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Survey missed bubbles in gel coat or recently developed
A friend purchased a small cruiser last spring and had it surveyed. While
getting ready for this spring's launch and applying anitfouling wax she noticed bubbles in the gelcoat. Contacting the person who did the survey, they said they would have a look at it again on the 20th of May with her regular mechanic. In the meantime.... 1) The surveyor said the bubbles in the gelcoat were not visible last spring and did not show up with sounding, and that maybe there was an electrical problem at our marina that affected the hull (causing the bubbles to form). She responded and said not other boats at the marina were affected. Could this phenomenon occur, or what are other typical causes of bubbles to form in the gelcoat? 2) Is there any recourse against the surveyor if the bubbles were missed during the survey. (I believe the surveyor is from the Kingston or Belleville area)? Mark (the rail, canopy, & lifeline hook guy) www.ripnet.com/vtf/prod03.htm |
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Survey missed bubbles in gel coat or recently developed
"Mark" wrote:
A friend purchased a small cruiser last spring and had it surveyed. While getting ready for this spring's launch and applying anitfouling wax she noticed bubbles in the gelcoat. Contacting the person who did the survey, they said they would have a look at it again on the 20th of May with her regular mechanic. In the meantime.... 1) The surveyor said the bubbles in the gelcoat were not visible last spring and did not show up with sounding, and that maybe there was an electrical Did the buyer see the bubbles? Were they there during the survey? If not why not? If the buyer did not see the bubbles, why would the surveyor have seen them? problem at our marina that affected the hull (causing the bubbles to form). She responded and said not other boats at the marina were affected. Could this phenomenon occur, or what are other typical causes of bubbles to form in the gelcoat? 2) Is there any recourse against the surveyor if the bubbles were missed during the survey. (I believe the surveyor is from the Kingston or Belleville area)? Mark (the rail, canopy, & lifeline hook guy) www.ripnet.com/vtf/prod03.htm We had bubbles in our gelcoat at the survey - the surveyor pointed them out to us. Have never seen them since. Bob has concluded that they were just water bubbles under the paint. |
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Survey missed bubbles in gel coat or recently developed
The buyer nor the surveyor saw the bubbles last spring, so we do not know if
the bubbles have developed since then (or why) or if they were overlooked by the surveyor. The surveyor was hired to closely inspect the boat for potential problems that could otherwise be overlooked by the buyer (the buyer knew she did not know enough about boats to recognize this type of problem). Now that she is getting more familiar with the details of the boat (such applying the bottom wax herself), she is seeing more and asking more. The bubbles might not even be an issue until the "expert" (the surveyor) re-inspects the boat. The questions I am asking are merely to help her (and myself) understand if and how bubbles can start to form, or were they potentially ovelooked (raising the question of the value of getting a survey done). "Rosalie B." wrote in message news "Mark" wrote: A friend purchased a small cruiser last spring and had it surveyed. While getting ready for this spring's launch and applying anitfouling wax she noticed bubbles in the gelcoat. Contacting the person who did the survey, they said they would have a look at it again on the 20th of May with her regular mechanic. In the meantime.... 1) The surveyor said the bubbles in the gelcoat were not visible last spring and did not show up with sounding, and that maybe there was an electrical Did the buyer see the bubbles? Were they there during the survey? If not why not? If the buyer did not see the bubbles, why would the surveyor have seen them? problem at our marina that affected the hull (causing the bubbles to form). She responded and said not other boats at the marina were affected. Could this phenomenon occur, or what are other typical causes of bubbles to form in the gelcoat? 2) Is there any recourse against the surveyor if the bubbles were missed during the survey. (I believe the surveyor is from the Kingston or Belleville area)? Mark (the rail, canopy, & lifeline hook guy) www.ripnet.com/vtf/prod03.htm We had bubbles in our gelcoat at the survey - the surveyor pointed them out to us. Have never seen them since. Bob has concluded that they were just water bubbles under the paint. |
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Survey missed bubbles in gel coat or recently developed
"Mark" wrote
The questions I am asking are merely to help her (and myself) understand if and how bubbles can start to form, or were they potentially ovelooked (raising the question of the value of getting a survey done). When you say bubbles, are you talking about gel-coat blisters, or something else? There's lots of info online about blistering, much of it conflicting. |
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Survey missed bubbles in gel coat or recently developed
I have not seen the (as she referrs to them) "bubbles" yet myself, but will
ask her to show me this weekend. I have been fortunate not to run into this problem with my own boat (yet), but as you say, there is lots if info available online, much of it conflicting. This is part of the reason I posted to the newsgroups, to get some general guidenace, direction, and first hand experience from the user's side (versus from the various sales pitches from mechanics and surveyors). Any guidance or suggestions (good websites or articles) in the interim would be much appreciated, and help us prepare to ask the right questions. Thanks in advance. Mark "Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message et... "Mark" wrote The questions I am asking are merely to help her (and myself) understand if and how bubbles can start to form, or were they potentially ovelooked (raising the question of the value of getting a survey done). When you say bubbles, are you talking about gel-coat blisters, or something else? There's lots of info online about blistering, much of it conflicting. |
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Survey missed bubbles in gel coat or recently developed
"Mark" wrote in message ... I have not seen the (as she referrs to them) "bubbles" yet myself, but will ask her to show me this weekend. I have been fortunate not to run into this problem with my own boat (yet), but as you say, there is lots if info available online, much of it conflicting. This is part of the reason I posted to the newsgroups, to get some general guidenace, direction, and first hand experience from the user's side (versus from the various sales pitches from mechanics and surveyors). Any guidance or suggestions (good websites or articles) in the interim would be much appreciated, and help us prepare to ask the right questions. Thanks in advance. Mark "Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message et... "Mark" wrote The questions I am asking are merely to help her (and myself) understand if and how bubbles can start to form, or were they potentially ovelooked (raising the question of the value of getting a survey done). When you say bubbles, are you talking about gel-coat blisters, or something else? There's lots of info online about blistering, much of it conflicting. Mark, you're an idiot. Your very first concern seems to be how to stick it to a surveyor just because the boat developed some small gel coat blisters around the waterline. If you didn't see them or the surveyor didn't see them during the time of the survey then it stands to reason they weren't there. If you need a surveyor to see something you should be able to see yourself then what good are YOU? All these stupid people these days getting into boating just disgust me. You morons are lowering the bar with your whining and your ignorance and your refusal to take personal responsibility. Go away already. Stay off the water before your infantile, imbecilic attitude ends up costing you your life or the life of some innocent who just had the misfortune to be in your way. You seem to be suggesting the surveyor should have foreseen the blisters. Give us a break, you stupid ******. Take some freaking responsibility for once. Quit trying to blame things on somebody else. Boy, you dim bulb liberals sure are screwing up the entire country lately. Why don't you people just shut your ignorant pie holes and go away. Geez! Some little waterline gelcoat blisters and he acts like it's the end of the world. Somebody slap some sense into this loser, please. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Mark" wrote
Any guidance or suggestions (good websites or articles) in the interim would be much appreciated, and help us prepare to ask the right questions. From what I've seen, it's entirely plausible that some blistering might develop during a single season after not being there at all in the pre-season survey. |
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Survey missed bubbles in gel coat or recently developed
On Thu, 10 May 2007 11:40:34 -0400, "Mark"
wrote: The buyer nor the surveyor saw the bubbles last spring, so we do not know if the bubbles have developed since then (or why) or if they were overlooked by the surveyor. The surveyor was hired to closely inspect the boat for potential problems that could otherwise be overlooked by the buyer (the buyer knew she did not know enough about boats to recognize this type of problem). Now that she is getting more familiar with the details of the boat (such applying the bottom wax herself), she is seeing more and asking more. The bubbles might not even be an issue until the "expert" (the surveyor) re-inspects the boat. The questions I am asking are merely to help her (and myself) understand if and how bubbles can start to form, or were they potentially ovelooked (raising the question of the value of getting a survey done). "Rosalie B." wrote in message news "Mark" wrote: A friend purchased a small cruiser last spring and had it surveyed. While getting ready for this spring's launch and applying anitfouling wax she noticed bubbles in the gelcoat. Contacting the person who did the survey, they said they would have a look at it again on the 20th of May with her regular mechanic. In the meantime.... Some information removed. One question I would have is what kind of a boat are we talking about. I ask because of the reference to "anti fouling wax". The only boats I am familiar with that are waxed are all out racing boats. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Survey missed bubbles in gel coat or recently developed
"Bruce" wrote in message ... On Thu, 10 May 2007 11:40:34 -0400, "Mark" wrote: The buyer nor the surveyor saw the bubbles last spring, so we do not know if the bubbles have developed since then (or why) or if they were overlooked by the surveyor. The surveyor was hired to closely inspect the boat for potential problems that could otherwise be overlooked by the buyer (the buyer knew she did not know enough about boats to recognize this type of problem). Now that she is getting more familiar with the details of the boat (such applying the bottom wax herself), she is seeing more and asking more. The bubbles might not even be an issue until the "expert" (the surveyor) re-inspects the boat. The questions I am asking are merely to help her (and myself) understand if and how bubbles can start to form, or were they potentially ovelooked (raising the question of the value of getting a survey done). "Rosalie B." wrote in message news "Mark" wrote: A friend purchased a small cruiser last spring and had it surveyed. While getting ready for this spring's launch and applying anitfouling wax she noticed bubbles in the gelcoat. Contacting the person who did the survey, they said they would have a look at it again on the 20th of May with her regular mechanic. In the meantime.... Some information removed. One question I would have is what kind of a boat are we talking about. I ask because of the reference to "anti fouling wax". The only boats I am familiar with that are waxed are all out racing boats. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com The value of a surveyor's report is questionable. The insurance companies usually get you to insure the boat as per the surveyor estimated replacement value. I would read the contractual obligations written in your surveying contract. If you have accepted the boat after reading the surveyor's report and agreed to pay for the services, your legal recourses are thin and the seller is covered. The beauty is that a surveyor is only responsible for what he/she can see at the time of inspection. However, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. In your case, the bubbles have not developed over one year or so. Very few lawyers know their ways in that field and the jurisprudence is not readily available. I would make an estimate about repairing the boat and the cost of suing the surveyor and seller before doing anything. You are not the only one in this situation. It is like having a bad disease people do not talk about it. Many boaters have to absorb the repair cost. How to repair it could be the subject of another post. |
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Survey missed bubbles in gel coat or recently developed
Here's a question: Where did your friend find the surveyor? Was he
recommended by a broker, in particular the seller's broker? * Mark wrote, On 5/10/2007 8:32 AM: A friend purchased a small cruiser last spring and had it surveyed. While getting ready for this spring's launch and applying anitfouling wax she noticed bubbles in the gelcoat. Contacting the person who did the survey, they said they would have a look at it again on the 20th of May with her regular mechanic. In the meantime.... 1) The surveyor said the bubbles in the gelcoat were not visible last spring and did not show up with sounding, and that maybe there was an electrical problem at our marina that affected the hull (causing the bubbles to form). She responded and said not other boats at the marina were affected. Could this phenomenon occur, or what are other typical causes of bubbles to form in the gelcoat? 2) Is there any recourse against the surveyor if the bubbles were missed during the survey. (I believe the surveyor is from the Kingston or Belleville area)? Mark (the rail, canopy, & lifeline hook guy) www.ripnet.com/vtf/prod03.htm |
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