Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.
What's your experience? How does it handle heavy weather? What are the
common problems with these boats?
Thanks a lot
Petr

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote:
Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.


what year?
how much does it weigh?
are you going to sail it there?
how old are you?
can you run four 10 minute miles?
can you do 25 push ups?
can you do five pull ups?

bob

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Jun 11, 4:57 am, Bob wrote:
On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote:

Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.

what year?
how much does it weigh?
are you going to sail it there?
how old are you?
can you run four 10 minute miles?
can you do 25 push ups?
can you do five pull ups?

bob

hilarious, thanks a lot

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

Bob wrote:
On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote:
Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.


what year?
how much does it weigh?
are you going to sail it there?
how old are you?
can you run four 10 minute miles?
can you do 25 push ups?
can you do five pull ups?

bob

Here we go again
See
http://ussvdharma.net/

And
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/...ws/local03.prt

Gordon

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:26:29 -0700, Gordon wrote:

Bob wrote:
On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote:
Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.

There is an Islander 40, a similar size boat in my marina, in
Thailand. The couple sailed it from California and live on it about 6
months a year. No reason you can't do the same.


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Jun 10, 1:57 pm, Bob wrote:
On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote:

Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.

what year?
how much does it weigh?
are you going to sail it there?
how old are you?
can you run four 10 minute miles?
can you do 25 push ups?
can you do five pull ups?

bob

Now, if you don't even know how much the boat weighs, you are barely
in a position to give advice on any of the questions asked, are you?

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Jun 11, 8:06 am, Bruce wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:26:29 -0700, Gordon wrote:
Bob wrote:
On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote:
Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.

There is an Islander 40, a similar size boat in my marina, in
Thailand. The couple sailed it from California and live on it about 6
months a year. No reason you can't do the same.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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Thanks a lot for the links and inspiration
Petr

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Jun 11, 2:32 pm, wrote:
On Jun 10, 1:57 pm, Bob wrote:

On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote:

Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.

what year?
how much does it weigh?
are you going to sail it there?
how old are you?
can you run four 10 minute miles?
can you do 25 push ups?
can you do five pull ups?

bob

Now, if you don't even know how much the boat weighs, you are barely
in a position to give advice on any of the questions asked, are you?

Thanks

actually I was asking more about the actual experience with this
particular boat. I know that this is basically very good boat probably
quite suitable for what I have in mind, I am just trying to find out,
what problems problems people had with it. Like poor ventilation for
tropics etc. Practical ideas.
Thanks
Petr

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:09:53 -0000, klubko
wrote:

On Jun 11, 2:32 pm, wrote:
On Jun 10, 1:57 pm, Bob wrote:

On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote:

Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.

what year?
how much does it weigh?
are you going to sail it there?
how old are you?
can you run four 10 minute miles?
can you do 25 push ups?
can you do five pull ups?

bob

Now, if you don't even know how much the boat weighs, you are barely
in a position to give advice on any of the questions asked, are you?

Thanks

actually I was asking more about the actual experience with this
particular boat. I know that this is basically very good boat probably
quite suitable for what I have in mind, I am just trying to find out,
what problems problems people had with it. Like poor ventilation for
tropics etc. Practical ideas.
Thanks
Petr

If you want practical ideas, I've been living aboard in Singapore,
Malaysia and Thailand for the past 10 years.

Problems you are going to face a

Assuming you are at anchor:

All sail boats of the type you envision have poor ventilation. Opening
the forward hatch gets some air flow but also lets in the mosquitos
and screens cut down airflow by a surprising amount.

12 Volt fans don't move a lot of air but help. They also run your
batteries down.

Refrigeration. Either you are going to carry ice (not always
available) or you are going to have a fridge, or you are going
shopping everyday. I'd recommend a 12 VDC fridge.

On the type of boat you are thinking about there probably isn't a
generator set. A Honda, or Chinese made copy, will do everything you
need.

Water! Water is a problem. It is heavy and not always available. Plan
on lugging 20 Ltrs a day and learn how to sanitize it.

Renewable power. In SEA wind generators are of limited value - not
enough wind. Solar panels, on the other hand work a treat.

Getting back and forth to shore. You will need a dinghy and reliable 2
- 3 HP motor. Dinghys do get stolen from time to time.

Assuming you are in a marina:

You can have a window air con blowing down the front hatch and live
comfortable. Big 220 VAC fans move a lot of air.

Water no longer is a problem. Just turn on the tap.

Visas:

If you are from N. America or the EU then:

Indonesia is not very hospital with many and varied immigration
regulations. You need a cruising permit to take your boat there.
Bribery and Corruption is a way of life there.

Singapo Gives you a 2 week Seaman's Visa. Staying longer is
possible but complicated. Go to the Seaman's section of Immigrations
and they will give you exact instructions. No bribery or corruption.

Malaysia: 90 day visa after which you must leave the country and
return for a new 90 days. I lived there for more then a year leaving
for the day every three months. No problems. Very little bribery at
the level you will be operating at.

Thailand: 30 days upon entry which is renewable for a limited number
of months by leaving and returning. Complex visa regulations. Contact
a Thai Embassy BEFORE you arrive in Thailand will undoubtedly make the
procedure less complex. Bribery is a complex subject here. It exists
but can only help in some cases. If you have overstayed your visa a
bit of dosh might get you a day or so extension so you don;t have to
pay a fine but won;t get you another 30 days.

Hope that helps a bit.







Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Jun 9, 12:43 pm, klubko wrote:
.... Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
...
What's your experience? How does it handle heavy weather? What are the common problems with these boats?
....

In case you haven't already looked this up:
http://www.ericsonyachts.org/mainframe.htm

There's quite a bit of discussions there by Ericson owners. The boat
registry page shows 17 owners of the 39. From what little I understand
Ericsons are genericly very good boats but, as I think you already
know, it depends on how an individual boat was built by a particular
builder and how she has been looked after thereafter, so knowing how
to select and inspect even before the surveyor stage is a must. Books
on these topics are very interesting.

Good luck. See you on the water somewhere some time.
--
Solo Thesailor
http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Jun 11, 7:05 pm, Solo Thesailor
wrote:
On Jun 9, 12:43 pm, klubko wrote:

.... Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
...
What's your experience? How does it handle heavy weather? What are the common problems with these boats?
....

In case you haven't already looked this up:http://www.ericsonyachts.org/mainframe.htm

There's quite a bit of discussions there by Ericson owners. The boat
registry page shows 17 owners of the 39. From what little I understand
Ericsons are genericly very good boats but, as I think you already
know, it depends on how an individual boat was built by a particular
builder and how she has been looked after thereafter, so knowing how
to select and inspect even before the surveyor stage is a must. Books
on these topics are very interesting.

Good luck. See you on the water somewhere some time.
--
Solo Thesailorhttp://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com


Thanks a lot I hope it will be sooner than I think it will be ;)

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Jun 10, 11:32 pm, wrote:
On Jun 10, 1:57 pm, Bob wrote:

On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote:

what year?
how much does it weigh?
are you going to sail it there?
how old are you?
can you run four 10 minute miles?
can you do 25 push ups?
can you do five pull ups?

Now, if you don't even know how much the boat weighs, you are barely
in a position to give advice on any of the questions asked, are you?

To be honest I really don't pay much attention to Ericksons or Macs
for that matter. They just dont interest me. There is a 70s Ericson
two slips down that hasn't moved in 8 years. Beautiful interior.
That's all I know about them.

I also remember two blind people sailing through the Oregon coast last
year on some "vision quest." ANd heck even Skip & Lydia went sailing
too. There is a guy in an Oregon marina who lives on a 40 something
foot ketch so fat the term Morbidly Obese is more accurate. He is so
big he can not fit through any of hatches. He limits the times he goes
through the companion way door cause it takes about one minute plus to
squeeze through. He pretty much is exhausted just getting to the
cockpit. But "he sailed" it there a few years ago.

So go for it and if you have second thoughts about an Ericson get one
of those seaworthy built and mathematically qualified for "blue water"
boats like the Mac26. I hear a Mac 26 makes a GREAT sea boat capable
of ALL OCEANS travel! At least someone who cross posted here said it
could.

And with the Disability Act about to require Passenger Vessels and
charter boats have wheelchair access might as well get that Ericson
equipped with wheel chair ramps, brail on the DC load center and
electronics for the blind, and rewrite any manuals so the Dee-Dee-Dees
can understand it. Oh, and dont forget to take along three children
all under 4 yo, and two dogs cause they are just like members of our
family, and of course lavish all adults with an arrogant self centered
personality and liberal amounts of rum cause real sailors always drink
excessive amounts of rum.

That should make for a very capable and dependable crew. They
certainly have the right to go sailing around the world. And I support
their right fully to do so......................

Bob

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Jun 11, 1:48 am, Bruce wrote:

wrote:

If you want practical ideas, I've been living aboard in Singapore,
Malaysia and Thailand for the past 10 years.

Problems you are going to face a

Assuming you are at anchor:

All sail boats of the type you envision have poor ventilation. Opening
the forward hatch gets some air flow but also lets in the mosquitos
and screens cut down airflow by a surprising amount.

12 Volt fans don't move a lot of air but help. They also run your
batteries down.

Refrigeration. Either you are going to carry ice (not always
available) or you are going to have a fridge, or you are going
shopping everyday. I'd recommend a 12 VDC fridge.

On the type of boat you are thinking about there probably isn't a
generator set. A Honda, or Chinese made copy, will do everything you
need.

Water! Water is a problem. It is heavy and not always available. Plan
on lugging 20 Ltrs a day and learn how to sanitize it.

Renewable power. In SEA wind generators are of limited value - not
enough wind. Solar panels, on the other hand work a treat.

Getting back and forth to shore. You will need a dinghy and reliable 2
- 3 HP motor. Dinghys do get stolen from time to time.

Assuming you are in a marina:

You can have a window air con blowing down the front hatch and live
comfortable. Big 220 VAC fans move a lot of air.

Water no longer is a problem. Just turn on the tap.

Visas:

If you are from N. America or the EU then:

Indonesia is not very hospital with many and varied immigration
regulations. You need a cruising permit to take your boat there.
Bribery and Corruption is a way of life there.

Singapo Gives you a 2 week Seaman's Visa. Staying longer is
possible but complicated. Go to the Seaman's section of Immigrations
and they will give you exact instructions. No bribery or corruption.

Malaysia: 90 day visa after which you must leave the country and
return for a new 90 days. I lived there for more then a year leaving
for the day every three months. No problems. Very little bribery at
the level you will be operating at.

Thailand: 30 days upon entry which is renewable for a limited number
of months by leaving and returning. Complex visa regulations. Contact
a Thai Embassy BEFORE you arrive in Thailand will undoubtedly make the
procedure less complex. Bribery is a complex subject here. It exists
but can only help in some cases. If you have overstayed your visa a
bit of dosh might get you a day or so extension so you don;t have to
pay a fine but won;t get you another 30 days.

Hope that helps a bit.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)



Bruce, excellent post.

I have one question. With the bugs, heat, visitor/in-transit
requirments, why did you chose that area compared to any other spot in
the world?

Bob

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

"Bob" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Jun 11, 1:48 am, Bruce wrote:

Bruce, excellent post.

I have one question. With the bugs, heat, visitor/in-transit
requirments, why did you chose that area compared to any other spot in
the world?

Bob, I guess you have neverbeen to Thailand. I lived for a number of years
in Japan and truly loved it, but I think I am changing over to loving
Thailand a bit more. Plus the food is great.

Leanne

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Jun 11, 9:22 am, "Leanne" wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message

oups.com...


Bob, I guess you have neverbeen to Thailand. I lived for a number of years
in Japan and truly loved it, but I think I am changing over to loving
Thailand a bit more. Plus the food is great.

Leanne

Hi Leanne:

Very true, never been in that area. That is why I asked. I have fished
with a group out of hakodate Hokidio for a while. Interesting guys.
food was good if ya liked boiled snails, pacific cod testical soup,
and bering sea sculpin head soup. Ummm.

So what is so enjoyable about that area. I was talking to John Holmes
ex girlfriend who lived there for a while in the 80s. She seemed to
like it too. so what gives? What kept you there?

Bob

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

Hi Leanne:

Very true, never been in that area. That is why I asked. I have fished
with a group out of hakodate Hokidio for a while. Interesting guys.
food was good if ya liked boiled snails, pacific cod testical soup,
and bering sea sculpin head soup. Ummm.

So what is so enjoyable about that area. I was talking to John Holmes
ex girlfriend who lived there for a while in the 80s. She seemed to
like it too. so what gives? What kept you there?

I have been all over the country and loved the people and food. Everything
is rather laid back,
but not as bad as in Central America. My last trip was the first time in
Phuket. If I was 20 years
younger, I think I could very easily settle there. Nice climate, cost of
living good and top
medical available.

Leanne

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

klubko wrote:
Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.
What's your experience? How does it handle heavy weather? What are the
common problems with these boats?
Thanks a lot
Petr

They are well built, heavy boats that have a decent interior.

They are squirly off the wind in a blow, and would be a handful with two
people at just about any time. Big sails, heavy loads, big heavy
everything.

A very nice boat that was fun to race 20 years ago. I'd buy something
smaller.

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Jun 10, 3:19 pm, klubko wrote:

what year?

bob


hilarious, thanks a lot


Hey ClubCo:

What is so "hilarious" about being reasonably ambulatory for a world
cruise. As one earlier poster noted, ".... here we go again...!" I
agree, and also ask, why do people get soooooo argumentative when
fitness is considered as part of pre-cruise planning?

I may lie out of the 2nd SD but...................
Bob

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Jun 10, 4:26 pm, Gordon wrote:
Bob wrote:
On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote:
Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.

what year?
how much does it weigh?
are you going to sail it there?
how old are you?
can you run four 10 minute miles?
can you do 25 push ups?
can you do five pull ups?

bob

Here we go again
Seehttp://ussvdharma.net/

Andhttp://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/articles/2005/06/06/local_news/lo...

Gordon- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Hi Gordon:

Agreed...... lots of old feble, fat, fair, and over fifty people do
it. As I mentined even a blind pair went sailing past the west coast a
few months ago. But I gots to ask: If its such a good idea why does it
typically result in such a media splash? In other words, if its so
normal and common why such attention as if it is a news worth?????

Bob

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Jun 13, 11:05 am, Bob wrote:
On Jun 10, 3:19 pm, klubko wrote:

what year?
bob

hilarious, thanks a lot

Hey ClubCo:

What is so "hilarious" about being reasonably ambulatory for a world
cruise. As one earlier poster noted, ".... here we go again...!" I
agree, and also ask, why do people get soooooo argumentative when
fitness is considered as part of pre-cruise planning?

I may lie out of the 2nd SD but...................
Bob

Bob,
I dare to say that I was asking clearly about a particular boat and
personal experience with it. I just don't see how I could have asked
more clearly.
Best
Petr

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

Bob wrote:
On Jun 10, 4:26 pm, Gordon wrote:
Bob wrote:
On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote:
Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.
what year?
how much does it weigh?
are you going to sail it there?
how old are you?
can you run four 10 minute miles?
can you do 25 push ups?
can you do five pull ups?
bob
Here we go again
Seehttp://ussvdharma.net/

Andhttp://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/articles/2005/06/06/local_news/lo...

Gordon- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Hi Gordon:

Agreed...... lots of old feble, fat, fair, and over fifty people do
it. As I mentined even a blind pair went sailing past the west coast a
few months ago. But I gots to ask: If its such a good idea why does it
typically result in such a media splash? In other words, if its so
normal and common why such attention as if it is a news worth?????

Bob


I get your point but sailing today is easier than ever. Roller
furling, electric winches, GPS, Solar panels, satellite communications
etc etc. Sailing doesn't have to be physically challenging anymore.
Mentally is another story. Old timers disease won't cut it.
G

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Jun 13, 9:31 am, Jim wrote:
klubko wrote:
Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.
What's your experience? How does it handle heavy weather? What are the
common problems with these boats?
Thanks a lot
Petr

They are well built, heavy boats that have a decent interior.

They are squirly off the wind in a blow, and would be a handful with two
people at just about any time. Big sails, heavy loads, big heavy
everything.

A very nice boat that was fun to race 20 years ago. I'd buy something
smaller.

Thanks Jim,
we are also looking at smaller boats, just being little concerned
about the space, tankage etc.
Thanks a lot, we will think it through again
Petr

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

* klubko wrote, On 6/13/2007 1:39 AM:
On Jun 13, 11:05 am, Bob wrote:
On Jun 10, 3:19 pm, klubko wrote:

what year?
bob
hilarious, thanks a lot
Hey ClubCo:

What is so "hilarious" about being reasonably ambulatory for a world
cruise. As one earlier poster noted, ".... here we go again...!" I
agree, and also ask, why do people get soooooo argumentative when
fitness is considered as part of pre-cruise planning?

I may lie out of the 2nd SD but...................
Bob

Bob,
I dare to say that I was asking clearly about a particular boat and
personal experience with it. I just don't see how I could have asked
more clearly.

That may be the question asked, but once its out there on a public
forum, it belongs to everyone. And when you don't know the answer to
a question, its easier to just change the question!

And besides, we have an obligation to the thousands of lurkers out
there. If we simply answered the questions, that would imply tacit
approval for anyone to go cruising without passing our inspection.

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

I used to race one 20 years ago. Downwind with the spinnaker up in heavy air
was quite exciting to put it mildly. We were usually barely in control or
totally out of control most of the time.

"klubko" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jun 13, 9:31 am, Jim wrote:
klubko wrote:
Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.
What's your experience? How does it handle heavy weather? What are the
common problems with these boats?
Thanks a lot
Petr

They are well built, heavy boats that have a decent interior.

They are squirly off the wind in a blow, and would be a handful with two
people at just about any time. Big sails, heavy loads, big heavy
everything.

A very nice boat that was fun to race 20 years ago. I'd buy something
smaller.

Thanks Jim,
we are also looking at smaller boats, just being little concerned
about the space, tankage etc.
Thanks a lot, we will think it through again
Petr

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

They are well built, heavy boats that have a decent interior.

They are squirly off the wind in a blow, and would be a handful with two

we are also looking at smaller boats, just being little concerned
about the space, tankage etc.

Hello to Jeff and ClubCo:

First a comment to Jeff...........

Are you supporting a peer reviewed forum where anybody can chew at a
post and all responses are considered in an effort to bring ALL
aspects of a problem to light and debate???? Doesnt that run counter
to Group Think?

Good on mate! I agree wit u Jeff belief !

Now, back to ClubCo's Ericson 39 information request......
I dont want to start a name calling ****ing match that typically
starts in sailing.asa. So please read for the writer's intent here.

The reason I asked about the E39s basic scantlings and your physical
condition is that the two are inter dependent. You asked if that boat
was easonable to take you and your wife across the world. If you are
in a wheel chair I would recomend a 4 week tour package with a
skippered charter inbetwen the tour bus adventures. Now if you and
your spouse can actually run four 10 min miles and do 20 push ups your
options of boats just increased dramatically.

But you seemed not able to make that implied assocation in my original
post. So what does that mean?

SOmething to consider............. Donna Lang just finished a solo
round the world trip in a 26' somthing, or was it 28'?

She flurished when other boater's trips perished in the same weather.
Now, why do you think that was possible?

My question to you ClubCo is do you have the same sized balls as an
old granny? SOme say the E39 is a handfull. After looking at some of
the specs fo rthe 70s boats Id say they were designed for a lot of fun/
daysailing/sorta racing within 3 miles of shore. But then again there
was the Ra and the Kontiki and various other rafts, rowboats, and
barrels that seemed to do just fine.

Personally, think westsail 32. NOw there is a boat that will get you
there. I checed one of the webn broakers: 21 wre listed from $30K-
$90K "...Oh, [insert whine] there isnt enough tankage for my daily
showers... and its just too small...." Then I suggest you look to
Carnaval Cruise Inc.

Bob

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

* Bob wrote, On 6/13/2007 2:18 PM:
They are well built, heavy boats that have a decent interior.
They are squirly off the wind in a blow, and would be a handful with two

we are also looking at smaller boats, just being little concerned
about the space, tankage etc.

Hello to Jeff and ClubCo:

First a comment to Jeff...........

Are you supporting a peer reviewed forum where anybody can chew at a
post and all responses are considered in an effort to bring ALL
aspects of a problem to light and debate???? Doesnt that run counter
to Group Think?

Good on mate! I agree wit u Jeff belief !

Actually I was making a lame joke, but what you said sounds like fun, too!

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Jun 14, 2:18 am, Bob wrote:
They are well built, heavy boats that have a decent interior.

They are squirly off the wind in a blow, and would be a handful with two
we are also looking at smaller boats, just being little concerned
about the space, tankage etc.

Hello to Jeff and ClubCo:

First a comment to Jeff...........

Are you supporting a peer reviewed forum where anybody can chew at a
post and all responses are considered in an effort to bring ALL
aspects of a problem to light and debate???? Doesnt that run counter
to Group Think?

Good on mate! I agree wit u Jeff belief !

Now, back to ClubCo's Ericson 39 information request......
I dont want to start a name calling ****ing match that typically
starts in sailing.asa. So please read for the writer's intent here.

The reason I asked about the E39s basic scantlings and your physical
condition is that the two are inter dependent. You asked if that boat
was easonable to take you and your wife across the world. If you are
in a wheel chair I would recomend a 4 week tour package with a
skippered charter inbetwen the tour bus adventures. Now if you and
your spouse can actually run four 10 min miles and do 20 push ups your
options of boats just increased dramatically.

But you seemed not able to make that implied assocation in my original
post. So what does that mean?

SOmething to consider............. Donna Lang just finished a solo
round the world trip in a 26' somthing, or was it 28'?

She flurished when other boater's trips perished in the same weather.
Now, why do you think that was possible?

My question to you ClubCo is do you have the same sized balls as an
old granny? SOme say the E39 is a handfull. After looking at some of
the specs fo rthe 70s boats Id say they were designed for a lot of fun/
daysailing/sorta racing within 3 miles of shore. But then again there
was the Ra and the Kontiki and various other rafts, rowboats, and
barrels that seemed to do just fine.

Personally, think westsail 32. NOw there is a boat that will get you
there. I checed one of the webn broakers: 21 wre listed from $30K-
$90K "...Oh, [insert whine] there isnt enough tankage for my daily
showers... and its just too small...." Then I suggest you look to
Carnaval Cruise Inc.

Bob


Bob,
any particular reason to change my login name to "clubco"? Please...
I understand your questions and I understand that health and phisical
strenth are important, but let that be my worries... I was really
asking for some experience with this particular boat. I know my
limits, but I didnt know the boat's. It is quite clear that you know
nothing about it (apart from you've heard/read), so perhaps your time
would be better invested on some other posts or go sailing (no offence
meant ;)).
But thanks for the Westsail 32 suggestion, we will give it a thought,
but it seems little too small for our purposes.
Best
Petr

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:33:22 -0000, klubko
wrote:

But thanks for the Westsail 32 suggestion, we will give it a thought,
but it seems little too small for our purposes.

You might be surprised. The WetSnail 32 is a big heavy boat for its
length, not known for its speed of course, but a far better choice for
world cruising than an Ericson 39.

The Ericson 39 was a decent boat in its day but was primarily designed
as a coastal racer/cruiser.

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

Bob,
any particular reason to change my login name to "clubco"?

Not really...

Please...
I know my
limits, but I didnt know the boat's.

ANd that is what I was getting to. We can look at the specs on the net
or go watch one at a marina or the water. But the marrage/fit between:
boat - operator(s) - intended use - area of operation are 2/3 in your
hands. So anyone's advice is signifacanlty biased. Just my attempt to
get a feel for who you are........

My personal preferences, based on my physial abilty, area of operation
bla bla.... would be a Westsnail 32 with out a doubt. There was a time
in my life I lusted over a 20' fiberglass Flicka. Was going to go
around the world. But poverty prevented that idea. Now I have a Freya
39. Lovely boat for what I do and plan on doing next summer.

So be very catuious about asking for opinion here. Someone will likely
recomend a Mac 26 for world cruising.

It is quite clear that you know
nothing about it (apart from you've heard/read),

Not to far off. I have walked all over a 70s 34'-36 Eric for a few
years and been inside oneone a couple times. even been under one while
it sat in the water. I assume its bigger sister is about the same: A
very nice coastal cruiser needing a port if it your in a Beaurfort 6
http://ioc.unesco.org/oceanteacher/O...t/SeaState.htm


so perhaps your time
would be better invested on some other posts or go sailing (no offence
meant ;)).

Ya, most liklely true. But just really board right now. My house will
be for sale this month and the realtor said paint the bare wood. I
hate painting, well actually the preasure wash, scrap, sand, prime bal
bla.
After the house sells I wont be such a bother. Then I get to fininsh a
couple boat projects then head west

But thanks for the Westsail 32 suggestion, we will give it a thought,

Please do............. They are a very easy boat to ride for their
size and EXTREAMLY stout. The only thing I dont like is that big sprit
on the bow. Same for the Ingrid and Alajuela. That is why I got the
Freya. No 10 foot railroad tie bolted to the bow. I've sailed, crewed,
and spent about a month total time just yaking on three diffrent ones.
very nice boats.....

Go here for some accurate advice about crusing boats.

http://www.mahina.com/boats.html

ANd please dont even get me started when some one calls them "slow" Ya
gat to ask, compared to what and will 2 knots really make that big a
deal?????? Oh, but you can out run a storm in a faster
boat............. Ha!


but it seems little too small for our purposes.

What ar eyour purposes. To sail some place or to live some place. the
two goals are in conflect. I fyou want a good live aboard get a 85' x
24 x 13 steel gulf shrimpper with a 540 HP CAT 3412. Now that is a
liveaboard!!! they are going real cheep now. A steal at $120-150,000
But filling the 15,000 gal fuel tank is somthing else....$$ 45,000 for
a fill-up. Gasp.

Best

And best to you too. Just dont chew this one to the bone. Get a West
sail and go have some safe fun. When your wife doesnt like sailing she
will give you the, I hate sailing! Its that damn boat or me! I hope
you make the right choice. You'll have that much more room ! I
did.............. and it was the best choice I ever made :)

Best to you and your search.

Board Bob

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Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

Thanks for nice post (and thanks to Wayne too)
Actually the light wind performance seems to bother people so I am
being very causcious here. But I have found some posts on sailnet.net
saying that it takes little practice to tack on WS32, but that it's
not really that slow... of course another post saying: most of the
westsail 32 cruisers told me that they have to motor most of the time :
(
As for ericson 39's ability to handle heavy weather, there are few
salty stories showing that it's actually rather good boat (and also
good for breeze), cf. http://www.ericsonyachts.org/infoexc...cson+knockdown,
Guy Stevens' post.
We still have a year or so before the actual purchase so we are still
quite open minded to anything. As for the use, I take back that
westsail 32 would be too small, I was too hasty to click. I don't find
the double-ended boats much appealing either, but I if I could get one
I wouldn't mind at all. Just cosmetics.
Thank
Petr

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

My personal preferences, based on my physial abilty, area of operation
bla bla.... would be a Westsnail 32 with out a doubt. There was a time
in my life I lusted over a 20' fiberglass Flicka. Was going to go
around the world. But poverty prevented that idea. Now I have a Freya
39. Lovely boat for what I do and plan on doing next summer.
\

Actually, that is Wet Snail. Nice ride but wet!
Gordon

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Jun 14, 12:13 am, klubko wrote:
Thanks for nice post (and thanks to Wayne too)
Actually the light wind performance seems to bother people so......

NOt sure what you mean hear. DO you mean that some people believe that
boats that perform well in light wind are suspect and should be
avoided?


But I have found some posts on sailnet.net
saying that it takes little practice to tack on WS32,

Predictable, stable are words I would use. With that much weight its
got good momentum to continue in a turn. That's why you got to drive
some light boats through a turn. I had a 15 sailing dory that simply
would not tack unless I hoped over to the future lee side at a very
specific time. Something about increased wetted area and drag caused
the tack. Actually in a good small boat (under 20') its possible to
sail it with out a rudder. Just use sail and movable ballast (body)
adjustments and tack away.

but that it's
not really that slow...


Fast and slow are extremely abstract, equivable, opinion language.
What is fast?
Is fast 25 K
14K is slow compared to 25k but fast compared to 6.5.
9.5K
6.5K
4.8K is just right if the 9.5 K boat can only do 3.5K in a the same
conditins where the 4.8 is designed to sustain a comphy ride.

Personally im there for the ride. Id rather lose 3-4 days on a leg and
gain a safe, steady, easy to handle trip.

of course another post saying: most of the
westsail 32 cruisers told me that they have to motor most of the time :

Don't believe any thing you read here including my warped ideas of
boating.

Yea, WS32 motor around. But when your offshore and its been blowing
20-35K with gusts to 45K for a week guess what boat will be a
joy....ur maybe less of a pain to sail? Its all about:
AREAS OF OPERATION. What are the sea conditions you'll spend 51% of
your time?

As for ericson 39's ability to handle heavy weather, there are few
salty stories showing that it's actually rather good boat (and also
good for breeze), cf.http://www.ericsonyachts.org/infoexc...p?t=3900&highl...,
Guy Stevens' post.

I would be very cautious reading a website dedicated to those who love
a boat. Also ask yourself, where is the majority of the poster's
sailing experience?

Here is a good exercise. Read Skip & Lydia's Great Adventure they
posted here. They took a 45' +/- a foot or so, boat and the wife drove
it on a FL reef. Why? They said they had experienced heavy seas that
caused all the problems that led to the grounding. Now look at the
weather reported both by Skip and NOAA. I think it was something like
12-15' seas and 20K wind.
Those numbers may be a bit off but the moral of their story was, they
were terrified and incapacitated by what we call around here a good
day for sailing. Just think Chicken Little.

We still have a year or so before the actual purchase so we are still
quite open minded to anything.

Great ! ! ! I bought my latest boat in AUG 2001. I'll have my house
sold this summer. And then be, thank God, homeless and 100% sail.

Review that Cruising Boat list link from Mahina. There are lots of
really great boats that have "fallen between the cracks" and many are
listed on the Mahina link.


As for the use, I take back that
westsail 32 would be too small, I was too hasty to click.

Think volume...

I don't find
the double-ended boats much appealing either,

O M G now this is another great debate: Double End v. Others!
I actually read some idiot say that the only reason double enders were
built was because it was the only way you could bend wood into a boat
shape. I guess he forgot about scows/barges, garveys, dorys, etc
Double ended boats are an accceptable design. I have one.

Personally I think the reason double enders are seldom made if GRP now
days........... is they arent popular i.e. marketable. And its hard to
mold a swimming ladder and a cocktail bar to the stern on a double
ender.

Hummmm, I hear those two 19 yo college kids i have painting my house
moving the ladder. Gota go. Have fun with the search and remember:
People only know what they know and most are very willing to convince
you the same.

Board Bob................but soon :)

but I if I could get one
I wouldn't mind at all. Just cosmetics.
Thank
Petr

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Jun 14, 12:17 pm, Bob wrote:
Don't believe any thing you read here including my warped ideas of
boating.

Well said :{))

Here is a good exercise. Read Skip & Lydia's Great Adventure they
posted here. They took a 45' +/- a foot or so, boat and the wife drove
it on a FL reef. Why? They said they had experienced heavy seas that
caused all the problems that led to the grounding. Now look at the
weather reported both by Skip and NOAA. I think it was something like
12-15' seas and 20K wind.
Those numbers may be a bit off but the moral of their story was, they
were terrified and incapacitated by what we call around here a good
day for sailing. Just think Chicken Little.

LOL :{))

ROFL!


Sorry - I'm not really part of this discussion - but this caught my
eye.

If you're really interested, do, indeed, read of our adventures.
However, I doubt - aside from, perhaps, from some stone-casters who
seem to know more than others who were in the area - that you'll find
much resembling the above.

We were definitely in the wrong place at the wrong time. Quite
comfortably sailing along in nasty, but not life-threatening,
conditions, nasty enough to cause departures of parts of the boat
which would otherwise remained in place if it weren't rather more than
20k. Hell, we sailed the boat for the first time, over 500 miles, in
wind that never went that (20k) low, with full 135 and main. 20k is
where she starts to come alive...

That we hit the rocks could have been avoided. Going into the weather
that NOAA neglected to mention didn't have to be any other than wet -
but it was definitely a mess, including that the Coast Guard helo
tried three different places before they could set down in it,
finally, and had put enough time on that they couldn't fly it home
before some service - and aside from that we took in the genny and
triple reefed the main, of no moment. Terror and Chicken Little were
in scant presence. It was just an adventure.

Woulda, coulda, and shoulda are of no use after the fact - so,
instead, we just went about rebuilding, and are about finished and
ready to shove off again. Are we likely to make the same mistakes
again? I don't think so. Stay tuned as to whether you agree...

Meanwhile, have fun deciding on your boat. It's a great time. We
took over two years to finalize on our type, after which we owned one
in very short order.

L8R

Skip

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Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

Don't believe any thing you read here including my warped ideas of
boating.

Well said :{))

Woulda, coulda, and shoulda are of no use after the fact - so,
instead, we just went about rebuilding, and are about finished and
ready to shove off again. Are we likely to make the same mistakes
again? I don't think so. Stay tuned as to whether you agree...
Skip


Hi SKip:

A truly level handed post to my antagonistic language. My hat is off
to you and proclaim this "Gentleman Skip" day.

I must admit The biggest blonder you did was chronicle in such detail
every step of your project. Even the grounding! My gosh
man.............. if only the Bush administration had an ounce of your
candor, transparency, discovery, and disclosure.

Iv made equally preventable blondes with one costing no doubt double
yours. The difference was I did put it on prime-time for all to
consider, critique, and use as a vicarious lesson.

Good on Skip !

But darn, next time you head out wait till there is some snotty
weather heading your way, sail out as far as you can get in 12 hours,
find the deepest water around, and as far away from any rocks, reefs,
land, and other solid objects. Then just sit there for a week and get
your sea legs. Learn how the boat moves. And learn how to move on the
boat. Oh, and no cheating using motion sickness drugs. Go cold turkey.
Then you can truely go running with Mescalito as did Carlos Castaneda.
Only in this case youll be one with the sea.

But there I go again telling you how to enjoy your boat. I apologize.

Bob

Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

Thanks everyone,
great posts. We are now completely OT (how do I rename the thread ;),
but that's OK.

to disambiguate:
Actually the light wind performance seems to bother people so......
What I mean is that WS32 is considered a slow boat in light wind
conditions, but you answered that for me... i've expanded my notes on
this boat. Thanks
Good luck with your painting

P.S. yes volume, not length, I know, and yes I've learned to be very
cautious in believing people on the internet, including you ;)
Petr

The Bob and Skip show (was) Ericson 39: Pros and Cons
 

On Jun 14, 10:58 pm, Bob wrote:

Hi SKip:

A truly level handed post to my antagonistic language. My hat is off
to you and proclaim this "Gentleman Skip" day.


:{)) Thank you sir. I try not to panic or overreact, in any case,
literary or at sea...

I must admit The biggest blonder you did was chronicle in such detail
every step of your project. Even the grounding! My gosh
man.............. if only the Bush administration had an ounce of your
candor, transparency, discovery, and disclosure.

LOL


Iv made equally preventable blondes with one costing no doubt double
yours. The difference was I did put it on prime-time for all to
consider, critique, and use as a vicarious lesson.

I'd love to hear about yours...


Good on Skip !

But darn, next time you head out wait till there is some snotty
weather heading your way, sail out as far as you can get in 12 hours,
find the deepest water around, and as far away from any rocks, reefs,
land, and other solid objects. Then just sit there for a week and get
your sea legs. Learn how the boat moves. And learn how to move on the
boat. Oh, and no cheating using motion sickness drugs. Go cold turkey.
Then you can truely go running with Mescalito as did Carlos Castaneda.
Only in this case youll be one with the sea.

But there I go again telling you how to enjoy your boat. I apologize.

Thanks for the qualifier. And, not to worry, as I agree with your
advice. It's one of the specifics I want to do. We've just not had
the opportunity yet. I've (yet to, famous last words) never been
seasick so I don't do any prep, but Lydia has yet to fully find her
sea legs (not that I'm guaranteed to have any, yet, either, cuz my
sailing is pretty limited in the scheme of things), but she's getting
much more comfortable. Once we've lived aboard and out there for a
time, I expect all will be well gastronomically with her.

So, how's Freya?


L8R

Skip

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In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter,
that's the charm of it.

Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never
get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to
do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."


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Ericson 39:. . . And MY personal choice
 

Gordon wrote:

My personal preferences, based on my physial abilty, area of operation
bla bla.... would be a Westsnail 32 with out a doubt. There was a time
in my life I lusted over a 20' fiberglass Flicka. Was going to go
around the world. But poverty prevented that idea. Now I have a Freya
39. Lovely boat for what I do and plan on doing next summer.
\


Actually, that is Wet Snail. Nice ride but wet!
Gordon

Would be a Southern Cross 31, Baba, or similar.

Ericson 39:. . . And MY personal choice
 

On Jun 17, 8:29 am, Jim wrote:
Gordon wrote:

My personal preferences, based on my physial abilty, area of operation
bla bla.... would be a Westsnail 32 with out a doubt. There was a time
in my life I lusted over a 20' fiberglass Flicka. Was going to go
around the world. But poverty prevented that idea. Now I have a Freya
39. Lovely boat for what I do and plan on doing next summer.
\

Actually, that is Wet Snail. Nice ride but wet!
Gordon

Would be a Southern Cross 31, Baba, or similar.

Gordo:

You got good tast Dude ! Nice boats............! In fact, there are
lots of super 30 yo designs out there just languashing away. I think
the hurdle to many boaters making highseas decession, as the Eric-39
guy, is so few (maybe 1:1000) real old salts walking the docks.
Although, one year I had my boat in sitting in a Port Townsend, WA
yard and a nice old gentalman walks over and asked to for his ladder
back. I appologized and said I had thought it was just a yard ladder.
He was a very plesant guy. His current boat at the time in the PT yard
was named "Endangered Species." I think one of his first boats was
named Trekka. Google thoes two boats for some background.

Again a very proper gentalman with some very interesting ideas on
cruising boat design.

Bob