had every barmaid in town cuddled up to his innocent-LOOKING, crinkled face covered with that white beard! I vowed to start growing one in the morning. I don't remember what time we got back to the boat, but I know it was not long before the sun came up. Jake bid us good night and thanked us for a great time. He looked the same as when we got up from the dinner table! Lloyd and I crawled on our hands and knees back to the boat and poured our dead bodies into the racks, begging for mercy. Needless to say, we were quite late getting off the dock to putter up the ICW to Mayport before putting to sea. I waved to the people who waved at me, but I felt just awful and got seasick as soon as we cleared land. We'd both met our match at bar hopping. Watch out for old Jake! If he wants you to go with him, BOW OUT! YOU CAN'T! IT'S DANGEROUS! WARNING!! WARNING!! Larry -- Democrats are raising taxes on oil companies by $16,000,000,000. Oil companies don't pay taxes, just like every other company. Consumers pay all taxes, corporate and individual. What's the price of a gallon of regular going to go to to pay $16B more? |
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Larry wrote:
Rosalie B. wrote in : Up the ICW to the St. Mary's River. (Usually anchor in Melbourne, and stay in marinas in Titusville, Daytona, St. Augustine, Jax Beach - 5 days) The problem with Jax Beach may be that they've turned all the marinas into condos and there aren't any anymore. Let me warn you about St Augustine, and a sailor named Jake on a steel ketch with arthritis in particular.....(c; LOL. I don't care for the city marina - if I can get a slip there I usually go to Oyster Creek. We anchored out on our first trip. When we go to St. A we usually meet up with Norm of Bandersnatch for drinks or dinner if we can, but our drinks are non-alcoholic. We met Jake on the docks at the SA city marina. He lives near Miami, somewhere I've forgotten, and when his wife gets fed up with him she sends him to sea, by himself, to get rid of him. Jake is very old, but has been at sea for decades. Seeing me programming waypoints into the chartplotter, he asked me to help him put his waypoints into his Garmin because his hands are so crippled up he can't reliably punch the buttons that much. So, I followed him to his boat and entered all the points he wanted...quite a list he had prepared. When we got done with that, Jake invited Lloyd, who was delivering the Endeavour with me back home, and I to have dinner at that great little restaurant where you can feed the catfish out the window over the ICW, great fun. After dinner, we made our first mistake. Jake wanted us to follow him to "a few" of his favorite bars in St Augustine. Noone he knew, and he knew ALL OF THEM, warned us we were following a gigawatt dynamo! Man, what a night! Jake had every barmaid in town cuddled up to his innocent-LOOKING, crinkled face covered with that white beard! I vowed to start growing one in the morning. I don't remember what time we got back to the boat, but I know it was not long before the sun came up. Jake bid us good night and thanked us for a great time. He looked the same as when we got up from the dinner table! Lloyd and I crawled on our hands and knees back to the boat and poured our dead bodies into the racks, begging for mercy. Needless to say, we were quite late getting off the dock to putter up the ICW to Mayport before putting to sea. I waved to the people who waved at me, but I felt just awful and got seasick as soon as we cleared land. We'd both met our match at bar hopping. Watch out for old Jake! If he wants you to go with him, BOW OUT! YOU CAN'T! IT'S DANGEROUS! WARNING!! WARNING!! Larry |
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August 3 - Sailing in Steerage
In article 2007080523324138165-rubyvee3@comcastnet,
Ruby Vee wrote: On 2007-08-05 19:25:52 -0400, "KLC Lewis" said: You know what they say, Rosalie, "if you haven't gone aground it's because you haven't sailed enough." I haven't gone aground yet (knock on wood) but I've brushed the mud a time or two. Mostly this is because I'm exceptionally paranoid about depth. If the chart (and my depth sounder) shows less than 20 feet I don't want to be there unless I'm anchoring. Don't try to sail in the Chesapeake, then! I'm thrilled when I have over 15 feet of depth! Ruby Sailing out of Lake Pontrachain, my chart shows 9-15'just about everywhere. My depthfinder is set at 6.6 as a min... just before the last bridge it starts pinging like crazy.. I'm all aflutter wondering if I'm going to ground-out in open water???... .... till I look at the readout which says 77'!! There is a deep hole in a bend in open water... Phew -- Molesworth |
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August 3 - Sailing in Steerage
"Molesworth" wrote in message ... Sailing out of Lake Pontrachain, my chart shows 9-15'just about everywhere. My depthfinder is set at 6.6 as a min... just before the last bridge it starts pinging like crazy.. I'm all aflutter wondering if I'm going to ground-out in open water???... ... till I look at the readout which says 77'!! There is a deep hole in a bend in open water... Phew -- Molesworth Most of my sailing has been done in deepwater areas like southern California, where "shallows" meant 25 to 50 feet. Coming to Green Bay has done little to change my attitude about what shallow water is. There are lots of places here where the water is less than 10 feet deep -- I simply avoid them. Oh, I'll anchor in 8 feet, but only with someone on the bow (of course) and someone watching the depthsounder and the boat ghosting along. But sailing in that depth? Only in a dinghy if I have anything to say about it. ;-) |
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August 3 - Sailing in Steerage
On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:56:05 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: Other than the grounding, it seems to me that the only "boat stopper" they've experienced so far is the steering failure -- and even that was fixable at sea from Skip's report, with emergency steering solutions available (unknown whether they had the knowledge to employ any of them, however). The Flying Pig is clearly a boat with more equipment than I would choose to go to sea with. I prefer simple systems that are easily repaired in the event of failure. Tiller steering. No refer. Low power demands. Very limited through-hulls. Porta-potti with "bucket and chuck-it" option at sea. But horses for courses, as they say. Some claim that women demand high-comfort heads with lots of beauty-parlor options. Guess I'm not that much of a girly-girl. Nevertheless, underway repairs and maintenance are pretty much expected. The higher-tech the systems, the more repairs to be expected. And they *are* in "shake-down" mode at this time. Points taken. Understand I haven't owned a sailboat, just intend to. And I'm trying to develop my own "philosophy" regarding boat systems selection and care. I guess it was Skip's mention of various electrical issues and confusion about their source that bothered me. And the leaking hose. I thought such issues would have been worked out before leaving Florida. Faults are prone to snowballing quickly and the it's best to deal with them ashore. The steering problem, which appears self-induced, also caught my attention. It just seems that Skip's attention to such matters is scattered and could be improved somehow. I've seen mention here of pilot checklists, and AFAIC the same prep method is appropriate for boats. Those here who have developed such procedures could chime in. Regarding cruiser electrical/mechanical shakedowns, hose leaks, electrical glitches and such shouldn't be part of that, as that should all be set right while ashore. My Navy shakedown cruises were more stress and performance tests than tests of basic systems. I suppose for sailboat cruisers the real shakedown elements are rigging, sails and drive train related. But like I said, I don't yet sail, so I'd welcome experienced thoughts on this as I prepare myself. I'm a true believer in KISS, but not a Luddite. Even complex systems have design differences that allow careful selection of equipment to lend to them the KISS factor. Not complex, but as an example, the Airhead composting toilet is much simpler and maintenance free than holding tank systems, though for some it's unsuitable, or maybe too costly. --Vic |
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