A Call To Arms (or, getting the heck out of Dodge, revisited)
 

On Feb 17, 7:58 am, "NE Sailboat" wrote:
[And, of course, we'll also repair all the stuff on deck or above which
has been either damaged or entirely lost. All this will take a month
or two, after which we'll head out again.]
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Yo ,, Skip..... in two months it will be the beginning of hurricane season
in Florida. Well, at the least the beginning of the beginning.

How about getting your boat fixed, having it trucked to Maine, and starting
out from there. I can steer you in the direction of a few yards that will
do you right, and you can get out of Florida so that the Karma will be
better when you set forth for your second trip to paradise.

I really do like Maine - I vacationed there off the coast, near Small
Point, north of Bath, many years. However, until July or August, it
won't be close to warm enough to suit Lydia.

Worse, to prep the boat for shipping (never mind the shipping costs -
which were quoted as 1800 from Marathon to St. Pete on a backhaul -
probably a bit higher from one end of the country to the other) would
be thousands of dollars we don't have (then there's getting *us*
there, as well), and more thousands to recommission it.

Maybe for rich folks but certainly not us.

That's not to say we might not do the east coast, and wind up that far
north, by that time. Lydia's a lot more amenable to an East Coast
shake*down*, now, having been shaken *up* lately, and our real
departure time would be about right for the weather which suits her,
which is 70-85 or so. We're guessing at a couple of months, max.

But, things are changing so fast WRT our realities that we really
can't plan much beyond getting to St. Pete to attend to the few things
we have left (make the radar reliable, do another epoxy barrier coat
on all the new stuff, and then new bottom job on the stuff which got
bare, as much of the tabbing on the interior as we can get to, raise
the waterline by covering the boot stripe when we do the bottom job,
make the exhaust come out the side next to the engine room rather than
under water at the stern, send the prop off for service [slightly bent
one ear, no gouges] repair our sails [main and genny currently off,
stowed for transit; we'll use the staysail for steadying as we motor],
replace the stuff torn off in the wind, and in the meantime, look for
acceleration on our captain's courses originally scheduled for June,
so we don't have to come back for those, enjoy her
'grandchildren' (her kids' pets), and perhaps actually get to slow
down a bit.

So, it's unlikely we'll truck it anywhere, let alone from one end of
the country to the other. However, we might come sail that area...

L8R

Skip and Lydia, trucking right along

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A Call To Arms (or, getting the heck out of Dodge, revisited)
 

On Feb 17, 10:04 pm, "Skip Gundlach" wrote:
look for
acceleration on our captain's courses originally scheduled for June,
so we don't have to come back for those,

Why are you bothering with getting those?

A Call To Arms (or, getting the heck out of Dodge, revisited)
 

Skip,

Could you answer some questions that have nagged me?

1) Was Flying Pig equipped with an autopilot? If so, was it engaged the
night of the start of the Adventure (and if not, why not)?

2) What are you going to do for insurance if/when you get FP repaired?

-- Geoff

A Call To Arms (or, getting the heck out of Dodge, revisited)
 

Why are you moving the exhaust from the stern to the side? Apart from
moving the fumes closer to the cockpit, waterback up when heeled becomes
more likely. You weren't making a lot of progress motoring in bad weather
on your trip. If you ever got trapped against a lee shore by strong winds,
motor sailing might be the only thing that got you off. You could also be
fighting enough wind that you were heeled nearly to sailing angles under
bare poles (been there, done that).

If water back up through the stern exhaust line is the motivation, you are
still going to need just as high a loop, or higher, with a side exhaust.

If you want to cut more holes in the hull at this point, I would add a
second water intake on the other side so you'll have the option of powering
heeled on each side without losing cooling. This can also important for
getting ungrounded as you learned. A second strainer in the alternate line
would really set you up.

BTW take a look at this picture.

http://www.justpickone.org/skip/gall...40&sta rt=126

Note the short tail on the knot and the lack of whipping. This knot is all
that keeps the jib from unrolling unless you go forward to put a tie on it
as you should when the boat is unattended. Imagine the chaos of your Genoa
going "WHUMPH" in the middle of your last adventure and having to then lower
it in the dark and stow it on deck. This knot should have a nice long tail
with a proper whipping, not burning, to provide a stiff end that will resist
pulling through. You can see that the soft end of this one is close to
being able to pop through under strain. I know the whipping may have
disappeared in excitement but it was just one tough night and you want to be
prepared for much more. Renew this knot often. These kinds of little
details often have big consequences.

--
Roger Long

A Call To Arms (or, getting the heck out of Dodge, revisited)
 

"Rick B." wrote

There is no where else in the world like Casco Bay. You need to get
there at least once in your life and then you won't want to leave.

You will if you've seen Penobscot Bay:) And then, there's Fenchemans,
Merchants Row, Pleasant Bay,.......

A Call To Arms (or, getting the heck out of Dodge, revisited)
 

Roger Long wrote:
"Rick B." wrote

There is no where else in the world like Casco Bay. You need to get
there at least once in your life and then you won't want to leave.

You will if you've seen Penobscot Bay:) And then, there's Fenchemans,
Merchants Row, Pleasant Bay,.......


Hey Roger, don't give away all the good spots - let the tourons stay
in Casco Bay.

A Call To Arms (or, getting the heck out of Dodge, revisited)
 

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...

Note the short tail on the knot and the lack of whipping. This knot is
all that keeps the jib from unrolling unless you go forward to put a tie
on it as you should when the boat is unattended. Imagine the chaos of
your Genoa going "WHUMPH" in the middle of your last adventure and having
to then lower it in the dark and stow it on deck. This knot should have a
nice long tail with a proper whipping, not burning, to provide a stiff end
that will resist pulling through. You can see that the soft end of this
one is close to being able to pop through under strain. I know the
whipping may have disappeared in excitement but it was just one tough
night and you want to be prepared for much more. Renew this knot often.
These kinds of little details often have big consequences.

--
Roger Long


Roger,

I agree completely with you about the side exhaust -- I would rather see it
exiting at the transom, but above the waterline.

Regarding the roller furler -- in every installation I've seen, with the
jib/genny completely unfurled, there are still several winds around the
furler drum, making it very unlikely that the stopper knot would ever "pull
through" even if it were to untie itself. Nevertheless, I would like to see
at least half an inch of tail on that stopper.

A Call To Arms (or, getting the heck out of Dodge, revisited)
 

"KLC Lewis" wrote

Regarding the roller furler -- in every installation I've seen, with the
jib/genny completely unfurled, there are still several winds around the
furler drum, making it very unlikely that the stopper knot would ever
"pull through" even if it were to untie itself. Nevertheless, I would like
to see at least half an inch of tail on that stopper.

That's another thing to note in the picture.

I've seem several accidental unfurls on other boats. It really makes a mess
when it happens at the dock in a strong wind.

A Call To Arms (or, getting the heck out of Dodge, revisited)
 

On Feb 18, 5:30 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
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I've seem several accidental unfurls on other boats. It really makes a mess
when it happens at the dock in a strong wind.

Me too! A sister ship of ours was lost when her jib partially
unrolled at anchor causing her drag onto a sea wall. I see lots of
roller sails destroyed by being left up at the dock. While a sun
cover on a rolled jib reduces the damage caused by the sun it doesn't
stop it. Also, as the stitching goes parts of the sail or cover may
get loose and flog. And, the sheets take damage from the sun. And,
everything gets dirty. And, and, and... Maybe these things are worse
here in the tropics where we have lots of sun and wind, but it is
better for everything if the sails get properly stowed when not in
use. It makes me sad to see sails that have been used only lightly
ruined because their owners have failed to stow them correctly.

-- Tom.

A Call To Arms (or, getting the heck out of Dodge, revisited)
 

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On Feb 18, 5:30 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
...
I've seem several accidental unfurls on other boats. It really makes a
mess
when it happens at the dock in a strong wind.

Me too! A sister ship of ours was lost when her jib partially
unrolled at anchor causing her drag onto a sea wall. I see lots of
roller sails destroyed by being left up at the dock. While a sun
cover on a rolled jib reduces the damage caused by the sun it doesn't
stop it. Also, as the stitching goes parts of the sail or cover may
get loose and flog. And, the sheets take damage from the sun. And,
everything gets dirty. And, and, and... Maybe these things are worse
here in the tropics where we have lots of sun and wind, but it is
better for everything if the sails get properly stowed when not in
use. It makes me sad to see sails that have been used only lightly
ruined because their owners have failed to stow them correctly.

-- Tom.


Am I the only roller-furler owner who locks the furler upon securing the
boat at the dock? I can't say that my furler CAN'T unfurl, but it would have
to break the locking line in order to do so.