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Putting a profurl headsail roller reefer on a 27 footer. Is it
necessary to have luff foam or rope for reefing on a sail this small?
Some sailmakers say yes, some no. Any direct experiences?
Thanks
Gordon

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"Gordon" wrote in message
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Putting a profurl headsail roller reefer on a 27 footer. Is it necessary
to have luff foam or rope for reefing on a sail this small? Some
sailmakers say yes, some no. Any direct experiences?
Thanks
Gordon

Essie has a Profurl NC32 furler, Genoa built by North Sails. No foam or
other "bulker" in the luff, works just fine. YMMV.

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"Gordon" wrote in message
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Putting a profurl headsail roller reefer on a 27 footer. Is it necessary
to have luff foam or rope for reefing on a sail this small? Some
sailmakers say yes, some no. Any direct experiences?
Thanks
Gordon


Necessary? No. Good idea? Maybe. Depends on the size of the jib to begin
with. I have a 100% on a furler with no foam. Quantum built it for me from a
jib that was for a furler that got replaced with a new one. If I reef the
100, the sail is no longer perfect, but it wasn't perfect anyway. g

I've been considering a 130, and for that I would have them put the foam.

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On May 10, 4:30 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Gordon" wrote in message

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Putting a profurl headsail roller reefer on a 27 footer. Is it necessary
to have luff foam or rope for reefing on a sail this small? Some
sailmakers say yes, some no. Any direct experiences?
Thanks
Gordon

Necessary? No. Good idea? Maybe. Depends on the size of the jib to begin
with. I have a 100% on a furler with no foam. Quantum built it for me from a
jib that was for a furler that got replaced with a new one. If I reef the
100, the sail is no longer perfect, but it wasn't perfect anyway. g

I've been considering a 130, and for that I would have them put the foam.

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"j" ganz

If you bought proper hanked on sails you will not need rotting foam
and other types of dunnage used to maintain a proper sail shape.

Joe

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On May 10, 4:30 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Gordon" wrote in message

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Putting a profurl headsail roller reefer on a 27 footer. Is it
necessary
to have luff foam or rope for reefing on a sail this small? Some
sailmakers say yes, some no. Any direct experiences?
Thanks
Gordon

Necessary? No. Good idea? Maybe. Depends on the size of the jib to
begin
with. I have a 100% on a furler with no foam. Quantum built it for me
from a
jib that was for a furler that got replaced with a new one. If I reef
the
100, the sail is no longer perfect, but it wasn't perfect anyway. g

I've been considering a 130, and for that I would have them put the
foam.

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"j" ganz

If you bought proper hanked on sails you will not need rotting foam
and other types of dunnage used to maintain a proper sail shape.

Joe

I agree. Anybody installing roll-ups on a 27-footer is a weenie! Total
waste of money, a source of extra trouble and breakdowns, decreased
performance, ugly-looking and expensive. Only fools pay extra for less.

Wilbur Hubbard

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The shape of my 130 with foam is bad enough when reefed down that I would
sure go with the foam. The size of the sail doesn't have that much to do
with the geometry of the sail shape.

I'm always astounded how well my boat sails with the working jib which has
great shape. I put a luff doubling on it this winter so I can leave it up
and fly it more often. Good shape trumps area in most conditions.

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"Roger Long" wrote in message
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The shape of my 130 with foam is bad enough when reefed down that I would
sure go with the foam. The size of the sail doesn't have that much to do
with the geometry of the sail shape.

I'm always astounded how well my boat sails with the working jib which has
great shape. I put a luff doubling on it this winter so I can leave it up
and fly it more often. Good shape trumps area in most conditions.

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Roger Long

My 130 Genny is relatively flat-cut. That does certainly make a difference
when reefing. If air is light enough that it wants shape, I should probably
put the drifter up anyway.

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On May 10, 4:30 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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Putting a profurl headsail roller reefer on a 27 footer. Is it
necessary
to have luff foam or rope for reefing on a sail this small? Some
sailmakers say yes, some no. Any direct experiences?
Thanks
Gordon

Necessary? No. Good idea? Maybe. Depends on the size of the jib to begin
with. I have a 100% on a furler with no foam. Quantum built it for me
from a
jib that was for a furler that got replaced with a new one. If I reef the
100, the sail is no longer perfect, but it wasn't perfect anyway. g

I've been considering a 130, and for that I would have them put the foam.

--
"j" ganz

If you bought proper hanked on sails you will not need rotting foam
and other types of dunnage used to maintain a proper sail shape.

Joe



Sorry dude, but I single-hand all the time. Hank on sails are fine when you
don't have to reef often by yourself.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 May 2007 14:15:02 -0700, Gordon said:

Putting a profurl headsail roller reefer on a 27 footer. Is it
necessary to have luff foam or rope for reefing on a sail this small?

Might it not make a difference whether you're talking a 100% working jib
or
a 155% Jenny?


It might. g

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Dave wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2007 17:49:53 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

I agree. Anybody installing roll-ups on a 27-footer is a weenie!

One of Neal's defining characteristics is making a virtue of necessity.

I'm not only a lazy weenie, but an OLD lazy weenie. Didn't we just
have a thread about brains versus brawn?
Gordon

BTW Sail will be somewhere between 125 and 135%.

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On May 10, 4:30 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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Putting a profurl headsail roller reefer on a 27 footer. Is it
necessary
to have luff foam or rope for reefing on a sail this small? Some
sailmakers say yes, some no. Any direct experiences?
Thanks
Gordon

Necessary? No. Good idea? Maybe. Depends on the size of the jib to begin
with. I have a 100% on a furler with no foam. Quantum built it for me
from a
jib that was for a furler that got replaced with a new one. If I reef the
100, the sail is no longer perfect, but it wasn't perfect anyway. g

I've been considering a 130, and for that I would have them put the foam.

--
"j" ganz

If you bought proper hanked on sails you will not need rotting foam
and other types of dunnage used to maintain a proper sail shape.

Joe

Sorry dude, but I single-hand all the time. Hank on sails are fine when you
don't have to reef often by yourself.

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An inner and outer fore stay, 2 sail tracks on the main, and a
mizzen and it's easy to keep ahead of the wind single handed with
hank on sails. Auto pilots helps.

Joe

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With a foan luff you will be able to reef down a full ~30% of what you
have and still have GOOD sail shape. 130 X .70 = 91%

Without the foam, etc. luff you will only be able to reef down a few %
and then the sail at the luff (entry shape) will become quite
full/rounded; full/rounded is not what you want when you reef as
full/rounded luff shape is to 'power up' a sail .... and you will heel
more and point less as the increased 'roundness' of the luff shape
essentially changes the sail's "angle of attack".

Putting a profurl headsail roller reefer on a 27 footer. Is it
necessary to have luff foam or rope for reefing on a sail this small?
Some sailmakers say yes, some no. Any direct experiences?
Thanks
Gordon

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On May 10, 4:30 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Gordon" wrote in message

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Putting a profurl headsail roller reefer on a 27 footer. Is it
necessary
to have luff foam or rope for reefing on a sail this small? Some
sailmakers say yes, some no. Any direct experiences?
Thanks
Gordon

Necessary? No. Good idea? Maybe. Depends on the size of the jib to
begin
with. I have a 100% on a furler with no foam. Quantum built it for me
from a
jib that was for a furler that got replaced with a new one. If I reef
the
100, the sail is no longer perfect, but it wasn't perfect anyway. g

I've been considering a 130, and for that I would have them put the
foam.

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"j" ganz

If you bought proper hanked on sails you will not need rotting foam
and other types of dunnage used to maintain a proper sail shape.

Joe

Sorry dude, but I single-hand all the time. Hank on sails are fine when
you
don't have to reef often by yourself.

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"j" ganz - Hide quoted text -

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An inner and outer fore stay, 2 sail tracks on the main, and a
mizzen and it's easy to keep ahead of the wind single handed with
hank on sails. Auto pilots helps.

Joe



Well good for you! I prefer the ease of pulling one line to roll up my sail.
If you don't, don't feel you have to get one.

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If you bought proper hanked on sails you will not need rotting foam
and other types of dunnage used to maintain a proper sail shape.

Joe



Sorry dude, but I single-hand all the time. Hank on sails are fine when you
don't have to reef often by yourself.

I agree wholeheartedly.

It took me years to change to a roller furler due to a number of
reasons including thoughts of the thing malfunctioning in heavy
weather and having to pull the whole sail out to get it down.

A friend of mine who had circumnavigated solo in her 30 footer without
an engine convinced me. It is safer being a single hander being able
to reef etc from the cockpit, faster and much less effort. I'm not
racing so why would any less than perfect sail set worry me?

Peter

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Gordon wrote:
Dave wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2007 17:49:53 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

I agree. Anybody installing roll-ups on a 27-footer is a weenie!

One of Neal's defining characteristics is making a virtue of necessity.

I'm not only a lazy weenie, but an OLD lazy weenie. Didn't we just have
a thread about brains versus brawn?
Gordon

BTW Sail will be somewhere between 125 and 135%.

According to Larry, if you are OLD you shouldn't be out on a boat
without a young able bodied seaman to do everything for you.

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"krj" wrote in message
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Gordon wrote:
Dave wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2007 17:49:53 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

I agree. Anybody installing roll-ups on a 27-footer is a weenie!

One of Neal's defining characteristics is making a virtue of necessity.

I'm not only a lazy weenie, but an OLD lazy weenie. Didn't we just have
a thread about brains versus brawn?
Gordon

BTW Sail will be somewhere between 125 and 135%.

According to Larry, if you are OLD you shouldn't be out on a boat without
a young able bodied seaman to do everything for you.

I can dream about that, but there never any around when I want to go sailing

Leanne

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"Leanne" wrote in :

I can dream about that, but there never any around when I want to go
sailing


Parris Island??....(c;

NAS Beaufort??.....((c;

Larry
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On May 10, 3:56 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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On May 10, 4:30 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Gordon" wrote in message

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Putting a profurl headsail roller reefer on a 27 footer. Is it
necessary
to have luff foam or rope for reefing on a sail this small? Some
sailmakers say yes, some no. Any direct experiences?
Thanks
Gordon

Necessary? No. Good idea? Maybe. Depends on the size of the jib to begin
with. I have a 100% on a furler with no foam. Quantum built it for me
from a
jib that was for a furler that got replaced with a new one. If I reef the
100, the sail is no longer perfect, but it wasn't perfect anyway. g

I've been considering a 130, and for that I would have them put the foam.

--
"j" ganz

If you bought proper hanked on sails you will not need rotting foam
and other types of dunnage used to maintain a proper sail shape.

Joe

Sorry dude, but I single-hand all the time. Hank on sails are fine when you
don't have to reef often by yourself.

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"j" ganz

I've hanked on enough sails singlehanded to appreciate a good reefer/
furler. Far Cove has one, and it's a Joy to always have Just Enough
headsail rather than always too much or too little. As for the foam
luff: I think it's a Good Idea, and as mentioned does give you a
better sail shape when reefed, but not necessary for reefing. Just
make sure you get a GOOD furling system (mine is a Harken) - the
cheaper ones furl but don't reef.

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org

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In article .com,
druid wrote:
I've hanked on enough sails singlehanded to appreciate a good reefer/
furler. Far Cove has one, and it's a Joy to always have Just Enough
headsail rather than always too much or too little. As for the foam
luff: I think it's a Good Idea, and as mentioned does give you a
better sail shape when reefed, but not necessary for reefing. Just
make sure you get a GOOD furling system (mine is a Harken) - the
cheaper ones furl but don't reef.

I have a Schaefer. Sailing with it reefed in 25kts plus isn't a
problem. Definitely, you need a decent mechanism.

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On 2007-05-10 17:15:02 -0400, Gordon said:

Putting a profurl headsail roller reefer on a 27 footer. Is it
necessary to have luff foam or rope for reefing on a sail this small?
Some sailmakers say yes, some no. Any direct experiences?

We have the rope luff on the 135 and it does seem to work better than
foam after a couple of years' use. Either makes a furled sail's shape
better, though not perfect.

Our 110 doesn't have either, though. When the weather's too high for
that and a double-reefed main, I'm gonna either be in the anchorage or
on the way, in weather too rough to point much anyway, and I'll be
minimizing heel and wanting the power.

Your mileage will definitely vary as each boat differs.

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