Irwin 37 return from Cancun
 

My son is proposing to motorsail an Irwin 37 ketch
back from Cancun to Miami with two or three aboard
What is the most conservative route that I can propose
to him, for Mother's sake? :-)

Thanks for any suggestions


Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Irwin 37 return from Cancun
 

On Mon, 28 May 2007 21:21:25 -0500, Brian Whatcott
wrote:

My son is proposing to motorsail an Irwin 37 ketch
back from Cancun to Miami with two or three aboard
What is the most conservative route that I can propose
to him, for Mother's sake? :-)

It's pretty much of a 400+ NM straight shot to Key West, and a cake
walk to Miami from there. Just be sure to give Cuba a wide berth, at
least 20 miles, and follow the proscribed US Customs procedures.
Look for a good weather window without strong easterlies like we've
been having for the last two weeks.

http://tinyurl.com/3dwz4s

Irwin 37 return from Cancun
 

What is the most conservative route that I can propose
to him, for Mother's sake? :-)

The most "conservative route" is to cross over to Cuba. Check in,
they will be happy to see you and not stamp your passport. Then go
down the coast to Havana, there are several places to pull in along
the way if the weather is turning poor. Once in Havana, wait for a
weather window and then cross over from Havana to Key West. It is 90
miles from dock to dock. Once in the keys they can go up the inter-
coastal water way to Miami. Somewhere in the Keys they will need to
check in with US imigration/customs.

-Mark
http://goreads.com

Irwin 37 return from Cancun
 

"Mark R." wrote in message
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What is the most conservative route that I can propose
to him, for Mother's sake? :-)

The most "conservative route" is to cross over to Cuba. Check in,
they will be happy to see you and not stamp your passport. Then go
down the coast to Havana, there are several places to pull in along
the way if the weather is turning poor. Once in Havana, wait for a
weather window and then cross over from Havana to Key West. It is 90
miles from dock to dock. Once in the keys they can go up the inter-
coastal water way to Miami. Somewhere in the Keys they will need to
check in with US imigration/customs.

-Mark
http://goreads.com

How much does the Irwin 37 draws.
What would be the maximum water draft to go thought the intercostals?

Irwin 37 return from Cancun
 

On Mon, 28 May 2007 21:21:25 -0500, Brian Whatcott
wrote:

My son is proposing to motorsail an Irwin 37 ketch
back from Cancun to Miami with two or three aboard
What is the most conservative route that I can propose
to him, for Mother's sake? :-)

Thanks for any suggestions


Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Thanks to Mark and Wayne for helpful suggestions.
Easy to see that PC versus physical security and
weather protection are not pulling the same way,
near cigar country.

Brian W

Irwin 37 return from Cancun
 

Brian,

I plotted a course from Cancun to Miami keeping at least 25 miles off Cuba
and following the axis of the gulf stream to maximize the assist from the
current. It is 504 miles and with an average speed of 6.0 knots it would
take 3 1/2 days.

Please tell the kids to stay away from Cuba. They do not need any problems
from the Feds. Whether we agree or not it is still illegal to spend money in
Cuba. It is better not to get involved with this situation until the US has
normalized relations with Cuba.

Ansley Sawyer
SV Pacem

Route Name: Created 29 May 2007 @ 07:10:54



Depart from: Cancun



Destination: Miami



Route has 12 waypoints covering 504 nm

Time enroute = 3d 12h 03m at average speed 6.0 knots



Wpt 1

21º 10.304' N 086º 47.702' W

Out - 097° C 5.41 nm



Wpt 2

21º 09.711' N 086º 41.968' W

In - 097° C 5.41 nm

Out - 064° C 18.8 nm



Wpt 3

21º 18.188' N 086º 24.050' W

In - 064° C 18.8 nm

Out - 042° C 118 nm



Wpt 4

22º 46.807' N 084º 59.741' W

In - 042° C 118 nm

Out - 069° C 96.0 nm



Wpt 5

23º 24.958' N 083º 24.513' W

In - 069° C 96.0 nm

Out - 077° C 121 nm



Wpt 6

23º 57.873' N 081º 18.167' W

In - 077° C 121 nm

Out - 057° C55.9 nm



Wpt 7

24º 32.133' N 080º 30.052' W

In - 057° C 55.9 nm

Out - 037° C 56.1 nm



Wpt 8

25º 19.879' N 079º 57.684' W

In - 037° C 56.1 nm

Out - 355° C 24.6 nm



Wpt 9

25º 43.985' N 080º 02.908' W

In - 355° C 24.6 nm

Out - 326° C 2.66 nm



Wpt 10

25º 46.035' N 080º 04.787' W

In - 326° C 2.66 nm

Out - 258° C 2.13 nm



Wpt 11

25º 45.392' N 080º 07.028' W

In - 258° C 2.13 nm

Out - 300° C 3.36 nm



Wpt 12

25º 46.795' N 080º 10.400' W

In - 300° C 3.36 nm

Irwin 37 return from Cancun
 

On Tue, 29 May 2007 07:44:43 -0400, "Ansley W. Sawyer"
wrote:

Brian,

I plotted a course from Cancun to Miami keeping at least 25 miles off Cuba
and following the axis of the gulf stream to maximize the assist from the
current. It is 504 miles and with an average speed of 6.0 knots it would
take 3 1/2 days.

Please tell the kids to stay away from Cuba. They do not need any problems
from the Feds. Whether we agree or not it is still illegal to spend money in
Cuba. It is better not to get involved with this situation until the US has
normalized relations with Cuba.

Ansley Sawyer
SV Pacem

Route Name: Created 29 May 2007 @ 07:10:54



Depart from: Cancun



Destination: Miami



Route has 12 waypoints covering 504 nm

Time enroute = 3d 12h 03m at average speed 6.0 knots



Wpt 1

21º 10.304' N 086º 47.702' W

Out - 097° C 5.41 nm



Wpt 2

21º 09.711' N 086º 41.968' W

In - 097° C 5.41 nm

Out - 064° C 18.8 nm



Wpt 3

21º 18.188' N 086º 24.050' W

In - 064° C 18.8 nm

Out - 042° C 118 nm



Wpt 4

22º 46.807' N 084º 59.741' W

In - 042° C 118 nm

Out - 069° C 96.0 nm



Wpt 5

23º 24.958' N 083º 24.513' W

In - 069° C 96.0 nm

Out - 077° C 121 nm



Wpt 6

23º 57.873' N 081º 18.167' W

In - 077° C 121 nm

Out - 057° C55.9 nm



Wpt 7

24º 32.133' N 080º 30.052' W

In - 057° C 55.9 nm

Out - 037° C 56.1 nm



Wpt 8

25º 19.879' N 079º 57.684' W

In - 037° C 56.1 nm

Out - 355° C 24.6 nm



Wpt 9

25º 43.985' N 080º 02.908' W

In - 355° C 24.6 nm

Out - 326° C 2.66 nm



Wpt 10

25º 46.035' N 080º 04.787' W

In - 326° C 2.66 nm

Out - 258° C 2.13 nm



Wpt 11

25º 45.392' N 080º 07.028' W

In - 258° C 2.13 nm

Out - 300° C 3.36 nm



Wpt 12

25º 46.795' N 080º 10.400' W

In - 300° C 3.36 nm






Thank you

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Irwin 37 return from Cancun
 

On May 29, 6:34 am, Brian Whatcott wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2007 21:21:25 -0500, Brian Whatcott

wrote:
My son is proposing to motorsail an Irwin 37 ketch
back from Cancun to Miami with two or three aboard
What is the most conservative route that I can propose
to him, for Mother's sake? :-)

Thanks for any suggestions

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Thanks to Mark and Wayne for helpful suggestions.
Easy to see that PC versus physical security and
weather protection are not pulling the same way,
near cigar country.

Brian W

Why are you not threating Mark R with snitching on him?

Spending time in Cuba supporting a commie dictator is much worse a
crime than some bum stealing Rum. Visiting Cuba and not declaring it
on your passport is a federal crime the FBI would be real happy to
know about. You could rack up some major prison time and lose your
boat. Is your son going to smuggle some cigars to pay for the trip?

Seems both you and Mark are conspiring to break a federal law. You are
a bad American Brian if you do not snitch on Mark right now!

Joe

Irwin 37 return from Cancun
 

Folks, I think the advice is being offered from the point of view that
it is not against the law for all north americans to visit Cuba. It
is only against the law for citizens of the United States. For
Canadians, trips to Cuba are quite routine. Being a U.S. citizen, I
agree with the earlier poster, if it were me, I would give Cuba a very
wide berth. Life is just simplier that way, for me, the Cuban
authorities, the American authorities, and especially for me. At
least for me, boating is supposed to be about hassle minimization *S*

Take care all,

John

Irwin 37 return from Cancun
 

I plotted a course from Cancun to Miami keeping at least 25 miles off Cuba
and following the axis of the gulf stream to maximize the assist from the
current. It is 504 miles and with an average speed of 6.0 knots it would
take 3 1/2 days.

Ansley,

Interesting results. Did you do this the old fashioned way, or did
you use software? If it is software or a web-site, would you please
share the name.

Thank you and take care . . .

John

Irwin 37 return from Cancun
 

"John" wrote in message
ups.com...

I plotted a course from Cancun to Miami keeping at least 25 miles off
Cuba
and following the axis of the gulf stream to maximize the assist from
the
current. It is 504 miles and with an average speed of 6.0 knots it
would
take 3 1/2 days.

Ansley,

Interesting results. Did you do this the old fashioned way, or did
you use software? If it is software or a web-site, would you please
share the name.

Thank you and take care . . .

John


You forgot one very important thing. You forgot to factor in the
prevailing easterlies. For example, for the past three weeks straight
without a single day's respite the wind has been blowing out of the east
and northeast at 20-40 knots in the Florida Straits. Nothing I'd attempt
to sail against and that's the truth.

Wilbur Hubbard

Irwin 37 return from Cancun
 

On May 29, 11:45 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"John" wrote in message

ups.com...







I plotted a course from Cancun to Miami keeping at least 25 miles off
Cuba
and following the axis of the gulf stream to maximize the assist from
the
current. It is 504 miles and with an average speed of 6.0 knots it
would
take 3 1/2 days.

Ansley,

Interesting results. Did you do this the old fashioned way, or did
you use software? If it is software or a web-site, would you please
share the name.

Thank you and take care . . .

John

You forgot one very important thing. You forgot to factor in the
prevailing easterlies. For example, for the past three weeks straight
without a single day's respite the wind has been blowing out of the east
and northeast at 20-40 knots in the Florida Straits. Nothing I'd attempt
to sail against and that's the truth.

Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Wilbur,

I entirely agree that I would not want to spend however long it would
take tacking into those easterlies. But on the other hand, is a bad
day tacking better than a good day at work (smile)? I was more
interested in how Ansley came up with the waypoints.

take care . . .

John

Irwin 37 return from Cancun
 

John,

I have the Cap'n Mosaic software. The Cap'n is now owned by Maptech but I
have been using it since it was a Maine company.

http://www.maptech.com/water/thecapn/index.cfm

Ansley Sawyer
SV Pacem

Irwin 37 return from Cancun
 

"John" wrote in message
ups.com...

I plotted a course from Cancun to Miami keeping at least 25 miles off
Cuba
and following the axis of the gulf stream to maximize the assist from the
current. It is 504 miles and with an average speed of 6.0 knots it would
take 3 1/2 days.

Ansley,

Interesting results. Did you do this the old fashioned way, or did
you use software? If it is software or a web-site, would you please
share the name.

Thank you and take care . . .

John


The Cap'n is capable of this sort of route-planning. I should think most, if
not all, other charting software is equally capable.

Irwin 37 return from Cancun
 

Before we all go running to the "Feds" to snitch on me. I think it
would be helpful to revist the original question of what is the most
conservative route when viewed by a Mother.

I would think as a Mother that a coastal route along Cuba is viewed as
"more safe" than a straight shot down the gulf stream heading into the
wind the majority of the time.

Regarding the :"Feds", a call to them will inform you that it is not
illegal to go, so long as you don't spend money "with out approval".

A second call to the Treasury department, will result in a form being
officially mailed to you so that you can both go and spend money.
Send me an email and I'll send you the form and some nice pictures we
took in Havana after we were approved to go by the "Feds".

This topic is demonstrated this month by the "Feds" looking into
Michael Moore's visit to Cuba to film his movie. They don't care that
he went, only that he left money there with out filling out the
Treasury department form.

If anyone is pationate about having me speak with the "Feds" over
this, both they and the "Feds" can shoot me an email. I'm happy to
share my pics with them also.