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What's the proper way to view boats that I see on internet sites. Do I call
and make an appointment with the broker or is it customary to just go there and walk in to the office and announce that you want to look at several boats. I'm very early in the process and just want to get a feel of the size boat I'd be comfortable living in. I know its somewhere between 40 and 50 foot. Also what kind of response do you normally get when the broker learns you aren't buying anytime soon? Sorry for the newbee questions. JC |
Viewing a boat.
Also what kind of response do you normally get when the broker
learns you aren't buying anytime soon? Sorry for the newbee questions. JC Always call. Otherwise they aren't there or can't find the keys. Buying a boat can be a long process and most brokers know that. Some brokers will take a lot of time to show you a boat, while others toss you a key and point to it. Sometimes I'll look around the cabin and find the owners phone #. That allows me to call him direct and get more details as well as sound for the price envelope he has in mind. It's your money. Have fun. RB |
Viewing a boat.
Also what kind of response do you normally get when the broker
learns you aren't buying anytime soon? Sorry for the newbee questions. JC Always call. Otherwise they aren't there or can't find the keys. Buying a boat can be a long process and most brokers know that. Some brokers will take a lot of time to show you a boat, while others toss you a key and point to it. Sometimes I'll look around the cabin and find the owners phone #. That allows me to call him direct and get more details as well as sound for the price envelope he has in mind. It's your money. Have fun. RB |
Viewing a boat.
How you LOOK also makes a big difference. If you want them fawning
all over you, dress like you own the place. If you want to be left alone to take your time and look around without being hounded by someone on commission, dress like you're ready to mow the lawn....(c; What's great fun is to take someone with serious money and hot to buy to a boat show dressed like you're going to mow the lawn. Been there, done that....very entertaining...... The look on the salesman's face when you say, "We'll take it, now, cash." ---------------Priceless On 02 Dec 2003 23:22:43 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote: Also what kind of response do you normally get when the broker learns you aren't buying anytime soon? Sorry for the newbee questions. JC Always call. Otherwise they aren't there or can't find the keys. Buying a boat can be a long process and most brokers know that. Some brokers will take a lot of time to show you a boat, while others toss you a key and point to it. Sometimes I'll look around the cabin and find the owners phone #. That allows me to call him direct and get more details as well as sound for the price envelope he has in mind. It's your money. Have fun. RB Larry W4CSC NNNN |
Viewing a boat.
How you LOOK also makes a big difference. If you want them fawning
all over you, dress like you own the place. If you want to be left alone to take your time and look around without being hounded by someone on commission, dress like you're ready to mow the lawn....(c; What's great fun is to take someone with serious money and hot to buy to a boat show dressed like you're going to mow the lawn. Been there, done that....very entertaining...... The look on the salesman's face when you say, "We'll take it, now, cash." ---------------Priceless On 02 Dec 2003 23:22:43 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote: Also what kind of response do you normally get when the broker learns you aren't buying anytime soon? Sorry for the newbee questions. JC Always call. Otherwise they aren't there or can't find the keys. Buying a boat can be a long process and most brokers know that. Some brokers will take a lot of time to show you a boat, while others toss you a key and point to it. Sometimes I'll look around the cabin and find the owners phone #. That allows me to call him direct and get more details as well as sound for the price envelope he has in mind. It's your money. Have fun. RB Larry W4CSC NNNN |
Viewing a boat.
What's great fun is to take someone with serious money and hot to buy
to a boat show dressed like you're going to mow the lawn. Been there, done that....very entertaining.... Doesn't work here in NY. Most of the people with lots of cash dress like they just got off the bread lines. Good clothes usually means low or middle class at best. My friend use to run a Mercedes dealership. It was the shlubs who'd buy big, while suits and designer dresses were just browsing and buying Camry's. RB |
Viewing a boat.
What's great fun is to take someone with serious money and hot to buy
to a boat show dressed like you're going to mow the lawn. Been there, done that....very entertaining.... Doesn't work here in NY. Most of the people with lots of cash dress like they just got off the bread lines. Good clothes usually means low or middle class at best. My friend use to run a Mercedes dealership. It was the shlubs who'd buy big, while suits and designer dresses were just browsing and buying Camry's. RB |
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just bought my first boat. if you're serious suggest you hire your own
broker to represent your interests. I read about this in Cruising World this past summer and doing that saved me thousands. if not too serious then just call the listing broker and look at a lot of boats before you get serious! "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... What's great fun is to take someone with serious money and hot to buy to a boat show dressed like you're going to mow the lawn. Been there, done that....very entertaining.... Doesn't work here in NY. Most of the people with lots of cash dress like they just got off the bread lines. Good clothes usually means low or middle class at best. My friend use to run a Mercedes dealership. It was the shlubs who'd buy big, while suits and designer dresses were just browsing and buying Camry's. RB |
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just bought my first boat. if you're serious suggest you hire your own
broker to represent your interests. I read about this in Cruising World this past summer and doing that saved me thousands. if not too serious then just call the listing broker and look at a lot of boats before you get serious! "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... What's great fun is to take someone with serious money and hot to buy to a boat show dressed like you're going to mow the lawn. Been there, done that....very entertaining.... Doesn't work here in NY. Most of the people with lots of cash dress like they just got off the bread lines. Good clothes usually means low or middle class at best. My friend use to run a Mercedes dealership. It was the shlubs who'd buy big, while suits and designer dresses were just browsing and buying Camry's. RB |
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suggest you hire your own
broker to represent your interests. I read about this in Cruising World this past summer and doing that saved me thousands. How is he compensated? Does he split the sales commission with the Sellers broker? If his commission is higher if you pay more for the boat, how do you know he is really trying to get the price down? Thanks.......Scott |
Viewing a boat.
suggest you hire your own
broker to represent your interests. I read about this in Cruising World this past summer and doing that saved me thousands. How is he compensated? Does he split the sales commission with the Sellers broker? If his commission is higher if you pay more for the boat, how do you know he is really trying to get the price down? Thanks.......Scott |
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"Helimech" wrote in message news:zO8zb.401035$Tr4.1153600@attbi_s03... What's the proper way to view boats that I see on internet sites. Do I call and make an appointment with the broker or is it customary to just go there and walk in to the office and announce that you want to look at several boats. I'm very early in the process and just want to get a feel of the size boat I'd be comfortable living in. I know its somewhere between 40 and 50 foot. Also what kind of response do you normally get when the broker learns you aren't buying anytime soon? Sorry for the newbee questions. JC If you are very early in the process of deciding what'll suit you, go to a big boat show. Then you can look over hundreds of vessels of all types to narrow down your selection, and it'll be easier to eliminate many vessels based on their paper specifications. I don't know which continent you live on, but they all have grand shows one or two times a year attracting thousands of gawpers and dreamers. For thirty years I was one such Gawper. Since then I've lived on my dream. Your typical broker gets between 6% and 10% of the selling price from the vendor. He spends lots of time searching all sorts of sources to look for boats to put on his lists. Once on his lists, he is *very* keen for as many people as possible to view his boats. So, go for it. Go gawp at as many as you can. A good broker will fire a list of questions at you to find out how much effort he should put into selling to you, and what type of boat he should point you at. He'll help you narrow down your choice, but he will be biased to his current stock. Remember, he's *very keen* to get that %. However, his boats may be scattered around the globe. So it's important for you to get used to reading the specifications first - so you don't spend too much time travelling on abortive missions. You'll see a thorough boat spec for an ocean cruising vessel in my signature. If he can't provide that sort of information, he's not doing his job very thoroughly. Hope this helps. Go look. You can't lose. He can! -- Jim B, Yacht RAPAZ, Sadly, for sale: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jim.bae...cification.htm jim[dot]baerselman[at]ntlworld[dot]com |
Viewing a boat.
"Helimech" wrote in message news:zO8zb.401035$Tr4.1153600@attbi_s03... What's the proper way to view boats that I see on internet sites. Do I call and make an appointment with the broker or is it customary to just go there and walk in to the office and announce that you want to look at several boats. I'm very early in the process and just want to get a feel of the size boat I'd be comfortable living in. I know its somewhere between 40 and 50 foot. Also what kind of response do you normally get when the broker learns you aren't buying anytime soon? Sorry for the newbee questions. JC If you are very early in the process of deciding what'll suit you, go to a big boat show. Then you can look over hundreds of vessels of all types to narrow down your selection, and it'll be easier to eliminate many vessels based on their paper specifications. I don't know which continent you live on, but they all have grand shows one or two times a year attracting thousands of gawpers and dreamers. For thirty years I was one such Gawper. Since then I've lived on my dream. Your typical broker gets between 6% and 10% of the selling price from the vendor. He spends lots of time searching all sorts of sources to look for boats to put on his lists. Once on his lists, he is *very* keen for as many people as possible to view his boats. So, go for it. Go gawp at as many as you can. A good broker will fire a list of questions at you to find out how much effort he should put into selling to you, and what type of boat he should point you at. He'll help you narrow down your choice, but he will be biased to his current stock. Remember, he's *very keen* to get that %. However, his boats may be scattered around the globe. So it's important for you to get used to reading the specifications first - so you don't spend too much time travelling on abortive missions. You'll see a thorough boat spec for an ocean cruising vessel in my signature. If he can't provide that sort of information, he's not doing his job very thoroughly. Hope this helps. Go look. You can't lose. He can! -- Jim B, Yacht RAPAZ, Sadly, for sale: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jim.bae...cification.htm jim[dot]baerselman[at]ntlworld[dot]com |
Viewing a boat.
Thanks to all for some great info. As they say, "Let the games begin" JC
"Helimech" wrote in message news:zO8zb.401035$Tr4.1153600@attbi_s03... What's the proper way to view boats that I see on internet sites. Do I call and make an appointment with the broker or is it customary to just go there and walk in to the office and announce that you want to look at several boats. I'm very early in the process and just want to get a feel of the size boat I'd be comfortable living in. I know its somewhere between 40 and 50 foot. Also what kind of response do you normally get when the broker learns you aren't buying anytime soon? Sorry for the newbee questions. JC |
Viewing a boat.
Thanks to all for some great info. As they say, "Let the games begin" JC
"Helimech" wrote in message news:zO8zb.401035$Tr4.1153600@attbi_s03... What's the proper way to view boats that I see on internet sites. Do I call and make an appointment with the broker or is it customary to just go there and walk in to the office and announce that you want to look at several boats. I'm very early in the process and just want to get a feel of the size boat I'd be comfortable living in. I know its somewhere between 40 and 50 foot. Also what kind of response do you normally get when the broker learns you aren't buying anytime soon? Sorry for the newbee questions. JC |
Viewing a boat.
I might add, having just done a huge amount of what it sounds like you're
about to do, that you can take any YachtWorld or other broker's information with enough rock salt to recharge a water softener. Aside from the raw specifications, what you see will rarely match the description - and frequently the raw specifications won't be accurate, either. If you don't already know what boat (make, model) and other specifications you want, visiting the boats you *think* will work will be a real education. It's not really the brokers' fault. Pictures can't show the detail that your eye will see, nor can the broker, without taking an inordinate amount of time, convey the level of information which would really tell you the story of a boat. You have to go rummage around it yourself. However, if it's not a new boat, you can largely assume that the picture will look better than reality. Unless the boat's actually truly been very recently totally rehabbed, with new upholstery, cushions, whatever sort of window treatments may be there, hatches, ports, non-skid, varnish, countertops, running and standing rigging and sails, bottom treatment, rebuilt or new engine and electronics, ad nauseum, it won't look like you think from seeing the pictures and reading the descriptions. Even if it's a wreck when you get in front of the real thing, or anything short of perfect, you'll like what you see in the pictures much more than the reality, because the pictures can't show the nitty gritty... Or, you can ask the broker a lot of very pointed questions to try to get to the reality. If you're not going to be looking at many boats, it may be worth your while to do that. However, if there's several to many in a given market, making an appointment with a broker to handle all of the listings which you want to see, for you, and just going and seeing them, will be quicker and much more educational. You'll also find the broker more willing to talk about what they know in that environment, than taking time to answer a lot of questions on the phone. Then, too, unless it's their listing, and even then, perhaps not, often they'll know very little about the boat, so you might not get meaningful information in any event. Look for other posts of mine in the archives to get a feel for why I go on like that. It's a long process, unless you've got boatloads (pardon the expression) of money, and getting aboard is more important than things being how you'd like them, in which case, nearly anything in whatever price range you may have will do. I'm very glad to say that I'm on the home stretch in our search. It's been quite an adventure, as any long-timers here can attest :{)) [handlebars and full beard, tm] L8R Skip -- "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain "Helimech" wrote in message news:tKoCb.375063$275.1216396@attbi_s53... Thanks to all for some great info. As they say, "Let the games begin" JC "Helimech" wrote in message news:zO8zb.401035$Tr4.1153600@attbi_s03... What's the proper way to view boats that I see on internet sites. Do I call and make an appointment with the broker or is it customary to just go there and walk in to the office and announce that you want to look at several boats. I'm very early in the process and just want to get a feel of the size boat I'd be comfortable living in. I know its somewhere between 40 and 50 foot. Also what kind of response do you normally get when the broker learns you aren't buying anytime soon? Sorry for the newbee questions. JC |
Viewing a boat.
I might add, having just done a huge amount of what it sounds like you're
about to do, that you can take any YachtWorld or other broker's information with enough rock salt to recharge a water softener. Aside from the raw specifications, what you see will rarely match the description - and frequently the raw specifications won't be accurate, either. If you don't already know what boat (make, model) and other specifications you want, visiting the boats you *think* will work will be a real education. It's not really the brokers' fault. Pictures can't show the detail that your eye will see, nor can the broker, without taking an inordinate amount of time, convey the level of information which would really tell you the story of a boat. You have to go rummage around it yourself. However, if it's not a new boat, you can largely assume that the picture will look better than reality. Unless the boat's actually truly been very recently totally rehabbed, with new upholstery, cushions, whatever sort of window treatments may be there, hatches, ports, non-skid, varnish, countertops, running and standing rigging and sails, bottom treatment, rebuilt or new engine and electronics, ad nauseum, it won't look like you think from seeing the pictures and reading the descriptions. Even if it's a wreck when you get in front of the real thing, or anything short of perfect, you'll like what you see in the pictures much more than the reality, because the pictures can't show the nitty gritty... Or, you can ask the broker a lot of very pointed questions to try to get to the reality. If you're not going to be looking at many boats, it may be worth your while to do that. However, if there's several to many in a given market, making an appointment with a broker to handle all of the listings which you want to see, for you, and just going and seeing them, will be quicker and much more educational. You'll also find the broker more willing to talk about what they know in that environment, than taking time to answer a lot of questions on the phone. Then, too, unless it's their listing, and even then, perhaps not, often they'll know very little about the boat, so you might not get meaningful information in any event. Look for other posts of mine in the archives to get a feel for why I go on like that. It's a long process, unless you've got boatloads (pardon the expression) of money, and getting aboard is more important than things being how you'd like them, in which case, nearly anything in whatever price range you may have will do. I'm very glad to say that I'm on the home stretch in our search. It's been quite an adventure, as any long-timers here can attest :{)) [handlebars and full beard, tm] L8R Skip -- "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain "Helimech" wrote in message news:tKoCb.375063$275.1216396@attbi_s53... Thanks to all for some great info. As they say, "Let the games begin" JC "Helimech" wrote in message news:zO8zb.401035$Tr4.1153600@attbi_s03... What's the proper way to view boats that I see on internet sites. Do I call and make an appointment with the broker or is it customary to just go there and walk in to the office and announce that you want to look at several boats. I'm very early in the process and just want to get a feel of the size boat I'd be comfortable living in. I know its somewhere between 40 and 50 foot. Also what kind of response do you normally get when the broker learns you aren't buying anytime soon? Sorry for the newbee questions. JC |
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Skip Gundlach wrote:
I might add, having just done a huge amount of what it sounds like you're about to do, that you can take any YachtWorld or other broker's information with enough rock salt to recharge a water softener. Aside from the raw specifications, what you see will rarely match the description - and frequently the raw specifications won't be accurate, either. If you don't already know what boat (make, model) and other specifications you want, visiting the boats you *think* will work will be a real education. I think that anyone who is looking for a used boat ought to memorize those two paragraphs! There are few things more frustrating than driving for hours to see a boat that has been completely misrepresented on yachtworld and on the phone. We learned to use use the following process... 1. Find a boat that looks like it might fit your needs. 2. Find an owner's group for that boat - preferably on the net. 3. Read *all* the archives for the owner's group and find the common problems. 4. Locate and read any "used boat reviews" in the magazines. 5. Finally, if you're still interested, go and look at the boat. Most owners love their boats and hate to say bad things about them. However, they'll talk about problems with other owners. This is the info you want to seek out. I believe this process saved us a lot of time by eliminating interesting boats with serious design or construction issues. It allowed us to ask useful questions over the phone. It also gave us enough info to know what we should be looking at when we went down to the dock. We don't pretend to be surveyors, but we did find a lot of otherwise hidden "deal breakers" within a few minutes of stepping on the boat just because we knew where to look. Cindy -- the return email is a spam trap send legit emails to cindy_at_ballreich_dot_net |
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Skip Gundlach wrote:
I might add, having just done a huge amount of what it sounds like you're about to do, that you can take any YachtWorld or other broker's information with enough rock salt to recharge a water softener. Aside from the raw specifications, what you see will rarely match the description - and frequently the raw specifications won't be accurate, either. If you don't already know what boat (make, model) and other specifications you want, visiting the boats you *think* will work will be a real education. I think that anyone who is looking for a used boat ought to memorize those two paragraphs! There are few things more frustrating than driving for hours to see a boat that has been completely misrepresented on yachtworld and on the phone. We learned to use use the following process... 1. Find a boat that looks like it might fit your needs. 2. Find an owner's group for that boat - preferably on the net. 3. Read *all* the archives for the owner's group and find the common problems. 4. Locate and read any "used boat reviews" in the magazines. 5. Finally, if you're still interested, go and look at the boat. Most owners love their boats and hate to say bad things about them. However, they'll talk about problems with other owners. This is the info you want to seek out. I believe this process saved us a lot of time by eliminating interesting boats with serious design or construction issues. It allowed us to ask useful questions over the phone. It also gave us enough info to know what we should be looking at when we went down to the dock. We don't pretend to be surveyors, but we did find a lot of otherwise hidden "deal breakers" within a few minutes of stepping on the boat just because we knew where to look. Cindy -- the return email is a spam trap send legit emails to cindy_at_ballreich_dot_net |
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WaIIy wrote: On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:43:07 GMT, "Skip Gundlach" u wrote: Even if it's a wreck when you get in front of the real thing, or anything short of perfect, you'll like what you see in the pictures much more than the reality, because the pictures can't show the nitty gritty... I agree with you when looking at pictures of boats for sale. I find that taking a lot of my own pictures of a boat I'm interested really helps. There are things you don't notice or remember until you really study the pictures you took. A friend of mine has done this to the nth degree. She had a standard set of pictures that she took of each boat, and in addition, she stuck her camera into every opening that opened and took a picture of what was in there. Then she got them developed at a one hour place, and put them in an album with the spec sheet from the broker in the front of that section - sometimes labeled with arrows pointing to problem areas (such as a blister or a cracked port). She said she sometimes saw evidence of water damage that she missed in person. I used to do OSHA inspections, and I took lots of pictures also - I often found violations in the photos that I had totally missed in person. (One time when I was a trainee out with another inspector, my picture showed a 2nd floor space without a door, and with no stairs. They got up there by extension ladder extended as far as it would go.) Video tape IMHO isn't really very good for this sort of thing. grandma Rosalie |
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WaIIy wrote: On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:43:07 GMT, "Skip Gundlach" u wrote: Even if it's a wreck when you get in front of the real thing, or anything short of perfect, you'll like what you see in the pictures much more than the reality, because the pictures can't show the nitty gritty... I agree with you when looking at pictures of boats for sale. I find that taking a lot of my own pictures of a boat I'm interested really helps. There are things you don't notice or remember until you really study the pictures you took. A friend of mine has done this to the nth degree. She had a standard set of pictures that she took of each boat, and in addition, she stuck her camera into every opening that opened and took a picture of what was in there. Then she got them developed at a one hour place, and put them in an album with the spec sheet from the broker in the front of that section - sometimes labeled with arrows pointing to problem areas (such as a blister or a cracked port). She said she sometimes saw evidence of water damage that she missed in person. I used to do OSHA inspections, and I took lots of pictures also - I often found violations in the photos that I had totally missed in person. (One time when I was a trainee out with another inspector, my picture showed a 2nd floor space without a door, and with no stairs. They got up there by extension ladder extended as far as it would go.) Video tape IMHO isn't really very good for this sort of thing. grandma Rosalie |
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