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Hi,

As some know, I'm looking for a 28-ft sailboat, probably an Islander
28. I've seen several in California that look in sailable condition
and in my price-range. Looks like it would cost around $4000CDN or so
to ship one up, so I was thinking...

Can I sail it up?

Is it feasable to think about sailing a 28-ft boat up from, say, LA to
Pt Roberts, singlehanded? How long would it take? What's the best time
of year? What things should I look for or upgrade on the boat before I
made the trip? Should I "gunkhole" (ie stop at every port), or do long
passages offshore?

I've been sailing Georgia Strait for over 30 years, mostly
singlehanded, on boats 22, 25, and 36 ft, but rarely "offshore".

Here's one I'm considering:
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...id=1900&url =

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org

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druid wrote:
Hi,

As some know, I'm looking for a 28-ft sailboat, probably an Islander
28. I've seen several in California that look in sailable condition
and in my price-range. Looks like it would cost around $4000CDN or so
to ship one up, so I was thinking...

Can I sail it up?

Is it feasable to think about sailing a 28-ft boat up from, say, LA to
Pt Roberts, singlehanded? How long would it take? What's the best time
of year? What things should I look for or upgrade on the boat before I
made the trip? Should I "gunkhole" (ie stop at every port), or do long
passages offshore?

I've been sailing Georgia Strait for over 30 years, mostly
singlehanded, on boats 22, 25, and 36 ft, but rarely "offshore".

Here's one I'm considering:
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...id=1900&url =

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org


Charlie's Charts would be a helpful resource. Brian Fagan has some good
stuff on the L.A. to SF part of the trip, but I'm not sure whether he
has anything about route strategies for farther north.

I'd definitely not do it in the winter months; summer is your best bet.
If I were to do it I'd much rather have an able-bodied and knowledgeable
crew member along.

Take a look at this link
http://www.latitude38.com/LectronicL...#anchor1085433
to see what can happen when one does not respect the weather that one
can encounter in this part of the pacific. The voyage you propose is
certainly do-able, but I'd proceed with caution and respect.

Cheers,
Alan Gomes

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"druid" wrote in message
ps.com...
Hi,

As some know, I'm looking for a 28-ft sailboat, probably an Islander
28. I've seen several in California that look in sailable condition
and in my price-range. Looks like it would cost around $4000CDN or so
to ship one up, so I was thinking...

Can I sail it up?

Is it feasable to think about sailing a 28-ft boat up from, say, LA to
Pt Roberts, singlehanded? How long would it take? What's the best time
of year? What things should I look for or upgrade on the boat before I
made the trip? Should I "gunkhole" (ie stop at every port), or do long
passages offshore?

I've been sailing Georgia Strait for over 30 years, mostly
singlehanded, on boats 22, 25, and 36 ft, but rarely "offshore".

Here's one I'm considering:
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...id=1900&url =

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org


You can more-or-less harbor-hop up the coast, but beware of some very
treacherous coastal conditions along the northern California and Southern
Oregon coastlines -- not to mention Washington. Many have come to grief
along those rocky shores. Winds and currents are predominantly from the
north-north-west, which makes for a long wet beat up that coast, but in the
winter months there are the occasional southern gales. It can be done, and
many have done it. But I would seriously recommend at least one crew aboard
even if you do intend to hop the coast.

The Better Route? Go to Hawaii and then across. Longer, but safer.

CA to BC Singlehanded?
 

druid wrote:
Hi,

As some know, I'm looking for a 28-ft sailboat, probably an Islander
28. I've seen several in California that look in sailable condition
and in my price-range. Looks like it would cost around $4000CDN or so
to ship one up, so I was thinking...

Can I sail it up?

Is it feasable to think about sailing a 28-ft boat up from, say, LA to
Pt Roberts, singlehanded? How long would it take? What's the best time
of year? What things should I look for or upgrade on the boat before I
made the trip? Should I "gunkhole" (ie stop at every port), or do long
passages offshore?

I've been sailing Georgia Strait for over 30 years, mostly
singlehanded, on boats 22, 25, and 36 ft, but rarely "offshore".

Here's one I'm considering:
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...id=1900&url =

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org


Charlie's Charts would be a helpful resource. Brian Fagan has some good
stuff on the L.A. to SF part of the trip, but I'm not sure whether he
has anything about route strategies for farther north.

I'd definitely not do it in the winter months; summer is your best bet.
If I were to do it I'd much rather have an able-bodied and knowledgeable
crew member along.

Take a look at this link
http://www.latitude38.com/LectronicL...#anchor1085433

to see what can happen when one does not respect the weather that one
can encounter in this part of the pacific. The voyage you propose is
certainly do-able, but I'd proceed with caution and respect.

Cheers,
Alan Gomes

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On Feb 21, 8:49 am, "druid" wrote:

Hi,
Is it feasable to think about sailing a 28-ft boat up from, say, LA to
Pt Roberts, singlehanded?

Hi:
There was a troll here a few months ago about the time the
"professional crew" died when a cat washed up on an Oregon beach. The
troll desribed your same trip with the exception of leaving in
november and the boat was 45'+. There were some very somber responses.
I grew up on the centeral Oregon coast, commercial fished, and sailed
Cresent City to Neah Bay areas over the years. I have never consider
myself fully prepared for any PNW passage.

Do a Google search in this group. There are some very good
conversatoins about your "Dream." You want a blunt opinion?
Yould be one stupid **** thinking you can hop on that pea pod and sail
noth and expect to actuall get there. I would estamate a 95%
probability your boat would end up on the beach and
you ...............

It aint called the Grave Yard of The Pacific for nutun.

Truck the boat. Spend five years attempting to saill daily out of any
of the OR-WA estuaties (bays) then you'll be able to answere your own
question.
Bob

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On Feb 21, 9:12 am, Alan Gomes wrote:

I'd definitely not do it in the winter months; summer is your best bet.
If I were to do it I'd much rather have an able-bodied and knowledgeable
crew member along.

Take a look at this linkhttp://www.latitude38.com/LectronicLat/2006/1206/Dec18/Dec18.html#anc...
to see what can happen when one does not respect the weather that one
can encounter in this part of the pacific. The voyage you propose is
certainly do-able, but I'd proceed with caution and respect.


Thanks, Alan. Yes, "summer" definitely, but up here we talk about
"fogust" so June or July would be better if it was here. Don't know
about Oregon or WA, though....

Yes, I've seen MANY pics and clips about disasters and boats in
trouble on the Oregon and WA coasts (esp Columbia River entrance and
LaPush), but I'm wondering if this is typical, or if I have a good
chance of picking a week where it's pretty much flat calm (or at least
less than 3-4 meters). Do people commonly go out off the coast in 28-
footers, or would an attempt be worthy of book and song?


Anybody know?
druid

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On Feb 21, 9:16 am, Alan Gomes wrote:

I'd definitely not do it in the winter months;

Sound advice. ALthough traditionally, January has a nice big High for
a couple weeks producing light variable winds and glassy seas. I think
pilots call that condition a "sucker hole" looks
inviting.............. then it closes up and u r in big trouble.


summer is your best bet.

Typicall summer weather...................... NW 15-30K, seas W or NW
8-20', air temp 58 F, water temp 50-53 F, FOG.

DOnt sond too much fun on a lake boat.

If I were to do it I'd much rather have an able-bodied and knowledgeable
crew member along.


Then your AB crew says your nuts and makes decessions counter to yours
bwe cause the AB is more knowledagble......... then what. A boat can
have only one captain.

Cheers,
Alan Gomes- Hide quoted text -

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On Feb 21, 9:15 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:

You can more-or-less harbor-hop up the coast, but beware of some very
treacherous coastal conditions

but in the
winter months there are the occasional southern gales.

Yes, the Oregon coast did experince one of thoes "southern gales" two
months ago.

Newport reported 108 mph gusts and a steady 80 mph. Just another one
of thoes pesky southern gales. About once EVERY winter we have a 100
mph + storm, several 60-80 mph storms, and a series of 50 k winds with
25' seas. Check out NOAA bouy reports for a full picture.

PLEASE truck your boat. I am tired of reading about yet another
visitor lost at sea.


The Better Route? Go to Hawaii and then across. Longer, but safer.

Yes, this is what some cruise guides recomend. But do that in a lake
boat???

Bob

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On Feb 21, 9:36 am, "Bob" wrote:
On Feb 21, 9:15 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:

You can more-or-less harbor-hop up the coast, but beware of some very
treacherous coastal conditions
but in the
winter months there are the occasional southern gales.

Yes, the Oregon coast did experince one of thoes "southern gales" two
months ago.
SNIP

Of course I wouldn't consider such a trip in the winter months. I'm
going by my experience with the WCVI, which in the winter also has
"hurricane-force" storms and 10-meter seas. But in the summer, usually
the biggest problem is fog (which is why virtually ALL boats on WCVI
have radar). We went around Cape Caution in June and apart from the
swells, I could have taken my dinghy.

But it sounds like the Ore coast is not as nice as the WCVI, even in
summer. (although if it's ludicrous to be out in a 28-ft boat, why
does LaPush SOMETIMES have a warning for boats "under 26 feet"?)

PLEASE truck your boat. I am tired of reading about yet another
visitor lost at sea.

That does sound like the Right Thing to Do. This wasn't a "dream" for
me, just a possible option. My "dream" is to "circumavigate" (it that
the right word for going around an island?) Vancouver Island, and I
know a boat like this could easily do that in the summer (as long as I
have radar...)

The Better Route? Go to Hawaii and then across. Longer, but safer.

Yes, this is what some cruise guides recomend. But do that in a lake
boat???

Not sure your definition of "lake boat". I'm pretty sure I28's have
done the trek to Hawaii: I know many Catalina 27s have, and of course
Crown 28's and Cal 29's do it all the time. I have considered it, but
I just don't have the time it would take.

druid

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Bob wrote:
On Feb 21, 9:16 am, Alan Gomes wrote:

I'd definitely not do it in the winter months;

Sound advice. ALthough traditionally, January has a nice big High for
a couple weeks producing light variable winds and glassy seas. I think
pilots call that condition a "sucker hole" looks
inviting.............. then it closes up and u r in big trouble.


summer is your best bet.

Typicall summer weather...................... NW 15-30K, seas W or NW
8-20', air temp 58 F, water temp 50-53 F, FOG.

DOnt sond too much fun on a lake boat.

If I were to do it I'd much rather have an able-bodied and knowledgeable
crew member along.


Then your AB crew says your nuts and makes decessions counter to yours
bwe cause the AB is more knowledagble......... then what. A boat can
have only one captain.


There are certainly people who are both able bodied and knowledgeable
who also respect the captain's right to make the decisions. Obviously
you need to know something about the person's attitude, etc. ahead of
time to be clear on that point. On the other hand, someone who doesn't
know anything could actually be more of a hindrance than a help when the
stuff hits the fan, because then you are looking out for their welfare
as well as trying to sail the boat. I'd probably opt for single handing
before having someone like that aboard.

--AG

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Bob wrote:
On Feb 21, 9:15 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:

You can more-or-less harbor-hop up the coast, but beware of some very
treacherous coastal conditions

but in the
winter months there are the occasional southern gales.

Yes, the Oregon coast did experince one of thoes "southern gales" two
months ago.

Newport reported 108 mph gusts and a steady 80 mph. Just another one
of thoes pesky southern gales. About once EVERY winter we have a 100
mph + storm, several 60-80 mph storms, and a series of 50 k winds with
25' seas. Check out NOAA bouy reports for a full picture.

PLEASE truck your boat. I am tired of reading about yet another
visitor lost at sea.


The Better Route? Go to Hawaii and then across. Longer, but safer.

Yes, this is what some cruise guides recomend. But do that in a lake
boat???

Bob

It could definitely be done, and has been done, in an Islander 28. If
the boat is sound, the captain/crew skilled, and the weather window
selected judiciously there's no reason this can't be done.

On the other hand, it would not be the fastest or most comfortable trip
in an Islander 28.

--AG

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druid wrote:
Is it feasable to think about sailing a 28-ft boat up from, say, LA to
Pt Roberts, singlehanded? ...
I've been sailing Georgia Strait for over 30 years, mostly
singlehanded, on boats 22, 25, and 36 ft, but rarely "offshore".

Druid,
I've never done the SF to PNW trip, but I have done a fair amount of
coastal cruising and passage making. The trip from LA to SF is no big
deal as long as you are patient and wait for a good weather window as
you pass Pt. Conception/ Pt. Sur. However, from what I know of it, I
would definitely not recommend you singlehand an unfamiliar boat from SF
north as your first offshore adventure. Let alone one not designed,
prepared or equipped for an offshore passage. I'm not saying anything
negative about the Islander 28, but it's just not designed for the
conditions that trip can expose it to.

You would be much better off spending a couple of thousand bucks and
trucking the boat up. I've trucked a 30' sailboat a couple of times
(from LA to SF and San Carlos, Mex. to SF). Trust me, you'll save far
more just in the wear and tear he boat would suffer getting up to the
PNW on her own keel than the cost of trucking it. It (and you) will get
there in one piece too.

The total cost in '97 from LA to SF was $1500. In '99, the San
Carlos-SF cost was $3000 but that entailed 2 trucks and transferring the
boat from one to the other with a crane in Tuscon. I dunno what
today's cost would be, but I suspect it would be in the range of
$2k-$2500 if you shop around and are flexible regarding the shipping dates.

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In article ,
KLC Lewis wrote:
You can more-or-less harbor-hop up the coast, but beware of some very
treacherous coastal conditions along the northern California and Southern
Oregon coastlines -- not to mention Washington. Many have come to grief
along those rocky shores. Winds and currents are predominantly from the
north-north-west, which makes for a long wet beat up that coast, but in the
winter months there are the occasional southern gales. It can be done, and
many have done it. But I would seriously recommend at least one crew aboard
even if you do intend to hop the coast.

And, the CG closes ports from time to time... the main thing would be
to not be in a rush, but be ready to go if the weather window presents
itself.
--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com

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druid wrote:
On Feb 21, 9:36 am, "Bob" wrote:
On Feb 21, 9:15 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:

You can more-or-less harbor-hop up the coast, but beware of some very
treacherous coastal conditions
but in the
winter months there are the occasional southern gales.
Yes, the Oregon coast did experince one of thoes "southern gales" two
months ago.
SNIP

Of course I wouldn't consider such a trip in the winter months. I'm
going by my experience with the WCVI, which in the winter also has
"hurricane-force" storms and 10-meter seas. But in the summer, usually
the biggest problem is fog (which is why virtually ALL boats on WCVI
have radar). We went around Cape Caution in June and apart from the
swells, I could have taken my dinghy.

But it sounds like the Ore coast is not as nice as the WCVI, even in
summer. (although if it's ludicrous to be out in a 28-ft boat, why
does LaPush SOMETIMES have a warning for boats "under 26 feet"?)

PLEASE truck your boat. I am tired of reading about yet another
visitor lost at sea.

That does sound like the Right Thing to Do. This wasn't a "dream" for
me, just a possible option. My "dream" is to "circumavigate" (it that
the right word for going around an island?) Vancouver Island, and I
know a boat like this could easily do that in the summer (as long as I
have radar...)

The Better Route? Go to Hawaii and then across. Longer, but safer.
Yes, this is what some cruise guides recomend. But do that in a lake
boat???

Not sure your definition of "lake boat". I'm pretty sure I28's have
done the trek to Hawaii: I know many Catalina 27s have, and of course
Crown 28's and Cal 29's do it all the time. I have considered it, but
I just don't have the time it would take.

druid


An Islander 28 is not a "lake boat." It's a decently built coastal
cruiser, which can be (and has been) taken on longer off-shore voyages
but which is not the ideal vessel for such an enterprise. Ditto for the
Cal 29--great boat but with a number of characteristics (e.g., large
cockpit, fairly large companion way, etc.) that would not make it a
first choice for extended offshore work. Such voyages can be done, have
been done, and are not suicide to do if the appropriate precautions are
taken.

--Alan Gomes

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druid wrote:
Hi,

As some know, I'm looking for a 28-ft sailboat, probably an Islander
28. I've seen several in California that look in sailable condition
and in my price-range. Looks like it would cost around $4000CDN or so
to ship one up, so I was thinking...


Call Scott at Underway LLC at 541-463-0555 in Eugene Ore and get a
quote to haul the boat up.
He will derig the boat himself and I would have him deliver it to Pt
Angeles Wa (save a huge ferry fare) where they can put it in the water
and rerig. Then you scoot across the straits and you're home free.
He also brokers boats at fair prices and may have what you want
sitting on the hard in Eugene.
I have my boat moored at Pt angeles and I know the yardmaster, so can
help you make connections there.
Scott just delivered a 30 footer to me here in Sequim from Marina Del
Rey and total cost USD was 2300.
Can't hurt to call him!
Gordon

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Dan Best wrote:
druid wrote:
Is it feasable to think about sailing a 28-ft boat up from, say, LA to
Pt Roberts, singlehanded? ...
I've been sailing Georgia Strait for over 30 years, mostly
singlehanded, on boats 22, 25, and 36 ft, but rarely "offshore".

Druid,
I've never done the SF to PNW trip, but I have done a fair amount of
coastal cruising and passage making. The trip from LA to SF is no big
deal as long as you are patient and wait for a good weather window as
you pass Pt. Conception/ Pt. Sur. However, from what I know of it, I
would definitely not recommend you singlehand an unfamiliar boat from SF
north as your first offshore adventure. Let alone one not designed,
prepared or equipped for an offshore passage. I'm not saying anything
negative about the Islander 28, but it's just not designed for the
conditions that trip can expose it to.

You would be much better off spending a couple of thousand bucks and
trucking the boat up. I've trucked a 30' sailboat a couple of times
(from LA to SF and San Carlos, Mex. to SF). Trust me, you'll save far
more just in the wear and tear he boat would suffer getting up to the
PNW on her own keel than the cost of trucking it. It (and you) will get
there in one piece too.

The total cost in '97 from LA to SF was $1500. In '99, the San
Carlos-SF cost was $3000 but that entailed 2 trucks and transferring the
boat from one to the other with a crane in Tuscon. I dunno what today's
cost would be, but I suspect it would be in the range of $2k-$2500 if
you shop around and are flexible regarding the shipping dates.


I do agree with Dan here--particularly with the part about the boat
being unfamiliar to you and most likely not properly equipped (without
significant work) for an offshore passage. You've got to weigh these
factors also in your decision--although it is certainly true that an
Islander 28, in the right hands and properly equipped can do it. In your
specific case, you wouldn't know the boat (a very important factor), and
to add the gear you should have for this passage would probably wind up
costing you more than just trucking it. So unless you wanted to do the
trip for its own sake, I think I'd go with Dan's suggestion, since it
sounds like your main concern is just to get the boat from point A to
point B.

--Alan Gomes

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On Feb 21, 10:12 am, Dan Best wrote:
Trust me, you'll save far
more just in the wear and tear he boat would suffer getting up to the
PNW on her own keel than the cost of trucking it.

That's a Good Point that I hadn't considered.

It's not so much that I wanted to save the trucking costs (which look
like about $4000CDN), but that I wanted a little adventure (Emphasis
on "little"). However, having sailed a 22-footer single-handed in a
gale, jumped out of a DC3 at night, parted company with a Yamaha RD at
50mph, I'm kinda "adventured-out". ;)

The trucking option sounds like the way to go. Now if I can just sell
Far Cove...

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org

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On Feb 21, 10:24 am, Gordon wrote:
druid wrote:
Hi,

As some know, I'm looking for a 28-ft sailboat, probably an Islander
28. I've seen several in California that look in sailable condition
and in my price-range. Looks like it would cost around $4000CDN or so
to ship one up, so I was thinking...

Call Scott at Underway LLC at 541-463-0555 in Eugene Ore and get a
quote to haul the boat up.
He will derig the boat himself and I would have him deliver it to Pt
Angeles Wa (save a huge ferry fare) where they can put it in the water
and rerig. Then you scoot across the straits and you're home free.

Thanks, Gord! I'll call him as soon as I've sold Far Cove. I like that
he will derig/re-rig so I won't have to make too many trips to CA. I'd
probably get him to ship it to Blaine or even Seattle rather than Pt
Angeles: they're right on the I-5 and it's easy for me to sail it up
from there.

And I am hoping to find something here in the PNW so I won't have to
truck it at all.

So - anybody want to buy a nice 1982 Catalina 36? ;)

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org

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On Feb 21, 10:21 am, Alan Gomes wrote:
druid wrote:
On Feb 21, 9:36 am, "Bob" wrote:
On Feb 21, 9:15 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:

You can more-or-less harbor-hop up the coast, but beware of some very
treacherous coastal conditions
but in the
winter months there are the occasional southern gales.
Yes, the Oregon coast did experince one of thoes "southern gales" two
months ago.
SNIP

Of course I wouldn't consider such a trip in the winter months. I'm
going by my experience with the WCVI, which in the winter also has
"hurricane-force" storms and 10-meter seas. But in the summer, usually
the biggest problem is fog (which is why virtually ALL boats on WCVI
have radar). We went around Cape Caution in June and apart from the
swells, I could have taken my dinghy.

But it sounds like the Ore coast is not as nice as the WCVI, even in
summer. (although if it's ludicrous to be out in a 28-ft boat, why
does LaPush SOMETIMES have a warning for boats "under 26 feet"?)
An Islander 28 is not a "lake boat."

After looking a the picture of the cockpit I would call it a lake
boat. Why.... a huge cockpit with the door big enough to pass an
elephant below.... add the boards go right to the floor of the
cockpit. So what happens when the cockpit fills with water cause all
you got is two 3/4 inch cockpit drains...... the sten
squats..........the next wave blows your boards in........... the boat
floods......... electrics fry...... boat wallows ..........
blub........... blub............ blub............ Secon

Personally I have two 1 1/2" cockpit drains plus one 2 1/2" ID
drain........ a cockpit half your size on a 26,000 lb boat. As I said
earlier... and still feel ill prepared for cruising in the PNW.

THink your ready? Fill the cockpit with water to the top. See what
happens........... Now pull the plugs on the drains and time how long
it takes to drain. NOw compare the draiin time with the swell duration
youll incounter. 13 seconds for a nice 20' sea is not unreasonable.
Does your cockpit drain in time for that next wave hit?????????


Do not kid your self. Its a robust lake boat. Sure lots of people have
completed great voyage in less. I hear tale that people have even
sailed Nigra Falls in a barrel...... and survied.


It's a decently built coastal
cruiser,

Uh, which coast? Which season??????

Truck it. Have fun. Stay alive.

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On Feb 21, 11:00 am, "Bob" wrote:
On Feb 21, 10:21 am, Alan Gomes wrote:

An Islander 28 is not a "lake boat."

After looking a the picture of the cockpit I would call it a lake
boat. Why.... a huge cockpit with the door big enough to pass an
elephant below.... add the boards go right to the floor of the
cockpit. So what happens when the cockpit fills with water cause all
you got is two 3/4 inch cockpit drains......

Simple Solutions:
1. Glass in the lowest companionway board.
2. remove the transom (like you had an outboard there). Water comes
in, water goes out. No chance of a clogged drain. Maybe put a board in
to stop most of a following wave. I saw one (Crown 28 I think) that
had a board in the "hole" rigged to drop down into a swim-grid. Sweet!

druid - had a wave come over the top of his Venture 22 and it didn't
sink

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Hi Lloyd

One friend bought an Islander 34 in Long Beach. Got to San Fransico and
trucked it.

A sailing instructor colleague did a multihanded trip from California and
said it was one omne of the worst expereinces in his life (mainly under
power)

Other instructor sailed a Yamaha 33 from the Gulf Islands to Southern
California and trucked it back.

Some students took a Maple Leaf 56 down the coast on the start of a 2 year
Pacific voyage; that was the worst leg.

You are sailing upwind, against a current.

The only similarity between sailing in the Georgia Strait and going offshore
is that you are on a boat.

I have been in the Pacific (Honolulu to the PNW) in an Elite 37. That is as
small as I am prepared to go.

"Truck it."

Jack

--
__________________________________________________
Jack Dale
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor
CYA Advanced Cruising Instructor
Director, Swiftsure Sailing Academy
http://www.swiftsuresailing.com
__________________________________________________





"druid" wrote in message
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Hi,

As some know, I'm looking for a 28-ft sailboat, probably an Islander
28. I've seen several in California that look in sailable condition
and in my price-range. Looks like it would cost around $4000CDN or so
to ship one up, so I was thinking...

Can I sail it up?

Is it feasable to think about sailing a 28-ft boat up from, say, LA to
Pt Roberts, singlehanded? How long would it take? What's the best time
of year? What things should I look for or upgrade on the boat before I
made the trip? Should I "gunkhole" (ie stop at every port), or do long
passages offshore?

I've been sailing Georgia Strait for over 30 years, mostly
singlehanded, on boats 22, 25, and 36 ft, but rarely "offshore".

Here's one I'm considering:
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...id=1900&url =

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org

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Bob wrote:
On Feb 21, 10:21 am, Alan Gomes wrote:
druid wrote:
snip
An Islander 28 is not a "lake boat."

After looking a the picture of the cockpit I would call it a lake
boat. Why.... a huge cockpit with the door big enough to pass an
elephant below.... add the boards go right to the floor of the
cockpit. So what happens when the cockpit fills with water cause all
you got is two 3/4 inch cockpit drains...... the sten
squats..........the next wave blows your boards in........... the boat
floods......... electrics fry...... boat wallows ..........
blub........... blub............ blub............ Secon

These shortcomings can be corrected without massive expense or huge
effort. But they would take some expense and some effort. As was pointed
out already, this will not be a boat that has had these shortcomings
addressed, and the point here is simply to take delivery of it and move
it to its new home. Hence, it is not an optimum boat for such a trip.

snip


Do not kid your self. Its a robust lake boat. Sure lots of people have
completed great voyage in less. I hear tale that people have even
sailed Nigra Falls in a barrel...... and survied.

I was wondering how long it would take for this specious argument to
surface, as it always does in such discussions. :-)

Obviously there is a range of risk in taking ANY vessel off shore. It's
on a continuum, with a "barrel" being on one end of the extreme. While
an Islander 28 may not be as suitable for offshore work as some other
designs, the comparison to going over Niagra Falls in a barrel--which is
really a dangerous stunt--is not at all apt. If you have a well-found
Islander 28, good sailing skills, and pick your weather windows
judiciously, the chances are high that you'll do fine, whereas the
chances of doing it successfully in, e.g., a Sabot, are pretty
low--though not zero.

Still, he won't know the boat, it's not optimum for this trip, the
things that could be done to mitigate the shortcomings will not be done
on this particular boat (which, even if done, would still not make it
optimum but would help), etc. etc. So I agree with those who say "truck
it." But I disagree with those who think it's in the category of a "stunt."


It's a decently built coastal
cruiser,

Uh, which coast? Which season??????

Any coast, depending on the weather. As I said, I'd pick my season
because of the relative unpredictability of winter weather.


Truck it. Have fun. Stay alive.

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On Feb 21, 4:30 pm, "Jack Dale" wrote:
Hi Lloyd

A sailing instructor colleague did a multihanded trip from California and
said it was one omne of the worst expereinces in his life (mainly under
power)

The only similarity between sailing in the Georgia Strait and going offshore
is that you are on a boat.

I have been in the Pacific (Honolulu to the PNW) in an Elite 37. That is as
small as I am prepared to go.

"Truck it."

Jack


Thank you for that post Jack. Maybe if that guy hears enough posts
like yours it will sink in to his head that life above N 45 line is
not the same as California Del Fun. Once he gets the boat up here Im
sure it will be a lot of fun running over the bar on a nice day. Its
kinda cool in the bottom of a trough looking up and seeing the crest
above your mast............. :)

Prudent.............and alive Bob

PS Think 7"x15" non opening ports with 3/8" lexan through bolted with
fourteen 1/4" 316 MS as a minimum standard. Opening ports? Again
nothing bigger than 7x15 with 10mm tempered glass in through bolted
bronze or ss frames with at least 4 dogs.

Again thank you Jack for your to the point advice for Mr. Lake Boat.

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Bob wrote:

On Feb 21, 4:30 pm, "Jack Dale" wrote:

Hi Lloyd


A sailing instructor colleague did a multihanded trip from California and
said it was one omne of the worst expereinces in his life (mainly under
power)


The only similarity between sailing in the Georgia Strait and going offshore
is that you are on a boat.


I have been in the Pacific (Honolulu to the PNW) in an Elite 37. That is as
small as I am prepared to go.

"Truck it."

Jack



Thank you for that post Jack. Maybe if that guy hears enough posts
like yours it will sink in to his head that life above N 45 line is
not the same as California Del Fun. Once he gets the boat up here Im
sure it will be a lot of fun running over the bar on a nice day. Its
kinda cool in the bottom of a trough looking up and seeing the crest
above your mast............. :)

Prudent.............and alive Bob

PS Think 7"x15" non opening ports with 3/8" lexan through bolted with
fourteen 1/4" 316 MS as a minimum standard. Opening ports? Again
nothing bigger than 7x15 with 10mm tempered glass in through bolted
bronze or ss frames with at least 4 dogs.

Again thank you Jack for your to the point advice for Mr. Lake Boat.

When I was a teen we did weekend sailing in very heavy seas, the molokai
channel, at night and during the day, in a very seaworthy sailboat, a
Blanchard 33.' The boat always felt solid, I was never afraid, even at
the tiller myself with everyone else asleep.

I loved it. I really did, waves washing over the cockpit and all. But
the rough passage only lasted for a day or less, then we'd anchor in a
calm bay or harbor and rest.

And nowadays, I'm not taking my Hunter 33' anywhere near ocean waters.
Puget Sound and related inland passages is enough for me and my family,
especially if we're going to be on the boat more than two or three days
at a time.

Stephen

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Can't you find a boat in Seattle?

--

SeeYaa:) Harbin Osteen KG6URO

When American Citizens with dual citizenship pledges allegiance
to the flag, to which flag do they pledge allegiance too?

-



"druid" wrote in message ps.com...
Hi,

As some know, I'm looking for a 28-ft sailboat, probably an Islander
28. I've seen several in California that look in sailable condition
and in my price-range. Looks like it would cost around $4000CDN or so
to ship one up, so I was thinking...

Can I sail it up?

Is it feasable to think about sailing a 28-ft boat up from, say, LA to
Pt Roberts, singlehanded? How long would it take? What's the best time
of year? What things should I look for or upgrade on the boat before I
made the trip? Should I "gunkhole" (ie stop at every port), or do long
passages offshore?

I've been sailing Georgia Strait for over 30 years, mostly
singlehanded, on boats 22, 25, and 36 ft, but rarely "offshore".

Here's one I'm considering:
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...id=1900&url =

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org

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On Feb 21, 6:25 pm, "Bob" wrote:

Thank you for that post Jack. Maybe if that guy hears enough posts
like yours it will sink in to his head that life above N 45 line is
not the same as California Del Fun. Once he gets the boat up here Im
sure it will be a lot of fun running over the bar on a nice day. Its
kinda cool in the bottom of a trough looking up and seeing the crest
above your mast............. :)

First, don't insult my intelligence. As I've posted several times, I
WILL be trucking any boat I find in CA - I wanted some opinions on the
trek and I have received them and made a decision.

As for "life above N45" - I've never sailed in CA but I'm at N49 and
have sailed to N52 or so. I've been on WCVI. I know people who do
fishing charters off Uclulet in 26ft powerboats. I'm not an idoit.

And I'll take your 12-second, mast-high crests against the 5-sec 12-
footers you get when the 9-knot flood out Porlier hits the NW swells:
The first one picks your boat up (it's unnerving to see the KEEL of
the boat next to you...), then your boat drops into the trough - just
in time for the next wave to break over the buried bow. And of course
the resulting 12-foot freefall has dislodged everything not REALLY
nailed down, including your teeth.

Been there in a 22-ft McGreggor before I knew better.

Prudent.............and alive Bob

You must be scared sh*tless driving down a 2-lane highway (in your
Hummer, I presume). You must have seen what happens when two vehicles
collide at closing speeds over 100mph?

druid - prudent, but not prude.

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On Feb 21, 10:51 pm, "Harbin Osteen" wrote:
Can't you find a boat in Seattle?


Not yet. As I said, right now I'm looking at options. I'm hoping to
find one here in Vanc. so I don't have to "import" it (NAFTA - what a
joke!). Originally the Plan was to get Far Cove sold and get another
boat before summer (specifically before the First Annual BC Boatnet
Rendezvous in June 2/3!). But now I'm thinking more waiting until fall
so I can scoop up one that the owner doesn't want to store over the
winter.

There IS one in Napa, CA that looks nice, though, and the price is
right (even including trucking costs).

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org

ps:
One more Comment: I once looked at taking my 18-ft powerboat from Port
Hardy to Ocean Falls (around Cape Caution) and was warned of 30-ft
waves and 50knot winds. When we finally made the trip in Far Cove, the
worst waves we encountered were in the First Narrows (wakes from the
commercial vessels). So I take some of the Doom-and-gloom with a grain
of salt.

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druid wrote:
On Feb 21, 10:51 pm, "Harbin Osteen" wrote:
Can't you find a boat in Seattle?


Not yet. As I said, right now I'm looking at options. I'm hoping to
find one here in Vanc. so I don't have to "import" it (NAFTA - what a
joke!). Originally the Plan was to get Far Cove sold and get another
boat before summer (specifically before the First Annual BC Boatnet
Rendezvous in June 2/3!). But now I'm thinking more waiting until fall
so I can scoop up one that the owner doesn't want to store over the
winter.

There IS one in Napa, CA that looks nice, though, and the price is
right (even including trucking costs).

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org

ps:
One more Comment: I once looked at taking my 18-ft powerboat from Port
Hardy to Ocean Falls (around Cape Caution) and was warned of 30-ft
waves and 50knot winds. When we finally made the trip in Far Cove, the
worst waves we encountered were in the First Narrows (wakes from the
commercial vessels). So I take some of the Doom-and-gloom with a grain
of salt.

So what's wrong with Far Cove that makes you want to sell it?

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On Feb 22, 10:05 am, "druid" wrote:

First, don't insult my intelligence.

I appologize. I did not know you were so capable. Good luck and have
fun with your new boat.

Bob

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On Feb 22, 10:05 am, "druid" wrote:

First, don't insult my intelligence.
I'm not an idoit.

druid - prudent, but not prude.


Dear druid:
I appologize. I did not realize you were so capable and sailed such
trecherous waters. Good luck with your new boat.
Bob

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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:11:02 -0500, Charlie Morgan wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:33:42 -0500, krj wrote:

So what's wrong with Far Cove that makes you want to sell it?

Far Cove is a pretty nice example of a Catalina 36. It's been well cared for and
updated. What's your problem? Druid has already answered your question in depth
earlier. The boat no longer suits his needs, and he is downsizing.

CWM

Thanks for the support, Charlie! But in fairness, he may not have seen my
earlier posts.

Yes, the decision is a financial one: I'm feeling I could have just as
much fun in a 28-footer as in a 36 that was originally bought mainly as
a liveaboard. As for "well cared for"... This weekend is dedicated to
removing the last of 20yrs of "stuff", and replacing the old, smelly,
dirty cabin sole with $200/sheet teak-and-holly plywood. And if the
weather cooperates: cleaning, sanding and Cetol-ing the outside teak for
the first time in about 10 years...

But the ENGINE sure is shiny! ;)

druid