On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:37:42 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 06:56:50 -0500, "Jeff Morris"
wrote:

If you want to get to the ocean quickly, I think taking the Lakes to Oswego, NY and joining the Erie
Canal there is the most expedient. This would be about 8 days in the Canal and Hudson River. An
easy enough trip, but with 33 locks you probably want a crew for this stretch. In the "Delivery"
section of my website there's a description and pics.

More scenic would be to go down the St. Lawrence to Lake Champlain and then on to the Hudson. This
would add several travel days, but you'd be tempted to linger more. Going all the way out the
Seaway would be a lot longer, but would include some of the most beautiful cruising grounds in the
world. Timing gets a little hard - this is definitely not a Winter trip. And radar is very handy.

Agreed, but if you don't go the long way out the St. Lawrence, you
miss the opportunity to cruise Cape Breton and the Bras D'Or
Lakes...definitely a highlight and excellent, protected cruising.
Unless you really want to do the upper lakes in one season, you might
consider dropping in Lake Ontario around Kingston and starting in late
April...that would mean a whole season that could include Nova Scotia,
Maine and then to NYC for the fall.

There is a point to this. Bras d'Or and Maine are both beautiful
cruising in totally different ways. The stretch of coast between them
I can't comment on, since I only saw it on radar.


Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the
simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.
- Richard Dawkins, "Viruses of the Mind"

Current hauling quotes: Richmond, BC to Sault Ste. Marie all Canadian side.
$5500 Canadian $3600 US.

Current hauling quotes: Richmond, BC to Sault Ste. Marie all Canadian side.
$5500 Canadian $3600 US.

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:37:42 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 06:56:50 -0500, "Jeff Morris"
wrote:

If you want to get to the ocean quickly, I think taking the Lakes to Oswego, NY and joining the Erie
Canal there is the most expedient. This would be about 8 days in the Canal and Hudson River. An
easy enough trip, but with 33 locks you probably want a crew for this stretch. In the "Delivery"
section of my website there's a description and pics.

More scenic would be to go down the St. Lawrence to Lake Champlain and then on to the Hudson. This
would add several travel days, but you'd be tempted to linger more. Going all the way out the
Seaway would be a lot longer, but would include some of the most beautiful cruising grounds in the
world. Timing gets a little hard - this is definitely not a Winter trip. And radar is very handy.

Agreed, but if you don't go the long way out the St. Lawrence, you
miss the opportunity to cruise Cape Breton and the Bras D'Or
Lakes...definitely a highlight and excellent, protected cruising.
Unless you really want to do the upper lakes in one season, you might
consider dropping in Lake Ontario around Kingston and starting in late
April...that would mean a whole season that could include Nova Scotia,
Maine and then to NYC for the fall.

There is a point to this. Bras d'Or and Maine are both beautiful
cruising in totally different ways. The stretch of coast between them
I can't comment on, since I only saw it on radar.


Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the
simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.
- Richard Dawkins, "Viruses of the Mind"

On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 06:56:50 -0500, "Jeff Morris"
wrote:

If you want to get to the ocean quickly, I think taking the Lakes to Oswego, NY and joining the Erie
Canal there is the most expedient. This would be about 8 days in the Canal and Hudson River. An
easy enough trip, but with 33 locks you probably want a crew for this stretch. In the "Delivery"
section of my website there's a description and pics.

More scenic would be to go down the St. Lawrence to Lake Champlain and then on to the Hudson. This
would add several travel days, but you'd be tempted to linger more. Going all the way out the
Seaway would be a lot longer, but would include some of the most beautiful cruising grounds in the
world. Timing gets a little hard - this is definitely not a Winter trip. And radar is very handy.

Agreed, but if you don't go the long way out the St. Lawrence, you
miss the opportunity to cruise Cape Breton and the Bras D'Or
Lakes...definitely a highlight and excellent, protected cruising.
Unless you really want to do the upper lakes in one season, you might
consider dropping in Lake Ontario around Kingston and starting in late
April...that would mean a whole season that could include Nova Scotia,
Maine and then to NYC for the fall.

R.

On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 01:05:14 -0500, "Schoonertrash"
wrote:

Next trip I'm leaving the Pacific but not by way of Panama. Plan to truck
the boat from Vancouver BC to Lake Superior and work my way East. There are
three major choices. Leave the lakes at Chicago and go S. on the
Mississippi. I'll pass on that one. Leave the seaway and travel through
Pennsylvania and New York for the Atlantic and then South. Go down the
whole St. Lawrence Seaway and then turn South for some coastal scenery. To
compound the issue I have friends I'd like to visit in the
Connecticutt/Massachusetts area. Not so far from NYC for a side trip.

The boat is a 33' LOA Westerly twin keeler with cathedral mast so height is
not a restriction. I will be singlehanding unless somebody pops up here and
there to help crew.

So between my two major choices what are your suggestions? Which way . ..
and why. What time of year is best considering I'm starting somewhere N. of
Duluth.

The difference in distance is enormous, especially if you would still
visit MA, CT, NY after going out the St Lawrence, through Cabot
Strait, and west to the New England coast. You would pass a lot of
spectacular scenery if you went that way, but it would be a long trip.

The NY canals would not be a big problem if you can fold your mast and
carry it with you.




MST



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a

"WooWooism lives" Anon grafitto on the base of the Cuttyhunk breakwater light

when...

Boats are gone from Chicago area by Nov 1, Milwaukee about the same,
probably sooner up "at the top" in Michigan. Weather is still sailable,
but can get down to freezing at night. Usually no real cold until well
into December, if then. Storms any time.

April is sailable, but again still might get down to close to freezing
some nights. Boats start appearing in numbers in May.

Also, remember the "Edmond Fitzgerald". The lakes can put up real
weather very fast, any time of year. After getting beat to **** (nothing
to do with his race standings) one summer on the Makanack (sp?) race Ted
Turner publicly ate his words about lake sailing not being "real"
sailing. He skippering a large boat with a prefessional crew.

You have about a 5 month window on the Great Lakes, with a some
allowance at each end for cheating if you can put up with a little cold.

Sorry, can't speak to the east coast - I spent my "formative years" in
Chicago.

Rufus

If you want to get to the ocean quickly, I think taking the Lakes to Oswego, NY and joining the Erie
Canal there is the most expedient. This would be about 8 days in the Canal and Hudson River. An
easy enough trip, but with 33 locks you probably want a crew for this stretch. In the "Delivery"
section of my website there's a description and pics.

More scenic would be to go down the St. Lawrence to Lake Champlain and then on to the Hudson. This
would add several travel days, but you'd be tempted to linger more. Going all the way out the
Seaway would be a lot longer, but would include some of the most beautiful cruising grounds in the
world. Timing gets a little hard - this is definitely not a Winter trip. And radar is very handy.

-jeff www.sv-loki.com

"Schoonertrash" wrote in message ...
Next trip I'm leaving the Pacific but not by way of Panama. Plan to truck
the boat from Vancouver BC to Lake Superior and work my way East. There are
three major choices. Leave the lakes at Chicago and go S. on the
Mississippi. I'll pass on that one. Leave the seaway and travel through
Pennsylvania and New York for the Atlantic and then South. Go down the
whole St. Lawrence Seaway and then turn South for some coastal scenery. To
compound the issue I have friends I'd like to visit in the
Connecticutt/Massachusetts area. Not so far from NYC for a side trip.

The boat is a 33' LOA Westerly twin keeler with cathedral mast so height is
not a restriction. I will be singlehanding unless somebody pops up here and
there to help crew.

So between my two major choices what are your suggestions? Which way . ..
and why. What time of year is best considering I'm starting somewhere N. of
Duluth.

MST

On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 01:05:14 -0500, "Schoonertrash"
wrote:

Next trip I'm leaving the Pacific but not by way of Panama. Plan to truck
the boat from Vancouver BC to Lake Superior and work my way East. There are
three major choices. Leave the lakes at Chicago and go S. on the
Mississippi. I'll pass on that one. Leave the seaway and travel through
Pennsylvania and New York for the Atlantic and then South. Go down the
whole St. Lawrence Seaway and then turn South for some coastal scenery. To
compound the issue I have friends I'd like to visit in the
Connecticutt/Massachusetts area. Not so far from NYC for a side trip.

The boat is a 33' LOA Westerly twin keeler with cathedral mast so height is
not a restriction. I will be singlehanding unless somebody pops up here and
there to help crew.

So between my two major choices what are your suggestions? Which way . ..
and why. What time of year is best considering I'm starting somewhere N. of
Duluth.

The difference in distance is enormous, especially if you would still
visit MA, CT, NY after going out the St Lawrence, through Cabot
Strait, and west to the New England coast. You would pass a lot of
spectacular scenery if you went that way, but it would be a long trip.

The NY canals would not be a big problem if you can fold your mast and
carry it with you.




MST



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a

"WooWooism lives" Anon grafitto on the base of the Cuttyhunk breakwater light

I have seen pack ice at Marquette out over 3 miles in the last week of
April. Middle of may is the earliest I would go, and it still gets real cold
up there. Green bay is about 3 weeks earlier than Superior. Also the
Trent-Severen canal system is supposed to be nice.
"Schoonertrash" wrote in message
...
Next trip I'm leaving the Pacific but not by way of Panama. Plan to truck
the boat from Vancouver BC to Lake Superior and work my way East. There
are
three major choices. Leave the lakes at Chicago and go S. on the
Mississippi. I'll pass on that one. Leave the seaway and travel through
Pennsylvania and New York for the Atlantic and then South. Go down the
whole St. Lawrence Seaway and then turn South for some coastal scenery.
To
compound the issue I have friends I'd like to visit in the
Connecticutt/Massachusetts area. Not so far from NYC for a side trip.

The boat is a 33' LOA Westerly twin keeler with cathedral mast so height
is
not a restriction. I will be singlehanding unless somebody pops up here
and
there to help crew.

So between my two major choices what are your suggestions? Which way . ..
and why. What time of year is best considering I'm starting somewhere N.
of
Duluth.

MST