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Larry wrote:
" wrote in
ups.com:

Larry, I'm not sure if you really believe this or are just trying to
stir up the conversation. In either case, it is complete nonsense.
I've met several 70 year olds who have are in great mental and
physical condition and who routinely sail their boats out of New
Zealand or Australia to the Pacific islands. Evidence suggests that
they have a handle on what it takes. Ability is ability. You either
have it or you don't.

Tom, I'm not trying to stir up trouble or a flamewar. I'm POSITIVE
sailors in your area of the world are MUCH more fit than the rich,
potbellied Americans walking down our docks in Charleston, SC. Those men
have been to sea for years, are hardened by hard work. OUR sailors are
bankers, lawyers, doctors, real estate tycoons who's hardest work is
standing in one place doing what they do in their tassled loafers under
an expensive Italian suit...in an air conditioned room...and working out
at the fitness center riding a bike and lifting small weights. Lifting
their glass at the yacht club or reaching in for their credit card raises
their heart rates.

They are playing a role game...."Captain". In America, it takes nothing
but MONEY, really. Some even mow their own lawns!....on riding lawn
mowers, of course! Those are the individuals you find offshore in
trouble, here.

Did anyone see what this nice old guy does for a living, besides the SS
checks and stock options, in this latest rescue? Does he fit my dock
description?



Larry
Face it Larry. You are just envious of people who have money. Why didn't
you go to school and become a CEO or some other lucrative endeavor.

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Larry ,, you are ****ing me off. I mean really, really, ****ing me off.

First you attack old people, like they can't make up their own minds whether
to sail or not.
Second, you want the "government" to license us! Are you F'n kidding? The
same assholes who invaded Iraq?
The same US government with senators such as Ted Kennedy? The US government
that is CORRUPT!

Where do you think the license money will go? Have you thought about that?

You know where it will go .. right in the pocket of some fatass, corrupt,
bloated, F..k nut.

Tell ya what .. if you can't post something more thought out than this ...

Stop sailing ... you are a danger to the rest of us!



=========================================
"Larry" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in news:wMadnSkQm-
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My God, this is so antithetical to America that I
can't believe you're posting it.


You don't FLY without a pilot's license, medical exam,
certification....before you fly over my house and endanger the public.

What's the difference in a boat on the ICW or harbor or shipping lane?

Why is that different than a Cessna 150? Any fool can fly a Cessna 150!
Hell, it flies itself unless you force it not to!

Larry
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On May 8, 1:07 pm, Larry wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote roups.com:

One of the saltiest and most capable boaters I ever knew was cruising
his 38-footer until a week before he died. In fact, we were with him
when he started having chest pains one evening at the Silverdale town
dock. We took him to a hospital to get checked out. That was the
beginning of the end for him, he didn't survive the angioplasty
operation the following week. He was 83 or 84, and his wife a couple
of years younger.

What a bunch of nonsense. NOONE you'll ever meet on the dock over 60
years old should be allowed to be the primary muscle on any boat going
out of the harbor, out of sight of land. I don't give a damn how many
years him and his wife got away with it. An 80+ year old man CANNOT do
the physical work of a much younger man (or woman), required to handle
such emergencies in such conditions. Hell, the 20-somethings are
overwhelmed by a lot of it.

Doesn't wash, no matter how many years they got away with it.

Larry
--

Larry,

What kind of ignorant hogwash is this? I have never met a sailor over
60 whom I would not trust to be a good and reliable skipper. It's
true that as we age our physical abilities diminish. However, the
dangers encountered in sailing are more related to abilities of
judgement rather than abilities of muscle. The fact is, younger
sailors are just as liable to make the same errors in judgement as
older sailors. The problem encountered by the sailors in question
had nothing to do with their age and everything to do with their
judgement. And, I'd be willing to bet they could pass a "licensing
test". After all, we have licensing requirements for automobiles and
drivers of all ages still make stupid errors of judgement.

Peter
s/v Now or Never!

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Peter wrote in news:1178668142.994836.113080
@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

Obviously, when we are given the freedom of choice, some
people will, unfortunately, make the wrong choices.


Those are the ones who need "direction". Not sure about NZ or Trinidad,
but in America, you can be a complete idiot, buy a 60' yacht with 2000HP
engines and just drive it away, no questions asked.....and not break any
laws if it has a fire extinguisher, taxes paid and everyone has a
lifejacket.........even if the driver is blind.

Larry
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krj wrote in news:AE80i.6246$0x4.4806
@bignews4.bellsouth.net:

Face it Larry. You are just envious of people who have money. Why didn't
you go to school and become a CEO or some other lucrative endeavor.



Wow...now the attack takes a turn!....(c;



Larry
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On Wed, 09 May 2007 00:00:23 +0000, Larry wrote:

"Leanne" wrote in :

Just because I am over 70, you want to take my boat away? I will admit
that the reason I bought my little ketch 11 years ago was because
being a split rig makes it a lot easier to handle the sails. I guess
it is time for me to join the stink potters and but a trawler.


Leanne




Not at all! I never said that! I said that IF you want to go offshore,
expecting young rescuers to risk their lives to save you, you MUST be
certified to be in a certain physical condition...or...failing
that...MUST have certifiable seamen aboard able to handle the boat during
your incapacitation or in overwhelming emergencies. Noone's gonna take
your boat toy away from you.

But, let's be reasonable just for a change, this hermit-on-a-boat crap
you see on every dock, the old man with the heart condition sailing with
his clueless wife who is, at best, an "informed passenger" and servant,
"and the world can kiss my ass" attitude IS endangering lives, besides
their own. Those boys in the helo deserve more respect and to be treated
better than just cannon fodder for some old fool hell bent on killing his
family....at all costs.

There DOES come a time, at some point, where EVERY ONE OF YOU needs to be
told NO, if you're so self-centered you cannot see the danger you're
putting yourself, and these rescuers/other boaters/etc. in.

This boat stupidity of just having money, being totally blind and driving
the Hatteras 58 away from the dock is JUST STUPID!

Larry

The problem is, Larry, that having a license is not any kind of a
guarantee that you will do what you should. Look at the people that
drive big boats. To get a Master's or Chief Engineer's papers is a
long and painful process, far more extensive then it would be feasible
to require an amateur sailer to go through. Yet having spent the years
at sea and sat the tests government licensed ships crew screw up --
frequently. Can you say Valdez?

Now, having said that, I concur that if you want to go to sea then the
monkey is on your own back and you should be able to take care of
yourself. But Licenses?

Let me give you just one example: I spent much of last year in
Singapore where ALL individuals who operate a boat that is powered by
an engine are required to have a license and I can assure you that the
Marine Police continually check for unlicensed operators.

One day I arrived at the Marina and saw a bunch of the guys standing
around a 25 ft. power boat on a cradle. Walked over and the boat had a
big hole in the bow. Says to the Fiberglass Guy that's stand there,
"what's this then?" He pointed to the bow and said, "see the green
paint?" It turned out that the owner/operator had programmed a buoy as
a waypoint into his chart plotter and was coming home after dark and
the buoy was right where it was supposed to be..... But, he had a
license.


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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On Wed, 09 May 2007 00:10:54 +0000, Larry wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote in
oups.com:

Under you standard, almost nobody old enough to be retired would be
allowed to go boating without a babysitter?


I sail offshore on an Amel 41 ketch. Cap'n Geoffrey is around 70. It's
his boat. I must admit we HAVE sailed offshore of Florida, just the two
of us, between Ft Lauderdale and Ponce Inlet, S of Daytona Beach.
Weather was perfect or we wouldn't have gone.

Neither one of us are "disabled" and either one of us can sail her safely
for a day, maybe two. But, neither one of us will go offshore over 2 in
our condition, which isn't really that bad, but we DO GET OVERTIRED IN 2
DAYS....too tired for safe sailing in a squall condition, which happens
often, here.

Our "crew" is SIX sailors, sometimes EIGHT, for passages Charleston to
FL, for example. Everyone gets SLEEP, noone gets DEAD. All hands are
available, including ours, in bad situations. The other four are late
20's to mid 40's, experienced sailors, physically fit. And we STILL have
been beaten up to exhaustion a few times offshore of Georgia.

I cannot imagine how an 80-year-old goat and his 78-year-old wife can be
called "fit" to sail a 38' boat under those circumstances...I just can't!

Larry


Maybe so, Larry, but I'm about half way around the world from where
you are and the marina here is full of boats. Certainly some of them
are based here but I'd guess that half are on their way the rest of
the way around. I don't go around asking people how old they are but
from looking at them I'd guess many/most are over sixty and I have
known quite a number who were in their seventies. Hell! I am and I
sail a 40 footer; alone.

I think the difference is that you are doing something like a delivery
voyage, i.e., trying to get there quick. Most single handers are
certainly trying to get there but aren't adverse to heaving to if that
is the best solution to whatever is facing them.

I have a good friend who has sailed literally all over the Indian
Ocean alone. I know innumerable people who have sailed from south
Africa to Thailand, alone. No licenses either..

I just brought a motor boat from Singapore to Phuket, some 1,000
miles, with just my wife.

As for your six man crew, to quote someone or another, "I don't know
six people I'd want to go to sea with" :-).


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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As for your six man crew, to quote someone or another, "I don't know
six people I'd want to go to sea with" :-).


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)


Bingo!

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....
I don't recall just now, but how old was Sir Francis Chichester when he
circled the world in Gypsy Moth?

--Alan Gomes

I think he was 65 and suffering from cancer and chronic injuries...

-- Tom.

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Larry, I think you're begging the question. Maybe there aren't any
old sailors able to run a boat offshore in your town. I don't know.
But I thought your assertion was that no one over the age of 60 should
be allowed to be the primary muscle on a boat going out of sight of
land. There are some 60 and even 70 somethings out there who are
capable of handling the rigors of long passages in their own boats.
So, it doesn't make any sense to me to not allow them to do that if
they want to.

"BETTER DROWNED THAN DUFFERS IF NOT DUFFERS WONT DROWN." -- Arthur
Ransome

-- Tom.

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"Larry" wrote in message
...
Peter wrote in news:1178668142.994836.113080
@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

Obviously, when we are given the freedom of choice, some
people will, unfortunately, make the wrong choices.


Those are the ones who need "direction". Not sure about NZ or Trinidad,
but in America, you can be a complete idiot, buy a 60' yacht with 2000HP
engines and just drive it away, no questions asked.....and not break any
laws if it has a fire extinguisher, taxes paid and everyone has a
lifejacket.........even if the driver is blind.

Larry
--
This spammer called my cellphone:
First American Payment
10101 E Arapaho Rd
Richardson, TX 75081
972-301-3766
They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested....(c;

Maybe you should have paid your bills, and the bill collector won't call.

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On Tue, 08 May 2007 21:17:21 -0700, Alan Gomes wrote:

I don't recall just now, but how old was Sir Francis Chichester when he
circled the world in Gypsy Moth?

In his early sixties, but when he was 70, he did 4,000 miles in 20
days missing the record by one day.

A very interesting man was Sir. Francis.

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What did these sailors do wrong?
 

Larry wrote:

"KLC Lewis" wrote in news:wMadnSkQm-
:

My God, this is so antithetical to America that I
can't believe you're posting it.

You don't FLY without a pilot's license, medical exam,
certification....before you fly over my house and endanger the public.

What's the difference in a boat on the ICW or harbor or shipping lane?

You are equating offshore with a boat to being on the ICW or in a
harbor or shipping lane.

They are not the same.

Someone of whatever age who watches the weather in a well found boat
is much less likely to endanger anyone (rescuer or innocent bystander)
when offshore than an ignorant person (young or old) in the ICW harbor
or shipping lane. And God knows there are plenty of them out there.

Why is that different than a Cessna 150? Any fool can fly a Cessna 150!
Hell, it flies itself unless you force it not to!

Larry

The reason older people 'get away with' sailing after your cut-off age
is that they have the knowledge and experience. They know their
limitations, and set their boat up and schedule their trips with that
in mind. Muscle won't substitute for brains.

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Gordon wrote:

As for your six man crew, to quote someone or another, "I don't know
six people I'd want to go to sea with" :-).


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

Bingo!

That's why we don't sail to Bermuda and down to the Virgin Islands
which is what Bob wanted to do. I said I wouldn't do it without at
least one other person to help stand the watches, and he said he
didn't want anyone else on the boat. So we don't go.

We have gone with another couple (on our boat) down the ICW for a
couple of weeks, but that wasn't offshore - it was just an extended
series of day trips.

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On May 9, 2:26 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message

...





Peter wrote in news:1178668142.994836.113080
@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

Obviously, when we are given the freedom of choice, some
people will, unfortunately, make the wrong choices.

Those are the ones who need "direction". Not sure about NZ or Trinidad,
but in America, you can be a complete idiot, buy a 60' yacht with 2000HP
engines and just drive it away, no questions asked.....and not break any
laws if it has a fire extinguisher, taxes paid and everyone has a
lifejacket.........even if the driver is blind.

Larry
--
This spammer called my cellphone:
First American Payment
10101 E Arapaho Rd
Richardson, TX 75081
972-301-3766
They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested....(c;

Maybe you should have paid your bills, and the bill collector won't call.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Damn, your stupidity is showing once again, and as usual! Where in the
hell did he say that he owed a bill collector? Does the statement
"They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested...." have
ANY meaning to you?

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Rosalie B. wrote in
:

he said he
didn't want anyone else on the boat.

Too bad. I bet some of those strong, young dockhands you know at your
marina would just drop everything to go.....treating you and he like
Queen and King. Taking "another couple", who expect to be treated like
guests, not knowledgeable crew, is a whole different ballgame.

Keep a sharp eye out for such a strong young man. Every marina has a few
strong hands who just stand out from the pack on the dock, more friendly,
helpful and undemanding. All you need do is feed him and let him sleep
in that quarterberth that's usually piled with junk...(c; Watch the
dockhands when they dock a big yacht. Your boy is the one with the
sailing gloves taking charge.....(c;

Larry
--
They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested....(c;

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Larry wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote in
:

he said he
didn't want anyone else on the boat.

Too bad. I bet some of those strong, young dockhands you know at your
marina would just drop everything to go.....treating you and he like
Queen and King. Taking "another couple", who expect to be treated like
guests, not knowledgeable crew, is a whole different ballgame.

Keep a sharp eye out for such a strong young man. Every marina has a few
strong hands who just stand out from the pack on the dock, more friendly,
helpful and undemanding. All you need do is feed him and let him sleep
in that quarterberth that's usually piled with junk...(c; Watch the
dockhands when they dock a big yacht. Your boy is the one with the
sailing gloves taking charge.....(c;

Larry our marina is down at the end of nowhere. There are no
dockhands helping to dock boats. It is strictly a DIY operation. If
you need fuel and call on the radio and there is actually someone
there to respond (sometimes I've had to call the shop on the phone),
then there MIGHT be a dockhand to catch a line, but more than likely
it will be an older woman. Most of the people that work there are
owners or work at the restaurant or work in the shop. And the other
people there are boat owners - most of them at least our age.

Our friends who sailed with us didn't act like guests - they cooked
and took the wheel and helped us tie up etc. They were sailors and he
(at least) was much more knowledgeable than I am, but they are also
our age.

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Rosalie B. wrote in
:

Most of the people that work there are
owners or work at the restaurant or work in the shop

Oh, sorry. The marinas here are staffed with nice, STRONG college boys
earning money for school. Most of them are in one of the several college
sailing clubs around Charleston, too. Many have been sailing all their
lives on parents' boats.

We're spoiled...(c; They man the radios until 10PM looking for more
tips. When Cap'n Geoffrey calls, they KNOW there's a nice tip, so come
running down the dock in a herd. He's one of the favorite boats. He
also takes them sailing with us if we're just going out to fool around
the harbor for no apparent reason. No sense working up a sweat grinding
winches when there are nice young people just itching to "come about".

Larry
--
That's me on the bow in the beanbag with the laptop wirelessly
steering...(c;

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Larry wrote:



IN THEIR 70'S?! COME ON! How stupid is that, offshore 200 miles with NO
YOUNG, STRONG BACKS ABOARD?!!

As long as rich stupids like these are buying boats, I still say
LICENSING should be mandatory. You want to sail...fine. You take the
course, TAKE THE PHYSICAL TO SEE IF YOU REALLY BELONG OUT THERE (no
matter what YOU think), then, if you pass all the REQUIREMENTS....then,
we issue you a LICENSE, we can revoke when you are too old, to PREVENT
YOU from endangering the lives of young rescue swimmers, helo crews and
boat crews just because you are too stupid and pig headed to see you are
too old to go "out there" without enough MUSCLE and ENDURANCE for that
worst case scenario you should be REQUIRED to be prepared for.

NOONE IN THEIR 70'S NEED APPLY! They should be PASSENGERS of ABLE
SEAMEN!


Larry

Hi Larry,

I know this is kind of a late reply, but I had to
let myself cool down for a few days to think about
what I really wanted to say here.

When I was 34 I was playing competitive
racquetball at the YMCA twice a week with a bunch
of guys I worked with. To give you an idea of the
level of play, our group included the 1st _and_
2nd place winners of the Austin TX open
racquetball tournament, and a couple of other
players who placed in the top ten. On any given
day, there were five or six of us who could give
the top two a run for their money.

There was one fellow who was 70 years old that
year who use to come and play with us regularly,
and he was quite competitive. He beat me quite a
few times, and he also would beat the top two
players sometimes. My point is that age is a poor
indicator of strength or fitness. I've seen
plenty of 18 year olds that would have had a heart
attack if they'd try to keep up with this guy, and
he would have beat them at arm wrestling also.

BTW, although that big Amel 54' may take a lot of
muscle to handle the sheets, there are plenty of
boats that do not. Hell, there are even boats
with (gasp) power winches, and power capstans.

Regarding the cost of rescues, and the risk to
rescue crews: Those resources are fixed cost, and
we taxpayers pay for them whether they are used or
not. If there are no real rescues, the crews have
to fly practice ones to stay proficient. I have
an aquaintance who is a USCG rescue swimmer, and
they _love_ to go out on real rescues. It breaks
up the boredom, and makes them feel like they are
doing something worthwhile.

What they do looks dangerous, but they are trained
and equipped for it. The USCG doesn't commit to a
rescue if they believe that the conditions are
dangerous for their crews and equipment. Of
course, what looks dangerous to us is routine for
them.

With your avowed distrust of the US government,
why would you want to give them more power to run
our lives than they've already got?

I say government should stay out of peoples lives
unless there is a compelling reason not to. I'm
really opposed to the idea that government should
become our mommies and save us from ourselves.

rant mode off

Sorry... I feel much better now ;-)

Don W.

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Don W wrote in news:YZK0i.1163
:

I say government should stay out of peoples lives
unless there is a compelling reason not to. I'm
really opposed to the idea that government should
become our mommies and save us from ourselves.



Everyone has presented exceptional examples of just wonderful 70-year-
old, physically fit sailors they know, some famous, some not. This is
great. If I were advocating licensing of airplane pilots, and there were
no licensing or testing or physical exams of airplane pilots, everyone
would be pointing out Chuck Yeagar and a host of airplane pilot heros,
for the same reasons....they don't need to be examined, obviously.

Those are NOT the people walking the docks to play captain where I have
been, or whom I have met. THESE are the people who need to be told when
enough is enough, just like airplane pilots are told, now. These people
walking the docks are sure they can handle any situation. Just ask them
or point out to them that they are walking a little slower than they were
10 years ago, or have trouble getting aboard, or are a little out of
breath from the walk from the parking lot, and you'll be told how
wonderful shape they are in. In their minds, just like everyone on this
newsgroup who have gotten all excited and mad at me, they are 27 and
strong as an ox....just with white hair...well, some white hair.

But, with increasing frequency lately, we find them offshore, in heavy
weather and in trouble...beaten and exhausted to the point a rescue
swimmer must be deployed to get them into the helo harness...endangering
the lives of the Coasties and everyone else who comes near the abandoned
vessel left behind.

Their inflated egos have gotten them in trouble and endangered others.
I'm not concerned with themselves. It's the "others" that continues to
bother me.

At what point does government impose the same requirements on boaters it
requires, rightfully so, of all other modes of transportation to protect
the "others", passengers, other boaters, commercial traffic and those
boys in the helos?

Larry
--
I think we should do away with all testing and licensing of airline
pilots. Anyone who can fly a Hatteras 60 ought to be able to get a job
as a Delta 777 captain without taking a test or physical, right?!

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....
At what point does government impose the same requirements on boaters it
requires, rightfully so, of all other modes of transportation to protect
the "others", passengers, other boaters, commercial traffic and those
boys in the helos?
....

When the cost is worth the benefit. Also, governments don't license
all modes of transportation. Bicycles are popular and dangerous and
rarely licensed. Ultra-light planes, roller skates, scooters, swim
fins, pogo sticks, skis, Segways, motorized shopping carts, high
powered propeller beanies, horses, donkeys, really big prehistoric
carnivorous ducks and many, many more modes of transport may be
operated unlicensed in most countries. I'm not against licensing as
such. I have two boating licenses, one of which is commercial. But,
unless you are willing to make the licensing bar very high and require
COI's for all vessels I don't think you will prevent many accidents
offshore. The costs of such a program would be great and the loss of
freedom real and the benefits negligible. I think the argument for
licensing for very fast boats used in populated areas is much easer to
make than the one for offshore boaters.

-- Tom.

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On 10 May 2007 22:40:44 -0700, "
wrote:

I think the argument for
licensing for very fast boats used in populated areas is much easer to
make than the one for offshore boaters.

Not to mention a little drug and alcohol testing.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On 10 May 2007 22:40:44 -0700, "
wrote:

I think the argument for
licensing for very fast boats used in populated areas is much easer to
make than the one for offshore boaters.

Not to mention a little drug and alcohol testing.

very difficult to enforce though.....

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Larry wrote:
Don W wrote in news:YZK0i.1163
:

I say government should stay out of peoples lives
unless there is a compelling reason not to. I'm
really opposed to the idea that government should
become our mommies and save us from ourselves.



Everyone has presented exceptional examples of just wonderful 70-year-
old, physically fit sailors they know, some famous, some not. This is
great. If I were advocating licensing of airplane pilots, and there were
no licensing or testing or physical exams of airplane pilots, everyone
would be pointing out Chuck Yeagar and a host of airplane pilot heros,
for the same reasons....they don't need to be examined, obviously.

Those are NOT the people walking the docks to play captain where I have
been, or whom I have met. THESE are the people who need to be told when
enough is enough, just like airplane pilots are told, now. These people
walking the docks are sure they can handle any situation. Just ask them
or point out to them that they are walking a little slower than they were
10 years ago, or have trouble getting aboard, or are a little out of
breath from the walk from the parking lot, and you'll be told how
wonderful shape they are in. In their minds, just like everyone on this
newsgroup who have gotten all excited and mad at me, they are 27 and
strong as an ox....just with white hair...well, some white hair.

But, with increasing frequency lately, we find them offshore, in heavy
weather and in trouble...beaten and exhausted to the point a rescue
swimmer must be deployed to get them into the helo harness...endangering
the lives of the Coasties and everyone else who comes near the abandoned
vessel left behind.

Their inflated egos have gotten them in trouble and endangered others.
I'm not concerned with themselves. It's the "others" that continues to
bother me.

At what point does government impose the same requirements on boaters it
requires, rightfully so, of all other modes of transportation to protect
the "others", passengers, other boaters, commercial traffic and those
boys in the helos?

Larry
Almost everyone driving on our interstates and roads has a license yet
there are hundreds of people killed every day in auto accidents.
Licensing is not the ultimate answer. Common sense and good judgment is
what is needed. At any age!

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" wrote in
oups.com:

Bicycles are popular and dangerous and
rarely licensed. Ultra-light planes, roller skates, scooters, swim
fins, pogo sticks, skis, Segways, motorized shopping carts, high
powered propeller beanies, horses, donkeys, really big prehistoric
carnivorous ducks and many, many more modes of transport may be
operated unlicensed in most countries

Ok, so, as with these devices, we won't require testing and licensing to
operate boats less than 5 hp, including manually powered. Sailboats
without engines will be exempt. Hatteras 58' motor yachts will not.

Larry
--

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krj wrote in news:tp11i.3529$ya.477
@bignews8.bellsouth.net:

Licensing is not the ultimate answer. Common sense and good judgment is
what is needed. At any age!


Licensing is simply taxation. TESTING is the problem on the roadways. The
tests are stupidly easy so even the dumbest humans can pass them. That's
wrong. Once cursory tested, the only thing they test for is cursory vision
until they are senile. That's what the problem is on the
roads...inadequate standards that need to be REtested, especially after
they reach retirement when things start to fall apart....where I am, now.

Larry
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Larry wrote:
krj wrote in news:tp11i.3529$ya.477
@bignews8.bellsouth.net:

Licensing is not the ultimate answer. Common sense and good judgment is
what is needed. At any age!


Licensing is simply taxation. TESTING is the problem on the roadways. The
tests are stupidly easy so even the dumbest humans can pass them. That's
wrong. Once cursory tested, the only thing they test for is cursory vision
until they are senile. That's what the problem is on the
roads...inadequate standards that need to be REtested, especially after
they reach retirement when things start to fall apart....where I am, now.

Larry


How about a mental stability test for you, Larry? Should nice guys like
you who are as nutty as a fruitcake be allowed on the waterways?

What did these sailors do wrong?
 

HK wrote:
Larry wrote:
krj wrote in news:tp11i.3529$ya.477
@bignews8.bellsouth.net:

Licensing is not the ultimate answer. Common sense and good judgment
is what is needed. At any age!


Licensing is simply taxation. TESTING is the problem on the
roadways. The tests are stupidly easy so even the dumbest humans can
pass them. That's wrong. Once cursory tested, the only thing they
test for is cursory vision until they are senile. That's what the
problem is on the roads...inadequate standards that need to be
REtested, especially after they reach retirement when things start to
fall apart....where I am, now.

Larry


How about a mental stability test for you, Larry? Should nice guys like
you who are as nutty as a fruitcake be allowed on the waterways?

Harry,
It appears that this is the only reason you come to rec.boats so you can
throw out one line insults.

Your wife, who as a social worker, has helped numerous people with all
kinds of problems should have given you a little more respect for those
with mental illness. I am not commenting whither or not Larry has a
mental problem, but on your habit of using mental illness as a insult.
It would be similar to making fun of someone because they had type 1
diabetes.

What did these sailors do wrong?
 

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
Larry wrote:
krj wrote in news:tp11i.3529$ya.477
@bignews8.bellsouth.net:

Licensing is not the ultimate answer. Common sense and good judgment is
what is needed. At any age!


Licensing is simply taxation. TESTING is the problem on the roadways.
The tests are stupidly easy so even the dumbest humans can pass them.
That's wrong. Once cursory tested, the only thing they test for is
cursory vision until they are senile. That's what the problem is on the
roads...inadequate standards that need to be REtested, especially after
they reach retirement when things start to fall apart....where I am,
now.

Larry


How about a mental stability test for you, Larry? Should nice guys like
you who are as nutty as a fruitcake be allowed on the waterways?

Harry,
It appears that this is the only reason you come to rec.boats so you can
throw out one line insults.

Your wife, who as a social worker, has helped numerous people with all
kinds of problems should have given you a little more respect for those
with mental illness. I am not commenting whither or not Larry has a
mental problem, but on your habit of using mental illness as a insult. It
would be similar to making fun of someone because they had type 1
diabetes.

I really don't think that Harry intended to deliver a psychiatric diagnosis
and then insult people with mental illness. I think, rather, he meant to
comment on Larry's fruitcakiness in terms of socio/political ideology.

Personally, I think that Larry finds himself "falling part" (his own words)
and uses his own state as grounds for limiting the liberty of others.
Perhaps because he thinks that his own liberty is going to be sacrificed
anyway, so it's not much of a loss if others lose theirs as well? Who knows?

Typical nannyism.

What did these sailors do wrong?
 

On May 12, 12:20 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:

Personally, I think that Larry finds himself "falling part" (his own words)

I think Larry just fell off of the wagon...

A fellow just pulled into the adjacent finger just now got back from
21 years of cruising with his wife. I think he said he's 71.
But this is a bit of a ghetto dock, I suspect Larry is in a Swank
Country Club type marina...
right Larry?
tom
=-==

What did these sailors do wrong?
 

On May 14, 1:11 am, tlindly wrote:
On May 12, 12:20 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:



Personally, I think that Larry finds himself "falling part" (his own words)

I think Larry just fell off of the wagon...

A fellow just pulled into the adjacent finger just now got back from
21 years of cruising with his wife. I think he said he's 71.
But this is a bit of a ghetto dock, I suspect Larry is in a Swank
Country Club type marina...
right Larry?
tom
=-==

You haven't been reading Larry very long, have you ?

He's not in a marina - he just goes to lots of them, and gets free
rides in exchange for electronics know-how. Not a bad deal, at all,
and keeps his ownership and membership costs to nothing :{))

L8R

Skip, still working...

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On May 8, 4:33 pm, "NE Sailboat" wrote:
They are 200 miles out at sea. Duh ??? Isn't that in international waters?

Maybe they aren't American .. and maybe they don't want no stinkin license.

Nanny Nanny Nanny .....

Can't people kill themselves anymore without some government asshole telling
them to get a license?

Talk about total bull****.. take the license and stick it up your ass.

================================================== ===

"Larry" wrote in message

...



"KLC Lewis" wrote in
news:9OmdnUxN86YqFt3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@centurytel. net:

Well, that's the Nanny State solution, sure. The Free Citizen solution
would be more along the lines of, "Go and do what you want. But if you
get into a world of hurt and want to be rescued, you will receive a
bill for our services."

Nah, can't have that. Too much freedom.

That would be fine BUT your unlicensed stupids' actions would STILL
endanger everyone else....like it does now...on any waterway.

It's not about the rescue. It's about a certain level of expertise to
operate the equipment....EXACTLY like every other moving form of
transportation you use.

Larry
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I second that.

Joe

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Skip Gundlach wrote in
oups.com:

He's not in a marina - he just goes to lots of them, and gets free
rides in exchange for electronics know-how. Not a bad deal, at all,
and keeps his ownership and membership costs to nothing :{))



I've even had offers from Florida!.....(c;


Larry
--
Grade School Physics Factoid:
A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
skilled demolition.

What did these sailors do wrong?
 

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
oups.com...
On May 14, 1:11 am, tlindly wrote:

You haven't been reading Larry very long, have you ?

He's not in a marina - he just goes to lots of them, and gets free
rides in exchange for electronics know-how. Not a bad deal, at all,
and keeps his ownership and membership costs to nothing :{))

L8R

Skip, still working...

I did the same thing for years, getting a berth in exchange for work. Then I
made the mistake of buying the boat when the owner decided to sell.

Leanne

What did these sailors do wrong?
 

Commercial bus drivers are one thing, persuing happiness, alone or
with friends, is an American human being right. Feeding goldfish is
deadly, according to some. Enjoying property is a right in Canada.

Terry K

What did these sailors do wrong?
 

Larry wrote:


As long as rich stupids like these are buying boats, I still say
LICENSING should be mandatory.

Why? Why bother? If they want to die, let the old farts become fish
food. I don't want to pay for licensing the bureaucracy or the bull****.

What did these sailors do wrong?
 

On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:27:34 +0000, Larry wrote:

Skip Gundlach wrote in
roups.com:

He's not in a marina - he just goes to lots of them, and gets free
rides in exchange for electronics know-how. Not a bad deal, at all,
and keeps his ownership and membership costs to nothing :{))



I've even had offers from Florida!.....(c;


Larry

Na Larry,

Further than that.
If you would care to come to Penang, Malaysia to give advice on my
electronics ahen I get back home, you are welcome to stay - anytime.

You can stay on the boat or, if you prefer, I have a guest apartment
in my house.

cheers
Peter

What did these sailors do wrong?
 

Peter Hendra wrote in
:

On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:27:34 +0000, Larry wrote:

Skip Gundlach wrote in
groups.com:

He's not in a marina - he just goes to lots of them, and gets free
rides in exchange for electronics know-how. Not a bad deal, at all,
and keeps his ownership and membership costs to nothing :{))



I've even had offers from Florida!.....(c;


Larry

Na Larry,

Further than that.
If you would care to come to Penang, Malaysia to give advice on my
electronics ahen I get back home, you are welcome to stay - anytime.

You can stay on the boat or, if you prefer, I have a guest apartment
in my house.

cheers
Peter


Geez, thanks Peter! But, alas, I have a business that requires my
attention here. There wouldn't be much left when I got back....er,
ah....if I ever came back...(c;

I have a ham radio friend, Werner, from Berner Oberland, Steffisburg
actually, Switzerland. He's 83. At least once a week he asks me to come
with him back to Thun this summer for a month. There is a real Swiss
chalet overlooking the Thunersee (Lake of Thun) with our names on it that
belongs to one of his old school chums. My cost would be air travel.
The Swiss Chamber of Commerce couldn't produce a travel brochure that
this little valley between the mountaintops doesn't have. There's even a
marina with sailboats for hire!

That trip would be first. ONE trip to Werner's house for Swiss German
dinner is enough to make me want to head to the airport....(sigh)

http://switzerland.isyours.com/e/gui...and/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Thunersee.jpg

I must be crazy not to go....with my own guide and interpreter...

Here's the music background from Radio Eviva to go with the pictures:
http://asx.skypro.ch/radio/internet-64/radioeviva.asx
See if anyone in Malaysia can guess where this music is from....(c;

Larry
--
Grade School Physics Factoid:
A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
skilled demolition.