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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:55:16 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: Intending to start my spring work, I went up to Marinette WI were I keep Essie, about a 40 minute drive up the western shore of Green Bay. Had lunch, went to the marina, found that during the past few weeks in which we actually had winter snow, someone has been shoveling the snow and piling it up in several places -- most inconveniently, under the port buttocks of Escapade. Did my best to clear through the remaining snow and ice so that I could place my ladder for boarding, but couldn't get through the four inches or so located just exactly where I needed to put the ladder legs to get through the door in my winter shrink-wrap cover. Bugger it all. On the bright side, it appears that I'm the only one who thinks that it's time to be getting the boat ready for spring. Not another living soul at the marina. Karin Hi Karin, I'm afraid that I can't feel sorry for you. Down here in Trinidad it is quite the opposite. Undertaking any physical effort at all means that perspiration literally pours off. Trying to hand sand something for example means that you have to move your head to one side of the piece of work so that sweat does not drip and cause the sandpaper to clog. Shorts offer no protection from the sun and trousers are too hot so I wear a sarong all day - fine at home in Malaysia where everyone wears them, but here.. the comments have died down now about my "dress". It gets so hot during the early afternoon that sitting down for a break and a cup of coffee usually results in falling asleep. I would just love to be able to stand in your wonderful invigorating cold for just a few minutes now and then during the working day. If everything is frozen, how long is your boating season? cheers Peter |
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:55:16 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: Intending to start my spring work, I went up to Marinette WI were I keep Essie, about a 40 minute drive up the western shore of Green Bay. Had lunch, went to the marina, found that during the past few weeks in which we actually had winter snow, someone has been shoveling the snow and piling it up in several places -- most inconveniently, under the port buttocks of Escapade. Did my best to clear through the remaining snow and ice so that I could place my ladder for boarding, but couldn't get through the four inches or so located just exactly where I needed to put the ladder legs to get through the door in my winter shrink-wrap cover. Bugger it all. On the bright side, it appears that I'm the only one who thinks that it's time to be getting the boat ready for spring. Not another living soul at the marina. Karin Hi Karin, In New Zealand, being more temperate, the only time we take our boats out of the water is to antifoul and we sail all year, even though the weather in winter can be a little too stormy and colder. In Malaysia, the only difference in the two seasons is that one rains more often - apart from the typhoons on the South China Sea side. Out of curiosity (this damned rain is a good excuse), I looked up Green Bay on Google Earth and in Cmap. It seems a wonderful place to sail or just potter about in a boat. There are a lot of good protected and shallow anchorages, especially about the islands to the north where one could seek shelter from all weathers. I had not realised that Lake Michigan had such a protected arm. Question: With the aforesaid, why do you not leave your boat in the water all year? Does the bay freeze over? I honestly have no idea. The only place I have experienced winters cold enough to freeze large bodies of water is in China. In New Zealand or Australia, if we want snow we have to travel to the mountains in winter time. Oh, we once camped in central Turkey in our mountain tent (essential part of cruising gear) where it got - 20 degrees celcius, but there were no lakes there, just snow on the ground. I always envied you North Americans your white Christmas, making snowmen, ice skating and cutting holes in the ice to go fishing. cheers Peter Hendra |
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:21:50 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: Yah, Long Beach California was that way too -- like New Zealand, only not as pretty. Boats stay in the water year round and you can pretty much go sailing any time you want. Therefore, since there is no sense of urgency about it, people have a "Manana" attitude. You can always go sailing tomorrow -- today, there's beer to be drunk! As for keeping the boat in the water year round here... It's not all that uncommon for people, at the coldest period of the year, to DRIVE across Green Bay. Ice gets to be a couple of feet thick. Yes, these are stupid people, but they still do it. Enough said. I now understand. I've seen old movie footage of the Russians laying railway tracks across some lake in Russia (possibly Lake Baikal) but for me, to even walk on frozen water in Beijing was initially a rather strange and novel experience. We left Turkey for northern Greece at the end of January 2004. We couldn't understand why we never saw another sailboat until we saw a Swedish boat when nearing Athens a couple of months later. The weather was OK if you kept an eye on it but we experienced probably the worst seas ever in the Northern Aegean - short and steep. Once, we were anchored in an enclosed bay on the southern coast of Lesbos, had winds of over 60 knots and raced on deck expecting the mast to have crashed down only to find great chunks of solid ice from the spreaders on the cabin top. If I translate that to your cruising area, I suppose I wouldn't be too far wrong. Thanks for educating me, Peter |
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:15:16 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: Karin, Beautiful country. I can't believe how densely populated it is. Pleasantly zooming around on Google Earth clearly shows the glaciated landscape. Are harbours such as Franfort free anchoring or do you have to pay? I refer to the outer harbour as there seem to be many piles in the inner one. I had dreamed, many years ago of sailing up the Hudson/Eire canal and down the Chicago Sanitary canal to the Bay of Mexico. I doubt now that I'll do it but it is still tempting and I might still head north after leaving Trinidad. Florida is only two weeks away. The trouble with cruising is that you take much longer than you planned as there are so many interesting places to side track to and who wants to rush things. cheers Peter Summers make up for it. We have such wonderful cruising grounds to visit -- several islands are within half a day's sail, along with several nice little anchorages and ports. I can sail over to Sturgeon Bay and transit the canal in about 4-5 hours, then sail overnight to the eastern shore of Lake Michigan, where there are some fantastic little towns to visit like Leland and Frankfort. Haven't done the "Crossing the Lake" sail yet, but it's in my plans for this year, Insh'Allah. Sailing north in Green Bay takes me to Washington Island -- wonderful Scandanavian architecture, three harbors but two of them are very thin water and one is very deep. Detroit Harbor on the southern end of Washington Island is the best of the three (others are Jackson Harbor -- a tiny little lagoon -- and Washington Harbor, which is 80 feet deep and rocky) but the channel into the anchorage is very narrow and is bounded by sand/mud at about 2-3 feet depth. Further north takes us into either Little Bay de Noc to the west (Escanaba and Gladstone, Michigan) or Big Bay de Noc further east. BBdN has a super place to visit -- Fayette, Michigan -- which is an old abandoned steel mill town which has been turned into a state park. The harbor, "Snailshell Harbor," is gorgeous. Not huge, but it doesn't get a whole lot of traffic except around July 4th week. Can't wait to get sailing again! :-) |
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:01:48 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:49:10 +1000, Peter Hendra wrote: I had dreamed, many years ago of sailing up the Hudson/Eire canal and down the Chicago Sanitary canal to the Bay of Mexico. I doubt now that I'll do it but it is still tempting and I might still head north after leaving Trinidad. Florida is only two weeks away. Do you know John and Penny from the Skookum 53 "Seahorse" in Trinidad? They winter in Trinidad and go back up the Hudson River to Lake Champlain in the spring. That's a great trip and they are nice folks. Say hello for me if you run into them, Wayne and Diane from the Grand Banks 49 trawler. Hi Wayne, There are four major yards here with mostly American boats in them plus a marina attached to the Cruise In Hotel. I'll ask around and give your regards should I find them. I am learning to speak with a slow drawl like a mentally challenged person and mispronounce some of my words, so they should be able to understand me. I've even learned to curb my humour as I've discovered that Americans do not readily understand my Antipodean one which is often based on puns - seemingly foreign to them. Actually, for an ex-British colony, this country has many hallmarks of a US territory partly because Chagaramas was at one time, the largest American base in the world. Given by the British in exchange for the lend-lease destroyers etc in 1941, at one time there were about 400,000 servicemen based here as well as at the two military airfields. Another reason for the American-ness of the place is that, as I said, there are so many US citizens here. Prices in catalogues (again - correct spelling as in "colour" and programme") are often in US. I had the teak on top of my hatches replaced - quoted in US dollars not TT ones. Gallons are 3.7 litres, not 4.2 as in the rest of the world, power is 110 volts, weight is in pounds and ounces - not kilos. Bolts are not metric (they import Japanese cars so must have problems), and linear measure is in feet and inches, not the far simpler metre, centimetre and millimetre where, like the kilo, you just move the decimal point. AWG is fine, but everywhere else uses cross sectional area in millimetres - so much easier to calculate loss due to resistance. Last week I needed a new copper pipe for my compressor - couldn't get any metric. I went to buy some wire - $TT 10 on the price ticket - reasonable I thought for a yard or a metre - then I found that it was priced by the foot. At least time is still based upon 24 hours in a day and 365.25 days in a year. I would spit tacks if the American system had more hours in a day. I work long enough on this boat as it is already. Still, most people are very friendly and helpful, are relaxed about life and behave politely to each other as if they are in continual holiday mode. I hesitate however to address people in the Australian manner with "Gidday mate" least it been interpreted as being suggestive. cheers Peter |
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Intending to start my spring work, I went up to Marinette WI were I keep
Essie, about a 40 minute drive up the western shore of Green Bay. Had lunch, went to the marina, found that during the past few weeks in which we actually had winter snow, someone has been shoveling the snow and piling it up in several places -- most inconveniently, under the port buttocks of Escapade. Did my best to clear through the remaining snow and ice so that I could place my ladder for boarding, but couldn't get through the four inches or so located just exactly where I needed to put the ladder legs to get through the door in my winter shrink-wrap cover. Bugger it all. On the bright side, it appears that I'm the only one who thinks that it's time to be getting the boat ready for spring. Not another living soul at the marina. Karin |
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:18:11 +1000, Peter Hendra
wrote: If everything is frozen, how long is your boating season? Heh. It was on Wednesday last year. |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message ... I've been going up to the boat a lot: http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/2007Work.htm -- Roger Long Thanks for the link. I really like the way this page works. http://home.maine.rr.com/bmssez/06Cruise.htm Very good idea! Nice way to put some order into what would otherwise be chaos for those unfamiliar with that coastline. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Peter Hendra" wrote in message ... Hi Karin, I'm afraid that I can't feel sorry for you. Down here in Trinidad it is quite the opposite. Undertaking any physical effort at all means that perspiration literally pours off. Trying to hand sand something for example means that you have to move your head to one side of the piece of work so that sweat does not drip and cause the sandpaper to clog. Shorts offer no protection from the sun and trousers are too hot so I wear a sarong all day - fine at home in Malaysia where everyone wears them, but here.. the comments have died down now about my "dress". It gets so hot during the early afternoon that sitting down for a break and a cup of coffee usually results in falling asleep. I would just love to be able to stand in your wonderful invigorating cold for just a few minutes now and then during the working day. If everything is frozen, how long is your boating season? cheers Peter I can empathize, Peter. In mid August, we can have spells of near 100 degrees (on a real thermometer, not those fake European ones with the funny scale) and humidity around 80%. I tend to "rain" when I get even a little warm anyway, so when it's like that I'm one miserable puppy. Today it's beautiful, around 60 degrees and maybe 40% humidity. My idea of Heaven. Rivers are mostly clearing of ice now where there's any flow, but the bay still has major ice sheets. Should clear in another week or two, I'm scheduled for launch the week of April 22nd, so I have just about a month now to get my "on the hard" work done. Karin |
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"Peter Hendra" wrote in message ... Hi Karin, In New Zealand, being more temperate, the only time we take our boats out of the water is to antifoul and we sail all year, even though the weather in winter can be a little too stormy and colder. In Malaysia, the only difference in the two seasons is that one rains more often - apart from the typhoons on the South China Sea side. Out of curiosity (this damned rain is a good excuse), I looked up Green Bay on Google Earth and in Cmap. It seems a wonderful place to sail or just potter about in a boat. There are a lot of good protected and shallow anchorages, especially about the islands to the north where one could seek shelter from all weathers. I had not realised that Lake Michigan had such a protected arm. Question: With the aforesaid, why do you not leave your boat in the water all year? Does the bay freeze over? I honestly have no idea. The only place I have experienced winters cold enough to freeze large bodies of water is in China. In New Zealand or Australia, if we want snow we have to travel to the mountains in winter time. Oh, we once camped in central Turkey in our mountain tent (essential part of cruising gear) where it got - 20 degrees celcius, but there were no lakes there, just snow on the ground. I always envied you North Americans your white Christmas, making snowmen, ice skating and cutting holes in the ice to go fishing. cheers Peter Hendra Yah, Long Beach California was that way too -- like New Zealand, only not as pretty. Boats stay in the water year round and you can pretty much go sailing any time you want. Therefore, since there is no sense of urgency about it, people have a "Manana" attitude. You can always go sailing tomorrow -- today, there's beer to be drunk! As for keeping the boat in the water year round here... It's not all that uncommon for people, at the coldest period of the year, to DRIVE across Green Bay. Ice gets to be a couple of feet thick. Yes, these are stupid people, but they still do it. |
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"Peter Hendra" wrote in message ... Enough said. I now understand. I've seen old movie footage of the Russians laying railway tracks across some lake in Russia (possibly Lake Baikal) but for me, to even walk on frozen water in Beijing was initially a rather strange and novel experience. We left Turkey for northern Greece at the end of January 2004. We couldn't understand why we never saw another sailboat until we saw a Swedish boat when nearing Athens a couple of months later. The weather was OK if you kept an eye on it but we experienced probably the worst seas ever in the Northern Aegean - short and steep. Once, we were anchored in an enclosed bay on the southern coast of Lesbos, had winds of over 60 knots and raced on deck expecting the mast to have crashed down only to find great chunks of solid ice from the spreaders on the cabin top. If I translate that to your cruising area, I suppose I wouldn't be too far wrong. Thanks for educating me, Peter Summers make up for it. We have such wonderful cruising grounds to visit -- several islands are within half a day's sail, along with several nice little anchorages and ports. I can sail over to Sturgeon Bay and transit the canal in about 4-5 hours, then sail overnight to the eastern shore of Lake Michigan, where there are some fantastic little towns to visit like Leland and Frankfort. Haven't done the "Crossing the Lake" sail yet, but it's in my plans for this year, Insh'Allah. Sailing north in Green Bay takes me to Washington Island -- wonderful Scandanavian architecture, three harbors but two of them are very thin water and one is very deep. Detroit Harbor on the southern end of Washington Island is the best of the three (others are Jackson Harbor -- a tiny little lagoon -- and Washington Harbor, which is 80 feet deep and rocky) but the channel into the anchorage is very narrow and is bounded by sand/mud at about 2-3 feet depth. Further north takes us into either Little Bay de Noc to the west (Escanaba and Gladstone, Michigan) or Big Bay de Noc further east. BBdN has a super place to visit -- Fayette, Michigan -- which is an old abandoned steel mill town which has been turned into a state park. The harbor, "Snailshell Harbor," is gorgeous. Not huge, but it doesn't get a whole lot of traffic except around July 4th week. Can't wait to get sailing again! :-) |
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"Peter Hendra" wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:15:16 -0600, "KLC Lewis" wrote: Karin, Beautiful country. I can't believe how densely populated it is. Pleasantly zooming around on Google Earth clearly shows the glaciated landscape. Are harbours such as Franfort free anchoring or do you have to pay? I refer to the outer harbour as there seem to be many piles in the inner one. I had dreamed, many years ago of sailing up the Hudson/Eire canal and down the Chicago Sanitary canal to the Bay of Mexico. I doubt now that I'll do it but it is still tempting and I might still head north after leaving Trinidad. Florida is only two weeks away. The trouble with cruising is that you take much longer than you planned as there are so many interesting places to side track to and who wants to rush things. cheers Peter The outer harbor at Frankfort is free anchorage, deeper to the north side of the channel, shallower to the south. There are also "Special Anchorages" designated in the inner harbor, but I've not seen them yet. Most anchorages in these parts are free, though good holding ground very near towns can be difficult to find. Most of these have been co-opted with moorings. My favorite close anchorage, safe in all but north winds, is on Chambers Island on the north end. Very popular in the summer. Others are the cove on the south side of Horseshoe Island, and Nicolet Bay just south of it. These are both just west of the Village of Ephraim, just a dinghy ride away. |
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:49:10 +1000, Peter Hendra
wrote: I had dreamed, many years ago of sailing up the Hudson/Eire canal and down the Chicago Sanitary canal to the Bay of Mexico. I doubt now that I'll do it but it is still tempting and I might still head north after leaving Trinidad. Florida is only two weeks away. Do you know John and Penny from the Skookum 53 "Seahorse" in Trinidad? They winter in Trinidad and go back up the Hudson River to Lake Champlain in the spring. That's a great trip and they are nice folks. Say hello for me if you run into them, Wayne and Diane from the Grand Banks 49 trawler. |
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Peter Hendra wrote in
: If everything is frozen, how long is your boating season? cheers Peter Peter, the correct question to ask people from the North and Canadians is: "What day was Summer last year?" That always gets a better "rise" out of them....hee hee. Larry -- |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:42:39 +0000, Larry wrote:
"Dennis Pogson" wrote in : It's called "global warming" and I am told we should all be doing something about it, such as giving up our gas-guzzling cars and buying tiny electric ones. Way too much Al Gore. The earth is in one of the coldest eras of its history (unless you're a Christian that believes the Universe is only 6000 years old). Correction Larry, 6,010 years Archbishop Usher set the date as 9am in the morning of the 10th of October 4004 BC And......., you've neglected to cite him as a source. We don't want any more nasty recriminations do we? cheers Peter As to the CO2 causing "global warming", you need to put the graphs together for the last several thousand years. Larry |
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Peter Hendra wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:55:16 -0600, "KLC Lewis" wrote: Intending to start my spring work, I went up to Marinette WI were I keep Essie, about a 40 minute drive up the western shore of Green Bay. Had lunch, went to the marina, found that during the past few weeks in which we actually had winter snow, someone has been shoveling the snow and piling it up in several places -- most inconveniently, under the port buttocks of Escapade. Did my best to clear through the remaining snow and ice so that I could place my ladder for boarding, but couldn't get through the four inches or so located just exactly where I needed to put the ladder legs to get through the door in my winter shrink-wrap cover. Bugger it all. On the bright side, it appears that I'm the only one who thinks that it's time to be getting the boat ready for spring. Not another living soul at the marina. Karin Hi Karin, I'm afraid that I can't feel sorry for you. Down here in Trinidad it is quite the opposite. Undertaking any physical effort at all means that perspiration literally pours off. Trying to hand sand something for example means that you have to move your head to one side of the piece of work so that sweat does not drip and cause the sandpaper to clog. Shorts offer no protection from the sun and trousers are too hot so I wear a sarong all day - fine at home in Malaysia where everyone wears them, but here.. the comments have died down now about my "dress". It gets so hot during the early afternoon that sitting down for a break and a cup of coffee usually results in falling asleep. I would just love to be able to stand in your wonderful invigorating cold for just a few minutes now and then during the working day. If everything is frozen, how long is your boating season? cheers Peter It's called "global warming" and I am told we should all be doing something about it, such as giving up our gas-guzzling cars and buying tiny electric ones. Maybe you should frog-march one of these idiots to your boat and force him to clear the snow. He will take a sample and tell you it's from the Greenland ice cap. Poor sods, should we get them all certified? Dennis. |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... Peter Hendra wrote in : If everything is frozen, how long is your boating season? cheers Peter Peter, the correct question to ask people from the North and Canadians is: "What day was Summer last year?" That always gets a better "rise" out of them....hee hee. Larry -- I'll have you know we have a lovely six week summer up here... July & 1st half of August (if it doesn't rain too much) After that, it's a very pleasant autumn. |
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I bet. btw-- next time you rewire something, getr some white 1/2 -- 3/4" shrinktube from McMaster-Carr or Allied and use it to label each wire with a Sharpie. Life is pretty soft now -- I don't have to chop my hauloff lines out of teh ice any more and I've put away my gumby suit till next winter. Cheers, Michael Porter "Roger Long" wrote: I've been going up to the boat a lot: http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/2007Work.htm -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Don White wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message ... Peter Hendra wrote in : If everything is frozen, how long is your boating season? cheers Peter Peter, the correct question to ask people from the North and Canadians is: "What day was Summer last year?" That always gets a better "rise" out of them....hee hee. Larry -- I'll have you know we have a lovely six week summer up here... July & 1st half of August (if it doesn't rain too much) After that, it's a very pleasant autumn. And if you're in the Pacific North West, the rainy season only lasts from Jan 1 to December 31. Course, you could come up for the slug festival. The banana slugs are especially quick if you into racing them! G G |
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"Dennis Pogson" wrote in
: It's called "global warming" and I am told we should all be doing something about it, such as giving up our gas-guzzling cars and buying tiny electric ones. Way too much Al Gore. The earth is in one of the coldest eras of its history (unless you're a Christian that believes the Universe is only 6000 years old). As to the CO2 causing "global warming", you need to put the graphs together for the last several thousand years. Larry -- Message for Comcrap Internet Customers: http://tinyurl.com/3ayl9c Unlimited Service my ass.....(d^:) |
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Larry wrote:
Way too much Al Gore. The earth is in one of the coldest eras of its history (unless you're a Christian that believes the Universe is only 6000 years old). coldest? This is a bad joke yes? Perhaps you work for the Republican Party, Exxon? As to the CO2 causing "global warming", you need to put the graphs together for the last several thousand years. psst...while you were out, this has been done. Try doing some research before posting such foolishness. |
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"the_bmac" wrote in message ... Larry wrote: Way too much Al Gore. The earth is in one of the coldest eras of its history (unless you're a Christian that believes the Universe is only 6000 years old). coldest? This is a bad joke yes? Perhaps you work for the Republican Party, Exxon? As to the CO2 causing "global warming", you need to put the graphs together for the last several thousand years. psst...while you were out, this has been done. Try doing some research before posting such foolishness. Read this: http://epw.senate.gov/repwhitepapers...ld%20Media.pdf and you will see how wrong you are. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"the_bmac" wrote in message ... Larry wrote: Way too much Al Gore. The earth is in one of the coldest eras of its history (unless you're a Christian that believes the Universe is only 6000 years old). coldest? This is a bad joke yes? Perhaps you work for the Republican Party, Exxon? As to the CO2 causing "global warming", you need to put the graphs together for the last several thousand years. psst...while you were out, this has been done. Try doing some research before posting such foolishness. The problem with Al Gore's "research" is that he had a preconceived notion -- ie that humans are causing Global Warming -- then set about to find "studies" which proved that idea. He conveniently discards any study which refutes his claims, and blows others entirely out of proportion. The earth's climate is anything but static. We are fortunate to be living in a WARM period, but even so this "warm" period is quite cool compared with eras past. Humans have a tendency to view the world as it is *now* as somehow the way it should always be. We build along shorelines thinking that the shoreline must *always* be in the same place. We build in areas which are pleasant for us to live in thinking that they must *always* be pleasant places to live in. The world doesn't care what we want, and is constantly changing. http://www.cei.org/pages/ait_response.cfm |
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KLC Lewis wrote:
"the_bmac" wrote in message ... Larry wrote: Way too much Al Gore. The earth is in one of the coldest eras of its history (unless you're a Christian that believes the Universe is only 6000 years old). coldest? This is a bad joke yes? Perhaps you work for the Republican Party, Exxon? As to the CO2 causing "global warming", you need to put the graphs together for the last several thousand years. psst...while you were out, this has been done. Try doing some research before posting such foolishness. The problem with Al Gore's "research" is that he had a preconceived notion -- ie that humans are causing Global Warming -- then set about to find "studies" which proved that idea. He conveniently discards any study which refutes his claims, and blows others entirely out of proportion. The earth's climate is anything but static. We are fortunate to be living in a WARM period, but even so this "warm" period is quite cool compared with eras past. Humans have a tendency to view the world as it is *now* as somehow the way it should always be. We build along shorelines thinking that the shoreline must *always* be in the same place. We build in areas which are pleasant for us to live in thinking that they must *always* be pleasant places to live in. The world doesn't care what we want, and is constantly changing. http://www.cei.org/pages/ait_response.cfm Excellent site! G |
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KLC Lewis wrote:
"the_bmac" wrote in message ... Larry wrote: Way too much Al Gore. The earth is in one of the coldest eras of its history (unless you're a Christian that believes the Universe is only 6000 years old). coldest? This is a bad joke yes? Perhaps you work for the Republican Party, Exxon? As to the CO2 causing "global warming", you need to put the graphs together for the last several thousand years. psst...while you were out, this has been done. Try doing some research before posting such foolishness. The problem with Al Gore's "research" is that he had a preconceived notion -- ie that humans are causing Global Warming -- then set about to find "studies" which proved that idea. He conveniently discards any study which refutes his claims, and blows others entirely out of proportion. The earth's climate is anything but static. We are fortunate to be living in a WARM period, but even so this "warm" period is quite cool compared with eras past. Humans have a tendency to view the world as it is *now* as somehow the way it should always be. We build along shorelines thinking that the shoreline must *always* be in the same place. We build in areas which are pleasant for us to live in thinking that they must *always* be pleasant places to live in. The world doesn't care what we want, and is constantly changing. http://www.cei.org/pages/ait_response.cfm And why has Al Gore et al failed to mention the thousands of rain forest that falls to logging and slash and burn every day. The forest helps cleanse the atmosphere of Co2 |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:13:23 -0400, krj said: And why has Al Gore et al failed to mention the thousands of rain forest that falls to logging and slash and burn every day. Trying to justify bad behavior by pointing at other bad behavior? Planting trees is one of the best things we can do to "help the environment." Creating an aribitrary and utterly impossible law requiring the US to reduce CO2 emmissions by 90% by 2050 is simply absurd. Makes much more sense to stop killing "the lungs of the Earth" than it does to force people to stop exhaling. |
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Dave wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:13:23 -0400, krj said: And why has Al Gore et al failed to mention the thousands of rain forest that falls to logging and slash and burn every day. Trying to justify bad behavior by pointing at other bad behavior? No. Just trying to point out that all the 'supposed' increase in co2 is not just autos. Destroying all those also increases it. |
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KLC Lewis wrote: "Dave" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:13:23 -0400, krj said: And why has Al Gore et al failed to mention the thousands of rain forest that falls to logging and slash and burn every day. Trying to justify bad behavior by pointing at other bad behavior? Planting trees is one of the best things we can do to "help the environment." Creating an aribitrary and utterly impossible law requiring the US to reduce CO2 emmissions by 90% by 2050 is simply absurd. Makes much more sense to stop killing "the lungs of the Earth" than it does to force people to stop exhaling. From what I've read, the best method to actually have a significant effect on the rate of global warming is to take both personal action and have gov't take action. The personal action doesn't have to be that terrible. For example, swapping out CFBs for regular lightbulbs would make a huge difference. I believe GE is phasing them out in the next few years. On the gov't side, it works best if market forces are used/encouraged. For example, being able to trade carbon credits would create a market incentive to reduce greenhouse gasses. We really need a realistic cap and a trading system. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:42:56 -0400, Gogarty
wrote: Well, Larry, you believe as you wish. Me, I am buying land along Hudson's Bay for my new winter resort complex. Just think. We can offer balmy temperatures in December as well as the Northern Lights. Oh, I am also buying up vast tracts of tundra for my future wheat farms -- or maybe poppies. But seriously, this is exactly what forward looking people in Europe are already doing. And of the US persists in keeping its head in the sand on this one, it will fall far behind the rest of the world and there will be no more land to buy on Hudson's Bay. Well, I would consider buying land in Brazil. According to one report, by 2040 the US will be only the 5th largest economy behind Brazil Russia and China - can't remember other one. Let's face it, when you move all of your production offshore and your trade value deficit is 30 to 1 with countries such as China and you have resultant unemployment at home, apart from the temporary buoyancy provided by the Iraqi invasion and its oil, the future looks bleak. Perhaps I should encourage my future grandchildren to buy some cheap midwest land and indenture some of the starving unemployed as serfs. They could be the new Tsars. The serfs would be not allowed to travel as an anti-terrorist measure to protect them which situation of course they would happily accept as being for their own good. If there wasn't enough work for their offspring we could start a war on our neighbours and thereby balance the population and reduce the unemployment. The boating element you ask? The serfs could build cheap boats as well. cheers Peter |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article , KLC Lewis wrote: "Dave" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:13:23 -0400, krj said: And why has Al Gore et al failed to mention the thousands of rain forest that falls to logging and slash and burn every day. Trying to justify bad behavior by pointing at other bad behavior? Planting trees is one of the best things we can do to "help the environment." Creating an aribitrary and utterly impossible law requiring the US to reduce CO2 emmissions by 90% by 2050 is simply absurd. Makes much more sense to stop killing "the lungs of the Earth" than it does to force people to stop exhaling. From what I've read, the best method to actually have a significant effect on the rate of global warming is to take both personal action and have gov't take action. The personal action doesn't have to be that terrible. For example, swapping out CFBs for regular lightbulbs would make a huge difference. I believe GE is phasing them out in the next few years. On the gov't side, it works best if market forces are used/encouraged. For example, being able to trade carbon credits would create a market incentive to reduce greenhouse gasses. We really need a realistic cap and a trading system. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com I actually don't think anything we do will have an impact on global climate change. I think we should plant trees just because we've deforested a significant portion of the earth which was green only two hundred years ago. A matter of balance. It makes the world better for us, better for the creatures we share the Earth with. Then there will be more of them for us to eat. I believe I read, however, that all the trees on land don't come close to absorbing as much CO2 as the oceans do. All that limestone has to come from somewhere. Calcium carbonate from ocean critters dying and falling to the bottom of the sea. A never-ending cycle. Hopefully, that is. |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:13:05 -0600, "KLC Lewis" said: I actually don't think anything we do will have an impact on global climate change. Now at least that's the beginning of a more honest line of argument. If you've got an agenda, push the merits of that agenda itself, instead of pushing it as a false choice when compared to someone else's agenda. I do not push planting trees as "a false choice...compared to someone else's agenda." I advocate planting trees as something that we should be doing, period. But I am also not trying to force others to spend their money doing so -- I simply would like to encourage it. Al Gore's agenda is that of a Chicken Little who would *impose* his agenda on the world. I do not claim that planting trees will have a specific impact on Global Climate Change, which I believe to be beyond the influence of humans in the large scale, but rather that doing so WILL offset, to a certain degree, the damage we have done to the environment. |
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In article ,
KLC Lewis wrote: I actually don't think anything we do will have an impact on global climate change. I think we should plant trees just because we've deforested a significant portion of the earth which was green only two hundred years ago. A matter of balance. It makes the world better for us, better for the creatures we share the Earth with. Then there will be more of them for us to eat. Then you need to read some of the literature on the subject... g I believe I read, however, that all the trees on land don't come close to absorbing as much CO2 as the oceans do. All that limestone has to come from somewhere. Calcium carbonate from ocean critters dying and falling to the bottom of the sea. A never-ending cycle. Hopefully, that is. I believe that's right or something like that. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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KLC Lewis wrote: "Dave" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:13:05 -0600, "KLC Lewis" said: I actually don't think anything we do will have an impact on global climate change. Now at least that's the beginning of a more honest line of argument. If you've got an agenda, push the merits of that agenda itself, instead of pushing it as a false choice when compared to someone else's agenda. I do not push planting trees as "a false choice...compared to someone else's agenda." I advocate planting trees as something that we should be doing, period. But I am also not trying to force others to spend their money doing so -- I simply would like to encourage it. Al Gore's agenda is that of a Chicken Little who would *impose* his agenda on the world. I do not claim that planting trees will have a specific impact on Global Climate Change, which I believe to be beyond the influence of humans in the large scale, but rather that doing so WILL offset, to a certain degree, the damage we have done to the environment. Come on... the evidence is there. We're a major contributor to the warming. We can do something about it or not do something about it. If we don't the consequences will be quite bad. We successfully reduced the size of the holes in the ozone by direct efforts of removing the CFCs. Are you going to claim that it was never a problem? -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article , KLC Lewis wrote: "Dave" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:13:05 -0600, "KLC Lewis" said: I actually don't think anything we do will have an impact on global climate change. Now at least that's the beginning of a more honest line of argument. If you've got an agenda, push the merits of that agenda itself, instead of pushing it as a false choice when compared to someone else's agenda. I do not push planting trees as "a false choice...compared to someone else's agenda." I advocate planting trees as something that we should be doing, period. But I am also not trying to force others to spend their money doing so -- I simply would like to encourage it. Al Gore's agenda is that of a Chicken Little who would *impose* his agenda on the world. I do not claim that planting trees will have a specific impact on Global Climate Change, which I believe to be beyond the influence of humans in the large scale, but rather that doing so WILL offset, to a certain degree, the damage we have done to the environment. Come on... the evidence is there. We're a major contributor to the warming. We can do something about it or not do something about it. If we don't the consequences will be quite bad. We successfully reduced the size of the holes in the ozone by direct efforts of removing the CFCs. Are you going to claim that it was never a problem? -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com Correlation does not imply causation. What will the consequences be? Nobody knows. Computer models don't even agree. Al Gore, of course, picks the absolutely worst outcome and touts it as gospel, while the majority of the models show the average increase in temperature following a very steady and moderate rate. Personally, I'm in favor of a slight increase in global temperature, and the benefits that will bring. |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:19:31 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: Please feel free to get back to doing whatever it is that you do...as long as it isn't trying to speak/write intelligently about climate change. Remember what I said about rational discourse? You chose that path, Bubbie. Should you wish to engage in it at some time in the future, please do so. Until then... "Go thou, and do likewise." Amen Sister. Even though I disagree with you about climate change Peter |
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KLC Lewis wrote: Come on... the evidence is there. We're a major contributor to the warming. We can do something about it or not do something about it. If we don't the consequences will be quite bad. We successfully reduced the size of the holes in the ozone by direct efforts of removing the CFCs. Are you going to claim that it was never a problem? Correlation does not imply causation. What will the consequences be? Nobody knows. Computer models don't even agree. Al Gore, of course, picks the absolutely worst outcome and touts it as gospel, while the majority of the models show the average increase in temperature following a very steady and moderate rate. Personally, I'm in favor of a slight increase in global temperature, and the benefits that will bring. Quick! Let's reitroduce them and see what happens!! -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:08:58 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article , KLC Lewis wrote: "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:13:05 -0600, "KLC Lewis" said: I actually don't think anything we do will have an impact on global climate change. Now at least that's the beginning of a more honest line of argument. If you've got an agenda, push the merits of that agenda itself, instead of pushing it as a false choice when compared to someone else's agenda. I do not push planting trees as "a false choice...compared to someone else's agenda." I advocate planting trees as something that we should be doing, period. But I am also not trying to force others to spend their money doing so -- I simply would like to encourage it. Al Gore's agenda is that of a Chicken Little who would *impose* his agenda on the world. I do not claim that planting trees will have a specific impact on Global Climate Change, which I believe to be beyond the influence of humans in the large scale, but rather that doing so WILL offset, to a certain degree, the damage we have done to the environment. Come on... the evidence is there. We're a major contributor to the warming. We can do something about it or not do something about it. If we don't the consequences will be quite bad. We successfully reduced the size of the holes in the ozone by direct efforts of removing the CFCs. Are you going to claim that it was never a problem? -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com Correlation does not imply causation. What will the consequences be? Nobody knows. Computer models don't even agree. Al Gore, of course, picks the absolutely worst outcome and touts it as gospel, while the majority of the models show the average increase in temperature following a very steady and moderate rate. Personally, I'm in favor of a slight increase in global temperature, and the benefits that will bring. You should read http://energycommerce.house.gov/cmte...-testimony.pdf I have much more shocking reputable sites for you once you have digested this one. :-) Eric Stevens |
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Peter Hendra wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:01:48 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:49:10 +1000, Peter Hendra wrote: I had dreamed, many years ago of sailing up the Hudson/Eire canal and down the Chicago Sanitary canal to the Bay of Mexico. I doubt now that I'll do it but it is still tempting and I might still head north after leaving Trinidad. Florida is only two weeks away. Do you know John and Penny from the Skookum 53 "Seahorse" in Trinidad? They winter in Trinidad and go back up the Hudson River to Lake Champlain in the spring. That's a great trip and they are nice folks. Say hello for me if you run into them, Wayne and Diane from the Grand Banks 49 trawler. Hi Wayne, There are four major yards here with mostly American boats in them plus a marina attached to the Cruise In Hotel. I'll ask around and give your regards should I find them. I am learning to speak with a slow drawl like a mentally challenged person and mispronounce some of my words, so they should be able to understand me. I've even learned to curb my humour as I've discovered that Americans do not readily understand my Antipodean one which is often based on puns - seemingly foreign to them. Actually, for an ex-British colony, this country has many hallmarks of a US territory partly because Chagaramas was at one time, the largest American base in the world. Given by the British in exchange for the lend-lease destroyers etc in 1941, at one time there were about 400,000 servicemen based here as well as at the two military airfields. Another reason for the American-ness of the place is that, as I said, there are so many US citizens here. Prices in catalogues (again - correct spelling as in "colour" and programme") are often in US. I had the teak on top of my hatches replaced - quoted in US dollars not TT ones. Gallons are 3.7 litres, not 4.2 as in the rest of the world, power is 110 volts, weight is in pounds and ounces - not kilos. Bolts are not metric (they import Japanese cars so must have problems), and linear measure is in feet and inches, not the far simpler metre, centimetre and millimetre where, like the kilo, you just move the decimal point. AWG is fine, but everywhere else uses cross sectional area in millimetres - so much easier to calculate loss due to resistance. Last week I needed a new copper pipe for my compressor - couldn't get any metric. I went to buy some wire - $TT 10 on the price ticket - reasonable I thought for a yard or a metre - then I found that it was priced by the foot. At least time is still based upon 24 hours in a day and 365.25 days in a year. I would spit tacks if the American system had more hours in a day. I work long enough on this boat as it is already. Still, most people are very friendly and helpful, are relaxed about life and behave politely to each other as if they are in continual holiday mode. I hesitate however to address people in the Australian manner with "Gidday mate" least it been interpreted as being suggestive. cheers Peter A British gallon is 4.55 litres, but we pay about 4 times as much for it (gas) than our US cousins, so I guess it really doesn't matter! Dennis. |
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