What type of sail rig is this?
 

I'm a big fan of Cat-Ketch type of sail rigs, but in a artical I read
about the Mari-Cha IV, it is a type of sloop, but both mast are
the same. What is this type of rig called?

Mari-Cha IV:
http://www.mari-cha4.com/pub/frameset.php

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"Harbin Osteen" wrote in
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What is this type of rig called?


Cutter Cat Ketch?

or just call it......Expensive...(c;

Larry
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What type of sail rig is this?
 

Harbin Osteen wrote:
I'm a big fan of Cat-Ketch type of sail rigs, but in a artical I read
about the Mari-Cha IV, it is a type of sloop, but both mast are
the same. What is this type of rig called?

Mari-Cha IV:
http://www.mari-cha4.com/pub/frameset.php

Fits into no defined category. If I had to fit it, I'd call it a
schooner. I sure won't defend that label, though.

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"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. ..
Harbin Osteen wrote:
I'm a big fan of Cat-Ketch type of sail rigs, but in a artical I read
about the Mari-Cha IV, it is a type of sloop, but both mast are
the same. What is this type of rig called?

Mari-Cha IV:
http://www.mari-cha4.com/pub/frameset.php

Fits into no defined category. If I had to fit it, I'd call it a schooner.
I sure won't defend that label, though.

I'd say either schooner or ketch, since when both masts are the same height
it's hard to find any definitive definition, as Paul says. Considering that
it carries modern sails with a modern hull form, "Ketch" probably fits
better than "Schooner."

What type of sail rig is this?
 

On Feb 18, 5:59 am, "Harbin Osteen" wrote:
...t in a artical I read
about the Mari-Cha IV, it is a type of sloop, but both mast are
the same. What is this type of rig called?
....

Greg Elliot who designed it called it a schooner in a "Seahorse"
article. It certainly fits the classic definition of a schooner.
Where did you read that it was a sloop? Whatever else it may be, it
is no sloop! However, there may be some confusion because they keep
separate crews for each mast and work them independently. They may
have said that running the boat was like running two sloops rather
than one schooner... But, Mari-Cha IV is a schooner.

-- Tom.

What type of sail rig is this?
 

I'm a big fan of Cat-Ketch type of sail rigs, but in a artical I read
about the Mari-Cha IV, it is a type of sloop, but both mast are
the same. What is this type of rig called?

Mari-Cha IV:
http://www.mari-cha4.com/pub/frameset.php


It's a cutter rigged schooner.

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In "KLC Lewis" writes:


"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
...
Harbin Osteen wrote:
I'm a big fan of Cat-Ketch type of sail rigs, but in a artical I read
about the Mari-Cha IV, it is a type of sloop, but both mast are
the same. What is this type of rig called?

Mari-Cha IV:
http://www.mari-cha4.com/pub/frameset.php

Fits into no defined category. If I had to fit it, I'd call it a schooner.
I sure won't defend that label, though.

I'd say either schooner or ketch, since when both masts are the same height
it's hard to find any definitive definition, as Paul says. Considering that
it carries modern sails with a modern hull form, "Ketch" probably fits
better than "Schooner."

The schooner has two or more masts with he rear mast higher or as high
than the previous ones. Ketch has a mainmast in front and a shorter
mizzen.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

What type of sail rig is this?
 

I would say that it is simply a schooner. A schooner has 2 or more
masts and the aft mast(s) is (are shorter or the same size as the
forrward mast. Since it appears to have only one headsail, it would
not be cutter rigged.

Peter
s/v Now or Never!

What type of sail rig is this?
 

In . com "Peter" writes:

I would say that it is simply a schooner. A schooner has 2 or more
masts and the aft mast(s) is (are shorter or the same size as the
forrward mast. Since it appears to have only one headsail, it would
not be cutter rigged.

Peter
s/v Now or Never!

Are you sure, you do not mean "are longer or the same size"?

- Lauri Tarkkonen

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"Peter" wrote in message
ups.com...
I would say that it is simply a schooner. A schooner has 2 or more
masts and the aft mast(s) is (are shorter or the same size as the
forrward mast. Since it appears to have only one headsail, it would
not be cutter rigged.

Peter
s/v Now or Never!


Peter, actually you described a ketch. A schooner is t'other way 'round. ;-)

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KLC Lewis wrote:
"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. ..
Harbin Osteen wrote:
I'm a big fan of Cat-Ketch type of sail rigs, but in a artical I read
about the Mari-Cha IV, it is a type of sloop, but both mast are
the same. What is this type of rig called?

Mari-Cha IV:
http://www.mari-cha4.com/pub/frameset.php

Fits into no defined category. If I had to fit it, I'd call it a schooner.
I sure won't defend that label, though.

I'd say either schooner or ketch, since when both masts are the same height
it's hard to find any definitive definition, as Paul says. Considering that
it carries modern sails with a modern hull form, "Ketch" probably fits
better than "Schooner."


I once got a bit of a lecture from some old salt who said that a
schooner's masts can be the same height. We can also argue that a
ketch's mizzen is always shorter than the main.

http://www.answers.com/topic/schooner

This definition backs up that old salt.

-paul

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"Peter" wrote in message
ups.com...
I would say that it is simply a schooner. A schooner has 2 or more
masts and the aft mast(s) is (are shorter or the same size as the
forrward mast. Since it appears to have only one headsail, it would
not be cutter rigged.

Peter
s/v Now or Never!


Peter, actually you described a ketch. A schooner is t'other way 'round.
;-)

That's right. the traditional schooners around here have a shorter
'foremast' and a taller 'main mast'.
see.. http://museum.gov.ns.ca/bluenose/sail-plan.html

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Yes, I did mean schooner, but I have never seen one with equal sized mast, and
was wondering if there was a proper name for this particular setup.

Harbin

wrote in message oups.com...
On Feb 18, 5:59 am, "Harbin Osteen" wrote:
...t in a artical I read
about the Mari-Cha IV, it is a type of sloop, but both mast are
the same. What is this type of rig called?
...

Greg Elliot who designed it called it a schooner in a "Seahorse"
article. It certainly fits the classic definition of a schooner.
Where did you read that it was a sloop? Whatever else it may be, it
is no sloop! However, there may be some confusion because they keep
separate crews for each mast and work them independently. They may
have said that running the boat was like running two sloops rather
than one schooner... But, Mari-Cha IV is a schooner.

-- Tom.

What type of sail rig is this?
 

On Feb 18, 5:12 pm, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
"Peter" wrote in message

ups.com...

I would say that it is simply a schooner. A schooner has 2 or more
masts and the aft mast(s) is (are shorter or the same size as the
forrward mast. Since it appears to have only one headsail, it would
not be cutter rigged.

Peter
s/v Now or Never!

Peter, actually you described a ketch. A schooner is t'other way 'round. ;-)

Right! Was I looking in a mirror?!

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On Feb 18, 5:30 pm, Paul Cassel
wrote:
KLC Lewis wrote:
"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
...
Harbin Osteen wrote:
I'm a big fan of Cat-Ketch type of sail rigs, but in a artical I read
about the Mari-Cha IV, it is a type of sloop, but both mast are
the same. What is this type of rig called?

Mari-Cha IV:
http://www.mari-cha4.com/pub/frameset.php

Fits into no defined category. If I had to fit it, I'd call it a schooner.
I sure won't defend that label, though.

I'd say either schooner or ketch, since when both masts are the same height
it's hard to find any definitive definition, as Paul says. Considering that
it carries modern sails with a modern hull form, "Ketch" probably fits
better than "Schooner."

I once got a bit of a lecture from some old salt who said that a
schooner's masts can be the same height. We can also argue that a
ketch's mizzen is always shorter than the main.

http://www.answers.com/topic/schooner

This definition backs up that old salt.

-paul- Hide quoted text -

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Also right

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On Feb 18, 7:59 am, "Harbin Osteen" wrote:
I'm a big fan of Cat-Ketch type of sail rigs, but in a artical I read
about the Mari-Cha IV, it is a type of sloop, but both mast are
the same. What is this type of rig called?


Hermaphrodite.

While this term originaly describe a diffrent rig type, I belive the
reason for using this trem may fit here.

Bob

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"Bob" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 18, 7:59 am, "Harbin Osteen" wrote:
I'm a big fan of Cat-Ketch type of sail rigs, but in a artical I read
about the Mari-Cha IV, it is a type of sloop, but both mast are
the same. What is this type of rig called?


Hermaphrodite.

While this term originaly describe a diffrent rig type, I belive the
reason for using this trem may fit here.

Bob


Oh, that's an ugly word for any boat. How about "Brigantine"?

What type of sail rig is this?
 

On Feb 19, 10:18 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Feb 18, 7:59 am, "Harbin Osteen" wrote:
I'm a big fan of Cat-Ketch type of sail rigs, but in a artical I read
about the Mari-Cha IV, it is a type of sloop, but both mast are
the same. What is this type of rig called?

Hermaphrodite.

While this term originaly describe a diffrent rig type, I belive the
reason for using this trem may fit here.

Bob

Oh, that's an ugly word for any boat. How about "Brigantine"?


Okay, Agreed. Brigantine does sorta ryme with Valentine. Guess I
should not be so anti inovation. Cat schooner does have a ring to it
too.

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On Feb 18, 9:42 pm, "Harbin Osteen" wrote:
Yes, I did mean schooner, but I have never seen one with equal sized mast, and
was wondering if there was a proper name for this particular setup.

Yes, schooner. Schooner rigs cover a lot of ground. For instance,
Herreshoff's Marco Polo, was a very popular schooner design in the
post war period and you may still see a few around. They were
designed with three masts with the center mast taller than the fore
and aft mast. There are a bewildering array of different schooner
rigs and they may be like Justice Stewart's definition of pornography:
"you know them when you see them." Schooners must have at least two
masts and must have fore and aft sails rigged on each mast, other than
that, well...

-- Tom.

What type of sail rig is this?
 

wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 18, 9:42 pm, "Harbin Osteen" wrote:
Yes, I did mean schooner, but I have never seen one with equal sized
mast, and
was wondering if there was a proper name for this particular setup.

Yes, schooner. Schooner rigs cover a lot of ground. For instance,
Herreshoff's Marco Polo, was a very popular schooner design in the
post war period and you may still see a few around. They were
designed with three masts with the center mast taller than the fore
and aft mast. There are a bewildering array of different schooner
rigs and they may be like Justice Stewart's definition of pornography:
"you know them when you see them." Schooners must have at least two
masts and must have fore and aft sails rigged on each mast, other than
that, well...

-- Tom.


Oh, sure -- but can this boat carry a Fisherman and a Gollywobbler? (ha!
Gotta love those schooner sail names!)

What type of sail rig is this?
 

On Feb 19, 10:55 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...





On Feb 18, 9:42 pm, "Harbin Osteen" wrote:
Yes, I did mean schooner, but I have never seen one with equal sized
mast, and
was wondering if there was a proper name for this particular setup.

Yes, schooner. Schooner rigs cover a lot of ground. For instance,
Herreshoff's Marco Polo, was a very popular schooner design in the
post war period and you may still see a few around. They were
designed with three masts with the center mast taller than the fore
and aft mast. There are a bewildering array of different schooner
rigs and they may be like Justice Stewart's definition of pornography:
"you know them when you see them." Schooners must have at least two
masts and must have fore and aft sails rigged on each mast, other than
that, well...

-- Tom.

Oh, sure -- but can this boat carry a Fisherman and a Gollywobbler? (ha!
Gotta love those schooner sail names!)- Hide quoted text -

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Ahh, But for a good time I always go for a "spanker"
Bad Boy Bob

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On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:18:04 -0500, Larry wrote:

Cutter Cat Ketch?

It's not a cat ketch because it has a headsail (jib). Two or more
masts of equal height, one with the foremast shorter make it a
schooner unless it has square yards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schooner

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"Bob" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 19, 10:18 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Feb 18, 7:59 am, "Harbin Osteen" wrote:
I'm a big fan of Cat-Ketch type of sail rigs, but in a artical I read
about the Mari-Cha IV, it is a type of sloop, but both mast are
the same. What is this type of rig called?

Hermaphrodite.

While this term originaly describe a diffrent rig type, I belive the
reason for using this trem may fit here.

Bob

Oh, that's an ugly word for any boat. How about "Brigantine"?


Okay, Agreed. Brigantine does sorta ryme with Valentine. Guess I
should not be so anti inovation. Cat schooner does have a ring to it
too.

But it is not square rigged.

Leanne

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On Feb 20, 5:55 am, "Leanne" wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message

Hermaphrodite.

While this term originaly describe a diffrent rig type, I belive the
reason for using this trem may fit here.

But it is not square rigged.

Leanne-

Wow ! you know your historical rigs...... good on mate. Agreed not a
square rig but............................

While this term originaly describe a diffrent rig type, I belive the
reason for using this trem may fit here.

And in more informal setings i have also hearn ther term "*******"
rig. But I think thats a term that never made it into print.

Bob

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"Lauri Tarkkonen" wrote in message
...
The schooner has two or more masts with he rear mast higher or as high
than the previous ones. Ketch has a mainmast in front and a shorter
mizzen.

- Lauri Tarkkonen


All well and good, but what of the Freedom "Cat Ketch," which has two masts
of the same size?

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On Feb 22, 10:11 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:

"Lauri Tarkkonen" wrote in message
The schooner has two or more masts with he rear mast higher or as high
than the previous ones. Ketch has a mainmast in front and a shorter
mizzen.

All well and good, but what of the Freedom "Cat Ketch," which has two masts
of the same size?

I've kept out of this discussion so far but let me add here that the
East Coast racer "Frog Kiss," a Freedom 44 cat ketch, added a jib to
the front of his boat making it... well, I dunno, kinda like what's
being discussed here. Personally, I call this little blade of a sail a
"jiblet" and still call the boat a cat ketch. But that's just me.

The Freedom 39 is generally called a cat schooner cuz the foremast is
shorter than the aft mast; but the ones with the masts the same size
are called cat ketches.

My $.02,

Frank

What type of sail rig is this?
 

... a Freedom 44 cat ketch, added a jib to
the front of his boat making it...

From my not too reliable memory I think the Freedom 44 was a cat ketch
because the area of the forward sail was greater than the area of the
after sail. So I'd guess it becomes a ketch when the jib is added.
If the areas had been equal I think Hoyt would have called it a cat
schooner...

-- Tom.

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On Feb 22, 2:44 pm, " wrote:
From my not too reliable memory I think the Freedom 44 was a cat ketch

because the area of the forward sail was greater than the area of the
after sail. So I'd guess it becomes a ketch when the jib is added.
If the areas had been equal I think Hoyt would have called it a cat
schooner...

-- Tom.

Garry Hoyt called his original 40 and the 44 (basic design without a
jiblet, cuz AFAIK Frog Kiss is unique in having added the jiblet) cat
ketches.

The Mull-designed 39 is usually called a cat schooner cuz the forward
mast/sail are smaller than the aft.

Frank

Frank

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Just an addendum to this thread--I just saw an article in Oct 2006
Lats and att's about a Morgan 60 equal masted schooner s/v Ariel


Peter
s/v Now or Never!

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On Feb 27, 8:20 pm, "Peter" wrote:
Just an addendum to this thread--I just saw an article in Oct 2006
Lats and att's about a Morgan 60 equal masted schooner s/v Ariel

Peter
s/v Now or Never!

I'd call it a schooner as well. There are many photos out there of 3,
4 and even 5 masted schooners, all masts the same height so one with 2
masts the same height fits the same definition. I always think of a
ketch as having a main mast and a mizzen (shorter aft) mast.

http://pacific4u.homestead.com/3_Mast_Schooner.jpg

http://www.victorychimes.com/

http://www.cruisemates.com/imgship/w...ynesia-220.jpg

this last link is a handy reference:

http://museum.gov.ns.ca/mma/AtoZ/rigs.html

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On 2007-03-03 10:31:49 -0500, "Ken Heaton, Cape Breton Island, Nova
Scotia" said:


I'd call it a schooner as well. There are many photos out there of 3,
4 and even 5 masted schooners, all masts the same height so one with 2
masts the same height fits the same definition. I always think of a
ketch as having a main mast and a mizzen (shorter aft) mast

So what exactly is a yawl rig?
Ruby
Ruby Vee

Focusing on the negative only gives it more power -- Chinese fortune cookie

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On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 19:49:15 -0500, Ruby Vee
wrote:

On 2007-03-03 10:31:49 -0500, "Ken Heaton, Cape Breton Island, Nova
Scotia" said:


I'd call it a schooner as well. There are many photos out there of 3,
4 and even 5 masted schooners, all masts the same height so one with 2
masts the same height fits the same definition. I always think of a
ketch as having a main mast and a mizzen (shorter aft) mast

So what exactly is a yawl rig?
Ruby
Ruby Vee

A yawl has a small mizzen mast too - but smaller than that of the
ketch, and placed well aft - often behind the rudder post, or on the
transom. It holds a heading well, as Chichester and Slocum found,
but self steering can do better these days.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

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When I was a wee kitten, I was told that a ketch has the mizzen ahead of the
rudder post whereas on a yawl, it is aft of the rudder post.

Leanne


"Ruby Vee" wrote in message
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On 2007-03-03 10:31:49 -0500, "Ken Heaton, Cape Breton Island, Nova
Scotia" said:


I'd call it a schooner as well. There are many photos out there of 3,
4 and even 5 masted schooners, all masts the same height so one with 2
masts the same height fits the same definition. I always think of a
ketch as having a main mast and a mizzen (shorter aft) mast

So what exactly is a yawl rig?
Ruby
Ruby Vee

Focusing on the negative only gives it more power -- Chinese fortune
cookie

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On 2007-03-03 20:03:11 -0500, Brian Whatcott said:

On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 19:49:15 -0500, Ruby Vee
wrote:

On 2007-03-03 10:31:49 -0500, "Ken Heaton, Cape Breton Island, Nova
Scotia" said:


I'd call it a schooner as well. There are many photos out there of 3,
4 and even 5 masted schooners, all masts the same height so one with 2
masts the same height fits the same definition. I always think of a
ketch as having a main mast and a mizzen (shorter aft) mast

So what exactly is a yawl rig?
Ruby
Ruby Vee

A yawl has a small mizzen mast too - but smaller than that of the
ketch, and placed well aft - often behind the rudder post, or on the
transom. It holds a heading well, as Chichester and Slocum found,
but self steering can do better these days.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Thanks, Brian
--
Ruby Vee

Focusing on the negative only gives it more power -- Chinese fortune cookie