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"Roger Long" wrote in message
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote

a really stupid interior design. The entire accommodation is
ill-conceived and obviously designed by a lubber. Why put the berths
way forward for the roughest ride possible?

Because the berths are infrequently used and generally in port or
while on station (moving slowly and just maintaing position). The
heads on the other hand, are used constantly.


Used almost constantly? What's the matter with the crew? Chronic
diarrhea?

Being 'on station' is perhaps the worst of all worlds. You pitch AND
roll. You don't want to even try sleeping in the bow under those
conditions. Those poor seasick blokes stumbling from bow to aft heads
will just manage to puke all over everything in between. Nope, it's a
dumb layout. They took a freaking pleasure yacht layout and tried to
incorporate it into a workboat. Like I said, ill-conceived. The
designer's incompetent.

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

Being 'on station' is perhaps the worst of all worlds. You pitch AND roll.
You don't want to even try sleeping in the bow under those conditions.
Those poor seasick blokes stumbling from bow to aft heads will just manage
to puke all over everything in between. Nope, it's a dumb layout. They
took a freaking pleasure yacht layout and tried to incorporate it into a
workboat. Like I said, ill-conceived. The designer's incompetent.

Wilbur Hubbard


What is your home page address? I want to see that mustard yellow swamp
boat with the mauve interior again.

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On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:28:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

a really stupid interior design. The entire accommodation is
ill-conceived and obviously designed by a lubber. Why put the berths way
forward for the roughest ride possible? Duh! Move the berths aft as far
as you can get them in the accommodation. Put the heads up forward.

And look at all that wasted space for the engine room Wilbur. If the
designer had just used a couple of your 9.9 hp 4 stroke outboards that
burn 1 quart per hour by running them at idle speed, there would be
room for a couple of full sized pool tables and a Jacuzi or two. Whoa
ho! That would be a nice touch on a cruising boat.

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On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:30:14 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

The
designer's incompetent.

A condition you've no doubt had some experience with.

How did your latest cruise go Wilbur, and where to? This is a
newsgroup about cruising you know.

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Being 'on station' is perhaps the worst of all worlds. You pitch AND
roll. You don't want to even try sleeping in the bow under those
conditions.

This is the fourth boat in a series, the first having more than a decade of
operation. No complaints about comfort yet, quite the opposite. Each
institution has talked to the operator of the previous boats to get ideas
and changing the berth layout has never come up.

It's the comfort on station and the qualities as a good platform for
handling heavy, delicate, and expensive stuff over the sides that keeps
oceanographic institutions coming back to me for designs. There are now
more oceanographic vessels in the under 150 foot size range of my design
operating in the Atlantic than by any other designer. I know a couple of
captains that have spent their entire careers on vessels that I designed.

These aren't your daddy's trawler yachts. The hull weight distribution is
carefully managed to detune the roll period to the critical sea states and
the hulls have a great deal of damping. The difference in comfort compared
to a boat with freeboard and deckhouses piled high to make an impression
inside at the boat shows is remarkable. I got a letter from someone at Woods
Hole who had deployed the same gear on the original 50 foot version and on
an 80 footer of four times the displacement and proportions typical of
trawler yachts. He found the smaller boat more comfortable and a better
working plantform. That had a lot to do with my designing the one for Woods
Hole.

Someday, someone will realize what a great yacht one of these boats would
make. In that case, the berths probably will go in the middle. The purpose
of these boat is to do science; not have people sleep. The most important
function goes in the most comfortable part of the boat.

--
Roger Long

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I just fixed couple of broken links and you can now view the homepages for
the three previous boats he

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Challenger_Class.HTM

All three home pages have arrangement plans for the boats and there are even
some videos if you look around.

--
Roger Long

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On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:40:22 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:28:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

a really stupid interior design. The entire accommodation is
ill-conceived and obviously designed by a lubber. Why put the berths way
forward for the roughest ride possible? Duh! Move the berths aft as far
as you can get them in the accommodation. Put the heads up forward.

And look at all that wasted space for the engine room Wilbur. If the
designer had just used a couple of your 9.9 hp 4 stroke outboards that
burn 1 quart per hour by running them at idle speed, there would be
room for a couple of full sized pool tables and a Jacuzi or two. Whoa
ho! That would be a nice touch on a cruising boat.


Comments made to one of the most successful designers of survey
vessels on the east coast by an individual who has resided for 20
years on a "trailer-sailer:", with a 9.9 HP engine, anchored in a
swamp somewhere.
I wonder how many design contracts Hubby has received over the years?




Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

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On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:30:14 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Roger Long" wrote in message
...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote

a really stupid interior design. The entire accommodation is
ill-conceived and obviously designed by a lubber. Why put the berths
way forward for the roughest ride possible?

Because the berths are infrequently used and generally in port or
while on station (moving slowly and just maintaing position). The
heads on the other hand, are used constantly.


Used almost constantly? What's the matter with the crew? Chronic
diarrhea?

Being 'on station' is perhaps the worst of all worlds. You pitch AND
roll. You don't want to even try sleeping in the bow under those
conditions. Those poor seasick blokes stumbling from bow to aft heads
will just manage to puke all over everything in between. Nope, it's a
dumb layout. They took a freaking pleasure yacht layout and tried to
incorporate it into a workboat. Like I said, ill-conceived. The
designer's incompetent.

Wilbur Hubbard


Goodness! I typed "Roger Long" into Google and got a page listing
boats that he has designed ,and that have been built, up to 180 ft.
plus substantial other work dating back 20 years, or more.

Then I typed "Wilbur Hubbard" into Google.


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

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On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:49:44 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
tanews.com...

Being 'on station' is perhaps the worst of all worlds. You pitch AND roll.
You don't want to even try sleeping in the bow under those conditions.
Those poor seasick blokes stumbling from bow to aft heads will just manage
to puke all over everything in between. Nope, it's a dumb layout. They
took a freaking pleasure yacht layout and tried to incorporate it into a
workboat. Like I said, ill-conceived. The designer's incompetent.

Wilbur Hubbard


What is your home page address? I want to see that mustard yellow swamp
boat with the mauve interior again.



Don't forget the shiny, new 9.9 HP 4-stroke, non polluting outboard
hanging on the back...
Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

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....
http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Challenger_Class.HTM

All three home pages have arrangement plans for the boats and there are even
some videos if you look around.
....

Thanks for all that. Not every designer in the world is willing to
share lines drawings. When I bought the design for my current boat I
had to sign a NDA with the designer and return the plans on
completion! Anyway, since you've been generous with sharing your work
I'm going to be rude enough to ask some questions. Feel free to
ignore them! I'm curious about why you've chosen jets for the new
design. Is the cruise speed higher? I'm also fascinated by the bilge
keels. Are they just to help the handling?

-- Tom.