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On Aug 5, 9:03 pm, Rosalie B. wrote:
Geoff Schultz wrote:


But in this case, we'd been in Marathon all winter and hadn't seen
anything about this particular problem



As in East jefferson HWY ????? you talkn gater tail and craaw fish
bra?

Good u not down way n ... Sulphur... Venice..... or Fouchion....
Marathon is good place. I come see yall bra.

bob

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Rosalie B. wrote in
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Geoff Schultz wrote:

Didn't Skipper Bob die? Most of the information I see now comes from
Claiborne Young

Simply get a book like Skipper Bob's Anchorages and read where the
shoaling is. You can get updates on-line. I annotate the book with
the updates and create warning symbols on the GPS course which warn me
when I'm heading into a area known to have problems. Following this
procedure I didn't have any issues this year, but I knew many people
who did and they were just following the R/Gs and didn't realize where
the shoaling was.

-- Geoff


I have all the charts with notations (like the new buoys north of the
Alligator River bridge and the channel that is closed in Beaufort NC.)

But in this case, we'd been in Marathon all winter and hadn't seen
anything about this particular problem although the TBUS guy said that
a lot of people had run aground there.


Here's the Skipper Bob update on the Masonboro Inlet:

ICW, Mile 280.4, Mason Inlet

CAUTION – The channel has shoaled to 3.8' MLW on the green side near
G121 at the Mason Inlet. Stay on the red side between R122 and G123.
Use waypoint N34º 14.95 and W77º 46.98 as the deep water point on the
red side opposite the shoaling on the green side near G121. Based on
USACOE Report dated November 8, 2005. (July 16, 2006)

-- Geoff
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What got Bob's goat was that it was in the middle of the channel where
there should have been plenty of water and the depth sounder didn't
give us any warning. No one is more paranoid about depth than he is.


I drove an Endeavour 35 sloop out of the little basin at the yacht club in
Daytona Beach, followed the bouys around into the ICW to starboard to get
to the fuel dock at the marina next door. Right after I rounded up South
in the center of the channel, the boat hooked "something" like it had just
hooked a tree that nosed the old girl over and stopped her dead in her
tracks like a jet landing on a carrier snagging the cables on deck.

Florida is just terrible with a 6' keel hanging down. The keel of the Amel
Sharki 41 dragged along the bottom of Lake Worth in the middle of the
channel from one end to the other. Vary off course a little and it
grounded long before getting near the bouy line.

There aren't near enough inlets for them to escape to sea on.....


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Rosalie B. wrote in
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and the channel that is closed in Beaufort NC


Oh, no! That's where Skip is heading Flying Pig...(c;

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Larry wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote in
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What got Bob's goat was that it was in the middle of the channel where
there should have been plenty of water and the depth sounder didn't
give us any warning. No one is more paranoid about depth than he is.

I drove an Endeavour 35 sloop out of the little basin at the yacht club in
Daytona Beach, followed the bouys around into the ICW to starboard to get
to the fuel dock at the marina next door. Right after I rounded up South
in the center of the channel, the boat hooked "something" like it had just
hooked a tree that nosed the old girl over and stopped her dead in her
tracks like a jet landing on a carrier snagging the cables on deck.

Florida is just terrible with a 6' keel hanging down. The keel of the Amel
Sharki 41 dragged along the bottom of Lake Worth in the middle of the
channel from one end to the other. Vary off course a little and it
grounded long before getting near the bouy line.

IT is the same way through the Georgia ICW. At low tide the daymarks
are well on dry land.

We only went through the ICW in Lake Worth once. That was enough.
Between there and Ft. Lauderdale there were over 20 bridges to be
opened.

There aren't near enough inlets for them to escape to sea on.....

On our last trip up the ICW, we went in the Hawk Channel from Marathon
to Miami. Then

Offshore from Miami to Fort Pierce.

Up the ICW to the St. Mary's River. (Usually anchor in Melbourne, and
stay in marinas in Titusville, Daytona, St. Augustine, Jax Beach - 5
days)

Offshore from the St. Mary's River to Charleston

Offshore from Charleston to Cape Fear

A short hop from Southport to Masonboro

I had just suggested to Bob that we go out Masonboro and come in at
Beaufort when we went aground.

From there - we usually go inshore stopping at Swansboro, Oriental,
Belhaven, Alligator R., Coinjock, NC (Virginia Cut - we usually go
south through the Dismal Swamp and come back through the Virginia
Cut), and Norfolk

Incidentally it is Gallant's Cut in Beaufort that is closed. I've
heard several radio conversations from trawlers that had put their
autopilots following the old channel on the chartplotter. But I
knew (from the guidebooks) that Gallant's Cut channel was closed in
2000 when we made our first trip down the ICW (and the only time that
we had anything to do with Beaufort by boat because I think the
marinas are too expensive - we anchored )
http://p.vtourist.com/953637-Beaufor...e-Beaufort.jpg



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Rosalie B. wrote in
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Up the ICW to the St. Mary's River. (Usually anchor in Melbourne, and
stay in marinas in Titusville, Daytona, St. Augustine, Jax Beach - 5
days)


Let me warn you about St Augustine, and a sailor named Jake on a steel
ketch with arthritis in particular.....(c;

We met Jake on the docks at the SA city marina. He lives near Miami,
somewhere I've forgotten, and when his wife gets fed up with him she
sends him to sea, by himself, to get rid of him. Jake is very old, but
has been at sea for decades. Seeing me programming waypoints into the
chartplotter, he asked me to help him put his waypoints into his Garmin
because his hands are so crippled up he can't reliably punch the buttons
that much. So, I followed him to his boat and entered all the points he
wanted...quite a list he had prepared.

When we got done with that, Jake invited Lloyd, who was delivering the
Endeavour with me back home, and I to have dinner at that great little
restaurant where you can feed the catfish out the window over the ICW,
great fun. After dinner, we made our first mistake. Jake wanted us to
follow him to "a few" of his favorite bars in St Augustine. Noone he
knew, and he knew ALL OF THEM, warned us we were following a gigawatt
dynamo! Man, what a night! Jake had every barmaid in town cuddled up to
his innocent-LOOKING, crinkled face covered with that white beard! I
vowed to start growing one in the morning.

I don't remember what time we got back to the boat, but I know it was not
long before the sun came up. Jake bid us good night and thanked us for a
great time. He looked the same as when we got up from the dinner table!
Lloyd and I crawled on our hands and knees back to the boat and poured
our dead bodies into the racks, begging for mercy. Needless to say, we
were quite late getting off the dock to putter up the ICW to Mayport
before putting to sea. I waved to the people who waved at me, but I felt
just awful and got seasick as soon as we cleared land. We'd both met our
match at bar hopping.

Watch out for old Jake! If he wants you to go with him, BOW OUT! YOU
CAN'T! IT'S DANGEROUS! WARNING!! WARNING!!


Larry
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Larry wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote in
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Up the ICW to the St. Mary's River. (Usually anchor in Melbourne, and
stay in marinas in Titusville, Daytona, St. Augustine, Jax Beach - 5
days)

The problem with Jax Beach may be that they've turned all the marinas
into condos and there aren't any anymore.

Let me warn you about St Augustine, and a sailor named Jake on a steel
ketch with arthritis in particular.....(c;


LOL. I don't care for the city marina - if I can get a slip there I
usually go to Oyster Creek. We anchored out on our first trip. When
we go to St. A we usually meet up with Norm of Bandersnatch for drinks
or dinner if we can, but our drinks are non-alcoholic.

We met Jake on the docks at the SA city marina. He lives near Miami,
somewhere I've forgotten, and when his wife gets fed up with him she
sends him to sea, by himself, to get rid of him. Jake is very old, but
has been at sea for decades. Seeing me programming waypoints into the
chartplotter, he asked me to help him put his waypoints into his Garmin
because his hands are so crippled up he can't reliably punch the buttons
that much. So, I followed him to his boat and entered all the points he
wanted...quite a list he had prepared.

When we got done with that, Jake invited Lloyd, who was delivering the
Endeavour with me back home, and I to have dinner at that great little
restaurant where you can feed the catfish out the window over the ICW,
great fun. After dinner, we made our first mistake. Jake wanted us to
follow him to "a few" of his favorite bars in St Augustine. Noone he
knew, and he knew ALL OF THEM, warned us we were following a gigawatt
dynamo! Man, what a night! Jake had every barmaid in town cuddled up to
his innocent-LOOKING, crinkled face covered with that white beard! I
vowed to start growing one in the morning.

I don't remember what time we got back to the boat, but I know it was not
long before the sun came up. Jake bid us good night and thanked us for a
great time. He looked the same as when we got up from the dinner table!
Lloyd and I crawled on our hands and knees back to the boat and poured
our dead bodies into the racks, begging for mercy. Needless to say, we
were quite late getting off the dock to putter up the ICW to Mayport
before putting to sea. I waved to the people who waved at me, but I felt
just awful and got seasick as soon as we cleared land. We'd both met our
match at bar hopping.

Watch out for old Jake! If he wants you to go with him, BOW OUT! YOU
CAN'T! IT'S DANGEROUS! WARNING!! WARNING!!


Larry

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In article 2007080523324138165-rubyvee3@comcastnet,
Ruby Vee wrote:

On 2007-08-05 19:25:52 -0400, "KLC Lewis" said:

You know what they say, Rosalie, "if you haven't gone aground it's because
you haven't sailed enough." I haven't gone aground yet (knock on wood) but
I've brushed the mud a time or two. Mostly this is because I'm exceptionally
paranoid about depth. If the chart (and my depth sounder) shows less than 20
feet I don't want to be there unless I'm anchoring.


Don't try to sail in the Chesapeake, then! I'm thrilled when I have
over 15 feet of depth!

Ruby


Sailing out of Lake Pontrachain, my chart shows 9-15'just about
everywhere. My depthfinder is set at 6.6 as a min...

just before the last bridge it starts pinging like crazy.. I'm all
aflutter wondering if I'm going to ground-out in open water???...

.... till I look at the readout which says 77'!!

There is a deep hole in a bend in open water...

Phew

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Sailing out of Lake Pontrachain, my chart shows 9-15'just about
everywhere. My depthfinder is set at 6.6 as a min...

just before the last bridge it starts pinging like crazy.. I'm all
aflutter wondering if I'm going to ground-out in open water???...

... till I look at the readout which says 77'!!

There is a deep hole in a bend in open water...

Phew

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Molesworth


Most of my sailing has been done in deepwater areas like southern
California, where "shallows" meant 25 to 50 feet. Coming to Green Bay has
done little to change my attitude about what shallow water is. There are
lots of places here where the water is less than 10 feet deep -- I simply
avoid them. Oh, I'll anchor in 8 feet, but only with someone on the bow (of
course) and someone watching the depthsounder and the boat ghosting along.
But sailing in that depth? Only in a dinghy if I have anything to say about
it. ;-)


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On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:56:05 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
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Other than the grounding, it seems to me that the only "boat stopper"
they've experienced so far is the steering failure -- and even that was
fixable at sea from Skip's report, with emergency steering solutions
available (unknown whether they had the knowledge to employ any of them,
however).

The Flying Pig is clearly a boat with more equipment than I would choose to
go to sea with. I prefer simple systems that are easily repaired in the
event of failure. Tiller steering. No refer. Low power demands. Very limited
through-hulls. Porta-potti with "bucket and chuck-it" option at sea. But
horses for courses, as they say. Some claim that women demand high-comfort
heads with lots of beauty-parlor options. Guess I'm not that much of a
girly-girl.

Nevertheless, underway repairs and maintenance are pretty much expected. The
higher-tech the systems, the more repairs to be expected. And they *are* in
"shake-down" mode at this time.

Points taken. Understand I haven't owned a sailboat, just intend to.
And I'm trying to develop my own "philosophy" regarding boat systems
selection and care.
I guess it was Skip's mention of various electrical issues and
confusion about their source that bothered me. And the leaking
hose. I thought such issues would have been worked out before
leaving Florida. Faults are prone to snowballing quickly and the it's
best to deal with them ashore. The steering problem, which appears
self-induced, also caught my attention.
It just seems that Skip's attention to such matters is scattered and
could be improved somehow. I've seen mention here of pilot
checklists, and AFAIC the same prep method is appropriate for boats.
Those here who have developed such procedures could chime in.
Regarding cruiser electrical/mechanical shakedowns, hose leaks,
electrical glitches and such shouldn't be part of that, as that should
all be set right while ashore.
My Navy shakedown cruises were more stress and performance
tests than tests of basic systems.
I suppose for sailboat cruisers the real shakedown elements are
rigging, sails and drive train related.
But like I said, I don't yet sail, so I'd welcome experienced thoughts
on this as I prepare myself.
I'm a true believer in KISS, but not a Luddite. Even complex systems
have design differences that allow careful selection of equipment to
lend to them the KISS factor.
Not complex, but as an example, the Airhead composting toilet is much
simpler and maintenance free than holding tank systems, though for
some it's unsuitable, or maybe too costly.

--Vic
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