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Roger Long May 18th 07 09:09 PM

First time on Autopilot
 
Primary self steering is by wind vane which uses no power. The electric
autopilot is just for use under power when its electrical draw isn't an
issue. Since it doesn't have to exert any more force than the wind vane
linkage does, it doesn't draw much anyway.

I doubt that the Seawind held a straight course under power:)

--
Roger Long


Don White May 18th 07 09:22 PM

First time on Autopilot
 

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
I guess I'm going to have to break down and finally buy myself a fancy boat
knife. Old Reliable (30 years and about three new sheafs) is just going to
have to make way for modern times. That is the exact spot where it's best
to sit while working with the GPS.

This should start a sub-thread: What's the best boat knife?

--
Roger Long



I have the Russel Belt knife with additional marlin spike. (made in this
province) Probably wouldn't help your problem.
http://www.oldjimbo.com/survival/grohmann.html



Don White May 18th 07 09:25 PM

First time on Autopilot
 

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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If you had a real sailboat like my Allied Seawind 32 with her traditional
full keel and ketch rig, you wouldn't need to use some cheapo electronic
autopilot. Sea Isle can hold her course all day long just with the proper
sail trim using the jigger as a steering sail.

There is no joy in having to use electricity to keep a recalcitrant and
poorly designed yacht on her course.

Wilbur Hubbard


Congratulations! You finally scuttled that ugly yellow/mauve Coronado 26.



Don White May 18th 07 09:28 PM

First time on Autopilot
 

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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"Roger Long" wrote in message
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I brought the boat down from the yard today. The rig wasn't set up so it
was fifteen miles as a power boat. As soon as I got out of the river, I
set up the newly installed ST1000 driving the Cape Horn windvane.

Wow. I never had so much fun not doing something I used to think of as
fun. I know most of you take this for granted but I've always been a
"keep it simple", minimalist sailor. There's something about a boat
that steers itself that makes you feel like an adult.

I spent a good part of the leg down the bay sorting out lines and
making the boat a bit more presentable after the hasty mast stepping
and departure. The remote was close at hand and what luxury to just
reach down and push the buttons when a floating log or pot buoy came
up.

It was a cold, raw day (an inch of snow in the northern part of the
state) and would have been a long cold trick at the wheel single
handed. Another nice thing I've discovered about autopilots is that
being able to move around and do things makes you feel a lot warmer.

I don't know how I ever got along without this thing. I may never steer
again. What's next? Radar? (Now that I can leave the wheel, I could
even go and look at it.)

--

Roger Long


If you had a real sailboat like my Allied Seawind 32 with her
traditional full keel and ketch rig, you wouldn't need to use some
cheapo electronic autopilot. Sea Isle can hold her course all day long
just with the proper sail trim using the jigger as a steering sail.

There is no joy in having to use electricity to keep a recalcitrant and
poorly designed yacht on her course.

Wilbur Hubbard

Correct, we know the Allied Seawind 32 well.
As you have stated it will, under normal condition, hold its course.
That may account for one reason why circumnavigators were amenable to use
the Allied Seawind 32.
However, the Bay of Fundy, offers a varietals of challenges. The Point
Lepreau rip tides, the Grand Manan channel,
Tiverton Passage, Schooner Passage. Letite and Little passages are very
challenging in Black fog. The legend has it that Mohawk ledge has had
its share of boats. The fog is challenging but compounded with tides,
eddies and currents you have all it takes to prove your skill and your
manual or auto pilot. No one navigating in these areas will let his or
her boat steered itseft alone. An auto pilot can be used as long as you
have a constant vigil and adjust the heading a degree at a time or better
still do the steering manually with the assistance of plotter,dept
sounder and radar. Having a fin keel allows for quicker reaction time to
avoid ledges and rocks.


The Bay of Fundy is, indeed, one of the more challenging places in the
whole world to sail. I've never been there but I understand the highest
tides in the world occur there. Thirty to forty feet? Now, that's scary.

Wilbur Hubbard



Can reach over 50 feet up near the head.
http://museum.gov.ns.ca/fossils/protect/tides.htm




Don White May 18th 07 10:24 PM

First time on Autopilot
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

I have the Russel Belt knife with additional marlin spike. (made in this
province) Probably wouldn't help your problem.
http://www.oldjimbo.com/survival/grohmann.html



I also have the Davis Yachtsman Pocket Knife
http://ca.binnacle.com/product_info....oducts_id=1023



Don White May 19th 07 12:37 AM

First time on Autopilot
 

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On 18 May 2007 15:15:03 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2007 16:45:53 -0300, said:

Correct, we know the Allied Seawind 32 well.


I guess you're new here. The last time Neal was fantasizing, he claimed to
have a Swan 68. What he actually has is a ****-colored Coronado 27.


He doesn't even have that any longer. He had a "rough period" and no
longer
owns that boat, or even his kooky Suzuki. I think he probably had to eat
his
cat, or he'd have starved. He now posts from public access computers at
the
library. He's either homeless or hanging by a thread.

CWM



I thought he survived at the Post Office long enough to draw some kind of
pension.
Probably went into hoc renovating that God awful interior on the Coronado.



Rosalie B. May 19th 07 01:38 AM

First time on Autopilot
 
Gogarty wrote:
In article , lid says...

"Roger Long" wrote in message
.. .
I brought the boat down from the yard today. The rig wasn't set up so it
was fifteen miles as a power boat. As soon as I got out of the river, I set
up the newly installed ST1000 driving the Cape Horn windvane.

Wow. I never had so much fun not doing something I used to think of as
fun. I know most of you take this for granted but I've always been a "keep
it simple", minimalist sailor. There's something about a boat that steers
itself that makes you feel like an adult.

I spent a good part of the leg down the bay sorting out lines and making
the boat a bit more presentable after the hasty mast stepping and
departure. The remote was close at hand and what luxury to just reach down
and push the buttons when a floating log or pot buoy came up.


On our boat, Bob does all these things while I have the helm. g

It was a cold, raw day (an inch of snow in the northern part of the state)
and would have been a long cold trick at the wheel single handed. Another
nice thing I've discovered about autopilots is that being able to move
around and do things makes you feel a lot warmer.

I don't know how I ever got along without this thing. I may never steer
again. What's next? Radar? (Now that I can leave the wheel, I could even
go and look at it.)

Yep... my ST4000 is truly great. The remote makes it greater.


We have an ST4000 with remote. I love it. I can sit on the foredech and steer
the boat. But for reasons I have never been able to fathom, my wife hates the
thing and hates the remote even more. Just doesn't trust electro/mechanical
gadgets. Whenever she has the con she sets it to Standby and hand steers.
Maybe I should let her hand steer for eight hours on a cold, windy, wet night
trip.

We didn't have an autopilot for the first year we had the boat. Bob
would actually make me steer for hours on end. I wasn't too thrilled,
but it probably was a good idea because it forced me to learn.

Then he installed the autopilot (we have a ST 7000). What a relief.
We don't have a remote, but with two of us it is not really necessary.

I love the autopilot, but there are some places where it is a bad idea
(once in the ICW the channel turned and I barely missed running over a
fishing boat that was at the elbow of the turn - he got into my blind
spot while I wasn't looking - I didn't have to look because the
autopilot was steering).

I suspect the wife not liking the remote has to do with the reason why
girls don't do as much video gaming as boys and why men often use the
TV remote more than women do. I'm really bad at gaming. I use the
autopilot, but I doubt if I would use a remote unless I was forced.

The thing has a name. Christopher, as in Saint. There is a St. Christopher
medal tacked to the bulkhead just above the display unit.

By the way, location of the flux gate compass is crucial. When we bought the
boat the flux gate was installed in a cabinet under the galley sink. If you
tossed a cast-iron frying pan into the sink the boat went berserk. It also
showed huge variation. We mnoved it to just aft of the mast under the saloon
table. Cut the variation to nearly zero and it never goes berserk.

Our fluxgate compass is under the aft berth (center cockpit boat).
grandma Rosalie

S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156
http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html

Capt. JG May 19th 07 02:18 AM

First time on Autopilot
 
"Gogarty" wrote in message
...
In article , lid
says...


"Roger Long" wrote in message
.. .
I brought the boat down from the yard today. The rig wasn't set up so it
was fifteen miles as a power boat. As soon as I got out of the river, I
set
up the newly installed ST1000 driving the Cape Horn windvane.

Wow. I never had so much fun not doing something I used to think of as
fun. I know most of you take this for granted but I've always been a
"keep
it simple", minimalist sailor. There's something about a boat that
steers
itself that makes you feel like an adult.

I spent a good part of the leg down the bay sorting out lines and making
the boat a bit more presentable after the hasty mast stepping and
departure. The remote was close at hand and what luxury to just reach
down
and push the buttons when a floating log or pot buoy came up.

It was a cold, raw day (an inch of snow in the northern part of the
state)
and would have been a long cold trick at the wheel single handed.
Another
nice thing I've discovered about autopilots is that being able to move
around and do things makes you feel a lot warmer.

I don't know how I ever got along without this thing. I may never steer
again. What's next? Radar? (Now that I can leave the wheel, I could even
go and look at it.)



Yep... my ST4000 is truly great. The remote makes it greater.


We have an ST4000 with remote. I love it. I can sit on the foredech and
steer
the boat. But for reasons I have never been able to fathom, my wife hates
the
thing and hates the remote even more. Just doesn't trust
electro/mechanical
gadgets. Whenever she has the con she sets it to Standby and hand steers.
Maybe I should let her hand steer for eight hours on a cold, windy, wet
night
trip.

The thing has a name. Christopher, as in Saint. There is a St. Christopher
medal tacked to the bulkhead just above the display unit.

By the way, location of the flux gate compass is crucial. When we bought
the
boat the flux gate was installed in a cabinet under the galley sink. If
you
tossed a cast-iron frying pan into the sink the boat went berserk. It also
showed huge variation. We mnoved it to just aft of the mast under the
saloon
table. Cut the variation to nearly zero and it never goes berserk.




Hmmm... mine is dead-on accurate. Maybe she doesn't like it because it
reminders her of the TV remote. g

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




Capt. JG May 19th 07 02:20 AM

First time on Autopilot
 
"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On 18 May 2007 15:15:03 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2007 16:45:53 -0300, said:

Correct, we know the Allied Seawind 32 well.

I guess you're new here. The last time Neal was fantasizing, he claimed
to
have a Swan 68. What he actually has is a ****-colored Coronado 27.


He doesn't even have that any longer. He had a "rough period" and no
longer
owns that boat, or even his kooky Suzuki. I think he probably had to eat
his
cat, or he'd have starved. He now posts from public access computers at
the
library. He's either homeless or hanging by a thread.

CWM



I thought he survived at the Post Office long enough to draw some kind of
pension.
Probably went into hoc renovating that God awful interior on the Coronado.


Neal used to read water meters for a living... if you can call it that.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




druid May 21st 07 09:28 PM

First time on Autopilot
 
On Thu, 17 May 2007 20:17:02 -0400, Roger Long wrote:


Wow. I never had so much fun not doing something I used to think of as fun.
I know most of you take this for granted but I've always been a "keep it
simple", minimalist sailor. There's something about a boat that steers
itself that makes you feel like an adult.


On Far Cove (I've sold her now, so she's not "my boat" any more) I had the
ST4000 head mounted under the dodger, so I could use that to steer if it
was raining and I wanted to duck under the dodger (Put it on standby and
use the buttons to turn the wheel). I used it a lot when under power -
Otto was a godsend for those boring motoring stretches! But like our
friend Wilbur (well, not like him since in my case it's true...), Far Cove
could be set up under sail to go a constant direction without need of Otto.

My next boat is definitely gonna have an Autohelm, even if it's a tiller.

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org



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