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Here is the beginning of the end of boating as we know it in the US of A.

http://www.marinelink.com/Story/Coas...it-206253.html

Tennis anyone?

Oh, no, that's right, those balls could have anthrax or radio isotopes in
them.

--
Roger Long

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"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Here is the beginning of the end of boating as we know it in the US of A.

http://www.marinelink.com/Story/Coas...it-206253.html

Tennis anyone?

Oh, no, that's right, those balls could have anthrax or radio isotopes in
them.

--
Roger Long

Roger...if this all comes to pass, quickly move your boat up here and secure
a spot in a local club.
You'll find this area just as nice as Maine for 5 month cruising and the
odds of getting stopped & harassed by our Coast Guard extremely low/nil.
Winters would be best spent in the BVI.

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On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 07:44:09 -0500, Roger Long wrote:

Here is the beginning of the end of boating as we know it in the US of
A.

http://www.marinelink.com/Story/Coas...it-206253.html

A large part of the problem rests with a populace that is cultured to
avoid thinking at all times. Why think when you've got cheap beer, NASCAR
and "Fox News"? (sic). It's easier to manipulate the prejudices, biases
and fears of stupid people. It's easy to get them to believe whatever
horse**** the fuhrer wants to substitute for the truth. A scary part for
non-Americans is the degree to which even seemingly smart people in the US
completely swallow, then regurgitate the pap that passes for "truth" in
the former "land of the free". The real question is whether there are
enough "smart" Americans to stop what from the outside looks like a
dangerous slide into facism.

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Wait ... hold it ... I seem to remember that you are the same Roger Long
who wants "licenses" for operating a boat.

First the government finds out who you are, then they require a license,
then they tax you off the earth ... but .. it is for the "children".





"mr.b" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 07:44:09 -0500, Roger Long wrote:

Here is the beginning of the end of boating as we know it in the US of
A.

http://www.marinelink.com/Story/Coas...it-206253.html

A large part of the problem rests with a populace that is cultured to
avoid thinking at all times. Why think when you've got cheap beer, NASCAR
and "Fox News"? (sic). It's easier to manipulate the prejudices, biases
and fears of stupid people. It's easy to get them to believe whatever
horse**** the fuhrer wants to substitute for the truth. A scary part for
non-Americans is the degree to which even seemingly smart people in the US
completely swallow, then regurgitate the pap that passes for "truth" in
the former "land of the free". The real question is whether there are
enough "smart" Americans to stop what from the outside looks like a
dangerous slide into facism.

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"mr.b" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 07:44:09 -0500, Roger Long wrote:

Here is the beginning of the end of boating as we know it in the US of
A.

http://www.marinelink.com/Story/Coas...it-206253.html

A large part of the problem rests with a populace that is cultured to
avoid thinking at all times. Why think when you've got cheap beer, NASCAR
and "Fox News"? (sic). It's easier to manipulate the prejudices, biases
and fears of stupid people. It's easy to get them to believe whatever
horse**** the fuhrer wants to substitute for the truth. A scary part for
non-Americans is the degree to which even seemingly smart people in the US
completely swallow, then regurgitate the pap that passes for "truth" in
the former "land of the free". The real question is whether there are
enough "smart" Americans to stop what from the outside looks like a
dangerous slide into facism.

Hey, I've got it! Let's require every boat, regardless of size, to file a
float plan with the Coast Guard, which will issue a "Voyage Permit" for each
trip. Doesn't matter if you're going out to fish for a couple of hours,
daysailing, or cruising for a few days, weeks, or months. Get caught without
your "Papers," and your boat is confiscated and you spend some time in the
pokey, getting pokied.

"Land of the Free" my hind leg. This suggestion may seem far-fetched now,
but I'd about guarantee that something along these lines will be proposed,
and possibly adopted.

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KLC Lewis wrote:

"Land of the Free" my hind leg. This suggestion may seem far-fetched
now, but I'd about guarantee that something along these lines will be
proposed, and possibly adopted.

No one who has flown general aviation aircraft since 911 would think that
far-fetched at all.

Here's how it went: Fly within 3 miles of a nuclear power plant and your
busted. Where are the power plants? Sorry, we can't tell you or put them
on the aeronautical charts because that would provide vital information to
the terrorists. The plants weren't on the air traffic control radar scopes
either. If a controller vectored a pilot over one, it was the pilot's
responsibility to know that it was there and tell the controller, "Unable to
comply.".

--
Roger Long

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
...

"mr.b" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 07:44:09 -0500, Roger Long wrote:

Here is the beginning of the end of boating as we know it in the US
of
A.

http://www.marinelink.com/Story/Coas...it-206253.html

A large part of the problem rests with a populace that is cultured to
avoid thinking at all times. Why think when you've got cheap beer,
NASCAR
and "Fox News"? (sic). It's easier to manipulate the prejudices,
biases
and fears of stupid people. It's easy to get them to believe whatever
horse**** the fuhrer wants to substitute for the truth. A scary part
for
non-Americans is the degree to which even seemingly smart people in
the US
completely swallow, then regurgitate the pap that passes for "truth"
in
the former "land of the free". The real question is whether there
are
enough "smart" Americans to stop what from the outside looks like a
dangerous slide into facism.

Hey, I've got it! Let's require every boat, regardless of size, to
file a float plan with the Coast Guard, which will issue a "Voyage
Permit" for each trip. Doesn't matter if you're going out to fish for
a couple of hours, daysailing, or cruising for a few days, weeks, or
months. Get caught without your "Papers," and your boat is confiscated
and you spend some time in the pokey, getting pokied.

"Land of the Free" my hind leg. This suggestion may seem far-fetched
now, but I'd about guarantee that something along these lines will be
proposed, and possibly adopted.


Already there is a law on the books that recreational boaters who leave
the good ole USA and come back in must have passports. If you fail to
clear customs and immigration your boat can be impounded and you
imprisoned and fined. I think it goes into effect this year sometime in
the fall. Imagine that. A US citizen must have federally issued "papers"
that prove he's a citizen before he can return to his own country. In
the meanwhile, illegals flood across the borders and are given handouts
and free medical care and schooling for their ******* children.

Your float plan idea is not far-fetched at all. Already it is in the
"recommended for all vessel voyages" stage by the Coast Guard. It's only
a matter of time before it's mandatory. In Key West the Federal Govt.
issued permits for a handful of sailboats to race to Havana and back.
When the boats returned to Key West they were summarily boarded and
searched. People were arrested for spending money in Cuba if they had
any Cuban goods on board. One boat was impounded for a while. A few
people are still being prosecuted. It all amounts to an abuse of federal
govt. powers. It's going to get worse. It never gets better.

That's why thinking people need a capable voyaging sailboat. The time is
nigh to start looking for a new country. Personally I like the Bahamas.
Almost a third-world country. Parliamentary govt. Small bureaucracy.
They just don't have the money or personnel to harass boaters. No sales
tax. Prices are a little high but I'd rather pay higher prices to the
businessman and no taxes to the govt. than lower prices to the
businessman and high taxes to a govt. that uses tax revenues to slowly
take away your freedom. The Democrats said it's time for a change. Now
that they are in power I'm beginning to agree with them. It's time for a
change in countries.

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Here is the beginning of the end of boating as we know it in the US of A.

http://www.marinelink.com/Story/Coas...it-206253.html

Tennis anyone?

Oh, no, that's right, those balls could have anthrax or radio isotopes in
them.

--
Roger Long

"but we know very little about the 77 million U.S. boaters or the 13 million
recreational vessels that ply U.S. waters," Allen (US Coast Guard
Commandant) said."

Lets see now, 1 hour to check up on each of those 77 million potential
terrorists works out to 43,750 years worth of work if we assume 220 working
days in the year at 8 hours per day. Of course your government could hire
43, 750 new bureaucrats to cut it down to 1 year. Get ready for a tax
increase.

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"Roger Long" wrote in news:45f15693$0$28142
:

Here is the beginning of the end of boating as we know it in the US of
A.



If I leave the country and come back, any other way, I'm inspected by
border agents....plane, train, car....but not yacht. We leave Florida
and go 250 miles to catch the Gulf Stream. We drop out of the stream 90
miles S of Charleston and sail into Charleston Harbor. We are never
stopped, never questioned, never challenged...even by calling us on the
radio. CG can't find us if we're in trouble without our 406 EPIRB
lighting their way, so I know they haven't been tracking us on some
sophisticated satellite system the military runs or they could. When we
sail up the Charleston Jetties in the ship channel from sea, we never see
anyone! We could BE anyone. The boat has no positive identifying
markers of any kind. It says, "Lionheart - Atlanta, GA" across the stern
but we could have had that painted on her while they loaded her
thermonuclear device into the V-berth in (pick any port).

They really DO have a point. The Mexican border isn't anywhere NEAR as
open as the South Carolina Coast! Any boat from anywhere can come
ashore, even right up the main shipping channel into Charleston and NOONE
IS TRACKING THEM! NADA! There's no picket ships at the 3-mile limit, a
really ABSURD edge of the US waters, when it should be 200 miles and
HEAVILY defended from all intruders, foreign and domestic. I could set
off a hydrogen bomb in INTERNATIONAL waters 3-miles off NYC, out of the
jurisdiction of the US Gummit by its own stupidity and make the WTC
inside job look like a pittance! The crater from a BIG bomb is 5 miles
across....inland to New Jersey! How stupid is that?

The USA needs shoreline RADAR and SOSUS and must force EVERY vessel that
leaves/enters the 200 mile exclusion zone to be fully transponding
AIS....JUST LIKE THE AIRPLANES squawk IFF. Hell, you could dock the bomb
8 miles up the Ashley River in front of my house, and be 800 yards from
the main gate of the Charleston Air Force Base and NOONE WOULD KNOW OR
SEEM TO CARE YOU WERE THERE.

Of course, this assumes America is under attack from WITHOUT, which it
was not. America was attacked from WITHIN, by its own government. 9-11
wasn't the first time or the first hairbrained scenario to come from the
isolated Pentagon stupidity machine.....set to blow up bogus airliners
over Cuba to coerce Americans into a pre-emptive invasion against
Castro....remember? If W and the NeoCons had been in that seat, instead
of a dove Democrat, Cuba would be like Beirut, today.

Larry
--
CAUTION - STAY AWAY FROM THE HIGHLY RADIOACTIVE US/MEXICAN BORDER.
(after my plan to dump all nuclear waste 1 mile inland from it.)

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
:

That's why thinking people need a capable voyaging sailboat. The time
is
nigh to start looking for a new country. Personally I like the Bahamas.
Almost a third-world country. Parliamentary govt. Small bureaucracy.
They just don't have the money or personnel to harass boaters. No sales
tax. Prices are a little high but I'd rather pay higher prices to the
businessman and no taxes to the govt. than lower prices to the
businessman and high taxes to a govt. that uses tax revenues to slowly
take away your freedom. The Democrats said it's time for a change. Now
that they are in power I'm beginning to agree with them. It's time for
a
change in countries.

Wilbur Hubbard


One of my female friends just built her SECOND house in Playa Del Hermosa
Jaco, Costa Rica. CR is very American-friendly. She used local
architects, builders, craftsmen for everything. Every drawer pull,
handle and handrail was made by local blacksmiths, by hand. It's
beautiful! Hermosa is CR's surfer paradise on the Pacific.
http://www.jacowebs.com/Kelies/FrameSet.htm
Not ONE pool.....two!...(c;

CR might be a great place to move to. Very little "government" standing
in your way, especially if you're doing something to improve Costa
Ricans.

Larry
--
How much price inflation is caused by illegal
aliens gobbling up goods and services, creating
shortages for the natives? I heard 40%!

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"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
:

That's why thinking people need a capable voyaging sailboat. The time
is
nigh to start looking for a new country. Personally I like the
Bahamas.
Almost a third-world country. Parliamentary govt. Small bureaucracy.
They just don't have the money or personnel to harass boaters. No
sales
tax. Prices are a little high but I'd rather pay higher prices to the
businessman and no taxes to the govt. than lower prices to the
businessman and high taxes to a govt. that uses tax revenues to
slowly
take away your freedom. The Democrats said it's time for a change.
Now
that they are in power I'm beginning to agree with them. It's time
for
a
change in countries.

Wilbur Hubbard


One of my female friends just built her SECOND house in Playa Del
Hermosa
Jaco, Costa Rica. CR is very American-friendly. She used local
architects, builders, craftsmen for everything. Every drawer pull,
handle and handrail was made by local blacksmiths, by hand. It's
beautiful! Hermosa is CR's surfer paradise on the Pacific.
http://www.jacowebs.com/Kelies/FrameSet.htm
Not ONE pool.....two!...(c;

CR might be a great place to move to. Very little "government"
standing
in your way, especially if you're doing something to improve Costa
Ricans.

Larry
--
How much price inflation is caused by illegal
aliens gobbling up goods and services, creating
shortages for the natives? I heard 40%!


I have a friend who retired and moved to Costa Rica. He loves it. Even
married a young honey. He says the money goes further there and it's
really nice living conditions. I might check it out one of these days
but I'd prefer the Caribbean side over the Pacific side.

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
:

That's why thinking people need a capable voyaging sailboat. The time
is
nigh to start looking for a new country. Personally I like the
Bahamas.
Almost a third-world country. Parliamentary govt. Small bureaucracy.
They just don't have the money or personnel to harass boaters. No
sales
tax. Prices are a little high but I'd rather pay higher prices to the
businessman and no taxes to the govt. than lower prices to the
businessman and high taxes to a govt. that uses tax revenues to
slowly
take away your freedom. The Democrats said it's time for a change.
Now
that they are in power I'm beginning to agree with them. It's time
for
a
change in countries.

Wilbur Hubbard


One of my female friends just built her SECOND house in Playa Del
Hermosa
Jaco, Costa Rica. CR is very American-friendly. She used local
architects, builders, craftsmen for everything. Every drawer pull,
handle and handrail was made by local blacksmiths, by hand. It's
beautiful! Hermosa is CR's surfer paradise on the Pacific.
http://www.jacowebs.com/Kelies/FrameSet.htm
Not ONE pool.....two!...(c;

CR might be a great place to move to. Very little "government"
standing
in your way, especially if you're doing something to improve Costa
Ricans.

Larry
--
How much price inflation is caused by illegal
aliens gobbling up goods and services, creating
shortages for the natives? I heard 40%!


That is, indeed, a beautiful place she has there. Any idea of a ballpark
cost for house and lot?

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Larry" wrote in message
...

One of my female friends just built her SECOND house in Playa Del Hermosa
Jaco, Costa Rica. CR is very American-friendly. She used local
architects, builders, craftsmen for everything. Every drawer pull,
handle and handrail was made by local blacksmiths, by hand. It's
beautiful! Hermosa is CR's surfer paradise on the Pacific.
http://www.jacowebs.com/Kelies/FrameSet.htm
Not ONE pool.....two!...(c;

CR might be a great place to move to. Very little "government" standing
in your way, especially if you're doing something to improve Costa
Ricans.


Nice place. We loved Belize, but haven't been to CR.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:IPkIh.24346
:

That is, indeed, a beautiful place she has there. Any idea of a ballpark
cost for house and lot?

Wilbur Hubbard



Would $130K impress you?....(c; It's in an American-dominated neighborhood
of like homes up on the side of the mountain overlooking the Pacific. She
sold the house across the street, sort of the Version 1.0, to some more
Americans who moved down.

I miss her....(c;

Larry
--

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"Capt. JG" wrote in news:12v3nct6uhlqc72
@corp.supernews.com:

Nice place. We loved Belize, but haven't been to CR.



CR is nicer, at least as I've been told. CR isn't owned by Coca-Cola like
Belize politicians are.....and CR natives are VERY friendly towards NICE
Americans/Canadians. I'm told Belize sort of resents the big corporation
owning the country, which I can easily understand.....


Larry
--

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"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote in news:12v3nct6uhlqc72
@corp.supernews.com:

Nice place. We loved Belize, but haven't been to CR.



CR is nicer, at least as I've been told. CR isn't owned by Coca-Cola like
Belize politicians are.....and CR natives are VERY friendly towards NICE
Americans/Canadians. I'm told Belize sort of resents the big corporation
owning the country, which I can easily understand.....


Larry
--


Well, that cuts out Neal aka Wilbur...

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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On Mar 9, 7:44 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
Here is the beginning of the end of boating as we know it in the US of A.

http://www.marinelink.com/Story/Coas...ate-in-Small-V...

Tennis anyone?

Oh, no, that's right, those balls could have anthrax or radio isotopes in
them.

--
Roger Long

This is one of those situations where we can remind the powers that be
that America's boaters can be part of solution, not just another
problem. We know our waters and fellow boaters better than any
Coastie can hope to attain. In all prior wars, we have been viewed as
allies, not enemies. To my way of thinking, the current "stay away"
policy makes sense and should be sufficient for all purposes.

Granted, this is a different war, and a different administration
(which seems to view ordinary citizens as a threat). I am hopeful
(but not confident) that liberty will not be seen as inconsistent with
security; it is shameful that we are being attacked for our liberties
and respond by taking them away. Perhaps if we can elect a few people
who are more interested in preserving our rights than in concentrating
power for the benefit of their friends, we will return to the country
that so many have admired and emulated for centuries (as opposed to
the current attitude, where our leaders are despised).

If the Coast Guard is willing to listen, I'm willing to help them come
up with policies that make sense. If they decide to track every day
sailor, the CG will no resources for the jobs that count.

Steve Hayes

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What a stupid posting. You think the democrats are going to solve your
problems? You think these people care
about your liberties? Are you dumb or what.

Take a listen to Al Gore. He goes on and on about global warming. Then he
gets into a private jet to go and talk some more.

Or some of the liberal ideas about protecting you from yourself.

The liberal phonys such a Hilary, Al, Al Sharpton, etc will tax you off the
earth. And while you are living in a shack
they will tell you why it is so good for you and they had to do it for the
"Children".

I hate em all. The Repubs, the Democrats... all of them.

My basic philosophy.. Leave me the F alone.

Ameria was a great country. Not anymore. It is a cesspool.

The federal government which you want to give the liberals control of can't
even control the border between the US and
Mexico.

What are you going to do when there are more Mexicans living here than US,
US Citizens?




"steve_hayes_maine" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Mar 9, 7:44 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
Here is the beginning of the end of boating as we know it in the US of A.

http://www.marinelink.com/Story/Coas...ate-in-Small-V...

Tennis anyone?

Oh, no, that's right, those balls could have anthrax or radio isotopes in
them.

--
Roger Long

This is one of those situations where we can remind the powers that be
that America's boaters can be part of solution, not just another
problem. We know our waters and fellow boaters better than any
Coastie can hope to attain. In all prior wars, we have been viewed as
allies, not enemies. To my way of thinking, the current "stay away"
policy makes sense and should be sufficient for all purposes.

Granted, this is a different war, and a different administration
(which seems to view ordinary citizens as a threat). I am hopeful
(but not confident) that liberty will not be seen as inconsistent with
security; it is shameful that we are being attacked for our liberties
and respond by taking them away. Perhaps if we can elect a few people
who are more interested in preserving our rights than in concentrating
power for the benefit of their friends, we will return to the country
that so many have admired and emulated for centuries (as opposed to
the current attitude, where our leaders are despised).

If the Coast Guard is willing to listen, I'm willing to help them come
up with policies that make sense. If they decide to track every day
sailor, the CG will no resources for the jobs that count.

Steve Hayes

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"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:5ETIh.3955$vb.3377@trndny04...
What a stupid posting. You think the democrats are going to solve
your problems? You think these people care
about your liberties? Are you dumb or what.

Take a listen to Al Gore. He goes on and on about global warming.
Then he gets into a private jet to go and talk some more.

Did you see his utility bills? He owns three or four houses. His primary
home in Nashville,TN has electricity bills enough to pay for twenty
average-size homes.
****ing fat hypocrite Democrat asshole! Getting rich from the new
religion of human-caused global warming while, if you believe his movie,
he personally is more damaging to the globe than twenty to thirty more
responsible average everyday human beings. And remember what this
asshole said about the President not too long ago. Talk about
pot-kettle-black . . . Boy, are we ever fortunate Gore lost the
election.

"(George Bush) betrayed this country! He played on our fears. He took
America on an ill-conceived foreign adventure dangerous to our troops,
an adventure preordained and planned before 9/11 ever took place!" -- Al
Gore


Or some of the liberal ideas about protecting you from yourself.

The liberal phonys such a Hilary, Al, Al Sharpton, etc will tax you
off the earth.

"Many of you are well enough off that...the tax cuts may have helped
you. We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably
going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take
things away from you on behalf of the common good." -- Hillary Clinton

And while you are living in a shack
they will tell you why it is so good for you and they had to do it for
the "Children".

All the while they talk about their great concern for the children, they
count on the fact most Americans have such a short memory they won't
remember children like those living with the Branch Davidians that Bill
Clinton and Janet Reno roasted alive. And they hope you don't recall the
midnight Gestapo raid that kidnapped
Ellian Gonzalez and forcibly returned him to Cuba.

I hate em all. The Repubs, the Democrats... all of them.

I don't hate them. I despise them for the socialists they are, and
lately, are openly bragging they are. I despise even more the ignorant
asshole voters who have their hands out thinking they are entitled to be
given something for nothing so they vote for the person who they think
will see to it they get the largest handout possible.

My basic philosophy.. Leave me the F alone.

You got that right!

Ameria was a great country. Not anymore. It is a cesspool.

The federal government which you want to give the liberals control of
can't even control the border between the US and Mexico.

What are you going to do when there are more Mexicans living here than
US, US Citizens?

It's all part of the socialist plan. A rich ruling elite patterned after
Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry etc. And a bunch of
peasants groveling at their feet. But the hypocrisy is what gets me.
They act like they are just so concerned about the "little guy" and the
planet and all the while there is only one thing they're really
concerned about and that is their selfish selves. They use stupid people
to further their agenda and the stupid people they use are way too
stupid to wake up and see how sorely they are being used. Take the
majority of African-Americans, for example, they vote Democrat election
after election while Democrats pay lip service to helping them out. Then
even while getting nothing for generations they keep on voting Democrat.
This is the kind of stupidity and greed the socialists count upon. Lie
and lie some more. Count on the fact that most voters are either too
stupid or too greedy to take offense.

There is one instance where everybody of sound mind agrees that Bush and
Cheney lied. That's Bush and Cheney said, during the 2004 presidential
campaign, that Kerry and Edwards were "worthy opponents". --Capt. Neal

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Gogarty" wrote in message
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In article ,
llid says...
"(George Bush) betrayed this country! He played on our fears. He took
America on an ill-conceived foreign adventure dangerous to our troops,
an adventure preordained and planned before 9/11 ever took place!" -- Al
Gore

You have a problem with that quote?


I believe he was pointing out the hypocracy of AlGore's comments (true
enough) about the Shrub, while he himself is "playing on our fears" with the
"Global Warming" gambit.