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As this is a cruising group and contains little info on actual
cruising, to give those contemplating sailing off shore I am posting this email from a friend of mine who, like me, is also a solo sailor. Jack, a US citizen who originally hailed from California, is a retired deep sea diver who lives aboard his 40 foot ketch which has registration in Hobart, Australia and which flies the Australian flag - that's where his US registration expired during a circumnavigation with his family. He left Chaguramas in Trinidad mid May and sailed on the inside passage direct for Saint Thomas with a cargo of cheap jam made from real fruit for some friends. He prefers uncluttered destinations, always anchors out and has an aversion to what he terms as "water Winnebagos". He is one of the most practical and self contained sailors I know. So, if any of you chance to see his boat, call over and say hello. He will appreciate a friendly smile. subject: Greetings from the fairly far north G'day Peter, Arrived here at St Peters, Cape Breton Is., Nova Scotia on the 18th after 14 days of uneventful sailing from St Thomas. almost Virgin Islands. Nothing broken or major dramas. It was good to be at sea and now it is good to be here in a very different environment. Had one of the 2 to 3 days of summer the day I reached and it is lovely here with the sun shining. I will be moving across the lakes to Bedeck in a few days and am considering a frolllic to the S shore of Newfoundland and the French Islands for a baguette or 3. Will see how the weather develops. Expect to be raising sail for down island where the butter melts toward the end of October. So it is with me and Kulkuri. Hope this finds you well and doing well. Don't stay away to long -"Sailors and ships rot in port." H Nelson Take good care and be well. Fair winds and foul friends, Jack - Ketch Kulkuri QQ: "Not all who wander are lost." J R R Tolkien |
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wrote in message ... snip... So, if any of you chance to see his boat, call over and say hello. He will appreciate a friendly smile. subject: Greetings from the fairly far north G'day Peter, Arrived here at St Peters, Cape Breton Is., Nova Scotia on the 18th after 14 days of uneventful sailing from St Thomas. almost Virgin Islands. Nothing broken or major dramas. It was good to be at sea and now it is good to be here in a very different environment. Had one of the 2 to 3 days of summer the day I reached and it is lovely here with the sun shining. I will be moving across the lakes to Bedeck in a few days snip... If I had known on Wednesday, I could have had my cousin give him a special welcome. (works on the St. Peter's canal locks that your buddy had to pass through for the Bras d'Or Lakes) |
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:09:47 -0300, "Don White"
wrote: wrote in message .. . snip... So, if any of you chance to see his boat, call over and say hello. He will appreciate a friendly smile. subject: Greetings from the fairly far north G'day Peter, Arrived here at St Peters, Cape Breton Is., Nova Scotia on the 18th after 14 days of uneventful sailing from St Thomas. almost Virgin Islands. Nothing broken or major dramas. It was good to be at sea and now it is good to be here in a very different environment. Had one of the 2 to 3 days of summer the day I reached and it is lovely here with the sun shining. I will be moving across the lakes to Bedeck in a few days snip... If I had known on Wednesday, I could have had my cousin give him a special welcome. (works on the St. Peter's canal locks that your buddy had to pass through for the Bras d'Or Lakes) Hi Don, I don't think he has gone through the canal yet - I only just got his email 20 minutes before I posted it here. It would be a surprise though. cheers Peter |
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wrote in message ... As this is a cruising group and contains little info on actual cruising, to give those contemplating sailing off shore I am posting this email from a friend of mine who, like me, is also a solo sailor. Jack, a US citizen who originally hailed from California, is a retired deep sea diver who lives aboard his 40 foot ketch which has registration in Hobart, Australia and which flies the Australian flag - that's where his US registration expired during a circumnavigation with his family. How'd he get Australian registration for the boat without being an Australian citizen? and when he did, did he have to pay import duty ? Hobart's a great part of Australia. Captain James Cook said it was one of the best cruising areas in the world. Cheers |
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:03:32 +1000, "JohnM"
wrote: wrote in message .. . As this is a cruising group and contains little info on actual cruising, to give those contemplating sailing off shore I am posting this email from a friend of mine who, like me, is also a solo sailor. Jack, a US citizen who originally hailed from California, is a retired deep sea diver who lives aboard his 40 foot ketch which has registration in Hobart, Australia and which flies the Australian flag - that's where his US registration expired during a circumnavigation with his family. How'd he get Australian registration for the boat without being an Australian citizen? and when he did, did he have to pay import duty ? Hobart's a great part of Australia. Captain James Cook said it was one of the best cruising areas in the world. Cheers I'm not sure. It was in about 1986. I do know that he did not have to pay import duty or any state taxes. He was just passing through and his US registration had expired. He was able to register it even though he was neither an Australian resident or citizen. One does not have to be a citizen of either Panama or Monrovia to register there. Whilst in Europe which has an 18 month limit of stay for non-EU vessels, we could have obtained British registry through the mail without even entering British waters. All we would have required was a UK address. I could have used that of a friend in England. I would point out that he has no personal objection to US registration. He does however feel safer these days with his Australian one. Mine, being New Zealand registered is even safer - nobody knows where New Zealand is apart from movie buffs who have seen "Xena", "The Last Samurai" and "Lord of the Rings". Even then, they think of us as simple forest and mountain dwellers - totally harmless. cheers Peter |
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wrote in message nobody knows where New Zealand is Even then, they think of us as simple forest and mountain dwellers - totally harmless. Obviously they have never seen the All Blacks ;-) Peter HK |
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How'd he get Australian registration for the boat without being an
Australian citizen? and when he did, did he have to pay import duty ? Hobart's a great part of Australia. Captain James Cook said it was one of the best cruising areas in the world. Cheers I'm not sure. It was in about 1986. I do know that he did not have to pay import duty or any state taxes. He was just passing through and his US registration had expired. He was able to register it even though he was neither an Australian resident or citizen. One does not have to be a citizen of either Panama or Monrovia to register there. Hmm ... Peter's friend may have a piece of paper suggesting that his ketch, Kulkiri, was registered in Australia in 1986, but the current Australian Shipping Register does NOT show a boat with the name Kulkuri as a current Australia-registered vessel. Check the relevant page of the Australian Shipping Register at http:// www.amsa.gov.au/Shipping_Registration/List_of_Registered_Ships/Page_29.asp Something is wrong with this story, Peter! Cheers |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 02:28:12 -0700, Bil wrote:
Hi, All I know is that his boat papers show Aussie registration; the flag he flies is Aussie and the word "Hobart" is carved in teak beneath the boat's name "Kulkuri", also carved in teak. It may be that, like mine, it has expired. My New Zealand registration expired in 2000 after 5 years. I have not bothered to pay the monumental sum to renew it. At every port in all the countries I have visited I handed over the original regsitration papers, my passport and crew list. Very seldom has anyone queried that the registration expiry date on the papers states 2000. When they have, I merely say that in New Zealand the original still stands and that I have some documentation somewhere on the boat to show that it is still current. A lie perhaps but why should I pay the $1,000 or so for registration for another 5 years. I can spend the money better elsewhere. They have yet to ask me to fetch it. I guess that this will generate a flurry of reasons and comments on my irresponsibility. My feelings are that boating is over-regulated as it is, especially in European waters. Also, in New Zealand (at least it was when I left in 1996), boat registration is only required if you intend to sail overseas to another country. In Malaysia, we do not even ask for boat papers. All that is required is to have your passport stamped. The fact that you arrived by yacht doesn't really matter - so far as Customs etc is concerned, you could have swimmed. The Harbour Master's (with Jabatan Laut) dept is not interested in yachts either. They are more interested in big shipping and the Indonesian barter trade boats. The only time I have every been queried about lack of documentation was upon leaving Cesme in Turkey bound for Greece. The assistant harbour master would not give me a port clearance as I lacked a "certificate of competency". A visit to the local Marine Customs office cleared that up. They told him to look at my passport and asked him how he thought I got there. cheers Peter Hendra How'd he get Australian registration for the boat without being an Australian citizen? and when he did, did he have to pay import duty ? Hobart's a great part of Australia. Captain James Cook said it was one of the best cruising areas in the world. Cheers I'm not sure. It was in about 1986. I do know that he did not have to pay import duty or any state taxes. He was just passing through and his US registration had expired. He was able to register it even though he was neither an Australian resident or citizen. One does not have to be a citizen of either Panama or Monrovia to register there. Hmm ... Peter's friend may have a piece of paper suggesting that his ketch, Kulkiri, was registered in Australia in 1986, but the current Australian Shipping Register does NOT show a boat with the name Kulkuri as a current Australia-registered vessel. Check the relevant page of the Australian Shipping Register at http:// www.amsa.gov.au/Shipping_Registration/List_of_Registered_Ships/Page_29.asp Something is wrong with this story, Peter! Cheers |
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On Jul 22, 6:16 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 02:28:12 -0700, Bil wrote: Hi, All I know is that his boat papers show Aussie registration; the flag he flies is Aussie and the word "Hobart" is carved in teak beneath the boat's name "Kulkuri", also carved in teak. It may be that, like mine, it has expired. My New Zealand registration expired in 2000 after 5 years. I have not bothered to pay the monumental sum to renew it. At every port in all the countries I have visited I handed over the original regsitration papers, my passport and crew list. Very seldom has anyone queried that the registration expiry date on the papers states 2000. When they have, I merely say that in New Zealand the original still stands and that I have some documentation somewhere on the boat to show that it is still current. A lie perhaps but why should I pay the $1,000 or so for registration for another 5 years. I can spend the money better elsewhere. They have yet to ask me to fetch it. I guess that this will generate a flurry of reasons and comments on my irresponsibility. My feelings are that boating is over-regulated as it is, especially in European waters. Also, in New Zealand (at least it was when I left in 1996), boat registration is only required if you intend to sail overseas to another country. In Malaysia, we do not even ask for boat papers. All that is required is to have your passport stamped. The fact that you arrived by yacht doesn't really matter - so far as Customs etc is concerned, you could have swimmed. The Harbour Master's (with Jabatan Laut) dept is not interested in yachts either. They are more interested in big shipping and the Indonesian barter trade boats. The only time I have every been queried about lack of documentation was upon leaving Cesme in Turkey bound for Greece. The assistant harbour master would not give me a port clearance as I lacked a "certificate of competency". A visit to the local Marine Customs office cleared that up. They told him to look at my passport and asked him how he thought I got there. cheers Peter Hendra How'd he get Australian registration for the boat without being an Australian citizen? and when he did, did he have to pay import duty ? Hobart's a great part of Australia. Captain James Cook said it was one of the best cruising areas in the world. Cheers I'm not sure. It was in about 1986. I do know that he did not have to pay import duty or any state taxes. He was just passing through and his US registration had expired. He was able to register it even though he was neither an Australian resident or citizen. One does not have to be a citizen of either Panama or Monrovia to register there. Hmm ... Peter's friend may have a piece of paper suggesting that his ketch, Kulkiri, was registered in Australia in 1986, but the current Australian Shipping Register does NOT show a boat with the name Kulkuri as a current Australia-registered vessel. Check the relevant page of the Australian Shipping Register at http:// www.amsa.gov.au/Shipping_Registration/List_of_Registered_Ships/Page_2... Something is wrong with this story, Peter! Cheers- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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All I know is that his boat papers show Aussie registration; the flag
he flies is Aussie and the word "Hobart" is carved in teak beneath the boat's name "Kulkuri", also carved in teak. It may be that, like mine, it has expired. No. Australian shipping registration for pleasure craft, as it stands at the moment, does not expire (unlike NZ or US documentation). Each of the separate states and territories has its own registration, which involves re-registering the vessel annually, but Australian shipping registration does not require annual or 5-annual renewal. In Malaysia, we do not even ask for boat papers. All that is required is to have your passport stamped. The fact that you arrived by yacht doesn't really matter - so far as Customs etc is concerned, you could have swimmed. The Harbour Master's (with Jabatan Laut) dept is not interested in yachts either. They are more interested in big shipping and the Indonesian barter trade boats. Hmm ... every time I've entered and exited Malaysian waters I've had to fill out forms for Jabatan Laut that require entry of the vessel's official number etc. Jabatan Laut officers often do not ask to see the papers, but they want their forms filled in and submitted. In Malaysia, port clearance is handled by Customs (clearing in and out with Jabatan Laut, the Marine Department, is more for JL's sense of control than anything else) and Customs generally do want to see the original copy of the ship's papers. |
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... Very seldom has anyone queried that the registration
expiry date on the papers states 2000. When they have, I merely say that in New Zealand the original still stands and that I have some documentation somewhere on the boat to show that it is still current. A lie perhaps but why should I pay the $1,000 or so for registration for another 5 years. ... You may get away with this, and 1k seems wildly expensive for registration, but not everyone who tries this has as much luck as you have. I have witnessed folks getting into very uncomfortable situations with customs because of lapsed registration. In the islands there is always the temptation to just sail away but that does tend to poison the waters for folks who follow on and even the most primitive customs houses seem to be able to forward the particulars of offenders on. French and US territorial folks do not seem to care much but the Aussies and Kiwis do and it can be awkward to have to fight the government in either of those places. I don't know how it all plays out in the rest of the world, but since US renewal is free and since they will send you a new cert any time you ask for one I haven't ever been motivated to go without. -- Tom. |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 06:30:47 -0700, Bil wrote:
Hi, This is all strange to me, especially as I have worked with Jabatan Kastam Diraja Malaysia - Marin. To be sure, one can go through all the proceedures if one chooses to but few do and it is not enforced at all. You can fill out the harbour master's forms at each port if you choose but from social conversations with these people, they would really prefer not to. The same with Customs where they are attached to immigration - they are not part of the prevention part of the Customs department. I am positive that if you were to enquire at the Marine Customs bases (part of Prevention - not Revenue) at such as Tanjong Putri in Johor Bahru, Pelabuhan Klang, Penang or Langkawi - all ports of entry, they would not know what you would be talking about. I cannot recall any ships papers of yachts being asked for whereas they examine all barter trade papers minutely. I have just checked with friends who I have worked with and they agree that they never bother with such matters. They have found that yachts are not a problem. regards Peter Hmm ... every time I've entered and exited Malaysian waters I've had to fill out forms for Jabatan Laut that require entry of the vessel's official number etc. Jabatan Laut officers often do not ask to see the papers, but they want their forms filled in and submitted. In Malaysia, port clearance is handled by Customs (clearing in and out with Jabatan Laut, the Marine Department, is more for JL's sense of control than anything else) and Customs generally do want to see the original copy of the ship's papers. |
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