Marine Diesel Prices are Outrageous
 

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:18:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


I have no sympathy for anybody who runs a diesel engine for recreational
purposes. Don't you realize how much pollution a marine diesel engine
produces? It's totally selfish and irresponsible. Anybody running a
marine diesel for recreational purposes is sick in my opinion. No regard
whatsoever for clean air and a clean marine environment. When somebody's
'fun' takes precedence over my rights (to a clean environment) then I
cannot excuse such hedonism.

I wish they'd jack the price of recreational marine diesel up to about
fifty bucks a gallon. Maybe people would be forced to buy
environmentally friendly sailboats that use small, clean-air, 4-stroke,
gasoline outboards when needed but use sails most of the time. When
your 'cruising' is a blatant act of pollution and you don't even realize
it then you're just clueless and nobody I want to associate with....

Wilbur Hubbard

Wait a minute!!.......

Isn't this the same person who posted a while back that he used TBT in
his antifouling?

God is great!!! This man has had a sudden about-face conversion into
an environmentalist!

How did this inspirational sudden insight take place Wilbur? Was in
whilst you were sniffing your petrol tank? I have heard a lot about
the evils of petrol sniffing but never diesel sniffing; another reason
why is it is more socioenvironmentally friendly.

Ever so kindest regards
Peter Hendra

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thunder wrote in news:pan.2007.07.22.04.07.26
@TAKEOUTgti.net:

I don't understand. Does cloudy == freezing?



As temperature drops, unwinterized diesel fuel, as well as frying oil,
solidifies at some temperature. If it gets really cold, it looks like
Crisco. Crisco has a much higher melting point than Canola oil, which is
what most of the frying oil is.

So, systems like Frybrid, HEAT the oil, using the hot water from the
heater hose off the engine to heat the pickup area of the tank, the oil
lines to the engine, the fuel filter, and a big heat exchanger that
raises the oil to 160F which makes it have the same viscosity as diesel
fuel for proper injection before feeding it through some switching valves
to the injection pump. Viscosity of it varies greatly with temperature.
Hotter is thinner, obviously. At the smoking point on a stove, it's like
water.

We can run on Crisco if you get it hot enough. Diesel engines were
originally designed for vegetable oil, but when it was discovered they'd
run on dino fuel oil and kerosene which was dirt cheap at the time, they
started running them all on dino fuel oil. It'll run on anything that
will burn if you can figure out how to inject it at TDC just right, even
liquified wood.

The "Cloud point" of unwinterized diesel fuel, which is quite simply
diesel and gasoline mixed, is around 30F. Vegetable oil clouds around
45F, so if you're going to run it in winter, raw, you need to heat it.
That's what the Frybrid and other oil heater systems do...so we can
inject it.

If diesel manufacturers would change their injection system back to
vegetable oils, all these "conversions" would be unnecessary. Mercedes
diesels specify you may burn heavier #3 diesel oil if you mix it with
kerosene, right in their manual. Us frying oil injectors have just taken
that a few steps further...(c;

Larry
--
Riding down the interstate at 70 for nearly free feels just wonderful!

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Bruce wrote in
:

self serving bull****.

Wilbur is a professional. Don't try this at home!

Larry
--

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Gordon wrote in
:

This whole thread is pretty goofy considering all the two stroke
British Seagulls out there using 10:1 oil mix. Course the newer ones
use
25:1 !


This is also an interesting point......

According to the greenies, because we were ALL burning gas mixed 10:1 or
15:1 with Quaker State SAE 30 motor oil from the Flying A for the first
100 years or so of outboard motor technology, by the millions......All
the lakes in the USA should be between 6 inches and 3 feet deep in greasy
motor oil the old motors used to be covered with, preventing them from
ever corroding, by the way.

The lakes, as you may have noticed, where greasy outboard motors leave a
trail of pollution on their surfaces...but who are not being used as a
sewer by cities and industries...are just fine and full of fish. Why is
that? Could 2-stroke Quaker State EVAPORATE...like it does in the
crankcase?? What a silly idea! That's not going to create panic and a
government grant that goes on forever!

Case in point is the lake I grew up on, Owasco Lake in the Finger Lakes
of upstate NY. Everyone had septic tanks or cesspools, even in Moravia,
my hometown. There was no "sewer system" until the Feds moved in and
forced everyone to feed a new system that dumped its **** into the
"Inlet", the inlet to Owasco Lake. We all drank the lake water while
fishing for the first 18 years of my life. The lake was overrun on any
Saturday with nasty old Evinrudes, Kieffauver Mercurys, Johnsons, Scott
A****ers (Grandpa had a Scott 40 on the big boat), etc. We ran 10:1
tractor gas with Quaker State SAE 30 in it. When I was little, I used to
get to pour the oil into the gas can....by the quart! I still love that
smell...(c; The lake was full of fish, bullheads, pickerel, walleyed
pike, trout, bass, etc. Bullheads used to run towards the Coleman gas
lanterns my grandfather and his friends would line the shore with after
dark and we would snatchhook them as fast as you could cast. Everyone
had 3 or 4 freezers to stuff them all in.

Then the greenies showed up. We had to stop polluting the valley with
our septic tanks, cesspools, ****ing in the lawns, and all the old 1800's
"camps", little houses along the lake used by the city folks only in
summer, had to tear down their outhouses behind the garages across the
dirt road from their camps. (If you were out fishing and "had to go",
you simply stopped at any lakeside camp, knocked on a door, and asked to
use their outhouse. It was fine. The BEST nightcrawlers for more
fishing were in the leaves right behind the outhouses, too...real
MONSTERS!) Towns were all forced into the sewage business. It dumped
into the inlet, polluting the lake.

Google "Owasco Lake", with the quote marks for better sorting. Read the
terrible reports of algae blooms, dead fish, etc., that is Owasco Lake,
Sewer, in 2007. They should have left my lake and its people alone.
They were fine.....

Larry
--
So was their old, blue Evinrude Sportwins going fishing at 5AM.....

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HK wrote:
Verizon News wrote:
The cost of marine diesel for your boat is outrageous these days. I am
all for businesses making an honest buck and I am all for

http://www.billharder.com/boating/39...are-outrageous




Here's a suggestion.

Next time there is a national election, work to defeat GOP oil whore
candidates like Bush and Cheney, who hold secret meetings with the
petrol industry to establish a "national energy policy" aimed at
enriching big oil at the expense of everyone else. Work to elect
populist candidates who will work to moderate rapacious corporations and
who will not be afraid to impose excess profits taxes on those screwing
the public.
Who is being offered by the two parties? They are both playing the
globalist, partnership of business and government, tear up the
Constitution game.
Nay a word from either side of the aisle about reigning in the oil
cabal that has a stranglehold on our economy.
Inflation is correctly defined as devaluation in our present time.
George Bush's mandate is globalism. He said he is a globalist. Oeioke
seem to take some good interpretations of that word as to what this
partnership of government and big (global) business is doing to our
economy and the destruction of our Constitution and Republic.

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wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:13:57 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
m...
snip....
Now, instead of railing against we who see things differently from you,
if
you choose to lobby for pollution controls on all diesels, then we can
form common cause. Else, sail away.


You're replying to a roll who prides himself on spending his retirement
years in a mustard yellow sailboat c/w mauve interior.
This decaying hulk is usually found in some mosquito infested swamp one
step
ahead of the authorities.

I would have expected that for someone who uses abusive language
whilst sheltering within the web as much as he does that he would be
able to spell "ass" correctly.

Wilbur or aka whomsoever you are, the correct spelling of the last
sphincter muscle of the alimentary canal is "ARSE"

Please use this correct spelling in the future when you launch into
your wearisome vitriolic attacks.

Kindest regards
Peter


Peter, you should refrain from contradicting a well-known expert on that
part of the anatomy.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 07:49:44 +0700, Bruce
wrote:

Your final comment that "One other thing, if one can't abide being
becalmed from time to time then don't take up sailing" simply
indicates that you have never actually "cruised". Oh, maybe a little
day sailing but how many trips have you made where you didn't expect
to see land for three weeks to a month?

When you are sitting 250 miles off shore and the wind hasn't made a
ripple on the water for three days, as happened to a friend of mine,
you too might find the thought of trying to motor that 250 miles to
get to a place you can buy some food and water as somewhat appealing.

I had another friend that was depending on one of your recommended
outboards, because his sail drive ate it's gears, and the wind
stopped. It took him 10 days to make just a bit over 100 miles to
shore, drifting most of the way. Those little outboard tanks sure
don't carry much fuel.

No Wildur, you go out and make a couple of real voyages and then come
back and talk to me. You might even find that we'd agree on a lot more
things that you think we would.


Very well said Bruce


Very well said if you like listening to ignorance personified. I guess
you identify with that mode of operation?

Bruce comes out and says a voyaging sailor can't be becalmed for two or
three days because he'll run out of food and water. He needs that diesel
engine so he can go to shore and get more food and water.
Bwahahahhahahah! Some cruising sailor! If you don't have adequate food
and water for at least TWO MONTHS aboard at all times when cruising then
stay off the oceans. You obviously don't belong there.

Bruce apparently has that week-ender attitude but claims he's some sort
of cruising expert. What a sham!

One can put a Honda 4-stroke 9.9HP on a transom bracket and in calm
conditions make four knots even with a forty-foot sailboat provided the
bottom is clean. At four knots you use about a quart of gasoline per
hour. That's 16 miles per gallon. The engine meets California emission
standards. It burns no oil because it ain't no crummy, 2-stroke
technology. Ten gallons of gasoline will take you 160 miles. If you
don't carry a couple six-gallon jerry cans of gasoline then you can only
blame yourself.

If Bruce is the type who's unprepared and running out of provisions
after only two or three days off shore then perhaps he might need to
rely on a motor but I say that's a very stupid way to cruise. Myself, I
could stay for a month becalmed and still have provisions enough to last
several more weeks. And, my boat's only a 32-footer.

I've cruised many times for weeks on end. And offshore. I don't expect
to have to stop someplace and get food and water every couple or three
days. That's not the way I cruise. Even when land is at hand and I
anchor here and there in remote places away from the crush of humanity
for weeks at a time I have little desire to visit a store every couple
days.

When I'm anchored for a while in a harbor somewhere near a grocery store
I might allow my provisions to become somewhat depleted because I like
to take that chance to use up the older items before they have a chance
to go off. But when I choose to continue my cruise I stock up fresh with
at least two months of food, water and other necessary supplies (rum). I
also have a nice blue tarp which I can use to collect rain water in an
emergency. I know how to fish and I can live for weeks and months on
fish, rice and limes. One never knows when the urge will strike to
go'round.

Having the urgent desire to run to land just because the wind doesn't
blow for a couple days tells me Bruce and his friends have no business
calling themselves sailor's. Wimps and a lubbers would be more like it,
in my opinion. And your siding with them doesn't say much for your level
of sailing knowledge or experience, either.

What you demonstrate with your sucking up to pretenders is you're a
pretender yourself. You, Bruce and his impatient, unprepared friend with
a forty-foot boat that only holds three days of food and water haven't a
clue. Real sailors don't rely on a motor as much as you advocate they
do. You advocate it because you just don't know any better. But, that's
typical behavior for most run-of-the-mill lubbers. Get a sailboat and
use it like a trawler. Then go around trying to convince other people
your misconceptions and impatience is the rule. Well you don't convince
any real sailors, that's for sure.

Wilbur Hubbard

Marine Diesel Prices are Outrageous
 

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:18:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


I have no sympathy for anybody who runs a diesel engine for
recreational
purposes. Don't you realize how much pollution a marine diesel engine
produces? It's totally selfish and irresponsible. Anybody running a
marine diesel for recreational purposes is sick in my opinion. No
regard
whatsoever for clean air and a clean marine environment. When
somebody's
'fun' takes precedence over my rights (to a clean environment) then I
cannot excuse such hedonism.

I wish they'd jack the price of recreational marine diesel up to about
fifty bucks a gallon. Maybe people would be forced to buy
environmentally friendly sailboats that use small, clean-air,
4-stroke,
gasoline outboards when needed but use sails most of the time. When
your 'cruising' is a blatant act of pollution and you don't even
realize
it then you're just clueless and nobody I want to associate with....

Wilbur Hubbard

Wait a minute!!.......

Isn't this the same person who posted a while back that he used TBT in
his antifouling?

God is great!!! This man has had a sudden about-face conversion into
an environmentalist!

How did this inspirational sudden insight take place Wilbur? Was in
whilst you were sniffing your petrol tank? I have heard a lot about
the evils of petrol sniffing but never diesel sniffing; another reason
why is it is more socioenvironmentally friendly.

Ever so kindest regards
Peter Hendra


Nobody ever said TBT contributes to the greenhouse effect and global
warming. As long as the Navy uses it on their huge ships I'll feel free
to use it on my little sailboat.

Nobody has to smell it, nobody has to breathe it, nobody has to be
exposed to it unless they decide to chew on the bottom of my boat. Who
cares about some baby barnacles and algae spores that have to find a
better place to live, anyway? Not me!

Wilbur Hubbard

Marine Diesel Prices are Outrageous
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf4gOS8aoFk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf4gOS8aoFk

Marine Diesel Prices are Outrageous
 

Gordon wrote in news:13a7b2cj5o6dcf1
@corp.supernews.com:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf4gOS8aoFk

8KW in......8 watts out......a regular perpetual motion machine!

And, it only takes a $8.2M RF generator to start it!

But, alas, the Toyota guys have seen this.....(c;

Sure looked more like it was ARCING than BURNING, didn't it?

Larry
--
While in Mexico, I didn't have to press 1 for Spanish.
While in Iran, I didn't have to press 1 for Farsi, either.
While in Florida, I had to press 2 for English.
It just isn't fair.