Bought a 41' Morgan in Ft Myers and, because I took it out of state (to
Louisiana) it has been de-registered from US database.

I am English and want to go to Cuba (amongst other places in the
Caribbean) so thought of registering the boat in UK, even tho I live
permanently in NOLA to avoid the hooha by US Homeland Security etc.

Does anyone have any thoughts on a downside to this idea?

It's a small matter, but now is the time to decide one way or t' other.

Molesworth

Molesworth wrote:

Bought a 41' Morgan in Ft Myers and, because I took it out of state (to
Louisiana) it has been de-registered from US database.

It wouldn't be de-registered because you took it out of Florida. When
you took it out of Florida, you got out of paying Florida use tax
which is levied on the price you pay for the boat and you don't have
to pay the Florida registration. That is just the Florida
registration - not from the USA

You can't document the boat in the US anyway because you are not a US
citizen.

I think you could register the boat in Tortola or in England. I don't
know whether you'd also have to pay to register the boat in Louisiana
if it was being kept there or not.

In any case, I'm not sure that you will be able to avoid Homeland
Security no matter what you do.

I am English and want to go to Cuba (amongst other places in the
Caribbean) so thought of registering the boat in UK, even tho I live
permanently in NOLA to avoid the hooha by US Homeland Security etc.

Does anyone have any thoughts on a downside to this idea?

It's a small matter, but now is the time to decide one way or t' other.

Molesworth

In article ,
Rosalie B. wrote:

Molesworth wrote:

Bought a 41' Morgan in Ft Myers and, because I took it out of state (to
Louisiana) it has been de-registered from US database.

It wouldn't be de-registered because you took it out of Florida. When
you took it out of Florida, you got out of paying Florida use tax
which is levied on the price you pay for the boat and you don't have
to pay the Florida registration. That is just the Florida
registration - not from the USA

Au contraire m'dear,

I have a letter from US Dept of Homeland Security dated 22 Feb 07 wot
clearly states 'this vessel (named above) was deleted from documentation
on Dec 18 2006' even tho I bought it in Feb '07.

But I take your point and will see if I can register it in UK..

Regards

Molesworth

"Molesworth" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Rosalie B. wrote:

Molesworth wrote:

Bought a 41' Morgan in Ft Myers and, because I took it out of state
(to
Louisiana) it has been de-registered from US database.

It wouldn't be de-registered because you took it out of Florida.
When
you took it out of Florida, you got out of paying Florida use tax
which is levied on the price you pay for the boat and you don't have
to pay the Florida registration. That is just the Florida
registration - not from the USA

Au contraire m'dear,

I have a letter from US Dept of Homeland Security dated 22 Feb 07 wot
clearly states 'this vessel (named above) was deleted from
documentation
on Dec 18 2006' even tho I bought it in Feb '07.

But I take your point and will see if I can register it in UK..

Regards

Molesworth

Try registering it in the Bahamas. Almost as good as registering it in
Panama from what I hear.

Wilbur Hubbard

Molesworth wrote:

In article ,
Rosalie B. wrote:

Molesworth wrote:

Bought a 41' Morgan in Ft Myers and, because I took it out of state (to
Louisiana) it has been de-registered from US database.

It wouldn't be de-registered because you took it out of Florida. When
you took it out of Florida, you got out of paying Florida use tax
which is levied on the price you pay for the boat and you don't have
to pay the Florida registration. That is just the Florida
registration - not from the USA

Au contraire m'dear,

I have a letter from US Dept of Homeland Security dated 22 Feb 07 wot
clearly states 'this vessel (named above) was deleted from documentation
on Dec 18 2006' even tho I bought it in Feb '07.

That is documentation though - you said registration. They are
different (and they are opposite in Canada BTW which may be where the
confusion comes in).

Registration in the US is State business. Documentation is Federal.

I think the deletion from documentation can happen whether the vessel
is sold or not, when the documentation expires and is not renewed. It
certainly is not available to a non-US citizen - that is you cannot
document your boat in the US unless you are a US citizen.

But I take your point and will see if I can register it in UK..

You may still have to register the boat in Louisiana.

Regards

Molesworth

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
Molesworth wrote:

In article ,
Rosalie B. wrote:

Molesworth wrote:

Bought a 41' Morgan in Ft Myers and, because I took it out of state
(to
Louisiana) it has been de-registered from US database.

It wouldn't be de-registered because you took it out of Florida.
When
you took it out of Florida, you got out of paying Florida use tax
which is levied on the price you pay for the boat and you don't have
to pay the Florida registration. That is just the Florida
registration - not from the USA

Au contraire m'dear,

I have a letter from US Dept of Homeland Security dated 22 Feb 07 wot
clearly states 'this vessel (named above) was deleted from
documentation
on Dec 18 2006' even tho I bought it in Feb '07.

That is documentation though - you said registration. They are
different (and they are opposite in Canada BTW which may be where the
confusion comes in).

Registration in the US is State business. Documentation is Federal.

I think the deletion from documentation can happen whether the vessel
is sold or not, when the documentation expires and is not renewed. It
certainly is not available to a non-US citizen - that is you cannot
document your boat in the US unless you are a US citizen.

But I take your point and will see if I can register it in UK..

You may still have to register the boat in Louisiana.

I think you are right. If you are a legal resident of a state, this case
LA. then you are required to buy a state registration which is little
more than a tax. In Florida, if one lives or even works for three months
one is required to register the boat in Florida even if it's documented.
The only difference is documented boats don't have to display the
registration numbers but they still must pay for a registration and must
display the little registration sticker.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:54:16 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

I think you are right. If you are a legal resident of a state, this case
LA. then you are required to buy a state registration which is little
more than a tax. In Florida, if one lives or even works for three months
one is required to register the boat in Florida even if it's documented.
The only difference is documented boats don't have to display the
registration numbers but they still must pay for a registration and must
display the little registration sticker.

Wilbur Hubbard

Not in LA. If the boat is documented, Wildlife and Fisheries doesn't
want to have anything to do with it. No tax, no sticker, no nuttin'.
Would be the same if he registered in England, the Bahamas or Canada.
If you document a state registered boat they actually appreciate an
email, mail or phone call so they can delete from the database.

Molesworth, you could state register in LA if you want. I take it you
have a LA driver's license? Don't know why you'd want to, though.

Rick

Molesworth wrote in news:ukmole-
:

Bought a 41' Morgan in Ft Myers and, because I took it out of state (to
Louisiana) it has been de-registered from US database.

I am English and want to go to Cuba (amongst other places in the
Caribbean) so thought of registering the boat in UK, even tho I live
permanently in NOLA to avoid the hooha by US Homeland Security etc.

Does anyone have any thoughts on a downside to this idea?

It's a small matter, but now is the time to decide one way or t' other.

Molesworth


You might be better off talking to these guys, or someone like them:

http://www.trippscott.com/PracticeAr...iptions139.asp

Their fees might be worth it over a few years.

I sail with an Englishman who is not a US citizen, but lives here on a
visa. His boat is US registered, but he told me he couldn't own it,
because he is an alien. (I always did notice the pointy ears, but didn't
say anything...(c His boat is "owned" by his son, a natural-born
American born in Atlanta. Your post made me very curious. Maybe
Geoffrey has the wrong information.

When you're talking serious money, rec.boats, probably, isn't a good
place to get legal advise....(c;

Hmm...Sailing the Irish Sea on a Morgan 41. What a great thought....


Larry
--
Roll up to the long checkout line....
Yell, "ICE RAID!"
It's your turn to load the grocery belt...(c;

In article ,
Larry wrote:

Molesworth wrote in news:ukmole-
:

Bought a 41' Morgan in Ft Myers and, because I took it out of state (to
Louisiana) it has been de-registered from US database.

I am English and want to go to Cuba (amongst other places in the
Caribbean) so thought of registering the boat in UK, even tho I live
permanently in NOLA to avoid the hooha by US Homeland Security etc.

Does anyone have any thoughts on a downside to this idea?

It's a small matter, but now is the time to decide one way or t' other.

Molesworth


You might be better off talking to these guys, or someone like them:

http://www.trippscott.com/PracticeAr...iptions139.asp

Their fees might be worth it over a few years.

I sail with an Englishman who is not a US citizen, but lives here on a
visa. His boat is US registered, but he told me he couldn't own it,
because he is an alien. (I always did notice the pointy ears, but didn't
say anything...(c His boat is "owned" by his son, a natural-born
American born in Atlanta. Your post made me very curious. Maybe
Geoffrey has the wrong information.

When you're talking serious money, rec.boats, probably, isn't a good
place to get legal advise....(c;

Hmm...Sailing the Irish Sea on a Morgan 41. What a great thought...

I'm not a citizen but am a permanent resident. I bought the boat and
it's in my name. I even have a SSN and a job!

The only reason to register outside US is because I want to go to Cuba
to see my son, wife and g/kids in the late spring, and don't want to be
hassled by DHS on my return. My (US) wife is also getting a UK passport.

BVI seems like a good idea, but what about staying in Louisiana on
return? Can I stay for as long as I want here on BVI registration?

This seems like it's more trouble than it's worth.

Molesworth

Molesworth wrote in news:ukmole-
:

My (US) wife is also getting a UK passport.


I screwed up in 1979 when I was in Tehran and the Shah was about to be
deposed. The British Embassy offered to get us British passports to
deflect Iranian radicals who hate Americans, a sort of diversion.

I wish I had taken them up on the offer. They even said it was renewable.

Hindsight is 20/20.....nuts.

Another offer came from the Canadians, too.

Larry
--
"Not me, Mate! I'm British! See, here's my passport."