And then I think it's fair to say, that if you use Raymarine/SeaTalk it is
(depite disadvantages of a propritary standard) extremely easy to
interconnect and at absolutely no extra cost. So if you do; why not
interconnect and get the extra features for free. And true wind is a must,
unless you call yourself 'Wilbur Hubbard' and is satisfied with sloppy
sailing and use your saved energy on being rude to people posting relevant
questions.

Bjarke

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On Apr 10, 11:38 pm, Larry wrote:
wrote in news:1176244717.431800.16850
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SNIP

The coordinated turns in any REASONABLE wind/current/speed situation is
so smooth....no overshoot or undershoot....Ghosts don't oversteer..(c;

Larry
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Larry

Many thanks for your info.

Matt

This past winter I thought it would be a great time to upgrade my
dated sailing instruments. I spent many hours researching all the
vendors, and in the end I went with Raymarine. I was so impressed
with the ease of self installation and setup, that I ordered a new
C80, GPS, and Wheel pilot the same night. My "old" (2006) GPS unit is
still in perfect working condition, and I am using it as a backup
now. I was worried about the Seatalk standard at the start, however,
I am a absolutley impressed with the whole system. With the C80, and
the autopilot the both offer NMEA out which will broadcast many of the
Seatalk (not all) sentences to other on board equipment. Although the
instuments cost a bit more than others up front you are getting a well
engineered product, that you should not have to fuss with.

Mike

"mlkress" wrote in news:1176468858.686885.36230
@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

I was worried about the Seatalk standard at the start, however,
I am a absolutley impressed with the whole system.

I'd just wish they'd drop the wired serial bus nonsense and go BLUETOOTH
with everything on the boat! It's time everything was WIRELESS, even the
sensors in the bilge! The speed log Bluetooth pairs with the log
transducer. The radar scanner Bluetooth pairs with the radome for video
and control.

Same with all the rest....(c;

Larry
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As long as they produce wired instruments for me, then it's fine with me if
you want all the problems with bluetooth.

Bjarke

"Larry" wrote in message
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"mlkress" wrote in
news:1176468858.686885.36230
@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

I was worried about the Seatalk standard at the start, however,
I am a absolutley impressed with the whole system.

I'd just wish they'd drop the wired serial bus nonsense and go BLUETOOTH
with everything on the boat! It's time everything was WIRELESS, even the
sensors in the bilge! The speed log Bluetooth pairs with the log
transducer. The radar scanner Bluetooth pairs with the radome for video
and control.

Same with all the rest....(c;

Larry
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"Bjarke M. Christensen" bjarkeNG@grevestrand_punktum_danmark wrote in
message k...
As long as they produce wired instruments for me, then it's fine with me
if
you want all the problems with bluetooth.

What problems with bluetooth?

Meindert

That my ear-device for my telephone contantly get confused and that my
f...... bluetooth keybord and mouse has to be re-installed every time I
replace the battery. I wish I'd opted for the IR version or cable ....

I btw pulled the wires for my new ST60 log and depth instruments today. 3
hours work and for the next 10 years I know they will *always* be in contact
..... I if they were bluetooth I would have used 2 hours on 12 volt wires
anway. Great investment ...

Bjarke


"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message
ll.nl...
"Bjarke M. Christensen" bjarkeNG@grevestrand_punktum_danmark wrote in
message k...
As long as they produce wired instruments for me, then it's fine with me
if
you want all the problems with bluetooth.

What problems with bluetooth?

Meindert

That my ear-device for my telephone contantly get confused and that my
f...... bluetooth keybord and mouse has to be re-installed every time I
replace the battery. I wish I'd opted for the IR version or cable ....

I btw pulled the wires for my new ST60 log and depth instruments today. 3
hours work and for the next 10 years I know they will *always* be in
contact
.... I if they were bluetooth I would have used 2 hours on 12 volt wires
anway. Great investment ...

What he said. Unless there's already power available you're still going to
have to run wire. NMEA2000 supports powering devices from the network so
it's only one cable to pull. I've got two fuel flow sensors and a GPS
antenna off mine. Likewise, I've found the reprogramming madness of
bluetooth devices to be more trouble than it's worth. I'd hate to imagine
the hassles of reprogramming something at sea, under bad conditions, trying
to find the batteries and the manual. No thanks. Wireless has it's place
but other than for secondary displays or perhaps remote control I don't see
using it on most boats.

"Bjarke M. Christensen" bjarkeNG@grevestrand_punktum_danmark wrote in
message k...
That my ear-device for my telephone contantly get confused and that my
f...... bluetooth keybord and mouse has to be re-installed every time I
replace the battery. I wish I'd opted for the IR version or cable ....

Those are typical examples of bad design to save money, resulting in bad
reputation of the technology. The same has happened with USB. Both
technologies allow for beautiful solutions when done right from the start.

Of course I am biased, since I have designed bluetooth and USB enabled
multiplexers that do work properly :-)

I have had customers buy a multiplexer with a serial interface (resulting in
the infamous "crazy mouse" problem in Windows) because they were reluctant
to buy one with a USB interface. And it is precisely the one with USB
interface that does NOT have this crazy mouse problem and always works, like
PnP/USB was supposed to work.

The same with bluetooth: by using better modules than cheap consumer stuff,
pairing info is stored permanently and every time the system is brought up,
the communication is there as if a serial cable was attached. But the cheap
consumer stuff is stripped down to the bare necessities, and to save another
50c on cost, the non-volatile memory chip needed to store this sort of info
is omitted.

A similar problem exists with USB devices, by omitting a tiny chip with a
unique serial number, windows can only recognize a cheap usb-serial
converter by the USB port is is plugged in, resulting in a different com
port number when you plug it in a different USB port. By adding this little
chip, such a converter would have the same com port number, no matter which
USB port on your PC you plug it into.

Meindert