I told the fire chief the best way to get the CG here, fast, was to
tell them we found 6 bales of pot floating in the river....(c;



On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:26:13 -0500, "Wim" wrote:

Hi Larry,
A good article and even better, your observations! In order to get attention
in this "new world" may be the wording of your complaint needs to be
"updated"!

Suggestion:
When you call in to 911 use the phrase;
" May be started by a " terrorist" or is it a "terrorist action/plot".

In stead of the fire dept. may be they'll send the Homeland Security Rep.
;-))
If the story was not so tragic, it might be comical in its own way ;-)
Taxes at work.
--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
: I came home, yesterday, around noonish. I live on the waterfront of
: the Ashley River in Charleston, SC, about 9.5 miles up from the
: harbor. The Ashley River, combined with the Cooper River, join
: together in downtown Charleston to form the Atlantic Ocean.
:
: I noticed a strong smell of diesel fuel in the air, so proceeded to
: check out my diesel cars and truck for a leak. I found nothing. A
: neighbor came over to see what I was doing and said he knew where the
: smell was coming from, the river. I went down to the waterfront to
: find a fairly big oil slick covered the water out front. I called 911
: to report it, expecting a hazmat response team to find the leak and
: stop it from polluting the river. I was wrong, not for reporting it,
: but for expecting some government bureaucrats to DO something to stop
: it.
:
: The 911 operator triggered a fire truck pumper from our local city
: fire station with three firemen whos lunch was interrupted. Two of
: them were all dressed up to fight a fire, so was the truck. They
: agreed there was an oil spill in the water and told their dispatcher
: so. They called the Coast Guard and SC Department of Health and
: Environmental Control (DHEC). Our fire department has no boat or, it
: seems, hazmat team equipped for oil spills. They seemed very
: reluctant to trespass on anyone's property for fear of the lawyers, so
: the local chief arrived. One neighbor has a fuel oil tank on a small
: hill overlooking the river, but that seemed secure when the chief
: walked over to take a look.
:
: A neighbor, hearing the fire truck ruckus, walked out on his dock and
: also noticed the oil so got in his boat to ride around an look upriver
: as the tide was going out. He offered the firemen a ride with him,
: but they declined as they are not allowed to ride with mere mortals in
: private boats, again for fear of being sued, I suppose.
:
: I expected the Coast Guard to send a hazmat team in one of their fast
: motor lifeboats or rib boats to be haulin' ass upriver. This was
: another hope dashed, when two sailors, a politically-correct team of
: one male and one asian female, arrived by car from downtown. These
: were the investigators for the legal team, whos job it is to place
: blame and see how big a fine they can impose on any violators dumping
: oil into the waterways. They didn't have any hazmat materials to stop
: the oil leak if we found it, only a little plastic sieve in a plastic
: ring and a plastic oil collection bottle to gather evidence to use at
: the poor *******s trial before sentencing. It's now over an hour
: since my report. Noone, on scene, is capable of stopping an oil leak
: or soaking up oil leaking from even a canoe, much less an oil tanker.
: Not a single oil soaking pad has been exposed to the hazard.
:
: A DHEC guy arrived who talked to the sailors and firemen. A decision
: was made that the sailors were going to handle the investigation to
: get the others off the hook. Hands were shaken and the State of South
: Carolina's DHEC left without getting his hands oily. The male sailor
: took a water sample and sealed the jar while the female sailor took
: pictures on her top-of-the-line Sony Mavica SLR still camera to show
: her boss the sailor got his shoes muddy taking the sample. His shoes
: were the only oil casualty, other than the river and its inhabitants,
: in this sordid affair.
:
: Downriver from here, there is only one diesel-powered boat within 5
: miles of waterfront. It's an aging sport fisherman, that has been
: perched over the river on its electric lift for as long as any of us
: can remember. Its owner has long since abandoned deep sea fishing, or
: even cruising it up and down the river, because he's quite old and
: goes out of state a lot, leaving the once-nice boat to sit and rot in
: the hot SC sunshine, abandoned.
:
: The male sailor knows the boat. He has investigated other complaints
: of oil leakage from it many months past from other neighbors on the
: downriver side of it. He said CG had inspected its overboard
: discharge ports and found diesel fuel leaking out of it, long ago.
: The owner's son was notified because the owner was out-of-town making
: another million, I suppose, and the son and a mechanic were supposed
: to "take a look" for oil leaks in the fiberglass hull's interior. Of
: course, it seems no follow-up inspection was done to insure the
: problem was actually found and corrected.....only that all the
: required paperwork and reports were neatly typed without errors and
: filed away with the millions of other reports in some haze grey
: cabinets for future court actions. The on-scene sailors, Second Class
: Petty Officers, USCG, were going to go look, again, at the boat to see
: if that was the source of the oil slick. Noone was in a hurry to stop
: it.
:
: The North Charleston Fire Chief, alerted to the ruckus on the
: waterfront, showed up to confer with the on-scene local chief to make
: sure the department was following the book. Firemen who had turned
: the truck around to go finish lunch decided to back the truck back
: down our dead-end street for the Chief. Lunch was gonna be later then
: planned. Some firemen started in on the now-cold greasy fried
: chicken. I hoped none of it got into the river to make the oil slick
: bigger.
:
: The "chief's conference" was short as government-sponsored conferences
: go and both chief's determined they were off the hook for any cleanup,
: leaving all responsibilities to the politically-correct sailors to
: handle. The firemen all left as they had come, ready to fight that
: dumpster fire at a moment's notice. God bless 'em. We should buy 'em
: a boat and show 'em how to use it....maybe some oil pads and a little
: pump or at least some plastic sheets.
:
: The party broke up soon after the sailors headed over towards Lamb's
: Road to look at the diesel boat.....No hurry. They didn't have the
: equipment to stop the boat from leaking, anyway, in their nice car.
: You'd have to have a BOAT to go under the boat on the lift to put some
: plastic under it to catch any diesel oil leaking out of it. Well,
: Duhhhh......
:
: I suppose, by now, the son has been notified, the reports are being
: neatly typed by the hazmat typing team and all is well, again, on the
: Ashley River.....still coated with diesel fuel. The tide'll have to
: take care of the cleanup. If you live downriver, keep a sharp eye out
: and jack up the boat on your lift another foot.
:
: Thanks.
:
:




Larry W4CSC

"Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
I told the fire chief the best way to get the CG here, fast, was to
tell them we found 6 bales of pot floating in the river....(c;

Don't count on it... When I was a kid I was in the Keys at a small marina.
We (my family) sat there for an hour and watch two guys throws trash bags of
"stuff" from the back of one speed boat to another. Nobody cared...
Besides now that the Coast Guard is part of Homeland Security I wonder how
their role will change from what it was when they were part of the Dept of
transportation.

mark

x-no-archive:yes "rock_doctor" wrote:


"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
I told the fire chief the best way to get the CG here, fast, was to
tell them we found 6 bales of pot floating in the river....(c;

Don't count on it... When I was a kid I was in the Keys at a small marina.
We (my family) sat there for an hour and watch two guys throws trash bags of
"stuff" from the back of one speed boat to another. Nobody cared...

We were anchored off Marathon one night an a cigarette boat with two
big outboards (at least it sounded like it had big ones - you know
that growl that the big engines make) with no lights came up and put a
spotlight on us. We were terrified as we couldn't see them. They
went over and met up with a couple of other boats and they were
transferring stuff from one boat to another.

I did not like to call on the radio (they probably had radios too), so
I called the Coast Guard on the phone. After about an hour, I called
the CG back and they said the boats were theirs and they were working.

Besides now that the Coast Guard is part of Homeland Security I wonder how
their role will change from what it was when they were part of the Dept of
transportation.

In any case, large companies are required to have spill response
plans, and they are supposed to practice. But they aren't going to do
spill response to something they didn't spill.

So if the spill is a private person, there's nobody to clean it up.
If the spill is big enough and notorious enough, and it can be proved
where it came from, then the person who spilled can be fined and
required to hire someone to clean it up. But it has to be a pretty
big spill or a deep pockets company, otherwise it is too much work for
the benefit.

grandma Rosalie

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"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...

Hi, to set the no archive x-header command you have to type:

x-no-archive: yes (and then leave at least 3 blank lines before your post,
as i have done above)

I use to do this but realized so few servers acknowledge the x-header
commands I stopped but I though I would let you know how to do it. :-)

Mark

x-no-archive:yes



"rock_doctor" wrote:

X-No-Archive: yes

Does the capitalization make a difference? I don't type it each time
- it is automatically added to the headers by my mail program.


"Rosalie B." wrote in message
.. .

Hi, to set the no archive x-header command you have to type:

x-no-archive: yes (and then leave at least 3 blank lines before your post,
as i have done above)

I use to do this but realized so few servers acknowledge the x-header
commands I stopped but I though I would let you know how to do it. :-)

Thank you - I did not realize that the spaces were necessary. I agree
it is probably a lost cause.


grandma Rosalie

S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156
http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id2.html

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"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
Thank you - I did not realize that the spaces were necessary. I agree
it is probably a lost cause.

My pleasure, it is a great idea...

mark

That would not do any good down here on this side of the Savannah River.
We have have at least 3 sherrifs in jail now for being the guys on
shore catching the bags. :-)

Larry W4CSC wrote:

I told the fire chief the best way to get the CG here, fast, was to
tell them we found 6 bales of pot floating in the river....(c;



On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:26:13 -0500, "Wim" wrote:


Hi Larry,
A good article and even better, your observations! In order to get attention
in this "new world" may be the wording of your complaint needs to be
"updated"!

Suggestion:
When you call in to 911 use the phrase;
" May be started by a " terrorist" or is it a "terrorist action/plot".

In stead of the fire dept. may be they'll send the Homeland Security Rep.
;-))
If the story was not so tragic, it might be comical in its own way ;-)
Taxes at work.
--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
: I came home, yesterday, around noonish. I live on the waterfront of
: the Ashley River in Charleston, SC, about 9.5 miles up from the
: harbor. The Ashley River, combined with the Cooper River, join
: together in downtown Charleston to form the Atlantic Ocean.
:
: I noticed a strong smell of diesel fuel in the air, so proceeded to
: check out my diesel cars and truck for a leak. I found nothing. A
: neighbor came over to see what I was doing and said he knew where the
: smell was coming from, the river. I went down to the waterfront to
: find a fairly big oil slick covered the water out front. I called 911
: to report it, expecting a hazmat response team to find the leak and
: stop it from polluting the river. I was wrong, not for reporting it,
: but for expecting some government bureaucrats to DO something to stop
: it.
:
: The 911 operator triggered a fire truck pumper from our local city
: fire station with three firemen whos lunch was interrupted. Two of
: them were all dressed up to fight a fire, so was the truck. They
: agreed there was an oil spill in the water and told their dispatcher
: so. They called the Coast Guard and SC Department of Health and
: Environmental Control (DHEC). Our fire department has no boat or, it
: seems, hazmat team equipped for oil spills. They seemed very
: reluctant to trespass on anyone's property for fear of the lawyers, so
: the local chief arrived. One neighbor has a fuel oil tank on a small
: hill overlooking the river, but that seemed secure when the chief
: walked over to take a look.
:
: A neighbor, hearing the fire truck ruckus, walked out on his dock and
: also noticed the oil so got in his boat to ride around an look upriver
: as the tide was going out. He offered the firemen a ride with him,
: but they declined as they are not allowed to ride with mere mortals in
: private boats, again for fear of being sued, I suppose.
:
: I expected the Coast Guard to send a hazmat team in one of their fast
: motor lifeboats or rib boats to be haulin' ass upriver. This was
: another hope dashed, when two sailors, a politically-correct team of
: one male and one asian female, arrived by car from downtown. These
: were the investigators for the legal team, whos job it is to place
: blame and see how big a fine they can impose on any violators dumping
: oil into the waterways. They didn't have any hazmat materials to stop
: the oil leak if we found it, only a little plastic sieve in a plastic
: ring and a plastic oil collection bottle to gather evidence to use at
: the poor *******s trial before sentencing. It's now over an hour
: since my report. Noone, on scene, is capable of stopping an oil leak
: or soaking up oil leaking from even a canoe, much less an oil tanker.
: Not a single oil soaking pad has been exposed to the hazard.
:
: A DHEC guy arrived who talked to the sailors and firemen. A decision
: was made that the sailors were going to handle the investigation to
: get the others off the hook. Hands were shaken and the State of South
: Carolina's DHEC left without getting his hands oily. The male sailor
: took a water sample and sealed the jar while the female sailor took
: pictures on her top-of-the-line Sony Mavica SLR still camera to show
: her boss the sailor got his shoes muddy taking the sample. His shoes
: were the only oil casualty, other than the river and its inhabitants,
: in this sordid affair.
:
: Downriver from here, there is only one diesel-powered boat within 5
: miles of waterfront. It's an aging sport fisherman, that has been
: perched over the river on its electric lift for as long as any of us
: can remember. Its owner has long since abandoned deep sea fishing, or
: even cruising it up and down the river, because he's quite old and
: goes out of state a lot, leaving the once-nice boat to sit and rot in
: the hot SC sunshine, abandoned.
:
: The male sailor knows the boat. He has investigated other complaints
: of oil leakage from it many months past from other neighbors on the
: downriver side of it. He said CG had inspected its overboard
: discharge ports and found diesel fuel leaking out of it, long ago.
: The owner's son was notified because the owner was out-of-town making
: another million, I suppose, and the son and a mechanic were supposed
: to "take a look" for oil leaks in the fiberglass hull's interior. Of
: course, it seems no follow-up inspection was done to insure the
: problem was actually found and corrected.....only that all the
: required paperwork and reports were neatly typed without errors and
: filed away with the millions of other reports in some haze grey
: cabinets for future court actions. The on-scene sailors, Second Class
: Petty Officers, USCG, were going to go look, again, at the boat to see
: if that was the source of the oil slick. Noone was in a hurry to stop
: it.
:
: The North Charleston Fire Chief, alerted to the ruckus on the
: waterfront, showed up to confer with the on-scene local chief to make
: sure the department was following the book. Firemen who had turned
: the truck around to go finish lunch decided to back the truck back
: down our dead-end street for the Chief. Lunch was gonna be later then
: planned. Some firemen started in on the now-cold greasy fried
: chicken. I hoped none of it got into the river to make the oil slick
: bigger.
:
: The "chief's conference" was short as government-sponsored conferences
: go and both chief's determined they were off the hook for any cleanup,
: leaving all responsibilities to the politically-correct sailors to
: handle. The firemen all left as they had come, ready to fight that
: dumpster fire at a moment's notice. God bless 'em. We should buy 'em
: a boat and show 'em how to use it....maybe some oil pads and a little
: pump or at least some plastic sheets.
:
: The party broke up soon after the sailors headed over towards Lamb's
: Road to look at the diesel boat.....No hurry. They didn't have the
: equipment to stop the boat from leaking, anyway, in their nice car.
: You'd have to have a BOAT to go under the boat on the lift to put some
: plastic under it to catch any diesel oil leaking out of it. Well,
: Duhhhh......
:
: I suppose, by now, the son has been notified, the reports are being
: neatly typed by the hazmat typing team and all is well, again, on the
: Ashley River.....still coated with diesel fuel. The tide'll have to
: take care of the cleanup. If you live downriver, keep a sharp eye out
: and jack up the boat on your lift another foot.
:
: Thanks.
:
:





Larry W4CSC

"Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"


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