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* NE Sailboat wrote, On 4/17/2007 8:26 PM:
As of April 8. Jeff.

ps.. my point isn't that Boston is a dangerous place, it is that the liberal
crowd will use the VT Tech

murders for political gain.

And what will the conservatives will use it for?

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Peter Hendra wrote:

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It would be disappointing if all of this were to come to naught as it
seems it must one day if the past history of other civilisations and
empires have anything to tell us.

Indeed. Yet all of the great civilizations from
history are gone, and one day the US will
inevitably follow. Perhaps not just yet though.

As I am in the mood for quoting,
Woodrow Wilson, who I believe was previously a professor of history at
Yale, said that what we learn from history is that we do not learn
from history.

Very true. One thing history teaches is that the
human capacity for cruelty to his fellows is
astounding.

A valid warning for these times and the "War on Terror" that has been
flashing into my mind for sometime comes from the German philosopher
Nietzsche "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the
process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an
abyss, the abyss also looks into you"

Point very well taken. It is just this point that
is bothering many of us during these last few
years. There must be a better way. What would
you do if you were the US president?

I'm right out of pertinent quotes. I'll probably remember some more
halfway up my mast where I can't make notes with a pen. I have
repainted my mast and am in the process of completely renewing my
rigging. I've thankfully finished repainting the hull in this terrible
heat. The locals have gotten used to my sarong which is the only
sensible apparel besides nakedness in this climate.

It sounds like your boat is going to be looking
good before long. Have you taken any digital
photos that you can post?

Regards,

Don W.

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"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
It struck me hard enough to break my on topic rule because I lived there
until I was seven and my earliest memories are of that campus and walking
up the steps of a building that looks just like the ones on the news to
visit my father in his office. All those innocent early memories will now
be tinged with this.

--
Roger Long
I feel for you Roger. It's a lot harder when you have personal involvement.
I have friends and acquaintances who were involved with a mass shooting here
in Tasmania when a nut case killed 35 people at a historic tourist site.
Every time I go past that part of the state I think of those people and how
they're coping.

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Peter, ... as annoying as I find you, I must post another reply becaue of
your complete ignorance of my greatest hero
Ben Franklin.

Ben Franklin was born in Boston on Milk street. Milk street is still there.

He was born in 1706. At the time of the American revolution he was almost
70 years old. He was old enough to be George Washington's father.

Far from being some philosophical zealot, he was a man who spent his life
working with his hands, a publisher, a printer.
He left Boston at about age twelve to pursue a fortune. And he was
successful. In todays' world he would be the equalivant of a publishing
CEO. He understood the use of information, delivered that information, but
was smart enough to know that most folks wanted more than the who, where,
when. He published an almanac. Why? Because it is a book that has a
limited use; one year. Then the reader must purchase a new one. He filled
it with useful sayings, reciepes, health care advice, weather, etc.

He was very interested in being wealthy. And he was wealthy.

His revolutionary involvement was an outgrowth of his experience's of the
French and Indian War. He was a delegate to the:
{The Albany Congress was a meeting of representatives of seven of the
British North American colonies in 1754 (specifically, Connecticut,
Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, Pennsylvania, and Rhode
Island). Representatives met daily at Albany, New York from June 19 to July
11 to discuss better relations with the Indian tribes and common defensive
measures against the French. They did conclude a treaty with the tribes
represented, but the treaty failed to secure peace with all the Native
American tribes during the French and Indian War. The Congress is notable
for producing Benjamin Franklin's Albany Plan of Union, an early attempt to
form a union of the colonies. Part of the Plan was used in writing the
Articles of Confederation, which kept the States together from 1781 until
the Constitution.}

The above from Wikipedia..

Why was the French and Indian War so bothersome for Ben Franklin? Because
it got in the way of making money! If his magazines, and newspapers could
not be delivered because of Indians etc, he didn't make any money. He
figured out that by cooperation between the different colonies, his business
interests would be more secure.



Yes, Ben Franklin was a deep thinker. Yes, he explored science, philosophy,
read, and traveled.

But he was not so much interested in a coming together as in a working
relationship. He spent most of his life from 1757 until his death living in
London or Paris.

He was not ... never was ... a raving revolutionary. He was a learned man
who helped direct the changes which led to the revolution.

I recommend a book for you. Probably my favorite book ever.

a.. Walter Isaacson. Benjamin Franklin: An American Life (2003). full-length
biography.














Peter Hendra" wrote in message
...

Peter,

Ignore NE and Joe. They are the true enemies of the USA. They do not
believe in
the real principles upon which the USA was founded, and they do not belive
in
the basic goodness of mankind. They have no faith in the USA. Yes, there
is a
problem of terrorism, but simple minded and uneducated people like NE and
Joe
think the way to solve the problem is to become the bigger terrorist.
Pretty
moronic, wouldn't you say? I know Joe has a big issue with gay people.
Maybe he
could use his same approach to solve his "gay problem" by being a bigger
gay?

CWM

Hi Charlie,
Thank you for your kind words.

No, I am never upset by people such as they, merely saddened as
healthy democracy needs dissent, questioning and left field views. I,
along with many other people in the world, strongly believe in the
principles that the USA was founded upon and realise that it was a
lot more than just annoyance at having to pay a tax on tea to the
English Crown. What is fascinating was that there was a coming
together of thinking people who genuinely wanted to make a difference
at a time when nothing like it had been achieved before. It wasn't a
grab for power and economic riches. Many of the founding fathers
writings had a huge impact on the French Revolution and more recently,
Ho Chi Min, and Sun Yat Sen of China.

One of my great enjoyments was to walk the red brick line of the
Freedom Trail in Boston with a friend and to stand before the statue
of Ben Franklin, a man who I have admired as a fascinating human being
since childhood. I had been invited to Cambridge to present a paper to
a computer conference, but spent more time in exploring Boston's
historical places than in listening to the other speakers. The
highlight of course was being on the US Constitution. I was so
euphoric that I left my daughter's expensive camera bag there (but
thankfully not the camera). Oh, I almost forgot the bronze equestrian
statue of General Hooker outside the Capitol building and the
bequeathal of his name to those professional ladies who are
entrepreneurial with their favours.

It would be disappointing if all of this were to come to naught as it
seems it must one day if the past history of other civilisations and
empires have anything to tell us. As I am in the mood for quoting,
Woodrow Wilson, who I believe was previously a professor of history at
Yale, said that what we learn from history is that we do not learn
from history.

A valid warning for these times and the "War on Terror" that has been
flashing into my mind for sometime comes from the German philosopher
Nietzsche "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the
process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an
abyss, the abyss also looks into you"

I'm right out of pertinent quotes. I'll probably remember some more
halfway up my mast where I can't make notes with a pen. I have
repainted my mast and am in the process of completely renewing my
rigging. I've thankfully finished repainting the hull in this terrible
heat. The locals have gotten used to my sarong which is the only
sensible apparel besides nakedness in this climate.

regards
Peter

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"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* NE Sailboat wrote, On 4/17/2007 8:26 PM:
As of April 8. Jeff.

ps.. my point isn't that Boston is a dangerous place, it is that the
liberal crowd will use the VT Tech

murders for political gain.

And what will the conservatives will use it for?




Same, same. In the end, they will both gain power from it.

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On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:58:47 -0400, Peter Hendra
wrote:

Peter, you made many good points, but unfortunately
also early on made the typical "generalization" mistake of those who
may find your points debatable. I am sympathetic to much of what you
said, but find the following highly offensive:

"A friendly policeman with whom I was having coffee - real
coffee - Cuban, not that brown dishwater that poses as coffee that
Americans seem to prefer..."

Of course, that set the tone
The nerve. The cajones. The impudence to suggest I don't
know my coffee! If you were to visit me you would find a choice
of about 15 different coffees, though none Cuban.
Of course I drink more coffee than Frenchmen drink wine or Germans
beer, and if it were all Cuban my blood pressure would be seriously
elevated at all times.
When they were drafting men into the fight in Viet Nam a young fellow
in Miami asked around for a way out. He found that others had been
washed out of the induction physical by merely drinking a quart of
Cuban coffee just prior to the exam, thusly elevating their blood
pressure. He did as suggested, with no success.
He faced death in combat many times in 'Nam, and it turned his
hair prematurely gray. He also suffered beri beri and other ailments,
but it was his good fortune to make it alive to his release after 2
years of hell, whereupon he had his discharge physical.
The doc checked his blood pressure three separate times, shaking his
head at each result.
The vet said, "What's wrong, doc?"
And the doc said, with some exasperation,
"How in the HELL did they let you in the Army with such low blood
pressure!?
Sometimes wrong solutions are applied to the wrong problem.

--Vic

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In article . com,
Joe wrote:

bs deleted

Wilbur Hubbard

BB the guy who wish Ol Thom's death,. and now cowering behind the name
Charlie Morgan is gayer than Ganz.

He's to much of a coward to say anything without hiding behind a
skirt.
BB's top's the gay chart, if you saw his fat ugly cow of a wife you
would know why.

Joe, do me a favor and cut out Neal's bs. He's a troll and a very
angry guy. When you repost his stuff, it just fuels his anger, which
isn't good for anyone, including him.
--
Capt. JG @@
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