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"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
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Jeff wrote:
* wrote, On 4/9/2007 11:20 PM:
... As anyone familiar with documentation understands, catamarans
are actually rated very high by the formula. My boat, for
example, is rated at 22 Gross Tons, even though her actual
displacement is only 4.5 tons.

Tonnage has nothing to do with the weight or displacement of your
boat.

Glenn Ashmore posted an explanation of tonnage a few years ago...I
saved it...here it is:

Tonnage has nothing to do with the weight of your boat. It is a
measure
of how much wine a vessel can carry.

The word "tun" was originally a size of a cask used to ship wine from
Spain & Portugal to England. In 1347 a tax of 3 shillings per tun
was
imposed and this was called "tonnage." A ship's size became known by
the
number of casks it could carry, and the word tonnage started being
used
to describe a ship's size.

It was found that if you took the length x the breadth x the depth of
the hold under the deck and divided by 100 it was close to the number
of
casks. That is where we get the "Measurement ton" of 100 cubic feet
per
ton.

There are several kinds of tonnage: The first two are used by the tax
collector. The next two are used by designers. The fifth and sixth
are
used by freight salesmen and canal operators and the last one is used
by
the USCG for documenting boats.

Gross Tonnage - is the internal volume in cubic feet of the vessel
minus certain spaces above the main or "tonnage" deck, like stacks and
ventilators, which are called "exemptions" .

Net Registered Tonnage - is obtained by deducting from the gross
tonnage
the volume of space that can't be used for paying cargo or
passengers,
that is to say the space occupied by the engines, the crew's quarter,
the stores, etc.

Displacement Tonnage - is the actual weight of the water "displaced"
by
the ship and is usually quoted in long tons of 2240 lbs.

Light Displacement Tonnage - is the weight with nothing in it.

Loaded Displacement Tonnage - is the fully loaded weight to the
maximum
and is on her summer draft in salt water.

Deadweight Tonnage - is the difference between Light and Loaded
Displacement Tonnage....the actual carrying capacity of the vessel.

Panama & Suez Canal Tonnages - these are different from the
internationally
accepted definitions. There used to be a lot of variations between
countries and the
canal owners thought they were being conned, so they came up with
their own definitions.

Simplified Measurement System - The USCG decided that all this was way
too
much for bureaucrats to deal with for yachts so they came up with
their own formula:

Take the horizontal distance between the outboard ends of the boat not
including rudders and bow sprits. Multiply that by the maximum beam
outside to outside.
Multiply that by the distance from the sheer line not including
bulwarks
or cap rails to the outside bottom of the hull not including the keel.
Add the volume of the deck house/cabin top. Multiply by .5 for
sailboats and .67 for power boats.
Divide by 100.

This will give you the "Gross Tonnage". Net tonnage is 90% of gross
for
sailboats and 80% for power boats.

It should be obvious to anyone who's managed to get this far that your
boat's "tonnage" no longer has anything to do with anything real; it
only exists in the mind of some government bureaucrat.

Another bit of maritime trivia: Rummage was the manner in which the
wine casks were stored in the hold of the ship and came to refer to
the whole ship's cargo. after a voyage any unclaimed and damaged cargo
was stacked on the dock beside the boat and offered for sale - a
rummage sale.



yadayadayadayada. yadayadyaydya. enuf. U think we kair whut girlz say.

whut a stoopid kunt. nobuddy cairz whut U poast. shut yore pi hole.
goway.

todd

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"Todd" wrote in message
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"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
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Another bit of maritime trivia: Rummage was the manner in which the wine
casks were stored in the hold of the ship and came to refer to the whole
ship's cargo. after a voyage any unclaimed and damaged cargo was stacked
on the dock beside the boat and offered for sale - a rummage sale.



yadayadayadayada. yadayadyaydya. enuf. U think we kair whut girlz say.

whut a stoopid kunt. nobuddy cairz whut U poast. shut yore pi hole. goway.

todd

Plonk

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Todd" wrote in message
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"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
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Another bit of maritime trivia: Rummage was the manner in which the
wine casks were stored in the hold of the ship and came to refer to
the whole ship's cargo. after a voyage any unclaimed and damaged
cargo was stacked on the dock beside the boat and offered for sale -
a rummage sale.



yadayadayadayada. yadayadyaydya. enuf. U think we kair whut girlz
say.

whut a stoopid kunt. nobuddy cairz whut U poast. shut yore pi hole.
goway.

todd

Plonk

shut dore wen U sit fat but on toylit. no wanna lissen 2 turd splash.
(he he he) bad enuf lissen to peggie hurl.

todd

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Peggie,

Thanks for that excellent exposition about a subject I used to be very
involved with professionally.

US regulatory tonnage has got to be the weirdest animal beauracrats ever
came up with. Make a boat less safe and less watertight and you can operate
it with a smaller and less experienced crew and less safety equipment.

A 100 Gross Ton vessel, the largest economic size for most passenger
operations due to other regulations, is under 100 feet long if you just
measure an ordinary vessel. Regulatory tonnage lets you play all sorts of
weird games with the structure and deck openings to make the vessel bigger
while measuring the same. I remember designing passenger boats with six
inch high decks because staterooms on decks above the main deck were
measured differently.

I once figured out how to design a 100 Gross Ton vessel 5000 feet long!

--
Roger Long

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On 9 Apr 2007 18:35:50 -0700, wrote:

There are no provincially registered boats in Canada. All the #'s
indicate port and the letter the province. The new #'s are probably
just to conform to computer fields. Boats are registered with Canada
Customs.
Any US boat with occupants that can cross by land without problems,
shouldn't have any arriving by water.

True, I should have said licensed provincially. However, that does not change
anything else. I used the term registered as the US members seem to use
documented for our registered and registered for our licensed.

Jan
"If you can't take a joke,you shouldn't have joined"

--
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In article ,
"KLC Lewis" wrote:

"Todd" wrote in message
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"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
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Another bit of maritime trivia: Rummage was the manner in which the wine
casks were stored in the hold of the ship and came to refer to the whole
ship's cargo. after a voyage any unclaimed and damaged cargo was stacked
on the dock beside the boat and offered for sale - a rummage sale.



yadayadayadayada. yadayadyaydya. enuf. U think we kair whut girlz say.

whut a stoopid kunt. nobuddy cairz whut U poast. shut yore pi hole. goway.

todd

Plonk

Me too

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* Molesworth wrote, On 4/10/2007 9:11 PM:
In article ,
"KLC Lewis" wrote:
....
Plonk

Me too

And yet you two bozos have to repeat it over and over. Most of us had
plonked him a long time ago, and thanks to you we have to see it again.

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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:49:09 -0400, Jan
wrote:

On 9 Apr 2007 18:35:50 -0700, wrote:

There are no provincially registered boats in Canada. All the #'s
indicate port and the letter the province. The new #'s are probably
just to conform to computer fields. Boats are registered with Canada
Customs.

True, I should have said licensed provincially. However, that does not change
anything else. I used the term registered as the US members seem to use
documented for our registered and registered for our licensed.

Both registration and licensing are federal matters - the provinces
don't deal with boat documentation, of whatever form, at all.
(However, they are apparently advised by the federal authorities when
boats change hands, so that the provinces can collect sales tax.) The
license numbers do indicate the location of the licensing office.



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I have done it, it is not a problem (West coast).

Cheers

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
If anyone has actually been to Canada in an undocumented boat with US
state registration, would you please let me know. Steve has me worried
with his post reply that he heard somewhere that documentation is
necessary. I spent quite a while on the www.cbsa.gc.ca site today but
couldn't find an answer. You can speak to someone but it's like waiting
for tech support.

I'm sure I would have heard of this if it was the case but things change
constantly with border security now and I'd hate to find out too late to
get the documentation.

--
Roger Long

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"Roger Long" wrote in
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If anyone has actually been to Canada in an undocumented boat with US
state registration

Roger! You're going the WRONG WAY! Canada is NORTH of Maine! Their snow
is DEEPER!

You need to come SOUTH....STEER 180!

It's been cool in SC, this week, but they're predicting 80F this weekend!

South!....SOUTH!! NO ICE FLOATING IN THE HARBOR! We even accept Maine
registered boats on SC waterways. "He came all the way down here from
Maine in THAT?!"..(c;

Larry
--
Damn, once they've been down 2500' in a minisub, they lose all sense of
direction. Must be too close to Earth's CORE!....(c;