Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

yes; ultraviolet will harm just about any hose...

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:38:00 -0800, Jessie wrote:

A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?



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Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

yes; ultraviolet will harm just about any hose...

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:38:00 -0800, Jessie wrote:

A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?



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"Jessie" writes:
A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?

Yes.


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Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

"Jessie" writes:
A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?

Yes.


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S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
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Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

Pretty much any black rubber hose will eventually dry rot and start to
crack.
Takes a while though, especially if it is in not exposed to sun (UV).

Doug
s/v Callista

"Jessie" wrote in message
...
A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

Pretty much any black rubber hose will eventually dry rot and start to
crack.
Takes a while though, especially if it is in not exposed to sun (UV).

Doug
s/v Callista

"Jessie" wrote in message
...
A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

Ozone is probably the principal destroyer of most rubbers .... then UV,
oxygen, etc. As long as we have thunderstorms, internal combustion
engines, electric sparks, etc. .....
If you really want to destroy your rubber hosing, install an ozone
generator on your boat.
If the hose appears hard or the surface has started to 'crumble' or
develope ANY surface cracks ... replace it immediately.
;-)


In article , Jessie
wrote:

A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

Ozone is probably the principal destroyer of most rubbers .... then UV,
oxygen, etc. As long as we have thunderstorms, internal combustion
engines, electric sparks, etc. .....
If you really want to destroy your rubber hosing, install an ozone
generator on your boat.
If the hose appears hard or the surface has started to 'crumble' or
develope ANY surface cracks ... replace it immediately.
;-)


In article , Jessie
wrote:

A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:45:14 -0800, Josh Assing
wrote:

yes; ultraviolet will harm just about any hose...

But how much UV do you have below deck? You should occasionally test
that the system holds pressure by closing the valve on the bottle
while leaving the solenoid valve open.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


The sound of a Great Blue Heron's wingbeats going by your head

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:45:14 -0800, Josh Assing
wrote:

yes; ultraviolet will harm just about any hose...

But how much UV do you have below deck? You should occasionally test
that the system holds pressure by closing the valve on the bottle
while leaving the solenoid valve open.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


The sound of a Great Blue Heron's wingbeats going by your head

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

"Jessie" wrote in message
...
A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?

Yes. It dries out and starts cracking. Therefore the regulations (in the
Netherlands, that is) say you must replace it every three years.

Meindert

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

"Jessie" wrote in message
...
A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?

Yes. It dries out and starts cracking. Therefore the regulations (in the
Netherlands, that is) say you must replace it every three years.

Meindert

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

Anywhere except on a boat and the answer would be "maybe". It's on a boat
and you need to ask?
df

"Jessie" wrote in message
...
A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

Anywhere except on a boat and the answer would be "maybe". It's on a boat
and you need to ask?
df

"Jessie" wrote in message
...
A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

Agree with Doug's comment. Hope you're talking about a short length of hose
you can observe regularly. Long runs out-of-sight should be heavy gauge
copper.
Len




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"doug dotson" wrote in message
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Pretty much any black rubber hose will eventually dry rot and start to
crack.
Takes a while though, especially if it is in not exposed to sun (UV).

Doug
s/v Callista

"Jessie" wrote in message
...
A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

Agree with Doug's comment. Hope you're talking about a short length of hose
you can observe regularly. Long runs out-of-sight should be heavy gauge
copper.
Len




--
Eliminate "ns" for email address.
"doug dotson" wrote in message
...
Pretty much any black rubber hose will eventually dry rot and start to
crack.
Takes a while though, especially if it is in not exposed to sun (UV).

Doug
s/v Callista

"Jessie" wrote in message
...
A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

I don;t think copper for propane is acceptable for boats in the US. The
surveyor
made me remove all of it on my boat when we bought it. The
boat came from Canada where I guess it must be OK. He also made me
replace all the copper fuel line as well.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Len Krauss" wrote in message
...
Agree with Doug's comment. Hope you're talking about a short length of
hose
you can observe regularly. Long runs out-of-sight should be heavy gauge
copper.
Len




--
Eliminate "ns" for email address.
"doug dotson" wrote in message
...
Pretty much any black rubber hose will eventually dry rot and start to
crack.
Takes a while though, especially if it is in not exposed to sun (UV).

Doug
s/v Callista

"Jessie" wrote in message
...
A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

I don;t think copper for propane is acceptable for boats in the US. The
surveyor
made me remove all of it on my boat when we bought it. The
boat came from Canada where I guess it must be OK. He also made me
replace all the copper fuel line as well.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Len Krauss" wrote in message
...
Agree with Doug's comment. Hope you're talking about a short length of
hose
you can observe regularly. Long runs out-of-sight should be heavy gauge
copper.
Len




--
Eliminate "ns" for email address.
"doug dotson" wrote in message
...
Pretty much any black rubber hose will eventually dry rot and start to
crack.
Takes a while though, especially if it is in not exposed to sun (UV).

Doug
s/v Callista

"Jessie" wrote in message
...
A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:37:58 GMT, Rich Hampel
wrote:

Ozone is probably the principal destroyer of most rubbers

Precisely why I keep all my rubbers in those foil packets until
they're needed......(c;

Some jokes just fall right in your lap, don't they?....hee hee.

Wonder if the foil packets are pressurized nitrogen??

Thanks for the laugh....(c;


Larry W4CSC

NNNN

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:37:58 GMT, Rich Hampel
wrote:

Ozone is probably the principal destroyer of most rubbers

Precisely why I keep all my rubbers in those foil packets until
they're needed......(c;

Some jokes just fall right in your lap, don't they?....hee hee.

Wonder if the foil packets are pressurized nitrogen??

Thanks for the laugh....(c;


Larry W4CSC

NNNN

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

My surveyor said just the opposite. I had the line run in hose and he
said it was acceptable but because it ran behind the cabinets and would
be hard to replace that I should replace it with well supported copper
tube.

doug dotson wrote:

I don;t think copper for propane is acceptable for boats in the US. The
surveyor
made me remove all of it on my boat when we bought it. The
boat came from Canada where I guess it must be OK. He also made me
replace all the copper fuel line as well.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Len Krauss" wrote in message
...

Agree with Doug's comment. Hope you're talking about a short length of

hose

you can observe regularly. Long runs out-of-sight should be heavy gauge
copper.
Len




--
Eliminate "ns" for email address.
"doug dotson" wrote in message
...

Pretty much any black rubber hose will eventually dry rot and start to
crack.
Takes a while though, especially if it is in not exposed to sun (UV).

Doug
s/v Callista

"Jessie" wrote in message
...

A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?








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I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

My surveyor said just the opposite. I had the line run in hose and he
said it was acceptable but because it ran behind the cabinets and would
be hard to replace that I should replace it with well supported copper
tube.

doug dotson wrote:

I don;t think copper for propane is acceptable for boats in the US. The
surveyor
made me remove all of it on my boat when we bought it. The
boat came from Canada where I guess it must be OK. He also made me
replace all the copper fuel line as well.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Len Krauss" wrote in message
...

Agree with Doug's comment. Hope you're talking about a short length of

hose

you can observe regularly. Long runs out-of-sight should be heavy gauge
copper.
Len




--
Eliminate "ns" for email address.
"doug dotson" wrote in message
...

Pretty much any black rubber hose will eventually dry rot and start to
crack.
Takes a while though, especially if it is in not exposed to sun (UV).

Doug
s/v Callista

"Jessie" wrote in message
...

A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?








--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

In fact, here is the whole ABYC spec on propane: See A-1.9.2.1

http://www.abycinc.org/committees/A-01.pdf

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

In fact, here is the whole ABYC spec on propane: See A-1.9.2.1

http://www.abycinc.org/committees/A-01.pdf

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

"doug dotson" wrote in message
...
I don;t think copper for propane is acceptable for boats in the US.

Mandatory in the Netherlands. The only place where rubber is allowed is the
shortest possible run from fixed copper to the regulator on the propane
tank.

Meindert

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

"doug dotson" wrote in message
...
I don;t think copper for propane is acceptable for boats in the US.

Mandatory in the Netherlands. The only place where rubber is allowed is the
shortest possible run from fixed copper to the regulator on the propane
tank.

Meindert

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

Nigel Calder recommends copper pipe in his new Cruising Handbook. He does
comment that you need to use flare-type connections and not compression
fittings.

Copper is completely unacceptable for use with acetylene as it forms
explosive copper acetylide deposits in the pipe. Use only hose for your
welding rig g

doug dotson wrote:

I don;t think copper for propane is acceptable for boats in the US. The
surveyor
made me remove all of it on my boat when we bought it. The
boat came from Canada where I guess it must be OK. He also made me
replace all the copper fuel line as well.

Doug
s/v Callista

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

Nigel Calder recommends copper pipe in his new Cruising Handbook. He does
comment that you need to use flare-type connections and not compression
fittings.

Copper is completely unacceptable for use with acetylene as it forms
explosive copper acetylide deposits in the pipe. Use only hose for your
welding rig g

doug dotson wrote:

I don;t think copper for propane is acceptable for boats in the US. The
surveyor
made me remove all of it on my boat when we bought it. The
boat came from Canada where I guess it must be OK. He also made me
replace all the copper fuel line as well.

Doug
s/v Callista

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

Well, that pretty much confirms my experience with surveyors.
Maybe I should just use the same one everytime. At least I
won't be constantly change things back and forth.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:oOGBb.92582$xV6.62149@lakeread04...
My surveyor said just the opposite. I had the line run in hose and he
said it was acceptable but because it ran behind the cabinets and would
be hard to replace that I should replace it with well supported copper
tube.

doug dotson wrote:

I don;t think copper for propane is acceptable for boats in the US. The
surveyor
made me remove all of it on my boat when we bought it. The
boat came from Canada where I guess it must be OK. He also made me
replace all the copper fuel line as well.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Len Krauss" wrote in message
...

Agree with Doug's comment. Hope you're talking about a short length of

hose

you can observe regularly. Long runs out-of-sight should be heavy gauge
copper.
Len




--
Eliminate "ns" for email address.
"doug dotson" wrote in message
...

Pretty much any black rubber hose will eventually dry rot and start to
crack.
Takes a while though, especially if it is in not exposed to sun (UV).

Doug
s/v Callista

"Jessie" wrote in message
...

A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?








--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

Well, that pretty much confirms my experience with surveyors.
Maybe I should just use the same one everytime. At least I
won't be constantly change things back and forth.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:oOGBb.92582$xV6.62149@lakeread04...
My surveyor said just the opposite. I had the line run in hose and he
said it was acceptable but because it ran behind the cabinets and would
be hard to replace that I should replace it with well supported copper
tube.

doug dotson wrote:

I don;t think copper for propane is acceptable for boats in the US. The
surveyor
made me remove all of it on my boat when we bought it. The
boat came from Canada where I guess it must be OK. He also made me
replace all the copper fuel line as well.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Len Krauss" wrote in message
...

Agree with Doug's comment. Hope you're talking about a short length of

hose

you can observe regularly. Long runs out-of-sight should be heavy gauge
copper.
Len




--
Eliminate "ns" for email address.
"doug dotson" wrote in message
...

Pretty much any black rubber hose will eventually dry rot and start to
crack.
Takes a while though, especially if it is in not exposed to sun (UV).

Doug
s/v Callista

"Jessie" wrote in message
...

A friend says that standard black rubber propane hose gets old and
goes bad - needs to be replaced. Any truth in this ?








--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

doug dotson wrote:

Well, that pretty much confirms my experience with surveyors.
Maybe I should just use the same one everytime. At least I
won't be constantly change things back and forth.

Why on Earth would you change anything just because some "surveyor" told
you to? If any surveyor claims that your boat is not within specs on any
item it is his duty to demonstrate exactly what is wrong, what the rules
or regulations require and what options you have to correct the
deficiency. You paid for a written description of the problems and
verification that they were indeed problems.

You have to take as much blame on that deal as the incompetent
"surveyor" you let lead you down the dock. If this was recent I would
take the survey and a copy of the relevant CFR's and ABYC standards to
him and suggest he pay your costs imposed his incompetence. While you
are at it document the event thoroughly and submit all the information
along with the "surveyors" repsonse to the organization which
"certified" the cretin.

Small claims court may be an option if you are stonewalled because of
his disclaimers.

Rick

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

doug dotson wrote:

Well, that pretty much confirms my experience with surveyors.
Maybe I should just use the same one everytime. At least I
won't be constantly change things back and forth.

Why on Earth would you change anything just because some "surveyor" told
you to? If any surveyor claims that your boat is not within specs on any
item it is his duty to demonstrate exactly what is wrong, what the rules
or regulations require and what options you have to correct the
deficiency. You paid for a written description of the problems and
verification that they were indeed problems.

You have to take as much blame on that deal as the incompetent
"surveyor" you let lead you down the dock. If this was recent I would
take the survey and a copy of the relevant CFR's and ABYC standards to
him and suggest he pay your costs imposed his incompetence. While you
are at it document the event thoroughly and submit all the information
along with the "surveyors" repsonse to the organization which
"certified" the cretin.

Small claims court may be an option if you are stonewalled because of
his disclaimers.

Rick

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

Copper is best where it will not be subjected to bending or flexing. Has the
lovely property of becoming brittle as it is worked. Probably both surveyors
were correct in their concerns.

Copper for the long fixed runs, rubber or braided rubber for where it may be
flexed. In my opinion.

surfnturf

"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message
...
"doug dotson" wrote in message
...
I don;t think copper for propane is acceptable for boats in the US.

Mandatory in the Netherlands. The only place where rubber is allowed is
the
shortest possible run from fixed copper to the regulator on the propane
tank.

Meindert

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

Copper is best where it will not be subjected to bending or flexing. Has the
lovely property of becoming brittle as it is worked. Probably both surveyors
were correct in their concerns.

Copper for the long fixed runs, rubber or braided rubber for where it may be
flexed. In my opinion.

surfnturf

"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message
...
"doug dotson" wrote in message
...
I don;t think copper for propane is acceptable for boats in the US.

Mandatory in the Netherlands. The only place where rubber is allowed is
the
shortest possible run from fixed copper to the regulator on the propane
tank.

Meindert

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:10:52 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:

My surveyor said just the opposite. I had the line run in hose and he
said it was acceptable but because it ran behind the cabinets and would
be hard to replace that I should replace it with well supported copper
tube.

doug dotson wrote:

I don;t think copper for propane is acceptable for boats in the US. The
surveyor
made me remove all of it on my boat when we bought it. The
boat came from Canada where I guess it must be OK. He also made me
replace all the copper fuel line as well.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Len Krauss" wrote in message
...

Agree with Doug's comment. Hope you're talking about a short length of

hose

you can observe regularly. Long runs out-of-sight should be heavy gauge
copper.
Len

It is certainly copper on our boat. There is a loop of hose to let the
range gimbal, and a short piece in the tank locker going to the tank
attachment.

The boat is 22 years old. One of the anchor points came adrift lat
year and I repaired it. No surveyor has ever had a problem with it.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


The sound of a Great Blue Heron's wingbeats going by your head

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:10:52 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:

My surveyor said just the opposite. I had the line run in hose and he
said it was acceptable but because it ran behind the cabinets and would
be hard to replace that I should replace it with well supported copper
tube.

doug dotson wrote:

I don;t think copper for propane is acceptable for boats in the US. The
surveyor
made me remove all of it on my boat when we bought it. The
boat came from Canada where I guess it must be OK. He also made me
replace all the copper fuel line as well.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Len Krauss" wrote in message
...

Agree with Doug's comment. Hope you're talking about a short length of

hose

you can observe regularly. Long runs out-of-sight should be heavy gauge
copper.
Len

It is certainly copper on our boat. There is a loop of hose to let the
range gimbal, and a short piece in the tank locker going to the tank
attachment.

The boat is 22 years old. One of the anchor points came adrift lat
year and I repaired it. No surveyor has ever had a problem with it.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


The sound of a Great Blue Heron's wingbeats going by your head

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:58:47 +0100, "Meindert Sprang"
wrote:

"doug dotson" wrote in message
...
I don;t think copper for propane is acceptable for boats in the US.

Mandatory in the Netherlands. The only place where rubber is allowed is the
shortest possible run from fixed copper to the regulator on the propane
tank.


Don't you hae a loop at the other end also? Does the stove gimbal?


Meindert



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


The sound of a Great Blue Heron's wingbeats going by your head

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:58:47 +0100, "Meindert Sprang"
wrote:

"doug dotson" wrote in message
...
I don;t think copper for propane is acceptable for boats in the US.

Mandatory in the Netherlands. The only place where rubber is allowed is the
shortest possible run from fixed copper to the regulator on the propane
tank.


Don't you hae a loop at the other end also? Does the stove gimbal?


Meindert



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


The sound of a Great Blue Heron's wingbeats going by your head

Does propane hose deteoriate?
 

"surfnturf" wrote in message
news:I4RBb.654376$9l5.343675@pd7tw2no...
Copper is best where it will not be subjected to bending or flexing. Has
the
lovely property of becoming brittle as it is worked. Probably both
surveyors
were correct in their concerns.

Indeed. I forgot to add "fixed"...

Meindert