Winter Cover Material
 

Canvas winter covers are expensive and rot out in about 10 years (Quoted
C$1400 for a 36x22). Cheap woven plastic tarps wear out in a year or two
(Can buy similar size for C$100 - $200)

Has anyone used any other type of cover? One would think that here would be
some type of synthetic fabric that would outlast canvas yet still have it's
weight and abrasion resistance.

Winter Cover Material
 

Sunbrella?


"Graham" wrote in message
...
Canvas winter covers are expensive and rot out in about 10 years (Quoted
C$1400 for a 36x22). Cheap woven plastic tarps wear out in a year or two
(Can buy similar size for C$100 - $200)

Has anyone used any other type of cover? One would think that here would be
some type of synthetic fabric that would outlast canvas yet still have it's
weight and abrasion resistance.

Winter Cover Material
 

About 10 years ago I bought a 40x20 plastic tarp for $200 from The
Chandlery here in Ottawa. It is black on one side, silver grey on the
other, and has a filament woven in it. Although it has a couple of
small holes, and is a bit ratty, I think it has a couple of more years
left in it.


"Graham" wrote:

Canvas winter covers are expensive and rot out in about 10 years (Quoted
C$1400 for a 36x22). Cheap woven plastic tarps wear out in a year or two
(Can buy similar size for C$100 - $200)

Has anyone used any other type of cover? One would think that here would be
some type of synthetic fabric that would outlast canvas yet still have it's
weight and abrasion resistance.


Larry Bradley VE3CRX
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Winter Cover Material
 

Graham wrote:

Canvas winter covers are expensive and rot out in about 10 years (Quoted
C$1400 for a 36x22). Cheap woven plastic tarps wear out in a year or two
(Can buy similar size for C$100 - $200)

Has anyone used any other type of cover? One would think that here would be
some type of synthetic fabric that would outlast canvas yet still have it's
weight and abrasion resistance.


Graham! I should think *you* of all people should know that answer! (I
first "met" Graham on the Tanzer list about a decade ago. He's a person
that I would defer to when he had an opinion.)

From my experience and gleanings, the "silver" premium plastic tarps
seem to have a bit better longevity, but a good supporting structure --
which can be more costly than the tarp -- is the primary determinant on
the covering's survival.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Winter Cover Material
 

Sunbrella?


I have see 20 years of service from a full (38') Sunbrella cover for my last
sail boat. It went into the shop about once every 5 years for minor repairs,
due to chafe and towards its end we put a new layer of Subrella at the
peak/high stress area.

Most of this time period was in So. Calif. (LA smog area).

The cover cost the previous owner about $1500 in '76 and it was turned over
to the the fellow I sold the boat to in '96.

However, ya gotta be careful that your canvas shop is going to use True
Sunbrella. Some will insist that what they use is 'just as good'..


--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

Winter Cover Material
 

Where are you buying your tarps from?!? I bought a 30 x 20 Heavy Duty 14x14
mesh (the heavist I could find) with a 1000 micron coating for $36 as
Princess Auto. they were on sale. Normally they are $50 If you really want
to get fancy, shrink wrap, Otherwise spend $50 every other year. Pretty
cheap way to cover the boat.

I only bought the 30 foot long one as my mast is my ridge pole and I wanted
it fully covered (the boat is 22')


What size boat are you covering?

Pierre

"Mole" wrote in message
t...
Sunbrella?


"Graham" wrote in message
...
Canvas winter covers are expensive and rot out in about 10 years (Quoted
C$1400 for a 36x22). Cheap woven plastic tarps wear out in a year or two
(Can buy similar size for C$100 - $200)

Has anyone used any other type of cover? One would think that here would
be
some type of synthetic fabric that would outlast canvas yet still have
it's
weight and abrasion resistance.

Winter Cover Material
 

Hi Jere,
It has been a while since the T-22 days, and unfortunately I don't have a
good answer for my own question as to a suitable tarp material for a 32 ft
boat!

I had not thought of Sunbrella as a cover material, mainly because it is
quite costly - I was hoping for a suggestion somewhere between a C$100
plastic tarp and a C$1400 canvas tarp - Perhaps heavier duty woven plastic
would be better - Owners say that the silver ones stand up better.

I have heard that down east, owners sometimes throw an old fishing net over
the plastic tarp and that this stops the self destruction by vibration.

Good Ideas can always be gleaned from groups like this - thus the question!

I suppose that a good supporting frame might help - I have used the mast,
laced rope supports and added foam wrapping around any exposed points that
might cut the tarp. Probably not the best, but hopefully adequate.

By the way, we have retired from the boating business!

Graham

"Jere Lull" wrote in message
...
Graham wrote:

Canvas winter covers are expensive and rot out in about 10 years (Quoted
C$1400 for a 36x22). Cheap woven plastic tarps wear out in a year or two
(Can buy similar size for C$100 - $200)

Has anyone used any other type of cover? One would think that here would
be
some type of synthetic fabric that would outlast canvas yet still have
it's
weight and abrasion resistance.


Graham! I should think *you* of all people should know that answer! (I
first "met" Graham on the Tanzer list about a decade ago. He's a person
that I would defer to when he had an opinion.)

From my experience and gleanings, the "silver" premium plastic tarps
seem to have a bit better longevity, but a good supporting structure --
which can be more costly than the tarp -- is the primary determinant on
the covering's survival.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Winter Cover Material
 

I checked out Princess Auto - For a single tarp to cover a 32' boat, nearest
size was 40x30 at $139.99. Slightly less for two tarps of more suitable
size. I bought a swimming pool cover (~38x22) locally for $99.00 but it may
not be as good a quality and it does not have grommets or bolt rope - just
loops of same material around edge.

Graham

"98stratus" wrote Where are you buying your tarps from?!? I bought a 30
x 20 Heavy Duty 14x14
mesh (the heavist I could find) with a 1000 micron coating for $36 as
Princess Auto. they were on sale. Normally they are $50 If you really
want
to get fancy, shrink wrap, Otherwise spend $50 every other year. Pretty
cheap way to cover the boat.

Winter Cover Material
 

I checked out Princess Auto - For a single tarp to cover a 32' boat, nearest
size was 40x30 at $139.99. Slightly less for two tarps of more suitable
size. I bought a swimming pool cover (~38x22) locally for $99.00 but it may
not be as good a quality and it does not have grommets or bolt rope - just
loops of same material around edge.

Graham

"98stratus" wrote Where are you buying your tarps from?!? I bought a 30
x 20 Heavy Duty 14x14
mesh (the heavist I could find) with a 1000 micron coating for $36 as
Princess Auto. they were on sale. Normally they are $50 If you really
want
to get fancy, shrink wrap, Otherwise spend $50 every other year. Pretty
cheap way to cover the boat.

Winter Cover Material - TYVEK?
 

One material that I have not seen in shops but is talked about for car
covers etc is Dupont's Tyvek - This is a white material that is very tough -
You see this used for Fedex envelopes and for sheathing houses. It is
apparently waterproof and very light. Anyone know of anyone making boat
tarps from this material? Any experience with it?

Graham

Winter Cover Material - TYVEK?
 

One material that I have not seen in shops but is talked about for car
covers etc is Dupont's Tyvek - This is a white material that is very tough -
You see this used for Fedex envelopes and for sheathing houses. It is
apparently waterproof and very light. Anyone know of anyone making boat
tarps from this material? Any experience with it?

Graham

Winter Cover Material
 

I have no experience with Tyvek as a cover, but it is apparently used:

http://www.widgets.ws/prod/Barts-Wat...at-Covers.html

We use a hevay duty tarp on our boat. Some synthetic textile covered
with PVC on both sides. The kind you see on covered trucks. Definitely not
lightweight, but very durable. I have no idea of the cost, as it came
with the boat when we bought it secondhand.

--
Strange attractors stole my wife

Winter Cover Material
 

I have no experience with Tyvek as a cover, but it is apparently used:

http://www.widgets.ws/prod/Barts-Wat...at-Covers.html

We use a hevay duty tarp on our boat. Some synthetic textile covered
with PVC on both sides. The kind you see on covered trucks. Definitely not
lightweight, but very durable. I have no idea of the cost, as it came
with the boat when we bought it secondhand.

--
Strange attractors stole my wife

Winter Cover Material
 

We have used the same heavy oiled canvas tarp cover on our boat for 14 years,
and it is still good to go (although will need to have the stitching redone
next year). These are available from Defender. Sunbrella does not fare well
with abrasion we have found.

Larry DeMers


Graham wrote:

Canvas winter covers are expensive and rot out in about 10 years (Quoted
C$1400 for a 36x22). Cheap woven plastic tarps wear out in a year or two
(Can buy similar size for C$100 - $200)

Has anyone used any other type of cover? One would think that here would be
some type of synthetic fabric that would outlast canvas yet still have it's
weight and abrasion resistance.

Winter Cover Material
 

We have used the same heavy oiled canvas tarp cover on our boat for 14 years,
and it is still good to go (although will need to have the stitching redone
next year). These are available from Defender. Sunbrella does not fare well
with abrasion we have found.

Larry DeMers


Graham wrote:

Canvas winter covers are expensive and rot out in about 10 years (Quoted
C$1400 for a 36x22). Cheap woven plastic tarps wear out in a year or two
(Can buy similar size for C$100 - $200)

Has anyone used any other type of cover? One would think that here would be
some type of synthetic fabric that would outlast canvas yet still have it's
weight and abrasion resistance.

Winter Cover Material
 

We generally recommend Surlast. It is lighter in weight than Sunbrella
and is just as durable if not a little more. Restitching every few years
is normal unless you use Gortex thread which is generally more expensive
than you would want for a cover. Fixing chafe points etc is just normal
maintenance for something like a cover. Blue plastic tarps are generally
a poor choice as they tend to act alot like sandpaper, especially if placed
over canvas items like biminis and dodgers. We had a case where one
caused damage when used through only one storm.

Doug

"Graham" wrote in message
...
Canvas winter covers are expensive and rot out in about 10 years (Quoted
C$1400 for a 36x22). Cheap woven plastic tarps wear out in a year or two
(Can buy similar size for C$100 - $200)

Has anyone used any other type of cover? One would think that here would
be
some type of synthetic fabric that would outlast canvas yet still have
it's
weight and abrasion resistance.

Winter Cover Material
 

We generally recommend Surlast. It is lighter in weight than Sunbrella
and is just as durable if not a little more. Restitching every few years
is normal unless you use Gortex thread which is generally more expensive
than you would want for a cover. Fixing chafe points etc is just normal
maintenance for something like a cover. Blue plastic tarps are generally
a poor choice as they tend to act alot like sandpaper, especially if placed
over canvas items like biminis and dodgers. We had a case where one
caused damage when used through only one storm.

Doug

"Graham" wrote in message
...
Canvas winter covers are expensive and rot out in about 10 years (Quoted
C$1400 for a 36x22). Cheap woven plastic tarps wear out in a year or two
(Can buy similar size for C$100 - $200)

Has anyone used any other type of cover? One would think that here would
be
some type of synthetic fabric that would outlast canvas yet still have
it's
weight and abrasion resistance.

Winter Cover Material - TYVEK?
 

I'm thinking hard about using Tyvek this year to cover my pearson 422. You
can buy it at Home Depot in wide rolls. Dupont advocates using it for
covers, see http://www.tyvek.com/na/covers/english/. It has also been
advocated for sails: http://www.boat-links.com/Tyvek/ and for hiking.

The problems I see are 1) I'm not sure about its abrasion resistance, 2) how
to join it at the seams, and 3) how to attach grommets (I saw an article
that said there is a problem). I have used Tyvek tape (not made of Tyvek -
used to join it) to hold blue tarps together over the winter and it faired
better than any other tape I have used. DuPont gives instructions for
sewing on their web site, but that's not something I want to get into until
I have a workable pattern. Maybe the tape is good enough???

Derek


"Graham" wrote in message
...
One material that I have not seen in shops but is talked about for car
covers etc is Dupont's Tyvek - This is a white material that is very
tough -
You see this used for Fedex envelopes and for sheathing houses. It is
apparently waterproof and very light. Anyone know of anyone making boat
tarps from this material? Any experience with it?

Graham

Winter Cover Material - TYVEK?
 

I'm thinking hard about using Tyvek this year to cover my pearson 422. You
can buy it at Home Depot in wide rolls. Dupont advocates using it for
covers, see http://www.tyvek.com/na/covers/english/. It has also been
advocated for sails: http://www.boat-links.com/Tyvek/ and for hiking.

The problems I see are 1) I'm not sure about its abrasion resistance, 2) how
to join it at the seams, and 3) how to attach grommets (I saw an article
that said there is a problem). I have used Tyvek tape (not made of Tyvek -
used to join it) to hold blue tarps together over the winter and it faired
better than any other tape I have used. DuPont gives instructions for
sewing on their web site, but that's not something I want to get into until
I have a workable pattern. Maybe the tape is good enough???

Derek


"Graham" wrote in message
...
One material that I have not seen in shops but is talked about for car
covers etc is Dupont's Tyvek - This is a white material that is very
tough -
You see this used for Fedex envelopes and for sheathing houses. It is
apparently waterproof and very light. Anyone know of anyone making boat
tarps from this material? Any experience with it?

Graham

Winter Cover Material - TYVEK?
 

Interesting links, I always just thought Tyvek was housewrap.

I wonder how this stuff compares to sunbrella fabric?

"Derek Rowell" wrote in message
...
I'm thinking hard about using Tyvek this year to cover my pearson 422.
You
can buy it at Home Depot in wide rolls. Dupont advocates using it for
covers, see http://www.tyvek.com/na/covers/english/. It has also been
advocated for sails: http://www.boat-links.com/Tyvek/ and for hiking.

The problems I see are 1) I'm not sure about its abrasion resistance, 2)
how
to join it at the seams, and 3) how to attach grommets (I saw an article
that said there is a problem). I have used Tyvek tape (not made of
Tyvek -
used to join it) to hold blue tarps together over the winter and it faired
better than any other tape I have used. DuPont gives instructions for
sewing on their web site, but that's not something I want to get into
until
I have a workable pattern. Maybe the tape is good enough???

Derek


"Graham" wrote in message
...
One material that I have not seen in shops but is talked about for car
covers etc is Dupont's Tyvek - This is a white material that is very
tough -
You see this used for Fedex envelopes and for sheathing houses. It is
apparently waterproof and very light. Anyone know of anyone making boat
tarps from this material? Any experience with it?

Graham

Winter Cover Material - TYVEK?
 

Interesting links, I always just thought Tyvek was housewrap.

I wonder how this stuff compares to sunbrella fabric?

"Derek Rowell" wrote in message
...
I'm thinking hard about using Tyvek this year to cover my pearson 422.
You
can buy it at Home Depot in wide rolls. Dupont advocates using it for
covers, see http://www.tyvek.com/na/covers/english/. It has also been
advocated for sails: http://www.boat-links.com/Tyvek/ and for hiking.

The problems I see are 1) I'm not sure about its abrasion resistance, 2)
how
to join it at the seams, and 3) how to attach grommets (I saw an article
that said there is a problem). I have used Tyvek tape (not made of
Tyvek -
used to join it) to hold blue tarps together over the winter and it faired
better than any other tape I have used. DuPont gives instructions for
sewing on their web site, but that's not something I want to get into
until
I have a workable pattern. Maybe the tape is good enough???

Derek


"Graham" wrote in message
...
One material that I have not seen in shops but is talked about for car
covers etc is Dupont's Tyvek - This is a white material that is very
tough -
You see this used for Fedex envelopes and for sheathing houses. It is
apparently waterproof and very light. Anyone know of anyone making boat
tarps from this material? Any experience with it?

Graham

Winter Cover Material - TYVEK?
 

Different purposes. Not fair to compare. Many boats
around here are shrinkwrapped for the winter but using
shrinkwrap material for a bimini would look kind of
tacky. But if could sell Tyvek for $22/yd I could retire :)

Doug

"Paul" wrote in message
ble.rogers.com...
Interesting links, I always just thought Tyvek was housewrap.

I wonder how this stuff compares to sunbrella fabric?

"Derek Rowell" wrote in message
...
I'm thinking hard about using Tyvek this year to cover my pearson 422.
You
can buy it at Home Depot in wide rolls. Dupont advocates using it for
covers, see http://www.tyvek.com/na/covers/english/. It has also been
advocated for sails: http://www.boat-links.com/Tyvek/ and for hiking.

The problems I see are 1) I'm not sure about its abrasion resistance, 2)
how
to join it at the seams, and 3) how to attach grommets (I saw an article
that said there is a problem). I have used Tyvek tape (not made of
Tyvek -
used to join it) to hold blue tarps together over the winter and it
faired
better than any other tape I have used. DuPont gives instructions for
sewing on their web site, but that's not something I want to get into
until
I have a workable pattern. Maybe the tape is good enough???

Derek


"Graham" wrote in message
...
One material that I have not seen in shops but is talked about for car
covers etc is Dupont's Tyvek - This is a white material that is very
tough -
You see this used for Fedex envelopes and for sheathing houses. It is
apparently waterproof and very light. Anyone know of anyone making
boat
tarps from this material? Any experience with it?

Graham

Winter Cover Material - TYVEK?
 

Different purposes. Not fair to compare. Many boats
around here are shrinkwrapped for the winter but using
shrinkwrap material for a bimini would look kind of
tacky. But if could sell Tyvek for $22/yd I could retire :)

Doug

"Paul" wrote in message
ble.rogers.com...
Interesting links, I always just thought Tyvek was housewrap.

I wonder how this stuff compares to sunbrella fabric?

"Derek Rowell" wrote in message
...
I'm thinking hard about using Tyvek this year to cover my pearson 422.
You
can buy it at Home Depot in wide rolls. Dupont advocates using it for
covers, see http://www.tyvek.com/na/covers/english/. It has also been
advocated for sails: http://www.boat-links.com/Tyvek/ and for hiking.

The problems I see are 1) I'm not sure about its abrasion resistance, 2)
how
to join it at the seams, and 3) how to attach grommets (I saw an article
that said there is a problem). I have used Tyvek tape (not made of
Tyvek -
used to join it) to hold blue tarps together over the winter and it
faired
better than any other tape I have used. DuPont gives instructions for
sewing on their web site, but that's not something I want to get into
until
I have a workable pattern. Maybe the tape is good enough???

Derek


"Graham" wrote in message
...
One material that I have not seen in shops but is talked about for car
covers etc is Dupont's Tyvek - This is a white material that is very
tough -
You see this used for Fedex envelopes and for sheathing houses. It is
apparently waterproof and very light. Anyone know of anyone making
boat
tarps from this material? Any experience with it?

Graham