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Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... Right. I'm not going to do an impulse buy. That's excellent that you're taking your time and doing it right. There's one moron around here by the name of JimC who claims he's a lawyer. He ran out on an impulse and bought a Mac26M and now is totally embarrassed about his uninformed entry-level purchase. It's like I'm sure people look at his boat and then find out he's a lawyer and they begin to wonder how lame is this guy. Lawyers who are worth a hoot make, what, about 500 dollars an hour so he ought to be able to afford a real boat and a classy boat at that. Anyhow, poor JimC spent probably a hundred hours posting things about how he was so happy with his purchase but you could tell he was not happy at all. Somebody who's happy with his boat doesn't spend hundreds of hours trying to convince himself how great it is. What's really sick is how Wilbur, and a few others, devote all that attention and time posting such garbage criticizing me and my boat. If he was really interested in sailing and really enjoying his own boat, he wouldn't be so interested in posting more sarcastic notes like that one. (Actually, once was enough for us to get your peculiar and biases re the Macs, Wilbur.) - Why do you go on and on on this subject? It suggests that you have some other motive, of course. - Are you jealous that I'm out sailing and enjoying my boat after you have posted all those notes explaining why I shouldn't enjoy sailing it? It's obvious that Wilbur has some personal problems and is in need of professional help. - No normal adult would get his jollies posting such childish, personal attacks on a fellow sailor, over and over again. Jim |
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Peter Hendra wrote abunch of stuff:
For the love of Pete...Wilbur aka Neal Warren, sails or sailed a Coronado 27...mustard yellow..with a lavender and mauve interior...and you actually take anything he has to say seriosuly...both you and Jim need to chill out and either laugh off his posts or just plain ignore them (like I do until others repost his crap in their replies)... |
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On Mar 26, 10:28 pm, Peter Hendra wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:39:57 GMT, JimC wrote: Snip Cheers Peter Hendra (I do go on - don't I? Blame it on the Greek blood). Reminds me of my first boat; she was a little 30' troller, out of Charlston Oregon. An old converted log pond tug; she only had a foot of free board and a foot of keel. the Fella I bought her from started fishing as a boy in 1919 and his boats had always been rigged like he learned to fish. the Terry L had hand gurdies running tuna cord and cotton spreads. the boat he got to replace the Terry L was almost 100 years old and 22 foot double ender he set it up the same way. every day this 80 year old would be on his boat at 4:30 in the morning. all the young fishermen laughed at him heading out the jaws at 5 knots for a day of fishing. what they didnt see was his daily catch. I had to learn how to use the gear on my boat; so i went fishing as his hand for a couple years. this man never came to port with less than a hold full of fish. The Argus would never win a beauty contest but she sure could fish. |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:28:17 +1000, Peter Hendra
wrote: If there is one thing I have learned, it is that one should never ridicule other people's choice of boat any more than one should ridicule their occupation, station in life or choice of spouse. Thank you for writing of your experiences here. It is educational, to say the least. --Vic |
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Dog gone Katie... that was kind of a cold hearted admonishment
of Mr. Hendra's post much less Jim Cate. Excluding Jim of course... it could well be that Mr. Hendra is not up to speed and familiar with the infamous Captain Neal and his literary escapades (much less alias) via these news groups. For the record... I myself found Peter Hendra's post a very inter- esting readindeed... and thank him for sharing. Bill Channel Islands Harbor Oxnard, California |
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And Vic...
If you still have a lingering interest in the MacGregor 26 boats... and as others have suggested... check out this web site: http://macgregorsailors.com It is a moderated forum... with about 1800 registered users... and very active concerning the MacGregor product... mostly the good... but the bad and ugly as well. (smile) And yeh... I am an owner as well... and you are more than wel- come to email me direct. The email address that is shown... is for real. I have made it personal policy not to discuss the attributes as well as the shortcomings of this boat on public forums... for obvious rea- sons. Jim Cate is the only one that I am aware of that has the guts to do so. heh heh Best regards to all... Bill Anacapa Isle Marina Channel Islands Harbor Oxnard, California |
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wrote in message oups.com... And Vic... If you still have a lingering interest in the MacGregor 26 boats... and as others have suggested... check out this web site: http://macgregorsailors.com It is a moderated forum... with about 1800 registered users... and very active concerning the MacGregor product... mostly the good... but the bad and ugly as well. (smile) And yeh... I am an owner as well... and you are more than wel- come to email me direct. The email address that is shown... is for real. I have made it personal policy not to discuss the attributes as well as the shortcomings of this boat on public forums... for obvious rea- sons. Jim Cate is the only one that I am aware of that has the guts to do so. heh heh JimC is a natural born loser so it's to be expected he'd engage in self-flagellation in public forums. Anybody who buys a Mac26 is a loser. Anybody who's proud of owning one is a double loser. If you own a Mac26, just shut up about it and use it once in a while. Try to not notice any real sailboats because you will quickly become dissatisfied with your choice of boats. Try not to notice any real motor boats because you will quickly become annoyed at the lame compromise boat you ended up with. Just stay focused on never examining the many faults of the Mac26 compared to its one or two virtues and you might remain happy with your uninformed purchase for a season or two. But whatever you do, NEVER claim it's a good boat because it just isn't. It's a cheap, entry level, compromise boat that calls to immediate attention the lack of intelligence of the owner. People who have real motorboats and people who have real sailboats know what I'm talking about. Wilbur Hubbard. |
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Peter Hendra wrote:
If there is one thing I have learned, it is that one should never ridicule other people's choice of boat any more than one should ridicule their occupation, station in life or choice of spouse. Well, most of the time. There's always the well-justified exception. OTOH there's always the bitter losers who will spew their bile on any possible target, thus proving to the world what they really are. "Wilber Hubbard" is just one of many such. Vic Smith wrote: Thank you for writing of your experiences here. It is educational, to say the least. I agree. Visiting Rinja (or for that matter, much of Indonesia) must have been fascinating. Do you see any Komodo dragons? Regards Doug King |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:39:57 GMT, JimC wrote:
Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... Right. I'm not going to do an impulse buy. That's excellent that you're taking your time and doing it right. There's one moron around here by the name of JimC who claims he's a lawyer. He ran out on an impulse and bought a Mac26M and now is totally embarrassed about his uninformed entry-level purchase. It's like I'm sure people look at his boat and then find out he's a lawyer and they begin to wonder how lame is this guy. Lawyers who are worth a hoot make, what, about 500 dollars an hour so he ought to be able to afford a real boat and a classy boat at that. Anyhow, poor JimC spent probably a hundred hours posting things about how he was so happy with his purchase but you could tell he was not happy at all. Somebody who's happy with his boat doesn't spend hundreds of hours trying to convince himself how great it is. What's really sick is how Wilbur, and a few others, devote all that attention and time posting such garbage criticizing me and my boat. If he was really interested in sailing and really enjoying his own boat, he wouldn't be so interested in posting more sarcastic notes like that one. (Actually, once was enough for us to get your peculiar and biases re the Macs, Wilbur.) - Why do you go on and on on this subject? It suggests that you have some other motive, of course. - Are you jealous that I'm out sailing and enjoying my boat after you have posted all those notes explaining why I shouldn't enjoy sailing it? It's obvious that Wilbur has some personal problems and is in need of professional help. - No normal adult would get his jollies posting such childish, personal attacks on a fellow sailor, over and over again. Jim I guess where Wilbur misses the boat is his remark that "Lawyers who are worth make, what, about 500 dollars an hour so he ought to be able to afford a real boat and a classy boat", and Wilbur is probably right. But instead of buying a boat that meets Wilbur's standards for a proper boat the guy went out and bought what HE wanted. Probably what a lot of people do -- ignore Wilbur and buy what they want.... Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"Bruce" wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:39:57 GMT, JimC wrote: Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... Right. I'm not going to do an impulse buy. That's excellent that you're taking your time and doing it right. There's one moron around here by the name of JimC who claims he's a lawyer. He ran out on an impulse and bought a Mac26M and now is totally embarrassed about his uninformed entry-level purchase. It's like I'm sure people look at his boat and then find out he's a lawyer and they begin to wonder how lame is this guy. Lawyers who are worth a hoot make, what, about 500 dollars an hour so he ought to be able to afford a real boat and a classy boat at that. Anyhow, poor JimC spent probably a hundred hours posting things about how he was so happy with his purchase but you could tell he was not happy at all. Somebody who's happy with his boat doesn't spend hundreds of hours trying to convince himself how great it is. What's really sick is how Wilbur, and a few others, devote all that attention and time posting such garbage criticizing me and my boat. If he was really interested in sailing and really enjoying his own boat, he wouldn't be so interested in posting more sarcastic notes like that one. (Actually, once was enough for us to get your peculiar and biases re the Macs, Wilbur.) - Why do you go on and on on this subject? It suggests that you have some other motive, of course. - Are you jealous that I'm out sailing and enjoying my boat after you have posted all those notes explaining why I shouldn't enjoy sailing it? It's obvious that Wilbur has some personal problems and is in need of professional help. - No normal adult would get his jollies posting such childish, personal attacks on a fellow sailor, over and over again. Jim I guess where Wilbur misses the boat is his remark that "Lawyers who are worth make, what, about 500 dollars an hour so he ought to be able to afford a real boat and a classy boat", and Wilbur is probably right. But instead of buying a boat that meets Wilbur's standards for a proper boat the guy went out and bought what HE wanted. Probably what a lot of people do -- ignore Wilbur and buy what they want.... Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) See my most recent post with the subject line of "Your boat should reflect your status in life . . ." It should quell your doubts. Wilbur Hubbard in Phuket |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote: wrote in message oups.com... And Vic... If you still have a lingering interest in the MacGregor 26 boats... and as others have suggested... check out this web site: http://macgregorsailors.com It is a moderated forum... with about 1800 registered users... and very active concerning the MacGregor product... mostly the good... but the bad and ugly as well. (smile) And yeh... I am an owner as well... and you are more than wel- come to email me direct. The email address that is shown... is for real. I have made it personal policy not to discuss the attributes as well as the shortcomings of this boat on public forums... for obvious rea- sons. Jim Cate is the only one that I am aware of that has the guts to do so. heh heh JimC is a natural born loser so it's to be expected he'd engage in self-flagellation in public forums. Anybody who buys a Mac26 is a loser. Anybody who's proud of owning one is a double loser. If you own a Mac26, just shut up about it and use it once in a while. Try to not notice any real sailboats because you will quickly become dissatisfied with your choice of boats. Try not to notice any real motor boats because you will quickly become annoyed at the lame compromise boat you ended up with. Just stay focused on never examining the many faults of the Mac26 compared to its one or two virtues and you might remain happy with your uninformed purchase for a season or two. But whatever you do, NEVER claim it's a good boat because it just isn't. It's a cheap, entry level, compromise boat that calls to immediate attention the lack of intelligence of the owner. People who have real motorboats and people who have real sailboats know what I'm talking about. Wilbur Hubbard. But sailing it is lots of fun. - Have a nice evening Wilbur. Jim |
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On 27 Mar 2007 16:15:29 -0700, "
wrote: And Vic... If you still have a lingering interest in the MacGregor 26 boats... and as others have suggested... check out this web site: http://macgregorsailors.com Thanks, Bill. Spent hours there, and will join up if I go that way. Pretty happy crowd. I have made it personal policy not to discuss the attributes as well as the shortcomings of this boat on public forums... for obvious rea- sons. Heh heh. Jim Cate is the only one that I am aware of that has the guts to do so. heh heh Good for him. He's an iron man. Personally, I couldn't spend as much time as him on the education he's done, especially with such class. --Vic |
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Peter Hendra wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:39:57 GMT, JimC wrote: Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... Right. I'm not going to do an impulse buy. That's excellent that you're taking your time and doing it right. There's one moron around here by the name of JimC who claims he's a lawyer. He ran out on an impulse and bought a Mac26M and now is totally embarrassed about his uninformed entry-level purchase. It's like I'm sure people look at his boat and then find out he's a lawyer and they begin to wonder how lame is this guy. Lawyers who are worth a hoot make, what, about 500 dollars an hour so he ought to be able to afford a real boat and a classy boat at that. Anyhow, poor JimC spent probably a hundred hours posting things about how he was so happy with his purchase but you could tell he was not happy at all. Somebody who's happy with his boat doesn't spend hundreds of hours trying to convince himself how great it is. What's really sick is how Wilbur, and a few others, devote all that attention and time posting such garbage criticizing me and my boat. If he was really interested in sailing and really enjoying his own boat, he wouldn't be so interested in posting more sarcastic notes like that one. (Actually, once was enough for us to get your peculiar and biases re the Macs, Wilbur.) - Why do you go on and on on this subject? It suggests that you have some other motive, of course. - Are you jealous that I'm out sailing and enjoying my boat after you have posted all those notes explaining why I shouldn't enjoy sailing it? It's obvious that Wilbur has some personal problems and is in need of professional help. - No normal adult would get his jollies posting such childish, personal attacks on a fellow sailor, over and over again. Jim Jim, I wasn't aware that you knew Wilbur personally and so well. I wouldn't get upset too much. You are quite right in your comments. Some people regard boats as they do their cars - the newer, the more expensive, the faster and so on, the better. There is actually no best boat at all. There are boats better suited for cruising, for racing, for shallow waters, for entertaining etc., A true lover of boats and those with experience of the sea does not regard them as a status symbol to enhance the social or other status of the owner. As there is no "best" woman or man, there is no best boat. People choose boats for a number of reasons, often quite illogical - rather like marriage. I recall two boats in New Zealand that would readily incur the ridicule of such as Wilbur. One was a 18 foot open plywood home built dory with the name "John's Dory" painted on the sides in large letters. Holiday makers at the wharf of the resort town where my beach home is never gave it a second glance but stared at the large and new power boats with dreamy eyes. The interesting thing is that John, being retired, went out recreational fishing in his home built boat every day and always came back with a decent catch. His little boat was out in all weathers and was probably more seaworthy than most of the larger power boats who were kept at home by the rough seas. They often complained also of the lack of good fishing. John would never take much from the sea and gave most of his catch away to older people and others about town. A couple of times, John went out to tow in flasher boats that had broken down. He never said much and never responded when people scoffed at his boat. He was a much better seaman and fisherman than they, regardless of the monetary worth of their boats. Another boat I met several times when we lived aboard at Westhaven Marina in Auckland, New Zealand. It was built after WWII of timbers that the then owner had managed to scavenge. It was about 28 feet in length and had rigging made of plow steel, spliced with a a Liverpool splice and parceled. The inside was barren and in need of furniture there being only two perfunctionary berths. The only things on that boat that were less than 40 years old were the owner's sea boots. He was a bricklayer who lived and worked on Great Barrier Island, a day's sail northeast of Auckland. In essence, the little sailboat was his car. As the vessel was not fitted with any engine, he had become a proficient sailor and would sail to the marina mouth, turn port 90 degrees into the channel, starboard 90 degrees, then port 90 again and finally another port 90 to gently brush against the pontoon of thefinger berth. All of this under sail by himself. I doubt that I would ever be able to perform this manouvre, if I ever had to. As we usually anchor out, I have to suppress feelings of panic upon entering marinas. What was most interesting to see was that everyone's eyes were turned to watch this little rough boat coming in. Nobody said anything but watched in silent appreciation of the skill displayed. People vied to take his docklines, people whose boats were worth half a million dollars. He never said much either, even though many of the onlookers tried to engage him in conversation. We were fortunate that his berth was along from ours and we would often have him to dinner with before he set off back to the island. In writing of these two boats, several other boats and their owners have come to mind. One left a lasting impression upon my family. We were anchored by ourselves overnight near the Ranger Station on Rinja Island in Indonesia, one of the two islands that are home to the giant Komodo Dragons. Early that morning, my wife went on deck in response to a gentle knock on the hull and was presented with a 15 inch long, freshly caught fish by a small old man in an outrigger canoe about 12 to 14 feet in length. At one end of the canoe was a small broken pot on some stones where he cooked his meals. Drying in the sun were a few three and four inch long trepang or sea slugs that he had dived for and that he would later sell to the traders for a few cents - the basis of his living. He had home made diving goggles carved from wood with plastic inserts and a piece of string to hold them on his head. His only protection from the elements was one of those ubiquitous blue plastic tarpaulins folded neatly in the bow along with a cheap woven plastic prayer mat. My wife told him to wait for her to get some money but he smiled, waved and slowly paddled off. We spoke to the rangers of him later that morning and found that what we saw about him was all that he owned in the world. Cooking and eating that fish for dinner was somewhat of a religious experience. That simple man, who had made a present to those who had far more than he, taught us a valuable lesson and made a great impact on the lives of the three of us. My son, who was 9 at the time, still remembers him. We couldn't give him money - it would have been an insult; so we later sought him out and gave him some clothes, a diving mask and some flippers as well as a few other items of little real value to us. If there is one thing I have learned, it is that one should never ridicule other people's choice of boat any more than one should ridicule their occupation, station in life or choice of spouse. Cheers Peter Hendra (I do go on - don't I? Blame it on the Greek blood). Interesting story Peter. As you say, the important thing is to enjoy sailing your own boat, whatever it is, and to sail it with a little skill. I've enjoyed sailing the Mac (as well as a number of other boats) ever since I bought it. 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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:02:00 +0700, Bruce
wrote: I guess where Wilbur misses the boat is his remark that "Lawyers who are worth make, what, about 500 dollars an hour so he ought to be able to afford a real boat and a classy boat", and Wilbur is probably right. But instead of buying a boat that meets Wilbur's standards for a proper boat the guy went out and bought what HE wanted. Probably what a lot of people do -- ignore Wilbur and buy what they want.... Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) You make a good point Bruce. That to me is the mark of a real person. One who is not afraid to go against the tide, make his own decision and do what he (or she) wants to do. Too many people buy cars and boats based upon what others think with a flock mentality that is often devoid of any forethought. I think it was Larry who said once that people often work at a job they don't like to buy the things they don't need to impress the people who don't matter. Peter who prefers Penang to Bangkok anytime. |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:11:59 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) See my most recent post with the subject line of "Your boat should reflect your status in life . . ." It should quell your doubts. Wilbur Hubbard in Phuket Bruce, Isn't Phuket where paedophilic old Western men go to grope young Thai boys and rent Ladyboys? Just asking Peter |
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"katy" wrote in message ... wrote: Considering how many warnings have gone out in the past few months regarding Neal's new aliases, I'm surprised that there's anyone out there that was not aware that he's a troll...and besides, Wha? You really think that Wilbur is Neal? Bah! Jim C. has a Mac26X.... Way to rub it in, Katy! Scotty |
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"JimC" wrote in message news: One minor correction. - I have a Mac26M, not a 26X. The 26M is the same old Mac26X model , in current production. Jim Whoop dee do. |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:31:40 -0400, Peter Hendra
wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:02:00 +0700, Bruce wrote: I guess where Wilbur misses the boat is his remark that "Lawyers who are worth make, what, about 500 dollars an hour so he ought to be able to afford a real boat and a classy boat", and Wilbur is probably right. But instead of buying a boat that meets Wilbur's standards for a proper boat the guy went out and bought what HE wanted. Probably what a lot of people do -- ignore Wilbur and buy what they want.... Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) You make a good point Bruce. That to me is the mark of a real person. One who is not afraid to go against the tide, make his own decision and do what he (or she) wants to do. Too many people buy cars and boats based upon what others think with a flock mentality that is often devoid of any forethought. I think it was Larry who said once that people often work at a job they don't like to buy the things they don't need to impress the people who don't matter. Peter who prefers Penang to Bangkok anytime. Penang is provencal while Bangkok is vibrant and exciting :-) Besides, after being retired for ten years I've forgotten most of my Bahasa Indonesia and can hardly bargain with a Malaysian taxi any more. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:47:23 -0400, Peter Hendra
wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:11:59 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) See my most recent post with the subject line of "Your boat should reflect your status in life . . ." It should quell your doubts. Wilbur Hubbard in Phuket Bruce, Isn't Phuket where paedophilic old Western men go to grope young Thai boys and rent Ladyboys? Just asking Peter Well, I'm an "old Western man" but my wife won't let me grope any young Thai anythings :-) If Wilbur (which my spell checker says is a misspelled word) is in Phuket I'd be interested in where his boat is moored. Be interesting to actually view the idol of the internet in all his glory. (I wonder whether his appearance would "reflect his status in life"? Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"Bruce" wrote in message ... If Wilbur (which my spell checker says is a misspelled word) is in Phuket I'd be interested in where his boat is moored. Be interesting to actually view the idol of the internet in all his glory. (I wonder whether his appearance would "reflect his status in life"? Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com You'll find Wilber (capt neal) on a dingy old yellow Coronado hidden up some swampy backwater in Florida. He's always just one step ahead of the 'ugly boat police'. |
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katy wrote: wrote: Dog gone Katie... that was kind of a cold hearted admonishment of Mr. Hendra's post much less Jim Cate. Excluding Jim of course... it could well be that Mr. Hendra is not up to speed and familiar with the infamous Captain Neal and his literary escapades (much less alias) via these news groups. For the record... I myself found Peter Hendra's post a very inter- esting readindeed... and thank him for sharing. Bill Channel Islands Harbor Oxnard, California Considering how many warnings have gone out in the past few months regarding Neal's new aliases, I'm surprised that there's anyone out there that was not aware that he's a troll...and besides, Jim C. has a Mac26X....I know he likes it..I know he sails it quite frequently and enjoys his time out on the water..I do think, though, that promoting it is another thing. They are bad sailboats and mediocre motorboats... One minor correction. - I have a Mac26M, not a 26X. The 26M is the model in current production. Jim That doesn't make it any better, but I'm happy that you enjoy it...don't see why, but then, some people like oysters too and I can't see the point in that either... |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:13:12 +0700, Bruce
wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:31:40 -0400, Peter Hendra wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:02:00 +0700, Bruce wrote: I guess where Wilbur misses the boat is his remark that "Lawyers who are worth make, what, about 500 dollars an hour so he ought to be able to afford a real boat and a classy boat", and Wilbur is probably right. But instead of buying a boat that meets Wilbur's standards for a proper boat the guy went out and bought what HE wanted. Probably what a lot of people do -- ignore Wilbur and buy what they want.... Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) You make a good point Bruce. That to me is the mark of a real person. One who is not afraid to go against the tide, make his own decision and do what he (or she) wants to do. Too many people buy cars and boats based upon what others think with a flock mentality that is often devoid of any forethought. I think it was Larry who said once that people often work at a job they don't like to buy the things they don't need to impress the people who don't matter. Peter who prefers Penang to Bangkok anytime. Penang is provencal while Bangkok is vibrant and exciting :-) Besides, after being retired for ten years I've forgotten most of my Bahasa Indonesia and can hardly bargain with a Malaysian taxi any more. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) You shouldn't have to. They speak English but some try that ploy on matsallehs like you and I if they think we're not local. It's the Indian ones who always seem to have a non-functioning meter. Just ask them to take you to the Police station. The meter suddenly works. Larry, you might try this electronics fix sometime. Peter who still prefers Penang to Bangkok where the most beautiful women were men. P.S. Bruce, have you seen the movie "Beautiful Boxer'? My wife and I once saw her box. Great boxer and very beautiful. We loved the bit where she dropped her opponent and then kissed him on the head. My girls watched the movie recently and decided that they would like to learn Thai Kick Boxing. Still trying to find someone in Penang who could teach them. |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:27:03 -0400, Peter Hendra
wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:13:12 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:31:40 -0400, Peter Hendra wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:02:00 +0700, Bruce wrote: I guess where Wilbur misses the boat is his remark that "Lawyers who are worth make, what, about 500 dollars an hour so he ought to be able to afford a real boat and a classy boat", and Wilbur is probably right. But instead of buying a boat that meets Wilbur's standards for a proper boat the guy went out and bought what HE wanted. Probably what a lot of people do -- ignore Wilbur and buy what they want.... Much snipped Besides, after being retired for ten years I've forgotten most of my Bahasa Indonesia and can hardly bargain with a Malaysian taxi any more. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) You shouldn't have to. They speak English but some try that ploy on matsallehs like you and I if they think we're not local. It's the Indian ones who always seem to have a non-functioning meter. Just ask them to take you to the Police station. The meter suddenly works. Larry, you might try this electronics fix sometime. Peter who still prefers Penang to Bangkok where the most beautiful women were men. P.S. Bruce, have you seen the movie "Beautiful Boxer'? My wife and I once saw her box. Great boxer and very beautiful. We loved the bit where she dropped her opponent and then kissed him on the head. My girls watched the movie recently and decided that they would like to learn Thai Kick Boxing. Still trying to find someone in Penang who could teach them. What meters? I have never even seen a taxi in Penang that had a meter. Always, "how much to Mokta...", "Long way, Boss, 50 Ringgit". I admit, they do have a shuttle bus that runs around the downtown area but you get on the bus and go somewhere and then get back on the bus to come back and it takes a different road. Where to get off? By the way, I relayed your comments about Bangkok beautiful women to my wife who says that if you believe that then your taste in partners is highly suspect. She says that she's heard all about that geezer (from Penang, was he?) that got put in jail down there for playing games with his driver. Tit for Tat..... Kick boxing may look like fun and games in the movies but it is a damned brutal sport. To get the full benefit you need to go to the up-country matches where the young boxers are not as well trained and are fighting for a week's pay. Tell your daughters to imagine someone slamming their elbow in their face then kicking them as hard as they can just under the ribs. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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What meters? I have never even seen a taxi in Penang that had a meter. Always, "how much to Mokta...", "Long way, Boss, 50 Ringgit". I admit, they do have a shuttle bus that runs around the downtown area but you get on the bus and go somewhere and then get back on the bus to come back and it takes a different road. Where to get off? By the way, I relayed your comments about Bangkok beautiful women to my wife who says that if you believe that then your taste in partners is highly suspect. She says that she's heard all about that geezer (from Penang, was he?) that got put in jail down there for playing games with his driver. Tit for Tat..... Kick boxing may look like fun and games in the movies but it is a damned brutal sport. To get the full benefit you need to go to the up-country matches where the young boxers are not as well trained and are fighting for a week's pay. Tell your daughters to imagine someone slamming their elbow in their face then kicking them as hard as they can just under the ribs. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) Excellent Bruce, Quid pro quo. My respectful regards to your Lady wife. I have never had a driver. Yes we have different laws here. Twice now I have been out walking along the street (not in Penang) with my friends' Malay kids who were staying with us for the holidays on the yacht, holding their hands etc., when I have been accosted by the police as to what I was doing with them and why was I holding my niece's hand (she was about 12 or 13 at the time) as I was obviously not a blood relative. The kids had to say "But he's our uncle". The papers sometimes have some delightful stories along the same lines such as when a male police sergeant and a female constable were charged with 'fraternisation' after being found in a hotel room. Their story was that they were on surveilance. However, when the religious police knocked on the door he opened it with only a towel around his waist. As I am of Greek ethnic origin, I embrace my friends - perfectly acceptable in the Middle East and southern Europe. The Malays have gotten used to me hugging them even though they only ever shake hands. I am waiting for the religious police to haul me in on the matter. You know of course that there are seperate supermarket check-out queues for men amnd women in Kelantan state? Love this country. Peter |
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"Peter Hendra" wrote in message ... Yes we have different laws here. Twice now I have been out walking along the street (not in Penang) with my friends' Malay kids who were staying with us for the holidays on the yacht, holding their hands etc., when I have been accosted by the police as to what I was doing with them and why was I holding my niece's hand (she was about 12 or 13 at the time) as I was obviously not a blood relative. The kids had to say "But he's our uncle". The papers sometimes have some delightful stories along the same lines such as when a male police sergeant and a female constable were charged with 'fraternisation' after being found in a hotel room. Their story was that they were on surveilance. However, when the religious police knocked on the door he opened it with only a towel around his waist. As I am of Greek ethnic origin, I embrace my friends - perfectly acceptable in the Middle East and southern Europe. The Malays have gotten used to me hugging them even though they only ever shake hands. I am waiting for the religious police to haul me in on the matter. You know of course that there are seperate supermarket check-out queues for men amnd women in Kelantan state? Love this country. Peter Peter, Surely you've heard the expression, "When in Rome..."? |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:56:06 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: "Peter Hendra" wrote in message .. . Yes we have different laws here. Twice now I have been out walking along the street (not in Penang) with my friends' Malay kids who were staying with us for the holidays on the yacht, holding their hands etc., when I have been accosted by the police as to what I was doing with them and why was I holding my niece's hand (she was about 12 or 13 at the time) as I was obviously not a blood relative. The kids had to say "But he's our uncle". The papers sometimes have some delightful stories along the same lines such as when a male police sergeant and a female constable were charged with 'fraternisation' after being found in a hotel room. Their story was that they were on surveilance. However, when the religious police knocked on the door he opened it with only a towel around his waist. As I am of Greek ethnic origin, I embrace my friends - perfectly acceptable in the Middle East and southern Europe. The Malays have gotten used to me hugging them even though they only ever shake hands. I am waiting for the religious police to haul me in on the matter. You know of course that there are seperate supermarket check-out queues for men amnd women in Kelantan state? Love this country. Peter Peter, Surely you've heard the expression, "When in Rome..."? Hi Karin, Yes I have and I usually do wherever I travel. However, I have also found that people accept genuine actions from those of other cultures. The people I work with and have close association with know me well and accept that it is part of my culture. A close friend has told me that they actually quite like the gesture. Bear in mind that sometimes we are in close poximity, 24 hours a day for days on end on small boats and so you get quite close to some of youir colleagues (no, not that close)and subsequently their families. Don't get the idea that I rush up to everyone and grab them. I usually only do it when I haven't seen them for a while or when leaving for a period such as coming back to this boat such as I do to my close friends and relations elsewhere. People don't cringe but just reciprocate the gesture of affection. Respect for other people's customs is as it should be but it does not mean that you have to be blind about it. I have read and been told by foreigners that one should never touch a Malay child's head for example. I ruffle my neice's and nephews all the time and kiss them on the forehead. It is not a matter of tolerating my behaviour but one of accepting my ways as I accept theirs. I noticed after a while that my son greeted older people by kissing their hand and touiching it to his fiorehead as the other kids did. He never saw anything strange in it and we certainly never told him to. When I worked for China Telecom and attended meetings where foreign business introduced themselves by presenting their business cards with two hands, my Chinese colleagues usually made a remark in Chinese about "another one who has attended the course" (on how to do business in China). A dog does not eat grass so I passed mine over to the visitors in return with one hand or pushed it across the table. When it comes down to it, people are just people and it is far better to just be yourself in a lot of situations. Others usually accept and appreciate that. cheers Peter |
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"Peter Hendra" wrote in message ... Hi Karin, Yes I have and I usually do wherever I travel. However, I have also found that people accept genuine actions from those of other cultures. The people I work with and have close association with know me well and accept that it is part of my culture. A close friend has told me that they actually quite like the gesture. Bear in mind that sometimes we are in close poximity, 24 hours a day for days on end on small boats and so you get quite close to some of youir colleagues (no, not that close)and subsequently their families. Don't get the idea that I rush up to everyone and grab them. I usually only do it when I haven't seen them for a while or when leaving for a period such as coming back to this boat such as I do to my close friends and relations elsewhere. People don't cringe but just reciprocate the gesture of affection. Respect for other people's customs is as it should be but it does not mean that you have to be blind about it. I have read and been told by foreigners that one should never touch a Malay child's head for example. I ruffle my neice's and nephews all the time and kiss them on the forehead. It is not a matter of tolerating my behaviour but one of accepting my ways as I accept theirs. I noticed after a while that my son greeted older people by kissing their hand and touiching it to his fiorehead as the other kids did. He never saw anything strange in it and we certainly never told him to. When I worked for China Telecom and attended meetings where foreign business introduced themselves by presenting their business cards with two hands, my Chinese colleagues usually made a remark in Chinese about "another one who has attended the course" (on how to do business in China). A dog does not eat grass so I passed mine over to the visitors in return with one hand or pushed it across the table. When it comes down to it, people are just people and it is far better to just be yourself in a lot of situations. Others usually accept and appreciate that. cheers Peter Interesting comments, Peter, and I'm sure you are not your country's version of "The Ugly American." I have always been exceptionally aware of the image that too many Americans present when visiting foreign countries, however, and have always done my best to observe local customs and mores to the best of my ability. While I doubt that I'd be willing to adopt a burkha in those Arab countries which expect it of native women, neither would I dress like a pop tart. But then, I don't anyway. lol I suspect my natural tendency to touch the heads of children would not serve me well where Malay children are concerned, and I don't know that I would be able to supress such a subconscious act -- but I would sure have to try. The observation about Chinese businessmen strikes me as curious. I should think that they would appreciate that the foreigners had taken the trouble to learn and make an attempt to be courteous. In most Asian cultures, I believe that all gifts should be both offered with, and accepted with, both hands. Funny that this would be snickered at when done by visitors. Heck, I even do it in sushi bars. But then, I also bow in my seat when the waiter in a Denny's brings me my food. Hard to break some habits. |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:31:14 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: Interesting comments, Peter, and I'm sure you are not your country's version of "The Ugly American." I have always been exceptionally aware of the image that too many Americans present when visiting foreign countries, however, and have always done my best to observe local customs and mores to the best of my ability. While I doubt that I'd be willing to adopt a burkha in those Arab countries which expect it of native women, neither would I dress like a pop tart. But then, I don't anyway. lol I suspect my natural tendency to touch the heads of children would not serve me well where Malay children are concerned, and I don't know that I would be able to supress such a subconscious act -- but I would sure have to try. The observation about Chinese businessmen strikes me as curious. I should think that they would appreciate that the foreigners had taken the trouble to learn and make an attempt to be courteous. In most Asian cultures, I believe that all gifts should be both offered with, and accepted with, both hands. Funny that this would be snickered at when done by visitors. Heck, I even do it in sushi bars. But then, I also bow in my seat when the waiter in a Denny's brings me my food. Hard to break some habits. In reading your response, I have to admit that yours is the more circumspect behaviour and is appreciated in foreign lands where one does not know the locals. In hindsight I recall being more sensitive to local social customs when we were first in a lot of the areas we have been. The behaviour I exhibit now when amongst friends and work colleagues in Malaysia was not how I behaved when I first arrived. Over a period of time they and I have gotten to know and accept each other. As I said, working, sleeping and eating, laughing and talking in close proximity for days on end engenders a certain intimacy, especially when there are sometimes situations where, for safety, all must rely on each other. And, as I mentioned, people are not stupid. They can see when someone is genuine or not. Children are quite possibly the best judges of all and they have learned that this Uncle is an easy mark and will do whatever they want. As to the Chinese, it often comes as a shock to Westerners to find that a lot of Chinese consider their culture as being far superior to others. They do not gauge the worth of a culture solely by its material or technilogical success as many do in the occidental nations. Most Chinese have a general comprehension of the age of their civilisation and an awareness of the cyclic nature of Chinese dynastic economies and power. Many have spoken of their belief, rightly or wrongly, that America is on the decline economically as well as socially and that China will one day be the world power again. With all of this, a dog still does not eat grass and I refuse to become a mimic of cultures that are not my own. I show respect, yes. I take part in their cultures and learn the language, yes. I eat and stay in their homes and they in mine and we swap children for holidays and weekends. But to pretend that I am not a New Zealander would be patronising. I do however wear a sarong at home and at sea. They reciprocate by now giving their kids birthday parties with cakes and candles. if you would like, I could email you one of my newsletters of my travels that I send to friends. It was written about 5 years ago, describes life on board a Malaysian Customs patrol boat and has some photos as well. Just email me with your email handle. As I said, I love my country (ies) cheers Peter |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:51:09 -0400, Peter Hendra
wrote: What meters? I have never even seen a taxi in Penang that had a meter. Always, "how much to Mokta...", "Long way, Boss, 50 Ringgit". I admit, they do have a shuttle bus that runs around the downtown area but you get on the bus and go somewhere and then get back on the bus to come back and it takes a different road. Where to get off? By the way, I relayed your comments about Bangkok beautiful women to my wife who says that if you believe that then your taste in partners is highly suspect. She says that she's heard all about that geezer Much snipped You know of course that there are seperate supermarket check-out queues for men amnd women in Kelantan state? Love this country. Peter I refuse to get embroiled in a religious debate other then to say that while I worked with a large number of folks who certainly were devout I never say the animosity that appears to exist today. I spent more then twenty years in Indonesia (the largest Moslem country in the world, population wise) and never saw anything like separate supermarket lines for male and female. I know that certain hotels would refuse to rent a room to a couple who obviously weren't married but it appeared more that many hotels preferred not to be known as places of assignment. In fact many Moslems I knew in Indonesia view many of Malaysia's customs as being (dare I say it) a bit ridiculous. Enough of this subject. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:10:51 +0700, Bruce
wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:51:09 -0400, Peter Hendra wrote: What meters? I have never even seen a taxi in Penang that had a meter. Always, "how much to Mokta...", "Long way, Boss, 50 Ringgit". I admit, they do have a shuttle bus that runs around the downtown area but you get on the bus and go somewhere and then get back on the bus to come back and it takes a different road. Where to get off? By the way, I relayed your comments about Bangkok beautiful women to my wife who says that if you believe that then your taste in partners is highly suspect. She says that she's heard all about that geezer Much snipped You know of course that there are seperate supermarket check-out queues for men amnd women in Kelantan state? Love this country. Peter I refuse to get embroiled in a religious debate other then to say that while I worked with a large number of folks who certainly were devout I never say the animosity that appears to exist today. I spent more then twenty years in Indonesia (the largest Moslem country in the world, population wise) and never saw anything like separate supermarket lines for male and female. I know that certain hotels would refuse to rent a room to a couple who obviously weren't married but it appeared more that many hotels preferred not to be known as places of assignment. In fact many Moslems I knew in Indonesia view many of Malaysia's customs as being (dare I say it) a bit ridiculous. Enough of this subject. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) Hi Bruce, I concur entirely with your views. The headscarf for women was hardly worn 20 years ago. Now in Kelatan state, woman may be fined, and are, 50 Ringit for not wearing one. Now I am seeing a few Malay women from there wearing full burkha. When I ask why - I am informed that they are "very religious people" - ridiculous. Still, as you say, enough of this subject. cheers Peter |
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